Pittsburgh Steelers Positional Review: The Linebackers
Next in our series on the state of the Steelers various units: the Linebackers. I think it's safe to say everyone knows our linebackers have performed exceptionally well this season, but let's take a closer look at the individuals in the unit (I just did the big five, if anyone wants to do the STers and backups go for it):
James Harrison
Having a even more monstrous season than last. The 6.5 sacks stand out, of course, but as we've mentioned before, Harrison is a feast or famine sack-getter. He destroys mediocre and below tackles, and does OK on elite tackles. By OK I mean he doesn't get any sacks, but he will still push the pocket and hold up in the running game. His short height is an asset for him with his massive strength as he easily gets under the pads of opposing blockers and holds them up. More impressive to me is the fact he is leading the team in tackles thru 5 games with 31. In coverage Harrison has also improved from last year, and really I've only counted one mistake on him, which was the Correll Buckhalter TD against Philadelphia. Harrison didn't get to the flat quick enough, and when he did he took a bad angle to the ball-carrier. Still, for how often our OLBs are against TEs and RBs, he has done exceptionally well.
James Farrior
I hate to make Farrior sound average, because he is anything but that. However, he is up to his usual tricks, being "Steady Freddie" on the defense. That isn't a slight at all, Farrior is attacking the gaps and stuffing the run just as well as he ever has, and he doesn't seem to have lost a step in coverage either. That may be a factor of the lighter training camp and practice schedule by Tomlin, or just Farrior taking great care of his body. Either way, he is still one of the best 3-4 ILBs in the league, and certainly the most unheralded/underrated.
Larry Foote
The people who say Foote is bad in coverage are just simply wrong. He has been beaten once into a deep zone (against Jax--although it may have been Clark's responsibility), but regardless, he has done very well in this area also. All of our coverage players in fact have done very well, which very much is likely a result of our more explosive pass-rush this year. Foote, like Farrior, is very steady, rarely overpursues to the ball, and is a sound tackler. He isn't great as a pass-rusher, as he lacks the pass-rush explosiveness that someone like Timmons has, but if the design is right he will usually beat an RB who steps in his way. It's when he takes on an OL that he only generates minimal push. Still, Foote is an above-average 3-4 ILB. He certainly isn't giving away his spot to Timmons, and I won't be surprised to see Foote still getting decent reps this year, and the next few years, albeit with Timmons in the starting role and Foote playing the reliever to Farrior & Timmons.
A quick note on both Foote & Farrior, as I talked about in the "How the Defense Works" series, the job of the ILBs is to first read the guards in front of them, and diagnose what play is coming and react accordingly. Both do this exceptionally well (helped by the fact Hampton/Hoke/A. Smith gobble up guards in double-teams) and it is a huge mental part of the game that often goes unnoticed. You will very rarely see Foote & Farrior out of position, away from where the play is ran to. That is a testament to their preparation.
Lawrence Timmons
Many people are disappointed he hasn't seen more playing time, and are using that as an indictment of his ability. That is flat-out wrong. This kid is a baller. In the limited time he has been on the field, I haven't seen him make a mistake. His coverage ability is excellent. His speed and burst in the pass-rush is phenomenal. The thing we have seen most of him so far, is his ability to close the gap on a ball-carrier, and Timmons does this similar to another defensive player we are fortunate to have, Troy Polamalu. When you see the RB in the flat by himself with 10 yards of free room, and next thing you know he is stopped for 1-2 yards, that is uncoachable ability. Timmons has this. Of course, these are all things we knew he could do well. So how has he done in the run game? Hard to say definitively as he hasn't been in a ton, but he has attacked the gaps and read the guards well from what I've seen so far. His speed is an asset in the run game, as he does a good job of getting thru "trash" (random bodies of blockers and defensive players in between player and the ball) and tracking down the ball-carrier. Mark my words, later in the year, or perhaps in the playoffs (a la Woodley last year) we'll unleash Timmons. We haven't had much need for his pass rush as Woodley & Harrison have been so dominant. Speaking of which...
LaMarr Woodley
My favorite Steelers linebacker this year. Let's start with the obvious: this kid can rush the passer, something fierce. He has great speed for his size. Did you know Woodley is the heaviest OLB we've had since we went to the 3-4 in the 90s? You wouldn't by the way he explodes off the snap (I could easily see him being effective as a 4-3 DE). He also has very long arms, which he uses to engage blockers early in his rush. When the blocker commits/engages back, Woodley will either bull-rush and at LEAST push the tackle back into the pocket, or, speed rush and if the tackle has set up for it, he uses an inside spin move to counter, which he's used to get a couple of his sacks already. Opposing offensive coordinators have obviously taken note of this kid, because in the past few games the double-team help is coming to his side more often than to James Harrison. There was a sequence against Jacksonville that illustrates how special he is: Woodley beat the RT to the edge, the RB came to help and succeeded in chipping Woodley enough for the RT to recover. At this point both the RT and RB were engaged with Woodley and he drove them BOTH backwards a yard or two. He didn't get a sack (Harrison did on the play), but he still closed the pocket down-despite the double team-so that Garrard couldn't escape to his side. Incredible. As amazing as his pass-rush has been, Woodley has also been lights out in pass-coverage. The INT first week was great execution and awareness of the route (thanks DeShea Townsend), and he's continued to be in the right places as the season has gone on. A pass or two have gone past him, but he has shown to be a wrap up tackler in space, so the occasions when he does allow a pass, he makes the stop right away. Lastly, in the run game Woodley has also been a beast, partly evidenced by his 3 tackles for loss. Of course playing next to Aaron Smith makes it alot easier, as Woodley is usually blocked by a TE on running plays, and this is a big mismatch in favor of the Steelers. Regardless, I haven't seen him miss any memorable tackles, and haven't seen him mauled over by any opposing blockers, so he is doing well in this area as well. He is only going to get better as he gets more experienced in the system, which is a very pleasant thought for us Steelers faithful.
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I strongly disagree about Foote. He rarley makes solo tackles, and he’s overmatched athletically so he’ll lunge at ball carriers in space and miss them. He did this against a backup RB at Cleveland, severaly times against Philly, against a full back in Jacksonville, and I seem to remember one time against Houston. For some reason, he hasn’t been challenged much in coverage, but he got torched on numerous plays in the preseason. As a pass rusher, he’s too slow to be a speed theat, but he has no bull rush or pass rush moves. The only thing he’s better than Timmons at is taking on blocks in the running game. I think he’d be a good backup but I don’t understand why he’s starting over Timmons.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 15, 2008 11:42 AM EDT 0 recs
I don't
necessarily disagree with you, although I don’t think he’s overmatched athletically; couple years ago he was considered our most athletic ILB. It is possible I missed the plays you mentioned, I’m usually drinking pretty heavily during the games. He hasn’t been challenged much in coverage, that you are right about, but when he has he’s been fine; I didn’t factor the preseason in at all, especially for veterans who care about the preseason about as much as I care about the WNBA. He isn’t a very good pass rusher, for sure nothing like Timmons. But you said it, he’s better at taking on blocks in the running game, and opposing offenses have been content to try and run against us (even though it doesn’t work) because when they try and spread us out they are vulnerable to our improved pass-rush. Make no mistake I believe Timmons is better than Foote, but I can see why Foote is still on the field alot. No need to show our Ace in the Hole when the other team is folding anyways.
by TheMostViolentTeam on
Oct 15, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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Nice breakdown. I agree with most of your points.
I think your ‘feast or famine’ take on Harrison’s productivity is justified based on last season’s numbers. I think having the explosive Woodley opposite is going to create more opportunities in the pass rush for Harrison. The same works for Woodley benefiting from Harrison’s presence. They are a mean duo teams will struggle to scheme against.
Foote is extremely under rated by most. He is a solid LB that knows and fits the scheme and mostly delivers what is asked of him. I’m not worried about style points.
That said I really like Timmons’ play and agree he will see the field more and more as the season progresses.
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by mental.apparition on Oct 15, 2008 2:20 PM EDT 0 recs
Great Post
Woodley’s success has been the best thing for me to witness thus far this season. Last year I didn’t really pay a huge amount of attention to the draft (I was reeling after the Jets traded up to steal Revis) but a little while later I decided to look into LaMarr Woodley, and when I saw his highlights I was blown away by his talent, and ever since then I have rooted him on relentlessly (right now I have a bragging rights bet that Woodley will top NYJ’s David Harris in talent and stats this year that a Jet fan so foolishly agreed to) and as I’m sure many of you have noticed, I also am really rooting on Limas Sweed this year’s second rounder, but I digress. I think all 4 of our current LBs are all at the very least capable starting players; three of the four are pro bowl if not just below pro bowl level. I too can’t wait till Timmons is added to that list, and see our LB core reek havoc, as it has done throughout history.
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by HighSchoolSteeler on Oct 15, 2008 3:36 PM EDT 0 recs
Potsy & Co. are playing out of their minds
Great analysis. I too think Farrior (aka Potsy) is not getting the press he should. He seems to be an extension of the Evil Genius himself out on the field.
3.8 is the number that jumps out at me. They are averaging 3.8 yards per PLAY allowed. That is just crazy.
I realize many more than just the LBs are involved in that number, but the D goes as the LBs go in this Defense.
Keep it up Potsy & Co.
by 703Steeler on Oct 15, 2008 4:11 PM EDT 0 recs
Good job TMVT
I particularly agree with your ‘Ace in the hole’ comment concerning Timmons. I saw a little taste of what he was capable of during the Eagles game where he rushed from the outside and brushed aside the tackle as if he wasn’t there hitting McNabb a millisecond after his release. I’ve read at least one national commentator say that he was a failure. Is he gonna be surprised.
by RickVa on Oct 15, 2008 4:17 PM EDT 0 recs
All vanilla all the time till playoffs
Talk about a defense that is playing it close to the chest. The amazing thing so far is that we’re not blitzing. Our backers particularly Harrison and Woodley are just winning individual matchups time and time again.
I think as the season goes we’re gonna have a lot of attention paid to the outside allowing Troy, Lawrence, et al to reek havoc in the middle.
The offense has it easy this year. Just don’t screw up too much and score the points you should. There isn’t an offense in the league that scares me with mr. brady down.
by Chicago Steeler on Oct 15, 2008 5:08 PM EDT 0 recs
Nice to read but disagree on Foote
No offense, but to say that Foote is an ABOVE AVERAGE 3-4 inside lb is just over the top homerism. He’s JAG (just a guy) in my opinion. For example, there are several teams that run a 3-4 defense. There aren’t many starting ilb on those teams that Foote would start over. Let’s look at the ILB at the 3-4 teams around the league -
Jets: David Harris and Eric Barton
Patriots: Tedy Bruschi and Jerod Mayo
Cowboys: Zach Thomas and Bradie James
49ers: Takeo Spikes and Patrick Willis
Browns: Andra Davis and D’quell Jackson
Dolphins: Channing Crowder and Akin Ayodele
Chargers: Stephen Cooper and Matt Wilhelm
On which teams would Foote be an upgrade? Maybe Cleveland.
He’s exposed in space and he is decent in close quarters. But that’s why he is complemented so well by Timmons, whose strengths and weaknesses are in the opposite situations.
by steeler1275 on Oct 15, 2008 5:33 PM EDT 0 recs
meh
I’d say he’s above average. He is making great tackles and is shutting down running games. He’s been competing with Farrior for most tackles every year, getting beat mostly because Farrior plays more downs.
I was worried Tomlin was holding onto a starter too long with Timmons in the wings to start but watching this season I’ll keep the it ain’t broke and don’t fix it. Timmons will be amazing someday. He’s good right now. But having a 5th linebacker that can fill any position? That’s more helpful then the slight upgrade we might get out of him in Foote’s position.
by Chicago Steeler on
Oct 15, 2008 6:09 PM EDT
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you are underrating him. I’m rarely a homer so call it what you want. We have one of the best defenses in the league. Maybe Foote suffers a bit from what Farrior does, in that they aren’t big names because they play for Pittsburgh with the likes of All-Stars like Hampton, Polamalu, etc. Regardless, you asked, Foote is an upgrade over:
Both Browns linebackers (like you said)
Eric Barton
Tedy Bruschi (yah he used to be good, but on current play Foote is better)…just cause the media has a boner for Bruschi doesn’t mean he’s actually still that effective….he gets run over in the run game, and can’t cover…he’s like an older slower version of Foote.
Toss-up with Takeo Spikes, another guy who isn’t the player he used to be, sure he was much better than Foote 3 years ago, but he’s changed alot since then (cut by 2 teams I believe)
I’d agree the Chargers guys are better, on paper. Both of the Chargers ILBs have been getting shredded in the passing game this year, and I’ve seen all their games (live in SD). That may be a factor of the rest of their D not being as good as ours so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
The Dolphins guys are better, more athletic, and stronger than Foote.
I know your response will probably say something about how Spikes & Bruschi are great players, and yes, over their careers they have been, but right now they are shadows of their former selves. I’m not one of those people who has a hard time acknowledging when an old great falls off the cliff. Those two are past that point.
Regardless, I should have been more clear, Foote is SLIGHTLY above average. Not dramatically better than average, but certainly in my eyes a slight little bit better than the average 3-4 ILB. You don’t start on one of the best defenses in the league for 4-5 years being a bum. He is limited a bit by his lack of athleticism (compared to our other LBs) but he reads routes (and run plays) very well so this helps.
by TheMostViolentTeam on
Oct 15, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
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I have to disagree on you guys disagreeing about Foote
I think he has been playing very well this season. Hes got 2 sacks and leads the team with tackle assists. I’ve been keeping an eye on him because of all the scrutiny he has gotten and he consistently fills gaps in the run game and is aware of his area for the most part.
If you are perplexed by him still starting over Timmons remember this, that reason is perhaps Foote is just overall better in run stopping (as of now). I mean, who needs another pass rusher when you have our OLBs.
In my opinion, Foote is an upgrade over the Browns, Dolphins, and Chargers ILBs.
by shleeve on Oct 15, 2008 6:10 PM EDT 0 recs
yah
the Chargers ILBs are more talented, but they (like the team in general) have played poorly this year. They don’t have half the savvy our ILBs do.
by TheMostViolentTeam on
Oct 15, 2008 6:13 PM EDT
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I disagree again, theres a shocker
The Chargers ILBs and safeties aren’t all that good. Their D-line, CBs, and OLBs (though playing poorly) are among the best in the league (I am sure you would agree there) but the rest are average at best.
There are weak spots to their D and since the aforementioned DL, CBs, and OLBs are above average that makes the rest less than.
They may be talented but like you said they don’t have the savvy or smarts that our LBs (including Foote).
Its no secret that Foote isn’t all that athletic but he certainly has way better football smarts than Cooper or Wilhelm.
by shleeve on
Oct 16, 2008 1:13 AM EDT
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100% agree
when i said more talented i meant physically more gifted. they don’t play well. and their DL is very good, however has not been playing up to par for them this year, that is why their D has really been struggling. and teams realized Cromartie isn’t that sound of a corner, he just goes for the pick every play, so he’s getting burned a ton.
by TheMostViolentTeam on
Oct 16, 2008 10:40 AM EDT
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Couple questions
First, I love these discussions. I sometimes follow the ball too much like a casual fan to really know all the dialog presented by you folks. It does seem to me that Silverback is much more consistent this year. Last year he piled up alot of his wealth in a few games, Monday night stage also, and this year he seems to be playing at a high level every game. That concerned me coming into the season and he is proving me wrong. Anyhow, to the questions.
Should Farrior be given extra credit for being the leader on defense? Isn’t he the guy wearing the helmet microphone? Does that mean a little or a lot? Could much of his value be related to cerebral decisions in addition to what he is doing physically? Or not really?
Second, if Woody is a talent in the 4-3 as well, and with the way Hokey has played, might we see a little more 4-3 with Hokey and Hamp in the middle? I certainly don’t want to fix what ain’t broke. Our defense is working just fine. I’m just wondering if throwing in a few 4-3 wrinkles when Keisel and Hamp get back might give us another dimension. I can envision Wood, Hamp, Hoke and Keisel followed by Harrison and Timmons with Farrior in the middle. Just wondering. Or should I just leave well enough alone…
Anyhow, qyuality discussion again…Thanks..
by maryrose on Oct 15, 2008 6:43 PM EDT 0 recs
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yes Farrior should be given credit for being the leader on defense. not only does he receive the play call, he gets the guys in line and in the right spots, calling out shifts if he deems it necessary. he is very smart, so that is alot of value. Foote is also a very cerebral player.
I think Woodley could be successful as a 4-3 DE, but I don’t think we’ll use him like that ever. We throw in some 4-3, and 4-2-5 looks occasionally anyways, but I haven’t ever seen us use Woodley as the DE in that scenario. Maybe he doesn’t fit how we use the 4-3 in those wrinkles. In a traditional Tampa-2 4-3 I believe Woodley could be a successful pass-rusher, like a Dwight Freeney, but he might be a bit undersized. Besides, doesn’t a 4 man line of Smith, Hamp, Hoke, and Keisel sound even better than Woodley with the other 3? That’s what we use when we play our “Jumbo” package (used so effectively against Seattle last year).
by TheMostViolentTeam on
Oct 15, 2008 7:04 PM EDT
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maybe we’ll see some of those wrinkles later in the season, if we need them. as has been mentioned a few times, our “straight” defense is crushing people anyways, so we haven’t needed to fool people with misdirection or anything.
by TheMostViolentTeam on
Oct 15, 2008 7:04 PM EDT
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Explain the Jumbo please
And yes, Smith needs to be in the game as much as possible…
by maryrose on
Oct 15, 2008 7:26 PM EDT
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Jumbo
a look we used a few times last year. basically against pass-heavy teams. 4 down linemen, 2 LBs (I believe—it may have been 1, MaFaala if you know correct me), 5 DBs (or 6). The 4 linemen were Smith, Hoke, Hampton, Keisel……giving us a MONSTROUS defensive line. Most 4-3 DLs have small ends and small tackles, with those 4 we have two big ends and two big tackles, so we can get a very good pass rush AND stop the run if they try to sneak a run in, and we have a ton of people in coverage. worked very well against Seattle who used alot of spread and West coast sets. I was clamoring for us to use it against the Pats high flying offense because I think that would have worked very well against them, but alas, we didn’t.
by TheMostViolentTeam on
Oct 16, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
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4-2-5 sounds right, although I’m sure they could sub out 1 more LB for a dime look. The advantages are it completely takes away the running game (and thus play action) from teams that like to run out of the spread. Taking away play action can help the coverage, but Keisel and Smith won’t generate as much of a pass rush as Wood and Deebo, so it’s not without it’s holes. I think it can surprise offenses that aren’t ready for it (like that Seattle game), but if we used it a lot, teams would figure out ways to beat it.
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by BadMaafala on
Oct 16, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
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Harrison’s sacks tend to come in bunches, but his tackles have been consistent over the the past year and a half. Last year, he was the only guy consistently making plays all over the field. The big sack games were what caught people’s attention, but he didn’t get the All-Pro nod and a vote for DPOY for having 8.5 sacks. He brought it every game.
I’ll give Farrior some extra credit for being the veteran leader and the guy with the helmet. He’s been the vocal leader on the team for years, even though guys like Porter got more media attention. It’s an advantage to have a smart, savvy leader on the field. Other than that, though, I’d say he’s pretty average at this point in his career. He was very good 3-4 years ago, but he’s slowed down. This year, he’s on pace for just 90 tackles and no pass breakups or INT’s. He’s an effective cog in our defense, but he used to be the guy that’s all over the field.
LA Wood would do great as a 4-3 DE, but since we have 2 outstanding pass rushers at OLB, it’s an advantage that the offense doesn’t know who we’re sending. A lot of the time we send both, but they’re also capable in coverage, so we can blitz the ILB’s or CB’s or drop everyone. I’m sure we have a lot of exotic looks and blitzes we could use, but honestly, vanilla is working so why change it? A few years ago, Porter was the only guy who could win 1 on 1 battles, so we had to get cute. Now we have 2 guys who may be better than Porter ever was (with Lightning Timmons to boot), so we don’t need to take chances. We’re almost the 3-4 equivalent of the Tampa-2.
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by BadMaafala on
Oct 16, 2008 10:00 AM EDT
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Can I get an AMEN??!!
Our LB core is just plain sick! I absoloutely love it…Foote is a good guy love his attitude and what he brings week in and week out…guy has a ton of heart and sticks his nose in whereever he can get it….Farrior is a fricking football geek with a bad attitude..I could see him evolving into a DC after he retires….and the book ends…Ahh so glad to be able to get after QBs…Manning….Romo…I can’t wait for the challenge!! Timmons is a beast..god help QB’s when he gets on the field on a permanent basis. Is Timmons in on every nickel and dime package or just select plays in those packages?
by Silverback92 on Oct 15, 2008 10:39 PM EDT 0 recs
Timmons
is in most the time in those packages.
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