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Should The Steelers Re-Sign Max Starks?

datruth4life posited an interesting question in the comments section of my post-game recap:

Okay, let's start a discussion on something I never thought I would ask at the beginning of this year: should the Steelers resign Max Starks?
I wondered before the Miami game whether we should go back to Max Starks? As is often the case, I didn't have all the facts in hand, as I didn't know at the time that Marvel Smith was banged up and would be missing the next two games. In that instance, I was referring to the possibility of sitting Willie Colon in favor of Starks, who despite his struggles, is more experienced than Colon, and though not great, better as well in the running game.

Starks was tendered a $1.85 million 1-year deal I believe this offseason. It's pretty hard to do things on the cheap at this position in the National Football League - see Marvel Smith's $6.6 million cap hit this year, the highest on the team. You either A) pay for proven quality B) pay big signing bonuses to top flight draft picks or C) hope you found a diamond in the rough with a guy like Wille Colon and throw him into the fire.

Guys, there's lots of potential things at play here. Is it possible that the Rooneys told the staff to give Colon the nod over Starks if it was close in camp so that they could A)immediately evaluate what they had in Colon and B)keep Starks from potentially increasing his market value this year? That may sound like a dirty tactic, but I don't think it is. Perhaps they merely thought ahead and realized that if the Colon experiment didn't work out, they could potentially have Starks back for far less than if Starks put in a complete, full season at tackle for a Steelers team that is probably given too much credit by others as dominant along the line. And if Starks had been given the nod over Colon (assuming Tomlin and his staff saw little to no difference between the two), and Colon didn't see the field much this year, where would we have been at the end of this year? Well, Starks would be gone for a bigger paycheck, Faneca would be gone, and we wouldn't have much evidence to judge Colon by.

I don't know. I'm not privy to the war-room meetings of the executives, but I'm well aware this is a business (I hate when athletes say that by the way, but fact is, it's true, especially in this league). As Jerome Bettis wrote in his book:

"Anybody who tells you money isn't a factor in personnel decisions doesn't know the NFL."

Now, it's entirely possible Colon simply beat out Starks in camp and was given the job, but I have a hard time believing that. Despite both men's limitations, I have a hard time understanding how exactly the totally unpolished Colon could beat out a somewhat-proven veteran in Starks, who helped protect Big Ben during our SB run. Both are big and strong, and lack the elite balance and footwork that the best in the game possess. There's not much difference physically, so experience has to be a factor, no? I doubt Starks got complacent either. It's not like he signed a mega-deal with gobs of cash guaranteed. He got a 1-year tender for some decent scratch, knowing full well that if his big pay-day were to come, it would be at the end of this year.

Well, Starks has been stuck on the sideline for most of the year, mainly because of the lack of injuries. Now would be a good time to add that it's entirely possible that we were content with (or perhaps even expecting) Starks to be available as our first guy off the bench in the event of an injury. Hasn't happened until just recently, and Starks has been stuck on the bench with his stock falling.

All of a sudden, an injury does appear, he performs, and like a volatile tech stock, his value has reversed course and is moving again upward. Now we're back at datruth's original question: should we re-sign Starks after this year if he's able to maintain his solid level of play for the remainder of the season? I dunno. Again, several things to consider. Do we think Colon will make the necessary strides to be better in the future? How much has sitting on the bench affected Starks' market value in the eyes of other executives around the league? Heck, the Najeh Davenport situation may even come in play, as we may be able to free up some extra dough by letting him go this offseason.

But from a strictly football standpoint, what do you guys think? Marvel Smith turns 30 next August, Sean Mahan has been a disappointment (meaning we may need to address this issue as well this offseason), Faneca is all but out the door, and we've yet to really see too much from Willie Colon. Where does that leave us? Not in great shape actually. Kendall Simmons and Sean Mahan are on the books for fairly big numbers, Chris K is doing something wrong or he would have sniffed the field more frequently than he has, and Marvel Smith is locked up though not really playing as well as he did in years past. We the fans have been talking about the play and the future of the line all year, so it's a safe bet the Rooneys have thought through multiple scenarios and contigency plans.

If my initial hunch is correct in that Starks' value has been undermined somewhat by the overall weak play of the line and him losing his job to Colon, then I'd be a strong advocate of re-signing him to a short-term deal, even if it costs us more than we might be initially comfortable paying. I'd rather see Colon moved inside, draft a center first, then a tackle, then hope Starks and Smith stay healthy and compete with our draft pick over the next several years. All of that, of course, assumes we could get Starks re-signed in the 2-4 year, $8-$14 million range. Starks may bite at a somewhat low-ball offer if for no other reason than that this isn't necessarily his cash-cow contract coming up. He's only 25, and if he were to re-sign for 3 years, he'd still have the opportunity to make huge sums when he was 28 or 29 with the cap still growing each year to higher and higher numbers.

From a strictly football stand-point, I'm on the fence. I know there are better guys out there, but I also know that elite tackles don't grow on trees, and sometimes paying for what you have, even if it's just an above average, not great commodity is a safer bet on the field and financially than constantly looking for the next best thing. One of the main reasons I've remained calm throughout the recent struggles of our line is because it's been a cohesive unit. It's very, very hard to mix and match guys on a depleted line. We've been blessed to not be afflicted by the injury bug this year. Continuity can allow for adjustments, and I didn't think it was too late to make them. There most definitely will be substantial shakeup to this line in the offseason. I think it might be smart to keep at least one of those pieces - Max Starks - around.

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tentative yes
if we can get him at a reasonable price. Right now we have an offensive line where 4 of the 5 guys should probably be playing guard. When Faneca leaves slide Simmons into his spot and move Colon inside. Or move Mahan over, I think the main reason we picked him up was to fill Faneca's spot, Center is not his natural position.

As far as the draft I think we need to go Tackle first and look at center later in the draft. I think Starks still has a place on this team but not at too steep of a price. I would also like to see him up against a good defense on a dry field a few times before i'm sold that he's all that improved from last year when he stunk it up.

by schnifin on Dec 4, 2007 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

good assesment
I do think though that we shouldn't just shirk the center position. Dermontti Dawson? Jeff Hartings? Perennial pro-bowl, HOF type players, and the 'QBs' of our offensive lines for many many years. I think we miss Hartings more than we may realize. I'd like to see us get that type of reliable, communicative force with our next center. I know it's not easy, but I don't like stop-gap solutions at that position.

by Blitzburgh on Dec 4, 2007 2:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

such a mess
I don't know how this line could be in a worse spot. Arguably the two linemen that have played the worst to this point (Mahan and Simmons) were both signed or resigned in the offseason and are locked up until after the 2011 season. Couple that with the fact that the Steelers best linemen will be gone after this season and it looks like the future is grim (no pun intended). So that leaves Colon, Smith and Chris K for the future and Max Starks in limbo. I think Starks should get more playing time but to be honest I think the better he plays, the less likely he is to resign with the Steelers.

It'll also be interesting what they decide to do with Marvel Smith (29 yrs old), whose contract runs through 2008.

"The more violent team will win tonight" - Mike Tomlin.

by cgolden on Dec 4, 2007 2:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

also
I think we should all reserve judgement on Starks until we see him against a speed rusher on a decent field. He's always been a really good run blocker but struggled in pass protection. It is possible that field conditions are the reason he's looked so good the past two weeks.
"The more violent team will win tonight" - Mike Tomlin.

by cgolden on Dec 4, 2007 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Franchise Tag?
What's the deal with the Rooney's hating the Franchise Tag so much?  Sure seems to me that franchising Faneca is the way to go. I agree with the Rooney's he wouldn't be worth the money they'd be paying him in 4-5 years but he's still a top 5 guard for the next year.  At least transition tag him and force teams to give up a draft pick to take him away.

Has anyone every seen the Rooney's reasoning behind never tagging players?

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 4, 2007 2:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

this is a fantastic question
Not sure why they don't use it. Perhaps it's just not part of their business strategy: one the one hand, everyone knows they don't overpay for free agents, on the other hand, they don't limit those free agents from entering the market.

Plus, it's pretty damn expensive to slap the franchise tag on a player. It doesn't really solve the long-term problem, and is instead just a short-term (expensive) patch-work solution. Might make sense though in the case of Faneca, who clearly has AT LEAST one more year of productive football in him. This might buy us an extra year to lay the foundation for the future. But still, we don't have that much cap flexibility this year, and with big ben still to extend, plus Hagans and Aaron Smith to consider, there's only so many dollars to go around.

by Blitzburgh on Dec 4, 2007 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

expensive?
If I understand the franchise tag correctly, it is the average of the top five salaries at the player position (OL is all lumped together). According to USA Today's 2007 salary numbers that average would be (I hope your sitting down) $13,553,916!

The total salary for the team was $106,293,914 and next year the cap is expected to be $116 million for the 08 season.

"The more violent team will win tonight" - Mike Tomlin.

by cgolden on Dec 4, 2007 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

knew there was a 5 in there somewhere
Thanks, cgolden.  Looks like we answered at the same time, but yours had much more detailed info.  That's what I was thinking the reason was.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Dec 4, 2007 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch
That's a ridoncolous amount of money. Would it be possible to use the tag as an attempt to get other teams to bid for him and then drop him before they need to pay him.

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 4, 2007 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
Didn't know all OL were lumped together...including tackles definitely raises that figure. So yeah, it just doesn't make financial sense to pay an OL that kind of money for one year. Perhaps a QB (Chargers did it to brees a few years) and perhaps to DBs (Asanta Samuels was retained at a somewhat reasonable price). It just doesn't fit with the Rooneys financial sensibilities.

by Blitzburgh on Dec 4, 2007 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cost
If I remember right, a franchise tag or transition tag requires the team to make the player in the top 5% of the players at that position.  It's been a while since I saw what the requirements are, but generally that means your player is going to be one of your top cap hits for that year.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Dec 4, 2007 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Starks Question
I think the team should try to sign Starks if they can reach a reasonable deal with him. I think you can move Colon inside and let him compete at guard with Simmons and Chris K. I also think the center position should be open next year between Mahan, Simmons and Stapleton.

Starks could be your starter at RT with the ability to play LT in a pinch. That will be valuable for a team that will spend it's no. 1 pick on its LT for the future and probably it's no. 2 pick on someone who can play LT-RT as well.
Faneca is as good as gone, the Madden endorsement not withstanding.  

As of right now, I say sign Starks. Blitzburgh, Aaron Smith is signed for the next five years. You might have meant Anthony Smith, but even he has one more year on his deal before he becomes a restricted free agent.

It looks like Verron Hayes is coming back to the Steelers. That would be a solid signing for the Steelers and a great help for Ben and the offensive line. If Davenport is out, then RB Gary Russell will have to get some carries to take some of the load off of FWP. I think he's ready. I think more is coming on the Davenport situation. Tomlin is clearly not happy about all of this and something obviously is fishy with the whole situation.

I'll be talking a little more about this later in the week. Take care, guys.  

by datruth4life on Dec 4, 2007 4:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Smith
Just overlooked the fact that we re-signed Smith. The salary cap page I was referencing didnt have it included. An. Smith will be worth re-signing I'd say, but I doubt that's going to take much financially.

by Blitzburgh on Dec 4, 2007 9:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Line Needs Stability
With Faneca most likely moving on, the Steelers can't afford too much shuffling going on up front.
Starks is unrestricted. Kemoeatu and Essex are restricted. This is just too many people to lose and the Rooneys have got to sign at least two of them in my opinion. Starks is probably the best of the three & I've never really cared for Essex so go ahead and re-sign K.

My thought is, first, Pittsburgh has got to draft a quality center. It's obvious to just about everyone that Mahan won't stay at Center next season unless he's a backup. He did play guard, too, though, didn't he? Steve Justice (Wake Forest) or John Sullivan (Notre Dame) come to my mind right off the bat. Justice will probably be taken earlier than the Steelers will draft. An advantage of grabbing Sullivan is that he's already been playing for a "pro-type' offense with Charlie Weis.

For security, I'd pick up another lineman in free agency unless Essex is still around and goes for cheap.

So, then we have Smith, Colon  & Starks at Tackle. Kemoeatu, Simmons and Mahan at Guard. Stapleton, Mahan & our new draftee fight it out for Center. And that extra player who remains unnamed.

From there, let 'em all fight it out in training camp! What do you think?

by footballbrainiac on Dec 4, 2007 10:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

mahan
Only thing I really am concerend about with your proposal is Mahan at guard. If he's too small and weak at center, how could he make it as a guard? I know he has some experience there, but I cringe when I think about running behind him if hes a guard. Maybe I'm being overly critical.

I dfeinitely think we need a legit center, though I know nothing of who's coming out this year in the draft.

by Blitzburgh on Dec 4, 2007 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Centers for the draft
Here's how New Era Scouting has the centers ranked:
  1. Adam Spieker, C, Missouri, 6'3, 305
  2. Doug Legursky, C, Marshall, 6'3, 311
  3. Kory Lichtensteiger, C, Bowling Green, 6'3, 300
  4. Tony Brinkhaus, C, Minnesota, 6'3, 295
  5. Steve Justice, C, Wake Forest, 6'4, 284
  6. Marcus Coleman, C, Wisconsin, 6'6, 302
  7. John Sullivan, C, Notre Dame, 6'4, 290
  8. Cody Wallace, C, Texas A&M, 6'4, 294
  9. Robbie Krutilla, C, Western Michigan, 6'3, 308
  10. Jeff Cavender, C, Boise State, 6'2, 287
Top Underclassmen:
  1. Antoine Caldwell, C, Alabama, 6'3, 292
  2. Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas, 6'4, 305
  3. Alex Mack, C, California, 6'5, 300
I've got Missouri, Texas A&M, Boise State and Arkansas games recorded and will be taking a look at these guys. I'm going try and get some of these out of the way before the bowls so I can try and catch some of the others.

I know it's way to early to try and fill out a mock draft but on SN's Mocking the Draft, thier first mock didn't have the first center taken until the 57th overall pick (Pitt has the 58th overall).

"The more violent team will win tonight" - Mike Tomlin.

by cgolden on Dec 5, 2007 8:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

M. Smith has disc problem
Guys, Tomlin said today that M. Smith has a disc problem in his back, that is why he hasn't been playing. That is not good news for someone who is supposed to be your LT long-term. I don't know about you, but I can't see the Rooney's paying big money to extend the contract of a 31-year old OL with back problems that could require surgery after this season.

I think that could impact the resigning of Starks as well, probably making it more of a necessity to have him around in case Smith's back doesn't hold out. The Steelers will tender Chris K. and B. McFadden with salaries where teams will have to give up a high draft pick to sign them. I imagine it will probably be a first and a 3rd for McFadden and probably a second for Chris K.

Essex will be tendered an offer, but no team will give up a third round pick to sign him. They probably would give up a 5th to sign Chris K., which is why he will receive a high tender because he coud end up being a starter.

The Patriots game will be interesting. The D is playing well, the O seems to have hit a wall. I think the Steelers will "take the field" this week. We'll see.  

by datruth4life on Dec 5, 2007 2:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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