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No Sacks, No Problem(!)

Despite not getting to Carson Palmer, the Steelers were able to limit the QBs effectiveness and force the Bengals to crawl down the field.

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Sunday's defeat of the Bengals was refreshing.  I watched this live on TV and then on NFL Network's NFL Replay.  Watching a second time, it became clear to me that the Steelers did to Cincy what NE has done to us many times - force the QB to make 8-9 passes to score, preventing big plays and allowing big hits on opposing offensive players to take a toll.  Cincy had the ball a lot, but they really were inefficient at creating scoring opportunities and they got beat as a result.

Note one thing - 0 sacks.  I watched Palmer - he threw the ball in rhythm and quickly.  He was not misfiring very often.  This is usually anethema to Steelers designs.  But the game was really never in doubt.  It just felt that way.  It felt like Palmer had the ball enough to steer the orange kittens to victory or at least make it tight.  But that is just perception.  The defensive scheme did not hinge on getting to the QB, all or nothing.  It would have been nice, but it was not deadly that Palmer was not tackled to end a single play.

I think that this is the kind of defense that will be necessary to beat New England.  Brady is the best.  You have to force him to throw a great deal in order to catch him in a mistake.  I hope the Steelers will do to the Pats what the Pats have done to them.  Beat them with this scheme that punishes the would-be receivers.  This scheme does not depend on the timing of the defensive line off the ball, which is good because the games will no doubt be played in NE, and lack of crowd noise has limited what this year's version of the pass rush can do in opposing stadiums.

Brady does take what you give him.  It is important, therefore, not to give him too much.  Yes, he will score if you can't pressure him. However, the talent his offense deploys is far superior to previous years - you must make them spend time scoring, in order to give the other players opportunities to cough the ball up and just basically limiting the scoreboard damage that can be done.  Wouldn't it be fanstastic for a fumble and a late punt return to doom the Pats for a change?

Kudos to Lebeau and to Tomlin.  I know that they wanted pressure.  A bunch of times, the rush was close to dropping Palmer.  Fantastic that its failure to do so didn't sack the black and gold.

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Palmer is pretty good at getting rid of the ball on time. So is Brady, like you mentioned.

I think holding the Bengals to 13 points when you only create one turnover is quite an accomplishment.

I'd like us to do better against the run, but I don't think Casey Hampton is 100% and we obviously missed Aaron Smith in there.

by Michael Bean on Oct 30, 2007 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

good points
Palmer did a good job of getting the ball out of his hands quickly and it did look like the Steelers employed the "bend but don't break" defense. I don't know if that would work against NE or IND but it doesn't hurt to show that you have the ability to play like that. I would like to see how Moss and Stallworth would respond to getting rocked like TJ did on back to back plays. Any one else think those two would "fold like a cheap tent?"

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by cgolden on Oct 30, 2007 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Moss would fold if hit
I haven't seen enough (or probably haven't payed attention enough) of Stallworth to know if he can take much punishment.  However, I've never seen Moss go over the middle, and I've been saying to a few guys at work that he needs to get a few good hits from a safety.  It seems like all of the highlights that I see show Moss catching jump balls over the heads of defenders that are running alongside of him.  I think if someone decided to have a CB play him in single coverage, but assign a safety to come over and hit him in the ribs, he'd be gone by the end of the game.

I do know that Belicheck has used that type of plan in the past.  I believe it was in the America's Game episode for the 1990 Giants, where they said his plan was drop all of the back 7/8 into coverage and punish the receivers every time the ball came their way. That's how they beat Bills in that Super Bowl.  Anyway, I'd like to see some teams take that approach to this years Pats.  Don't worry about playing the balls, just punish the receivers.  Getting a few big hits on Brady would be nice, as well.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 31, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Patriots require something more
Stating the obvious, Carson Palmer is not Tom Brady, and the Bengals are not the Pats. I don't think there is any ONE thing the Steelers, or any team, need to do to beat New England. A lot of good things need to happen on both sides of the ball and on special teams. To me, the most impressive and most relevant thing the Steelers did in Cincy was how the offense controlled the ball on long drives. You won't beat New England by scoring less than 27-30 points and if you can limit them to six or seven possessions (Cincy had six), then you have a chance to hold them to three or four touchdowns.

That's exactly what I think this Steelers offense can do, even with a very average o-line.That's why a balanced offense is so important. We don't have the o-line capable of pounding the run down the field. What we do have are a lot of different weapons and a quarterback who can move the chains and get the ball into the end zone (barring brain-cramp interceptions in the red zone) against any team.

Defensively you can't give Brady the same looks. He has too good an offensive line and too much time to pick you apart. You have to mix it up and, as much as possible, keep him guessing. Yes, you have to punish receivers along with everyone else, but I think you have to get Brady on the ground or be in his face, somehow, some way, enough times to end a few drives quickly.  We have enough defensive versatility to do this. The Steelers match up against New England as well as anybody, even Indianapolis, because we have enough playmakers on both sides of the ball to attack in a variety of ways. We will get a good test of offensive versatility against Baltimore but I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see us score 28 points or more. I think we'll win fairly easily by more than 10 points.

I know we have great defensive stats overall this year but that defensive no-show in Denver is still too fresh in my memory.  The D has not dominated the line of scrimmage since the Seattle game, and only once in the last four games. Even against Cincinnati, each of their three first-half possessions got into Pittsburgh territory, ending twice with red-zone field goals and once when they screwed up a second- and third-and-one from our 43-yard line. You would be lucky to hold the Patriots to 17 points in the same situation.  The defense needs to ramp up the emotion and aggression level and that should happen Monday.

The timing of this game is perfect. The defense has  shown some different looks and coped with a few key injuries, generally very well, but there is lots of room for improvement. Woodley absolutely needs to get some action soon. He is a playmaker, a guy who can make a difference physically a few times a game.  So can Anthony Smith and so can McFadden. I'm looking forward to seeing them all on the field at the same time along with Aaron Smith (I honestly don't think he will be ready Monday but he's a tough SOB so who knows) and a 100 per cent healthy Polamalu, and then we will see what this defense is really capable of.

 

by steeler lifer on Nov 1, 2007 5:06 AM EDT reply actions  

ESPN's TMQ
has said that every one of Brady's passes are designed so that the receiver is directly in front of him.  Has anyone else heard or noticed this?

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 1, 2007 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

strange theory
Haven't heard that wolfpack and seems unlikely given the number of sideline catches we have seen Moss make and the simple out patterns that Welker has caught in addition to finding soft spots in the middle of zones. The only thing I've noticed is that Faulk seems to make most of his catches over the middle right in front of Brady as a dumpoff rather than out in the flat or on screens.

by steeler lifer on Nov 1, 2007 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I thought so too
Maybe he was talking about passes to backs and TEs.  As has been said, I don't remember ever seeing Moss catch a pass except on the sideline.  

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 3, 2007 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moss definitely
has caught the majority of his passes on the sides, I have him in fantasy and have watched just about every game, and I honestly can't remember a single catch over the middle that I have seen.

I Tivo Steelers' games and watch them afterwards  sans commercials, so I have been able to watch other fantasy games on sunday ticket.  I have moss and brady, so those games I watch, and let me tell you, it sickens me to have those guys in fantasy, because I root against them, even though the winner of my league gets 5K.  I wasn't kidding about my hate for this team.  I drafted Brady just because he was the best qb available at the time, never realizing how much my angst against him would grow.  

by steelerark on Nov 2, 2007 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

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