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Bumped. Fantastic stuff from steeler lifer once again. Thanks as well to maryrose for the mega database he put together. You can get a copy of his work by emailing the address he provides in this diary.

-Blitz-

The Draft is still almost three months away but the cyber world is full of draftniks and prospect gurus. So why should we in Steeler-land be any different? With that in mind, I decided to try to get a handle on who we might end up seeing as new Steelers in late April.

This is not going to be an easy year for the Steelers to make a big splash in the Draft. They don't have a really high pick (23rd overall), nor do they have a lot of picks (six). Nor will they lessen the pressure for a good draft by signing two or three impact free agents. That's just something they don't do. On top of that, they go into the draft needing immediate help on the offensive line and rotation guys on the d-line. Those positions won't provide much help on coverage teams. They also need a kick returner.

We only have six picks, and obviously all of our needs can't be met in the draft. Everyone has their own opinion about the Steelers needs. Here is my top five list:

  1. Center: We have no upside except longshot prospect Darnell Stapleton or conversion project Simmons.
  2. Offensive Tackle (even if Starks returns): We don't have a guy who, in two years, we can say for sure will be a first-rate LOT, trusted with protecting our first-rate QB. We need to try to get that guy in this year's draft.
  3. DE: We have no backups behind Keisel and Smith except longshot prospect Ryan McBean
  4. LB: We have little depth or quality behind Harrison and Woodley, and Farrior is near the end of his career.
  5. Kick returner: We have Rossum, nuff said.
There are other needs. We have only mediocre receiving threats out of the backfield. We could use a better power runner. We need a big WR for depth and red zone efficiency. No one would sneeze at getting a top-class CB. But we only have six picks. There will be plenty of WRs, RBs and FBs who go undrafted and post-Draft efficiency with FAs is a Steeler strong suit.

As far as the Draft is concerned, obviously there are some good prospects to fill the needs. But our relatively late Draft position, and having just six picks, make it tricky. For example, at No. 23 we may miss out on the consensus top five OTs (Long, Clady, Otah, Baker, Williams). The alleged best center available (Mike Pollak) is a late second-rounder at best but he could be gone by the time we make our third pick. Let's say none of those top five OTs are available, and we pick, for example, a good DL like Kentwan Balmer or DE Philip Merling, in the hope that a good second tier OT is available in the second round. Well, OTs Gosder Cherilus, Carl Nicks and Anthony Collins might also all be gone by the time our second pick rolls around. Left Tackle is a tough position to fill, requiring a better athlete than any other line position, and yet we could easily not get a crack at anyone in the top 10 (by the time our third-round pick rolls around).

With the diversity of needs, I think the Steelers should be looking at trading down. I went through two draft projections, one with the Steelers' current six picks, another after a fictional trade with Buffalo. The purpose was to see what difference a trade might make, from the perspective of losing first-round quality and gaining draft quantity. The proposed trade, Pittsburgh's first-rounder for Buffalo picks in the top half of the 2nd, 3rd and 5th rounds, follows the NFL Draft Value chart. A deal would make sense for Buffalo, too. They have extra picks in the 3rd and 5th rounds. Their top needs are CB, WR and LB. Two first-round picks at No. 11 and No. 23 could be used to meet two of those needs with logical, ready-to-start picks; for example, LB Keith Rivers at No. 11, followed at No. 23 by either a big WR like Malcolm Kelly or James Hardy, or a CB like Antonio Rodgers-Cromartie or Antoine Cason. None of those guys are expected to be around for Buffalo's current second-round pîck. Even with the trade the Bills would also still have picks in the upper half of rounds 3-7. My feeling is that it would be a great trade for the Steelers, and a good one (potentially great) for the Bills.

I tried to be as conservative as possible for each projection. The best resource is NFL Draft Scout. There are plenty of other good sites but that one is updated regularly and has extensive position rankings and draft projections that reflect recent results, workouts, injuries, etc. My guideline was that I couldn't pick a Steeler draftee in that round if NFL Draft Scout had the player ranked higher. I would cross-reference to a number of other mock drafts and try not to be too optimistic that Player X would still be available.

The overall draft number beside the picks takes into account three forfeited draft picks. Draft positions also change in each round because teams that have the same record rotate their draft spots within that group. I used the DraftTek six-round draft as the guideline for position in each round.

In each case I have named at least two possible choices. The first choice would be preferred but the secondary choice tries to take into account earlier picks. I've seen only a handful of these players on TV so this is totally speculative, but their physical attributes, position, statistical performance and style of play combine to make them seem like good additions to the Steelers at this very preliminary point in time.

DRAFT SCENARIOS
CURRENT PICKS
Rnd (No.)     Player                                   

  1. (23) OT Jeff Otah, OT Chris Williams or OT Sam Baker
  2. (54) C Mike Pollak or DL Dre Moore
  3. (88) OLB Ezra Butler or DL Kendall Langford
  4. (149) WR-KR Kevin Robinson or RB Justin Forsett
  5. (119) DL Kellen Dykes or C Fernando Velasco
  6. (180) LB Thomas Williams, DE Chase Ortiz or LB-DE Jameel McLain
  7. No pick
NOTES:
Rnd 1: While it's possible that all five of the top OTs will be gone, it's not unreasonable to expect at least one to be around. I excluded Cherilus from this list because he seems limited to RT only and has dropped in many projections.
Rnd 2: There is a very good chance Pollak will be available, as this is much higher than most projections have him rated. But he's apparently the best center available, played well at the Senior Bowl and might be gone before the late third-round pick. Moore has plenty of detractors but this is where he is slotted and he has talent.
Rnd 3: Athletic LBs with size, speed and college experience at the position are hard to find past this round. Butler, a three-year starter at the SAM position, fits in all three areas and would contribute to special teams. Langford has size and potential. Another possibility is DE Jason Jones or C John Sullivan.
Rnd 4: Robinson had a great NCAA career on PR and KR, and adds depth to WR. Forsett  is a third-down back with good hands, quickness and moves, very little kick return experience but has the tools to be a KO return candidate at least.
Rnd 5: Crucial to pick a DL at this point if none taken so far. Dykes should be available (listed sixth-rounder). If we already have a DL but no center, then the best center available might be Velasco.
Rnd 6: Williams was a back-up at all LB positions at USC, played a lot and was named a top special teams performer. Ortiz is an undersized but nonstop, quick DE who could be converted to a two-down ILB or come off the edge, as well as help special teams. McLain is tough, aggressive and another ST contributor.

Summary: Preferred selections for each round would be OT Jeff Otah, C Mike Pollak, OLB Ezra Butler, WR-KR Kevin Robinson, DL Kellen Dykes and LB Thomas Williams. Pollak is obviously a reach but meets the biggest need and will be given every chance to contribute quickly. Butler is risky but a great athlete who should be available. Robinson might be a godsend, DL Kellen Dykes should be useful and the last round is up for grabs among ST contributors..

BUFFALO TRADE VERSION
(1st Rounder for 2nd, 3rd and 5th Rounders)
Rnd (No.)     Player

  1. (41) OT Carl Nicks or OT Anthony Collins
  2. (54) C Mike Pollak or DL Dre Moore
  3. (71) RB Matt Forte or DL Kendall Langford
  4. (88)  OLB Ezra Butler or WR Jordy Nelson
  5. (135) WR-KR Kevin Robinson or RB Justin Forsett
  6. (119) DL Kellen Dykes or C Fernando Velasco
  7. (148) SS Caleb Campbell or ILB Spencer Larsen
  8. (180) LB Thomas Williams, DE Chase Ortiz or LB-DE Jameel McLain
  9. No pick
NOTES
Rnd 2: Cherilus is unlikely to be available but another of the second-tier OTs should be at No. 41. Besides Moore, other DL candidates are Trevor Laws and Marcus Harrison.
Rnd 3: LB is a much greater need than RB but if Forte is still available, he would be hard to overlook. An all-purpose runner with strength, some quickness and good hands. He's a very good athlete, likely an upgrade on Davenport and should also contribute on special teams. The advantage of having an extra pick shows up later in the third round. Butler should still be available. If not, three guys who enter the conversation are WR Jordy Nelson, FB Owen Schmidt and FB Peyton Hillis. Nelson is 6-3, 215, good hands and deceptive speed. Schmidt or Hillis would be great additions, but if the Steelers draft Forte, then it's a overkill in an area of limited need.
Rnd 4: Robinson is projected as a fifth-rounder and, if available, should be snapped up. His return numbers (18.9 PR avg!!!!; 29.3 KO avg; four combined kick returns for TDs this year) are so ridiculously good he could get picked anytime from the third round on. If Forte is not in the fold, then you can add third-down RB Justin Forsett to the conversation, and also think about athletic G Donald Thomas.
Rnd 5: DL has to be the priority if none picked to this point. Dykes is a big strong guy and versatile. If we already have a DL but no centre, then the best center available could be Velasco. The later fifth-round choices (SS Campbell and ILB Larsen) are for special teams, depth, and could be joined in the discussion by OL Chad Rhinehart and WR Marcus Monk.
Rnd 6: Same scenario as in the previous draft projection.

SUMMARY: Preferred choices in each round would add up to: OT Carl Nicks, C Mike Pollak, RB Matt Forte, OLB Ezra Butler, WR-KR Kevin Robinson, DL Kellen Dykes, SS Caleb Campbell, LB Thomas Williams.

CONCLUSION: Overall, there seems no doubt that the trade scenario is much better than the status quo. Of course, trades are not easy to make happen but it has been done before and there's no reason to think it can't happen again. It might even be worth lowering the asking price (for example, a 6th or 7th rounder instead of a 5th rounder), just to get those extra picks in the second and third rounds.

I found it tough to upgrade the DL in either of the draft scenarios. None of the guys projected in rounds 2-5 are sure things, a reflection of how tough it is to find quality 3-4 DEs. That's what makes Aaron Smith so valuable, and why Chris Long might go No. 1 overall. For the Steelers, with a limited number of guys to choose later in the draft, it might make sense to use the first pick on a top-end DL such as Kentwan Balmer, Philip Merling, Pat Sims or Calais Campbell, then address OL and LB in rounds 2-4.

Three of the key guys in both draft scenarios are C Mike Pollak, OLB Ezra Butler and WR-KR Kevin Robinson. They each address three key needs but Pollak is probably a reach, Butler has been described as a chronic under-achiever, and Robinson was great on a super bad team in a weak conference. There's no way to know when he will drafted or if he will be successful.

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First off, I don't know how long it took you to put all of this together but regardless you did a hell of a job. I like both scenarios and agree with most of your picks. I would love for the Steelers to trade down in some form. Chicago is another team that would benefit from two first round picks and they have an extra pick in the 3rd and 5th round. I wouldn't mind seeing the Steelers trade players (Ced, Najeh, or Foote) for picks either picks either but that rarely happens so that's more a pipe dream.

Your team needs are pretty spot on and the only change I might make is moving OT over C, but thats about the same thing anyways since, like you said, there isn't a stand out Center in this year's draft. The one piece of truthful draft talk from the Steelers so far has been Tomlin admitting that they need some youth in the trenches, both on offense and defense.

On to the players:

  • Nicks is an intriguing prospect who's starting to climb the ladder and he looked good at the Senior Bowl. He'd be a nice fall back tackle in the second round if the Steelers miss out on one in the first or pull off a trade.
  • Pollack seems like the only center who stood out at the Senior Bowl and watching him battle Ellis in the one on ones was pretty interesting.
  • Kevin Robinson is an interesting selection. He could be a nice player and he already has Steeler ties. He broke former Steeler Troy Edwards' (just threw up in my mouth) record for all purpose yards per play by averaging 16.6 yards everytime he touched the ball (previous record 15.8)
  • Kendall Langford - I starting to feel like his PR rep so I won't gush anymore over him today.
  • Chase Ortiz would be a nice 6th round pick and if you've seen him play much you'll know why. He's undersized to play a 3-4 end and drafting him would throw fuel on the "Tomlin converting the defense fire," but he plays with a motor that could translate over to ILB or special team standout.
Again, great stuff as always lifer.
"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Jan 30, 2008 1:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

nicks possible first-rounder
Of all my projected picks, I think Nicks is the most likely to be already off the board. Chalk that up to being overly hopeful on my part. There are plenty of mock drafts that have ranked as low as the third round, but the kid is just too big and quick to last very long. Some of the post-Senior Bowl drafts have him being taken very early in the second round.

Anyway it's all good debate until the Combine, which will give everyone a better idea of where players are slotted. I'll go through the process again after the Combine and update the scenarios.

by steeler lifer on Jan 30, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome Job Lifer
As always your analysis is right on. Does Kevin Colbert know how to get a hold of you Draft weekend?
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Jan 30, 2008 2:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Incredible work
It'll be interesting watching to see how this all plays out for real. Who goes and who stays in terms of RFA and UFA, the draft and the 'X' factor of FA pickups after the draft. One thing is certain; it will be a considerable challenge improving this team sufficiently so that it can compete effectively next year. Thanks Lifer.

by RickVa on Jan 30, 2008 3:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nice
Yeah, this is really well done.  my only complaint and area I differ in is WR/KR...  I know rossum isn't much, but he manages to hold on to the ball most of the time and grind out some yardage on KR, PR he was disappointing but I don't mind that as much as our other areas of need.  Especially as the blocking probably has a lot to do with the poor returns... Watching the Bears a lot the thing I marvel at is that Hester typically only has to make 1-2 people miss.  The rest are blocked.  

I think our WR core is good.  Even if we cut Ced and let Willie Reid get some more reps, I really like how he moves when he's got the ball in his hands.  And maybe see how the other young guys from the practice squad like Baker perform... I really want depth at the lines and LBs first and foremost... maybe another FS to challenge A. Smith if Clark doesn't recover.

by Chicago Steeler on Jan 30, 2008 5:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re Rossum
I kind of agree with you on rossum chi steeler. I was (and am) somewhat of a Rossum defender because he did provide an upgrade, was OK on kickoffs and was probably somewhat handcuffed on PR by blocking. But he is strictly a return specialist and on that basis the position should be upgraded. I think it's worth trying to find the next Hester-Cribbs type. But I can see your point and, if the Steelers end up with just six picks, it might weigh against taking a return specialist.

As for DL, I think that is one of the weaknesses of my two draft scenarios. I have lots of secondary names in consideration but it's very difficult to find talent at the 3-4 DE position. So many college guys are undersized, you end up looking at DTs who might be agile enough to handle the edges and get some penetration.

This is considered a weak year for safeties in the draft. I went for SS Campbell from Navy because he is smart, a big hitter who might be great on special teams and push Smith and Carter for playing time. But that's a draft spot where you could consider another DL like Johnny Dingle.

by steeler lifer on Jan 30, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

campbell correction
Apologies to army grunts everywhere, Caleb Campbell plays for Army, not Navy. But at 6-2, 220 and fairly quick, he might look good serving a few years with the Steelers before he moves on to more important work serving his country. Apparently he will be free to play in the NFL immediately.

by steeler lifer on Jan 31, 2008 2:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great work
I don't want to sound like an echo, but that was a great analysis.  I also like the idea of trading down here.  There are a couple of players that stand out in my mind as who we might like that we couldn't get without trading down.  Jordy Nelson looked like a good possible second day pick for us.  Also, Justin Forsett (I'm pretty sure it was him) stood out to me in one particular play at the Senior Bowl.  On a pass play, he did a great job of picking up a blitzing linebacker and allowed the QB extra time to complete the pass.  That caught my eye.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jan 30, 2008 5:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I too stand in line with kudos
Lifer...This is a great year to trade down.  I thought last year was a great year to trade down.  Timmons was not hot last year when we picked him.  It seemed like we could easily have gotten him 8 picks later, which in the NFL draft is worth alot in terms of downtrading...

Anyhow, just think if we could trade our first-rounder for a high second and third, which is quite doable, maybe more.

I'd get two offensive lineman in the second round.  Carl Nicks/Gosder Cherilus will be there and they might be real close to who we could get 23rd.  The we use our regular pick for the guard spot, Brandon Albert/Robert Felton/Scott Pollack.

We go into round three and grab the DL such as Quentin Groves or if his level is gone, go for the tall receiver Adarious Bowman/Jordy Nelson and then grab the DL Chris Ellis/Chris Harrington.  

I'd make that receiver pick a combo returner.  With added receiver depth, you could afford to make Santonio a punt returner since he wouldn't be so critical on offense with the new receiver.  The new receiver becomes the kick returner and now you've actually bolstered three positions.

Then the fourth round I'd look for Jehuu Caulcrick or Owen Schmitt.  I don't trust Najeh, and I think Willie needs help.

After that it's best man available with an emphasis on special teams.

by maryrose on Jan 30, 2008 8:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I too stand in line with kudos
Lifer...This is a great year to trade down.  I thought last year was a great year to trade down.  Timmons was not hot last year when we picked him.  It seemed like we could easily have gotten him 8 picks later, which in the NFL draft is worth alot in terms of downtrading...

Anyhow, just think if we could trade our first-rounder for a high second and third, which is quite doable, maybe more.

I'd get two offensive lineman in the second round.  Carl Nicks/Gosder Cherilus will be there and they might be real close to who we could get 23rd.  Then we use our regular pick for the guard spot, Brandon Albert/Robert Felton/Scott Pollack.

We go into round three and grab the DL such as Quentin Groves or if his level is gone, go for the tall receiver Adarious Bowman/Jordy Nelson and then grab the DL Chris Ellis/Chris Harrington.  

I'd make that receiver pick a combo returner.  With added receiver depth, you could afford to make Santonio a punt returner since he wouldn't be so critical on offense with the new receiver.  The new receiver becomes the kick returner and now you've actually bolstered three positions.

Then the fourth round I'd look for Jehuu Caulcrick or Owen Schmitt.  I don't trust Najeh, and I think Willie needs help.

After that it's best man available with an emphasis on special teams.

Of course, I don't know what I am talking about but I love the chatter!

by maryrose on Jan 30, 2008 8:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great Draft Strategy
Blitzburgh, great thoughts all the way around. I think that the Steelers will go LT with their first pick and DL with their second. The 3rd round pick should probably be an OLB that can rush the passer.

However, I think the key to this year's draft strategy is resigning Max Starks. By doing this, you can draft a LT for the future and let him learn for a year or two before taking over. I believe the Steelers' man will either be Otah or Chris Williams from Vanderbilt. If they decide to go DL first round, I believe it will be the DT from North Carolina.

This is the OL I'd like to see for the Steelers next year from left to right: M. Smith, Chris K., Kendall Simmons, Colon, Max Starks. One important move that I think will be big for this team next year is getting Jason Capizzi on the active squad before the end of the season, meaning they will have a whole offseason to work with him to build his strength and improve his technique. I'm telling you, guys, he's going to be a player. This training camp, he'll have the opportunity to learn RT as well as his natural LT spot and be a swing lineman.  

Don't be surprised if this is the draft where Kevin Colbert will move down a couple of slots in the first round. By moving down 3 or 4 spots, they can pick up an extra 3rd and 4th round pick. If they did this, they could still possibly get their LT or even one of the two top 3-4 DEs.

I think this team is in much better shape going into the offseason this year as compared to last year. Here are the reasons:

  1. Tomlin has a year under his belt. The Steelers knew he wouldn't be ready as a rookie coach, but if they wouldn't have snatched him up when they did, somebody else would have. He's ready to put on his Big Boy coaching pads now.
  2. No changes on his staff means continuity. That translates to players already knowing the system and can just play instead of thinking. If you don't know how big this is, just check out the Redskins this year or other teams that have 2 new coordinators teaching different systems.
 3. Big Ben is back. Just protect him and give him the weapons he needs, then get out of his way. A big WR isn't important. Just another WR that can consistently make plays. That's the ticket!

 4. The D could legitimately be no. 1 next year. They were paper champs this year. Woodley and Timmons will be in the starting lineup. Add the return of a healthy Aaron Smith, Troy P. and Ryan Clark and some depth, this D could be dominant.

 5. If Max Starks is resigned (Faneca's gone), the OL should be a better unit next year because Mahan won't be starting. Also, I think the no. 1 pick at LT, Jason Capizzi, Darnell Stapleton pushing for time at center in his second year and even an improved Trai Essex looking to cash in on free agency will give this line better competition and overall depth.

Some of my biggest concerns are:

  1. if they don't resign Starks, then they are going to be forced to reach in this draft to try and fill OL holes. If Starks leaves with Faneca, that will be too many holes to fill in one offseason for a franchise that isn't going to spend a lot of money in free agency.
  2. If K. Colbert wants a better pash rush, then he needs to put better pass rushers on the field. He needs to add a pass rushing DL and another OLB (preferably 2) to this team either through the draft or through free agency that can sack the QB.
  3. DL depth has to be addressed; maybe John Mitchell can work his magic on McBean this offseason. And forget the moving around Kiesel experiment. Just put him on the field and let him go. If he isn't good enough, put someone else in his spot that is.
 4. Tomlin needs to fix this team's kickoff and punt coverage problems. I like A. Frazier, William Gay and A. Madison. However, he still needs about 4 to 5 more dogs on the kickoff coverage units.

5. Jeremy Bloom could surprise as a kick-returner next year. I don't think Willie Reid is the answer as a returner, but he could make the team as a WR because of his speed and quicks. I think there will be 3 WR positions open on this team because Cedric Wilson will not be kept as a 4th WR making $2M a year. Baker "the practice squad maker" has a chance if he shows anything in camp.    

I hadn't chimed in awhile, so I just thought I'd let you guys know that the Datruth can still set you free! Keep up the good work, B. Steelers Nation, Be blessed!
   

by datruth4life on Jan 31, 2008 4:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yay
Glad to have you back on the block datruth. You made me much more optimistic about this team's prospects next year, especially on defense. I needed that.

Gotta point the credit for the post to steeler lifer though, not me :)

by Blitzburgh on Jan 31, 2008 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

trading down
Great to see you back truth! I agree with your thoughts on defense being better next year. A healthy Aaron Smith, Clark and Troy, fulltime for Woodley, more time for Timmons, improvement by Gay (and even McFadden, who was slowed by injury) and a high-draft body for the overworked d-line would all add up to a very tough defense.

The value of trading down from No. 23 to later in the first round works out like this. If the Steelers move down from No. 23 to, say, the Giants' spot at No. 31, they could also get a late third-rounder and a late fifth-rounder according to the Draft Value Chart.  The points value system for draft trades can be found at http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/valuechart.html

by steeler lifer on Jan 31, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This trading down idea is really growing on me
If there are multiple OTs at 23, the only guy I wouldn't want to gamble with on trading down is Otah. He's a beast and has a pretty high ceiling. All others (Baker, Williams, Nicks, Cherilus) I be willing to roll the dice and trade down to the end of the first or early second.
"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Jan 31, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

trading down
It's always appealing to get more picks and this year's situation just adds an element of necessity and perhaps opportunity to do so. But the bottom line, as stated in another post, is to come out with value. The deep class at OT gives us a chance to get near equal value with a later pick, hence the trade scenario looking good. But you can outsmart yourself and end up with more guys and less talent for the positions that need help.

It's not where you pick or how often you pick, it's who you pick. Even with just six picks, the Steelers could get six valuable players and that's a great draft year for anyone.

If we don't trade down, and if all top five OTs are gone, then things could still turn out just fine. For instance: 1. DE Philip Merling or DL Kentwan Balmer; 2. OLB Erin Henderson or ILB Jerred Mayo; 3. OT John Greco or G-OT Drew Radovich; 4. C Fernando Velasco; 5. SS Caleb Campbell; 6. OLB Thomas Williams or DE Chase Ortiz. With DL on the first round, you don't need to look for anyone else later in the draft at that position. You add two big bodies for the OL to compete immediately at RT and C. You add LB depth and get three guys who should contribute to ST.  Not much sizzle in that draft because your top two picks probably won't start right away, but perhaps a lot of steak.

by steeler lifer on Jan 31, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Inside LB
I know we haven't talked about it much but the ILB corps is in need of some young blood just a bad as other areas. Timmons may very well take over for Foote this year but Farrior is in the final year of his contract and will probably be gone. Drafting an inside LB to take over for him wouldn't be a bad idea so that the guy will have a year to get acclimated to Lebeau's complex system.

I haven't been eyeing to many ILBs but have any guys stood out to you guys so far? The only guy I've seen who looks like a mid round prospect was Jonathon Goff (Vanderbilt) and he looked decent in the Shrine Game.

"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Jan 31, 2008 8:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

draft
With this crop of OT's, it would be nice to stay in the first and grab our guy, but if we're looking for immediate OL help, maybe that isn't what we should do (unless we let Starks walk, in which case, we should draft a RT starter).  If we did trade down, we could draft a good G/C (there are several OT's that may translate to NFL OG's), draft a developmental tackle like John Greco or Duane Brown in the 3rd or 4th, wait until the 3rd to draft Pressley or Langford, and fill most of the rest of our needs with some good players.  

I like Jordy Nelson and Ezra Butler; Vince Hall and Jonathon Goff are other ILB's I'd look at.  Shawn Crable wouldn't exactly fit our current needs at LB (other than depth), but he's an excellent athlete that can get after the QB and would be a steal in the 3rd.  There's a decent crop of CB's, and if the price is right, it would be nice to have someone in our secondary who can catch.  Draft Scout has Reggie Smith in the second, which would be an excellent fit, since he can play CB or S and is the top KR in the class.  The key for us in the early-middle rounds is taking good values.  We have many needs right now, so there's no reason to reach for anything other than OL, which is a fairly deep position.  

Whatever happens in the early rounds, it would be wise to spend our last few picks on special teamers in Clint Kriewaldt's mold.  We don't need any more late round DL's, OL's, or WR's that won't make the roster and can't play ST.  Nelson Coleman could develop into a two down run stuffing LB, but he'd be a great ST player for now.  Also, we could use a tough blocking TE (Brad Cottam is one possibility) that could also play ST.  

by BadMaafala on Jan 31, 2008 10:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i agree
With your late pick strategy for ST.

by Blitzburgh on Jan 31, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Inside Backers
I agree with you golden and that's why I put Spencer Larsen in the mix as a fifth round pick in one scenario. A guy who is probably on the radar in the third or fourth round is Tavares Gooden of Miami. He finished up as a middle backer after playing on the outside, good athlete and just enough size (about 6-2, 235) and the bonus of being versatile.

I have seen Goff all over the draft boards, from third round to fifth round. Another name is J Leman who could be available as late as the sixth round.

Thomas Williams of USC is under the radar because he didn't even start. But he played behind three great players, all likely high first-rounders (Rivers this year, the other two next year). He started a lot of games due to injuries, including MLB, and was named the team's most inspirational player and best special teamer. It will be interesting to see if his stock rises at the Combine when he gets compared to guys who were starters at other schools.

by steeler lifer on Jan 31, 2008 10:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tavares Gooden....
of the "Seventh Floor Crew" fame!  I was wondering if this guy would end up in the NFL, or pursue a rapping career.  If you don't know what I'm talking about just google "7th Floor Crew" and read about it.  Funniest song ever recorded.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Jan 31, 2008 11:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

it might say something about me
that soon as I saw Tavares Gooden in 'lifers' post I heard in my head "T-GOOOOD".  anyways, he looks to be a solid player....football player that is.  Kiper has us taking Chilo Rachal in the 1st and I've heard he is the best guard in the draft (did Duke Robinson stay in school?)

by TheMostViolentTeam on Jan 31, 2008 2:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lifer (and others)
Do your evaluations give any consideration to attitude or character issues that might define a 'Steelers' type of player? Or is that a consideration at the front end? I'm not talking so much about the 'good citizen' aspect as I am attitude toward the game, compatibility to team values, etc.

by RickVa on Jan 31, 2008 3:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

character issues
As a lifelong steeler fan it's only natural to have some built-in biases toward guys who seem to fit the Steeler mold. When Mike Tomlin comes out and says we need to get bigger, tougher and younger in the trenches, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking, 'Yeah, right on Mike.' It's just not the Steeler way to get pushed around on either side of the trenches. Or yeah, it would be nice to have a hammer back there in the backfield to run over people, or a physically dominating linebacker like Jack Lambert or cornerback like Mel Blount. Those are things built into the Steeler psyche.

But when you are just a fan, well on the outside of what is really going on, it's tough to evaluate the character of a player and say yea or nay on whether he would make, or is, a good Steeler. Personally I believe almost everyone playing in the NFL has the inner qualities necessary to be a good pro and team player, for just about any team. The guys with serious flaws show up pretty quickly.

For something like the draft, it's just a fun exercise based almost entirely on perceived physical tools and the position they play. I know very little about any of these guys. You will see a lot of draft analysts saying things like, ''There are red flags about Player X because of this incident or that published comment'', but I don't think there is any way for an outsider to really know what is going on with that player. On the other hand, there are some college players who lead by example and stand out as high-quality individuals and you have to give some credit for that.

Like you said with Plex, even the guys with an attitude or perhaps selfish behaviour in some respects can be valuable contributors and respected by teammates. In a locker room of 45 guys, there are going to be some extreme personalities. As long as they play hard, who cares?

by steeler lifer on Jan 31, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Holmes is a good example
He had some 'red flags' before the draft (something with a baby mama in Florida if I remember correctly) and there haven't been any further problems or questions about character/desire since.

Najeh is definitely another example.

"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Jan 31, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rachal
Yes, Duke Robinson stayed in school. As for Rachal being first-round quality, Kiper is just about alone in that assessment.  Rachal is rarely even projected as a second-rounder and I've seen him ranked as low as the fifth round. The consensus top two guards are Roy Schuening and junior Brandon Albert, both usually projected in the late second to mid-third round. One of them would seem like an obvious replacement for Faneca but to be honest I think we have bigger needs at OT and Center, especially if we don't re-sign Starks.

The Steelers might sign a veteran free agent OL in March and, if so, that would have a direct bearing on draft strategy.

by steeler lifer on Jan 31, 2008 3:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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