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Steelers Bury Bengals Late, Improve to 5-1

Congratulations to the 5-1 Pittsburgh Steelers. Just, win! That's the name of the game in this league. Us beauty judges want perfection but it's unreasonable. Instead, we should be content with the position our defense is putting us in each week, which is to close the deal late in football games with just enough timely offense. We've now done it three straight weeks after one of the more humilating losses in franchise history at Philadelphia. Since then? A win over a pesky Ravens team. And road Ws at Jacksonville and at Cincy. Fine, don't write home about Cincy, but you can't complain about not handling business against dumpy teams on the road (see NYJ game last year) if you aren't going to be pleased when we do in fact win on the road against the league's lesser teams. In my mind at least, these types of games are 'winnable' not because it should be expected that we'd march up and down the field at will against them. But rather, because they are games where we can still emerge victorious even with a bad quarter or two thrown in there, so long as the other quarters are great.

* On the Steelers opening offensive series of the afternoon, they embarked on a 9 play, 5:04 second drive that was capped by a 2 yard pass to Mewelde Moore. It was MM's first touchdown as a Steeler, and I suppose he enjoyed it so much he thought he'd do it twice more later in the afternoon. We'll get to that later, but back to that opening series for a minute.

Clearly Bruce Arians early script revolved around the short passing. The quick-hitting stuff that we seem to now be incorporating with regularity. Did you ever think you'd see the day? I know, me neither. But you have to give credit where credit is due. Things are not yet perfect, but Mr. Arians certainly has done a fine job figuring out ways to get the ball out of Ben's hands quicker. Let's look at the plays:

1) B.Roethlisberger FUMBLES (Aborted) at PIT 22, and recovers at PIT 24. 

2) B.Roethlisberger pass short left to H.Miller pushed ob at PIT 28 for 6 yards

3) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to H.Ward to CIN 43 for 29 yards

4) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to M.Spaeth to CIN 37 for 6 yards (C.Ndukwe). CIN-K.Rivers was injured during the play. {Rivers came off the field on his own power} - Yo, Keith. The Most Violent Team Wins.

5) N.Washington left end to CIN 31 for 6 yards - Misdirection?!? WTF is going on.

PENALTY on PIT-C.Kemoeatu, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at CIN

6) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short middle to H.Ward.

7) M.Moore left end to CIN 34 for 2 yards

8) B.Roethlisberger pass deep left to S.Holmes to CIN 2 for 32 yards

9) B.Roethlisberger pass to M.Moore for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

First off, these are just the transcripts of the play-by-plays, but these actually provide fairly informative and accurate info about where specific plays take place on the field. Look at all those short passes to start the game, with the nice deep ball to Holmes sprinkled in. Is it just me, or have we been a very good first drive team for much of the Arians' era. Consistency goes down the drain after that, but even if I'm conjuring things in my head here, we have back-to-back weeks of nice drives early in the game. Ben got picked against Jacksonville on his first series but responded with a critical and message-sending TD drive immediately thereafter.

Several thoughts and talking points about this opening drive and the offense more generally for y'all to share your wisdom about.

1) Well, the first thing that stands out to me in this drive is the lack of running plays, quite honestly. One RB carry + an End Around on the entire series. The Nate Washington end-around was on 2nd and 4. Great call there, showing the Bengals something we haven't put on tape all year.  Not a huge deal really. Just a 6 yard gain on a play that's probably designed with more like 10-20 yards in mind. But it signified that opposing defenses, in this case, Cincinnati, would have to do a little more reacting than they might previously be accustomed to in year's past.

2) More on Moore: 

"We didn't get him to replace Willie," quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said. "We got him to be our scat guy, a guy to catch passes, and that's what he's been doing. And he's been doing a great job of running the ball. When we got him, I was excited because I knew what he could do. He's just kind of showing everybody what I've already known."

Ah, when a QB goes down to injury and his replacement strings together a winning streak, the replacement usually will stay in there. It's why Todd Collins started a playoff game for the Washington Redskins last year. And it's why it's the Kerry Collins show in Tennessse for the rest of 2008, barring injury. But when you're talking RBs, it's a different story. Willie Parker will immediately resume his duties as the primary ball carrier probably as early as next week when we host the New York Giants. So what about Moore? Well, he's a team first, non-ego type of guy, so don't expect to hear him say anything other than 'I am glad I helped our team win games in his absence'. But surely he's proven that we really need him contributing to our offense this year. It's not because he's a better football player than Willie Parker. It's apples and oranges. And because of all the other dynamics of our roster, it just so happens that Moore's abilities are in high demand.

Two things about Moore's game that has been so impressive.

1) Obviously the threat he poses as a pass catcher is money. He's got great soft hands that Ben can confidently sling it to under duress. You know those types of RBs that have the type of hands that often times leads to bobbled catch attempts and subsequent interceptions? Yeah, that's not Mewelde. He's smooth as silk yet he gets an iron grip on that ball with his hands away from his body than snares it in and really focuses on not fumbling. It's actually very visible how concientious an effort Moore makes to protect the ball as he's battling for YAC.

2) I've been shocked by his inside the tackles running.  I would like to look at this more carefull throughout the week, but is it just me, or has Moore been pretty darn good picking up 4-5 yards in between the tackles, even when there's not that much there. I personally think the holes have been bigger, particuarly up the gut, than when Parker was healthy this year and last, but Moore I believe still merits applause for his toughness and ability to find small creases to slither into for optimal yardage in congestion.

 More thoughts on the game after the fold.

Star-divide

A few things to start the week off with, followed by some more Bengals coverage early this week before looking ahead to our big primetime showdown with the New York Giants.

* My oh my.  Since the Philly game, I think the narrative around here, at least coming from me, has shifted from one of negativity about the offense to one of complete giddyness about the team's defense. It's funny, when the Bengals drove the length of the field to end the 1st half only down 10-7, the near perfect game the D had been pitching up till that point was all but forgotten.

To be a Steelers fan. Something's broken. Right? Yes, true. But in the NFL in 2008, it's not helpful to know whether a team is flawed in one way or another. No, that's useless because every team is, including the lone unbeaten Tennessee Titans. A better question is 'what do you do really well?' And is that special attribute impactful enough on football games to really make a difference. There's some team out there with the best on-sides kicker in the league. He doesn't really matter much in the grand scheme of things. In 2007, the Patriots offense was so good, it masked any other trace of a blemish on the roster. This year, there's no real stand-out offenses. New Orleans is just too up and down based on where they're playing to be taken seriously, at least under Sean Payton. The once might Colts offensive machine has been rendered fairly lifeless for much of the year, save for huge spurts of productivity in urgent situations, as well as one complete game last week. 

So what about defense? Well, there's two teams that have the league's truly elite defenses, at least in my opinion: the Tennessee Titans and the Pittsburgh Steelers. I won't get into the stats at this point, but I will mention that the Titans have essentially hit the PowerBall Jackpot when it comes to injurys. Other than of course Vince Young, none. Zilch. If you're a Titans fan, please spare me the mentioning of Bo Scaife or some other guy who maybe sees 7 snaps a week. Bottom line is this team hasn't even had anyone to deactivate each week! It's just unheard of. And it might not last. Meanwhile, the Steelers have dealt with the absences of Brett Keisel, Casey Hampton, DeShea Townsend. Legit contributors, if not multiple appearance Pro Bowlers in the case of Hampton. I have not done my homework on McFadden or Polamalu yet, so I won't comment about their potential availability next week after getting injured during the Bengals game. Anyway, this team has survived big losses already and is stil near the top of the pack. If we get a little lucky and keep a bunch of bodies come Dec-Feb, we may be viewed as the Titans are right now: as unequivocally the best defense in the NFL in 2008. If we're not #1, we're #1(a) or #2.

In other words, I think we play defense well enough..in fact, so well, and so much better than our competitors, that we should be considered one of the handful of teams that has a viable shot to win a Super Bowl this year.

Jumping around here.

* Congratulations to rookie Limas Sweed for his first professional catch! May there be many more in the Black and Gold.

* There likely will be many more for Sweed, if for no other reason than that he's learning from some pretty fine mentors. Hines Ward had a great afternoon and is quietly having a really nice season for a guy who had missed time the past two years. He's going to flirt with double digit TDs at this pace. Santonio! Finally. The stud WR out of Ohio State gets to feast on a team he feels all too comfortable carving up, chewing, and spitting out. I think Holmes will continue to get more looks in our re-tooled offense, where he no longer will need fantastic protection just to get down the field on the route he was assigned. And what about Nate Washington? I'll admit I was fairly indifferent about this player two years ago. Boy has he grown up. I dont like practice players in this league and I thought Nate might be one of them for awhile. He's not. He's been making plays for a couple of years now, and he's doing it with much greater consistency and far fewer mistakes thrown in this year than he was in 2006 and 2007. Congratulations to that hard working Steeler. Btw, how beautiful was that pass from Ben? If we REALLY truly show a commitment to the quick-hitting stuff, as well as find a way to mix in a few more unexpected runs that are successful, Ben should have his opportunities to wind up and deliver perfectly delivered deep bombs.

* When I saw Chad Johnson start to do his thing in the second quarter - making tough catches then standing up to our DBs who were relentlessly hitting him after the catch - I felt much better about our chances to come out and play better in the second half after a VERY disappointing second quarter. Why, you might ask? Well, I don't want to get too off track but it's occurred to me more and more lately that, in this league, psychological intangibles mean a ton, at least compared to college athletics, MLB (Congrats Rays fans, but spare me this comparison. The D rays aren't just scrappy. They're really really good players), or even the NBA at times. At the college level, it don't mean a damn if you're in the proper frame of mind to compete  or if you have a new coaching staff that has sold you on the fact that there's a fresh start  ahead of the team to rewrite any chapter it wanted.  If you play for Sam Houston State and you're going up against Ohio State. You're too small and you're too slow,...period. 

In the pros however, where talent is dispersed relatively equally and each team has a fixed amount of money they can spend on salaries, the gradiations between the 'haves' and the 'have-nots' are extremely small.  The most important reason I think for this reality is that, at the individual level, everyone can play.  Properly motivate any group of these world-class athletes and anything can happen. Now, granted, Brad Johnson, Tony Romo's replacement in Dallas for the time being, has NO business starting games in this league, but who were those St. Louis Rams we've seen the past two weeks? The previously 0-4 Rams just beat two NFC East heavyweights? How in the hell did they do that? Throw in new coach Jim Haslett - a coach that had experience lifting up beaten down teams, as evidenced by his near run to the playoffs with the New Orleans Saints in 2005, the year of Hurricane Katrina - and all of a sudden the Rams are playing with suffocating amnesia. They have no idea they're very mediocre, really. And because the NFL is systemically structured to keep the talent disparity very narrow across the league, it's foolish to matter of factly categorize any one team in this league monolithically. No, the Rams do not suck. At least not all the time. And no, the Colts, Chargers, Cowboys, Steelers, etc should not always expected to play what us fans might call an 'elite' level of football.

Blah blah blah I go. Back to Johnson. Say what you want about him. He's a competitor. He's out there battling for his team. Laying out for overthrown deep balls. Absorbing viscious hits from Bryant McFadden, Ike Taylor, Ryan Clark, and Troy Polamalu. And bouncing right back up after every one. As his QB got a little confidence and found some rhythm on the team's last offensive series before the half, you could see Johnson break the huddle a little more briskly.  And he found a way to share some words with some Steelers players without being a total jackass and costing his team penalty yards. Quick mental exercise: In all our jubilation about the Steelers' last two wins, I think we were all guilty of forgetting that two BONE-HEADED 15 yard penalties by our opponents served as major catalysts in our wins.

Johnson is the type of athlete that can get everybody around him focused on individual excellence. Opponents too. We get up to bang on him Housh - remember last year? Ben Roethlisberger hasn't once lost on the road in Cincinnati. Remember, this Bengals team was considered a top 3-top 6 AFC team for most of the Carson Palmer era. They haven't beaten us once in their own house since Big Ben took over the reigns at QB. It's pretty damn hard to accumulate playoff appearances and winning seasons (Marvin Lewis has very few of either) when you can't beat one of your divisional rivals...even at home. You try making the playoffs handicapped with an 0-2 start.

Johnson = making plays and engaged => Steelers respond.

5 of his 8 catches came on that TD series for Bengals at the end of the half. He had one meaningless catch in the early part of the 1st half and then just two catches in the second half. I heart Ocho Cinco for no other reason than he brings out the best in our team. No more Chad Johnson until we play them later in the year. I promise.    

* LaMarr Woodley, James Harrison and Lawrence Timmons, ladies and gentlemen! Absolute terrors out there. I'm not working with any footage here, but do you remember the second sack Timmons had, I believe in the 4th quarter? WOW. It wasn't even good technique. He just decided he was going to get to the QB and there was not much else to say about it. The OT trying to contain him picked up on that vibe, because he didn't offer much resistance to Timmons. Remember a few weeks back when Aaron Smith said that Timmons was going to eventually be the best player on the team and the best defensive player he'd ever been around? Seemed a little over-the-top at first, but Jim Wexell explores some of Aaron Smith's upbringing in his new book, Steeler Nation, and believe me, he's not one for embellishments. His words aside, we're starting to see more of it manifest itself on the field. Without analyzing any tape of him exclusively, I think I would say that he sometimes still doesn't -quite- know his gap assignments in the running game and where to attack while blitzing. But he's still tackling very soundly, his closing speed is disgusting, and you can tell that even though he's a quiet dude from all accounts, he's definitely got a nasty streak that's necessary to kick ass as a inside linebacker in this league.

Man, how dominant is James Harrison playing? Two more sacks for him today, bringing his season total to 8.5 through 6 games. His wingman on the other flank, LaMarr Woodley also notched two sacks against the Bengals, bringing his season total to 7.5 through 6 games. So, even though we have a looong way to go, we have less than 1/3 and James Harrison is officially on pace to break the single season sack record, with Woodley currently on pace to finish just a few back with 20.

How f'n incredible would it be if Harrison was around Woodley's or Timmons's age? Shame on me for not just enjoying what we have for the moment, but a part of me is eager to know what Harrison's future holds. Common sense says he'll walk, but I think in his case, things will play out differently. Presumptous from an outsider, but it doesn't seem like money or attention are objects of his desire. From what I've read about him and been told, he likely would be just fine avoiding another major transition where scores of new relationships and customs would have to be adopted. This is home now and I think he would love to run with LaMarr Woodley, Troy Polamalu,  and Lawrence Timmons for as long as he's able to.

* Max Starks alert! You know how NHL dudes won't shave during the Cup run, or how some mid 20s guys who still wish they lived in the fraternity house will wear the same t-shirts or socks that they were wearing when they hooked up with a respectable young lady while sober for the first time since....anyway. 0 Sacks today of Big Ben. A buck twenty on the ground for Moore. We can't take him out!  Honestly, I could wax poetic about what I think should happen, but the whole Starks saga has been so impossibly unpredictable and bizarre that at this point, it's best we cut our losses. Starks was good against the Bengals. He opened up a few running lanes, he pass-protected well, I saw him hustle his trimmed down self down the field to find some one to block at the next level. He was just active, eager to hit while being in control. A fine performance. We'll see if he's back to the bench next week when Marvel should return as the Steelers welcome the G-Men to Heinz next Sunday.

* I didn't have access to the sound of the Steelers game. Well, not entirely true. I could faintly hear the accouncers emanating from the small set the game was showing on. Who would have guessed that my neighborhood Seattle sports bar (Wallingford, 45th st) is a Bears bar. My God. Did you see the boxscore from that game? Check it out if you haven't, then you'll understand why I barely could hear myself think, let alone the announcers yesterday, as about 4 dozen or so Bears fans screamed in agony and jubilation what seemed like every 180 seconds.

* Raise your hand if you like seeing old-school vintage Roethlisberger lines like this:

17/28 (60.7%) 216 Yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs

Here's what I liked about the game-plan, as it relates to catering to Big Ben's particular ticks as an athlete and QB. Actually, let's here what Big liked about it::

"It wasn't easy," Roethlisberger said. "Those guys brought a lot of different blitzes. I think they blitzed us every play. That's the way we should play offense. That's us when we're really clicking."

Well, I wouldn't get too ahead of yourself Ben. You 'clicked' for moments, no doubt. But this was merely a very positive step in the right direction. Still lots of refining and experimenting to do. But I do like that this approach keeps Ben's fantastically fast-paced and often jumbled mind, engaged. He has LOTS of ownership of the offense when he's the one deciding which quick read to hone in on before the snap is made. Before, Ben was VERY involved in our offense, but for the wrong reasons. If he didn't make a would be sack seeker miss, we were screwed. That's involved, all right.

* Your Darnell Stapleton Weekly Update! Count on it. I un-intellectually tried to argue that maybe just one guy like him could make all the difference. It's more complicated than that, but it's still a nice fairy tale story line for our twistedly fanatical minds. In case you forgot: 0 sacks today! Booyeah! Wasn't sure if I'd ever heard the words again. 

Remember Mewelde Moore's second touchdown of the game? The run he broke off tackle to the left side? Well, Darnell was pulling on that play, and boy did he hustle to the edge. But it wasn't a Kendall Simmons I'm barrelling wrecklessly out of control with no real mastery of the physics of my mass. It was a purposeful and athletic yet controlled 8 yard spring to the other side of the line. And when he got outside, his responsiblity was to seal the defensive end (or maybe linebacker, you'd have to ask TheMostViolentTeam or some other meat-and-potatoes Xs and Os guru). What I liked from Darnell, and this is trivial Ron Jaworski type technique stuff that must irk his wife tremendously when it arises as conversation fodder at the dinner table, but Stapleton took the extra small steps to make sure his body got all the way squared around before he engaged the defender. It's easy for refs to pull a flag in that type of situation, when a RB finds himself with NO defenders around him on the perimeter. Must have been a hold! Well, when you take those small quick steps that some old coach we all had babbled on about, the ref has no choice but to keep the hanky in the pocket. That's all I got on Darnell from this week, as my environs were quite hectic, but so far so good from the 2nd year perserveror out of Rutgers.

* I've got more on this game, but I'll cut it off here for now.

My gameball goes to Bruce Arians, only because Moore probably already got every other pseudo gameball award from fans and journalists, and likely the actual game ball from Head Coach Mike Tomlin. There were frustrating chunks in the game, no doubt about it.  And there was some situational tactics that I was disappointed in. But, we have a short passing game! We have a 3rd down back that Ben can check down to! Ben had already matured in his decision making but now imagine what it's going to be like keeping Ben upright 20 more times per season because he has an outlet option that he feels good throwing to. So money and much of the credit goes to Bruce. He's made some big adjustments since the debacle in Philly. We've still got so far to go, but all we can ask for is improvement and the willingness to make visible changes. We've done that and the results have fortunately paid dividends.

5-1! 1st place AFC North.

Go Steelers!

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Sum up your thoughts about the W.
Still plenty of reminders that this team's bi-polar
32 votes
It's a nice W, but I didn't see what I was hoping to see in terms of offensive consistency coming out of the BYE week
74 votes
I'm with ya Blitz. A win is a win, and we're now tied for the second most in the AFC through 6 weeks. This game proved, we're going to be there till the very end, regardless of our flaws.
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Good stuff as always Blitz

Anyone else read into Parquet coming into the game for Colon late in the 4th? I know that they had some backups in the game but he was the only lineman that was replaced. I thought it was somewhat interesting but maybe it was just me.

by cgolden on Oct 20, 2008 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

They won a game they should have won but...

I’m still waiting for this offense to define itself. There doesn’t seem to be a flow or a purpose to it. A team with this much talent should be a lttle more consistent.

As for the defense, I think it’s time for Lawrence Timmons to be a full time starter. That guy is a beast!

by Steev1705 on Oct 20, 2008 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Great Write Up Blitz!

Long like War & Peace but I savored every morsel.
1) Arians had a great plan on the first drive but seemed to disappear until the 4th quarter. Was it Ben missing some throws or did the Steelers get lethargic? Don’t know. Good game by BA, he put up 38 but no game balls for beating now the 0-7 Bengals. He did what he was supposed to do.

2) Moore is a stud. He is perhaps one of the top ranking Steelers FA signings of all time. (See K Greene, Ray Seals, Farrior) Once FWP returns 21 will still garner much PT on 3rd down, in the no huddle and as change of pace. Don’t feel as bad about “is Mendenhall a player?” with MM on the roster.

3) D is playing great. The first half (other than the last series) was textbook Blitzburgh. While the D let Fitz get a rhythm going in the 2nd half they held Cincy to 10 and recorded 7 sacks. The LB’s are All World. QB’s beware.

4) What are they saving Max for? At least against Cincy he was their best tackle. Maybe they will sign him again to a 1 year 7 million dollar deal to man LT for 1 year while we get our 2009 #1 pick OT ready to play? Coach Z is just keeping Max healthy for next year…Also, how does Stapleton not start from week 1 over Simmons? Never want to see the 73 revolving door on the OL again!

5) Last years draft will go down as a superior draft. Timmons and Woodley will be All Pro LB. Spaeth contributes as 2nd TE. Sepulveda will return from injury and kick for 10 years. Gay and Baker are depth. Great job FO! Hope this years draft class looks as good next October!

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 20, 2008 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

sigh

yes, too long, but i was enjoying writing yesterday. wrote a bit, put it down. went on for hours till i realized some of our east coasters were going to be at their desk in a few minutes NOT quite ready to start their work week. Hopefully the long read postponed the inevitable for many of yall for just a few minutes more.

by Michael Bean on Oct 20, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Loved Every Word!

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 20, 2008 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lets hope the injuries pan out. Dale lolley is reporting that troy had a pretty serious concussion, and that BMac may have a broken arm. Oh, and smith will probably be out for a few games. Oh, and townsends achilles is still bothering him…Gay has looked pretty good at nickelback, but our backfield is going to look strapped if he’s the #2 and troy is out.

by steelguy99 on Oct 20, 2008 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Damn

I didn’t realize how bad the injuries were. Lolley says that Troy’s concussion was so bad that he couldn’t remember the play that it happened on and if B-Mac has a broken arm, he could be done for the season. Given Troy’s history with concussions, they might be very cautious with him. That puts the secondary in a hell of a bind if those two guys are gone for extended an extended period of time.

by cgolden on Oct 20, 2008 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

shit

I thought concussion right away with Troy in our open thread. Just such a violent play by him. Benson had a full head of steam too and troy just lowered his head. Sigh. He know no other way, but there has to be some self preservation involved in playing the game as you get older and more savvy. Maybe??? Maybe not on defense.

by Michael Bean on Oct 20, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

So the Nike commercial should have ended with Troy’s helmet off and him not remembering what happened? Maybe it should have played like Memento…

charity standing orders

by BadMaafala on Oct 20, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

some memento elements in those commercials.

what yall think about Benson? I was impressed. Think he’s going to be ok still. Might help to get out of Cinci after this year after proving himself a touch. Certainly looked the part physically and he showed a bit better burst with his first couple of steps than in years past.

by Michael Bean on Oct 20, 2008 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea Benson looked OK

He’ll never live up to his draft pick status but I bet he’ll be a productive back sometime in the future. Of course it doesn’t help that he’s playing in Cincy, but he’s still got a chance.

by cgolden on Oct 20, 2008 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Benson

It helped that our defense read a bunch of articles about how bad the Bengals RB’s were, and how lazy their WR’s are, how their starting QB was out, which all added up to mean that they didn’t have to try very hard against them. Also, I motion that we put the phrase “LeBeau eats young QB’s for breakfast” to rest. When was the last time our defense has embarassed a young QB? The only ones I can think of are Bruce Gradkowski and Andrew Walter, who shouldn’t have ever been starting games in the NFL. Here’s a list of all the young QB’s who didn’t get “eaten for breakfast” in their first game against LeBeau:

Phillip Rivers (90.1 rating, 23 points and the win)
Jay Cutler (106.7 rating, 31 points and the win)
Derek Anderson (78.2 rating, 276 yards in his first ever NFL start)
Joe Flacco (81.7 rating – his highest before he played the Dolphins – and a long TD drive to send it into overtime)
Ryan Fitzpatrick (81.1 rating, 0 int’s in 35 attempts for a POS QB that can’t hit wide open WR’s)

I recommend we change the saying to either “LeBeau eats really bad QB’s that shouldn’t ever be starting an NFL game for breakfast a good portion of the time” or “LeBeau completely ignores young QB’s, because they couldn’t possibly play well, right?”

charity standing orders

by BadMaafala on Oct 20, 2008 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

interesting numbers

Touche.

However, about yesterday.I think you’re dead wrong.

35 attempts for 164 yards! That’s less than 5 yards per attempt. An amazing feat that will win you probably 95 out of 100 games, if not better. That QB rating is only respectable because he didnt turn the ball over. But the QB rating is controversial for that very reason. It puts to much emphasis on completion % and ball security while totally discounting YPA, a much more useful metric. They had 212 yards on 68 plays! And 92 of those yards came on that most impressive 14 play scoring drive. Other than that though, we were lights out. Not sure how anyone could interpret that game otherwise.

We had ten fewer plays and 163 more yards. And we kinda sucked on offense at times too, as we all agreed upon.

This was another kickass performance by the D imo, save one, mere drive.

by Michael Bean on Oct 20, 2008 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

meh

I think it was just a mediocre showing against a terrible offense. The Jets defense was better against Cinci in almost every stat: running yards, running average, YPA, passer rating, total yards, and offensive points allowed. The completion % was almost identical, and Fitzpatrick was their leading rusher with 23 yards. I can’t really see us losing when we give up 10 points, but this defense doesn’t have that killer instinct like the Bears a few years ago that says, “if they get one first down, if we don’t force a couple turnovers, we won’t win this game.” We obviously aren’t in that situation like the Bears were, but maybe it takes a bad offense to make the toughest defenses.

charity standing orders

by BadMaafala on Oct 20, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree That

the D has looked better. Cincy is not a good measuring stick but you can only beat who they put in front of you.
Also without seeing the stats you posted I could have told you that LeBeau doesn’t “eat the young.” I think I remember each of those games you posted. Ouch! The Steelers are always letting young QB look ok. See Flacco. See Fitz yesterday. Good rating. Lots of competions. No turnovers. Like Blitz said though, not a lot of points or yards and a W. That’s what matters. That first 23 minutes yesterday was amazing!
I dig LeBeau (a lot more than any OC in 36 years!) but he isn’t perfect. The QB stats above aside, have you ever seen a “great” D give up more 3rd and long as we do? That gives me much anxiety.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 20, 2008 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

true about 3rd and long

Sometimes I think we’re trying to increase our sack numbers on 3rd down. I mean, I do that all the time in Madden, but it’s generally not a good idea.

I like LeBeau as much as the next guy, and the win is what’s important, but I cringe every time I see that phrase.

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by BadMaafala on Oct 20, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terrible news

It would be awful to lose those guys for any length of time. Is any of this official. It seems like we have been able to work well by committee so far, but Troy is so hard to replace and I think we have all seen what an upgrade B-Mac has been.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 20, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of self preservation

On the play where Troy got hurt, you can see Deshea sort of standing there waiting for Benson to come to him. He ends the play kind of hovering over both guys.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 20, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sucks w/ Troy's concussion history through college.

They are starting to add up. Maybe he should wear one of those double helmet deals?

by bradyquinnsclipboard on Oct 20, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Several weeks ago

I ran in to Stapelton’s mother in the stands after the Eagles “game”. It was such a heinous performance by the O-line and I remember telling her, that while I wished no one harm, I would love to see her son on the field.

Well, since he made it on, I’ve loved watching Stapelton play. I only got to see highlights of the game, since I was working, but being the Junkie that I am, I watched the four minutes that the NFL network gave me at least 5 times, with liberal use of the pause button.

One think that really stood out is how good Stapelton looked, both run blocking and pass protection. He moves well, he has a really low center of gravity and he gets out in open space in a hurry. Once he locks a guy, the guy is locked.

It was just a treat to watch him. Its hard not to get excited about the guys that no one thought had a chance. Somewhere out there, I am sure Stapelton’s mom is very proud. The rest of Steelernation is too.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 20, 2008 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

yes :)

I thought about your story about his mom. What a difference a few weeks can make in the life of a pro athletes and their relentlessly supportive parents. Practice squads, cuts, off and on incomes..BOOM. Opportunity. Love it. So far so good for him.

by Michael Bean on Oct 20, 2008 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Arians

I actually think this was the closest thing to an offensive identity we’ve seen under Arians. Think about it: we used the short passing game to open up the running game, which opened up the PA deep passing game. That’s called the West Coast offense, friends (see also: Washington Redskins). Ben was throwing poorly in the second quarter; that’s not Arians’ fault. If we use the exact same plan against the Giants and Ben makes the throws he missed in this one, we’re going to embarrass the defense. If they don’t get pressure, they suck.

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by BadMaafala on Oct 20, 2008 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Finally

We did on offense what we do best….use the pass to get a lead and open up the run, and then use a run heavy attack to grind and set up some downfield opportunities. I agree with the sentiment that Ben was a little off in the second quarter. I think he made some bad reads, and a few bad throws. I think the Bengals D had something to do with it too, even though they didn’tm bring much in the way of pressure. Several of those plays were a result of good coverage, leading me to believe someone other than the intended receiver may have been more open. Whatever the case, adjustments appeared to have been made, hopefully by Bruce, and the end result was a happy day. BTW, I love the stack set where three receivers line up fairly tight and flare out in different directions at the snap. It was very successful yesterday, and would seem to be extremely difficult to cover with the talent we are lining up.

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by il_steeler_fan on Oct 20, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't get to see the game

thanks for writing your thoughts blitz, much appreciated.

by vherub on Oct 20, 2008 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

sure

sorry it wasnt very nitty gritty with specifics. I think there are just so many big picture things with this team this year its quite fun to write about them.

Check in this week. We’ll go over some more of the offensive stuff. On defense, not much to know. We owned them all day except for one drive really. And one half drive in the second half when they got a FG. 8 sacks though! Too bad you didnt get to enjoy that pleasure.

by Michael Bean on Oct 20, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

great writeup Blitzy

I am with you totally. Not too long at all! Sure, we have flaws, but I can’t think of a single team this year in the NFL that doesn’t. Collier wrote in the PPG today how ‘lucky’ we were that that we were playing the hapless Bengals. The entire tone of his article was completely negative. I disagree, and its a shame that there will always be those guys who look for the bad in everything good. We opened up a double digit lead in the first and third quarters, and only really played ‘flat’ in the second quarter. Sure, the Bengals are not good. But it was still a division game, and I think that St. Louis has proved (twice) that any team can win on any given weekend. A win is a win, and we dominated this game. Maybe we didn’t put it away until late, but we still put it away. We still finished well. I’ll take that anyday of the week.

Moore is such a great backup. I’ve been saying it since day one, but I am so glad that he is on our team. When he was in Minny, every chance he got, he made the most out of. You nailed it on the head – he is a consummate team player. The kind of guy who is just gonna get in there and get it done. Its great to have a guy like that backing up one of your stars.

On a side note, you know that monster block that Hines put on their LB, Rivers? It broke his jaw. Now the Cincy fans are, I know its hard to believe, complaining that that hit was dirty. (cue kwoog) It sucks that Rivers’ season is over, he was playing well, but there was no way that it was over. I like to read the posts on ESPN’s articles, they allow readers to comment on their stories. You wouldn’t believe the crying on that page.

by steelerark on Oct 20, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

24 yard run by MM - a mini breakdown

Kudos to MM for making the first guy miss. Lets give some credit though:

Miller barely manages to push his guy inside but lets him bull rush past the run.
Max starks has a solid 2nd level block.
Hines ward blocks at the line and suffocates his man.

Nate F’ing Washington – blocks the hell out of his guy way downfield.

Ward is making our core of receivers mean SOBs.

by steelguy99 on Oct 20, 2008 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

That was a great run

The funniest thing about it was the CB (David Jones, maybe?) who was covering the play-side WR (was that Washington?). He completely disregarded the run on that play. I can image his thought process: “Okay, I’ve had a rough start to the game, but I’ve got to cover this guy. Oh, there he goes. Alright, he’s running to the corner of the end zone. Now he’s just standing there. Ha, there’s no way he’s going to catch the ball on this play. Man I’m the best corner of all time. Completely shut my guy down. Oh, they scored. Oh well, I get paid either way.”

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by BadMaafala on Oct 20, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I was talking about the run in the middle of the field on the way to the 3rd quarter TD. There is plenty to talk about on that run too though in terms of blocking. You were at the game though so got to see what was going on downfield, it doesn’t show up on video but that WR must be holmes because Nate is on the weak-side. I like your bengals mockery though :)

From what I have read, Ben smelled blitz and an overloaded right side on that play and audibled out of it. What a great audible and that run went down with -
Max Starks absolutely DESTROYS his man and knocks him down, then starts blocking another guy
Stapleton pulls and solidly seals up his man
Kemo fiddles around with his guy and lets him come inside
Hartwig doesn’t have to do much but decides to manhandle his guy far back and pin him
Ward getting the downfield block and celebrating about it
Colon & Miller play bullfighters and their guys are on the wrong side of the play

by steelguy99 on Oct 20, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, my bad

I think I vaguely remember the first play you were talking about, but I’d have to watch it in the highlights. Was it right before the big pass to Nate?

That was an outstanding audible, though.

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by BadMaafala on Oct 20, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, relooking at these clips. Nate is really turning into a player. On hines long YAC run on the first drive he is following where Ward is going to whole time and makes a block on one of the 5 guys trying to get to 86. He’s really putting in a lot of effort out there, and his hands are looking like they have learned to catch.

If he continues this way Nate is going to get some serious love as our #3 man.

by steelguy99 on Oct 20, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even Santonio!!

Got in a couple of nice downfield blocks in the running game. Hines seemed to set the tone with his KO of Rivers in the first drive, and all the WR’s fed off of that block and started trying to knock MF’ers out whenever possible. Looking forward to FWP getting into the second level with those guys blocking like that. Hopefully some long distance TD’s will be the result.

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by il_steeler_fan on Oct 20, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are so many things you can enjoy as a Steeler Fan

But a blocking WR corps is one of the true joys of the game. I am trying to remember the game in 05 were Randel-El absolutely leveled a guy. And my thought at that moment was, God – do I love Hines Ward, I hope the Steelers keep him signed through the end of his career and then lock him up as a coach. He should already be getting double pay for what he has done for our young receivers. Which reminds me of another thing that I am VERY thankful for. The fact that we got rid of Plaxcio Burress.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 20, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plax

started filling in his ticket out of the ‘burgh early, as it was obvious he was not cut out of Steeler cloth. How the chin refrained from personally kicking his ass is a case study in restraint. Can anyone else think of a player where we made the decision to draft talent over personality like we did with Plax? Granted, he was a product of dire need, as our receiving corps was a shambles before drafting him, and damn if he wasn’t gifted, physically. If he had not been a jackass, and bought into Hine’s work ethic and attitude, the dude would be unstoppable! I do not necessarily look forward to playing against the guy next week, especially if Troy and B-mac cannot go, as he is a dangerous weapon that makes the little Manning much more confident.

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by il_steeler_fan on Oct 20, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plax is talented

so are TO and Roy Williams and countless other Wide Mouthed Receivers, who think that the game is measured by the number of times the ball is thrown in their direction.

I wonder about Plax and the Jaw. Wonder if Plax was just too scared to really start in with the nonesense while he was here. Like I said though, I am just glad he’s gone.

BTW – It’s another testament to Hines’ leadership that so many talented guys can sit on the same bench, get so few (relatively) throws and instead of sulking or threatening use their spare energy throwing down-field blocks.

You may not make the espn, or the pro-bowl by blocking 15 yards of a play, but you sure as hell win over the committed fan base.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 20, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

pressure

Pittsburgh : 8 sacks
Cincy: 0 sacks

amen

by NoCal-SteelCity on Oct 20, 2008 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I keep seeing 7 sacks in a lot of places. I think the last sack came late in the game against Palmer #2 though, and hence its absence.

by steelguy99 on Oct 20, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

weird

NFL.com gave Bruce Davis a sack and a FF, but I can’t find it in their play by play, and I don’t remember anything like that happening. I think it might be a typo.

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by BadMaafala on Oct 20, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed Charlie Batch on the sideline...

but I have yet to see Rashard Mendenhall. Of course it could just be the fact that he isn’t getting any camera time. Does anyone know if he’s been at the games? It would seem to me that the rookie could learn a thing or two if he’s out there watching opposing defenses and getting a better understanding of blocking schemes, gametime adjustments etc…

by Steev1705 on Oct 20, 2008 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d be at home sitting if my shoulder was broken.

by steelguy99 on Oct 20, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quote To Note

I read this morning where Big Ben was taking credit for the flat second quarter. He said he got stuck on having to run the ball on third and short. I remember those plays. No bueno.

Does anyone know how much Ben is calling the plays? A win is a win – but – I think, after the first scoring drive our offense could best be described with: Too much dickin’ around.
Until, the second half.

The Giants should be a good test of the offensive line, version two-point-oh. I have to say, even to the untrained eye, they looked good. I was impressed with the results.

So many really good things to comment on: Ben’s big throws, the best pass rushing tandem in the NFL, M&M rolling (I’m thinking Westbrook lite), Timmons coming on, Nate coming on, and…

Mr. Rivers, we would like to introduce you to future hall of fame receiver, Hines Ward. Isn’t he something? Hines ward is a true football player in every sense of the concept. He is the one guy in today’s NFL who could have played back in the old days before they changed the rules. Let’s give him a big round of applause.

I think it is time for some preventitive medicine. We have to stop the rash, no, gash of injuries! I think a closer eye is warrented on warming up and stretching.

Anyway, great victory!

Can’t wait for the G-men at Heinz field.

BTW, another great job by our fearless leader, Blitz. Thanks.

by WyoFan on Oct 20, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Big Ben Play Calls

From everything I’ve seen and heard Ben did a ton of his own play calling on Saturday. Specifically during that offensive lull spanning the middle of the game.

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by mental.apparition on Oct 20, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starks, Stapleton looked good

Hey guys, some quick thoughts:

— Max Starks and Darnell Stapleton looked good yesterday. With Dale Lolley reporting from a source that Marvel Smith could be out several weeks with his surgically repaired back flaring up, Starks could be the LT during this stretch. If he performs well, he could be back next year and a few years after that. This team will not turn the starting LT position over to a rookie next year. And where in free agency can you find a starting quality LT who is worth the price you would pay for one on the open market?

— Stapleton’s quickness and leverage allows the Steelers to do more sweeps and counter stuff than K. Simmons. It’s no accident the line has played better since he’s been in there. Another really free “rookie free agent” steal.

— We know the coaching staff and the front office don’t see eye to eye on talent, but the scouting staff is having no such problems. The scouts on this team know how to find rookie free agents. Donovan Woods and Patrick Bailey are special teams standouts. I wonder if they’ll ever activate that kick returner that they signed to the practice, J. Royster. We’re probably the worst team in the league when it comes to punt returns and we’re definitely in the lower third when it comes to kick-off returns.

— Are you worried that this team couldn’t make two third & ones, and would throw 3 straight passes on the 3-yard line when it was first and goal? Truly, this coach and his staff only believe in the running game when it is working. When it’s not, they expect our QB to turn water into wine. The funny thing is if this OL can keep him clean the rest of the year, Heinz Field could end up being renamed Bartles & James Wine House courtesy of Big Ben the winemaker.

— It looks like BMac will be done for awhile. We just don’t know how long. Let the Ty Law rumors begin. Would anyone bite? I don’t think anyone wants to see William Gay or Anthony Madison one-on-one against anyone’s starting receiver. With Deshea not completely healthy combined with the way BMac was playing, this injury could end up being big. So, do you give Ty Law that courtesy phone call?

—M. Moore looks good. My boy Gary Russell didn’t look so good yesterday. He also didn’t get much blocking on his carries, particularly that 3rd and 1 when a guy wasn’t touched. DaTruth isn’t throwing in the towel on him yet. But he still has to do something to have us here (namely me) to keep pumping him up. Am I wrong on our boy, Blitz?

— Harrison + Woodley = 2 spots in Honolulu. Enough said.

Thoughts?

by datruth4life on Oct 20, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

While we’re using Dale as a source, I think we should also note that he doesn’t think there is any chance whatsoever that starks will want to be back next year.

by steelguy99 on Oct 20, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starks, Stapleton

Don’t get me wrong – I like Stapleton – but he’s started against two of the worst defenses in the NFL through this early part of the season. He can earn his stripes the next few weeks. I think the Steelers plan is Stapleton fills that center position soon but let’s hold off on any coronation for a few more weeks.

I think you’re way off base on Stapleton’s mobility > Simmons’. Simmons could move. Sometimes he couldn’t finish but he always moved well. Stapleton did finish better on Sunday than he has the previous two weeks.

After all that, I still agree with you: Stapleton looks to be another UDFA success by the Steelers.

Pretty much the same for Starks – let’s see over the next few weeks.

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by mental.apparition on Oct 20, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thoughts

1) Said on an earlier post that Starks could be the starting LT next year grooming whomever the Steelers draft #1 or #2 for the LT position. Starks could go from doghouse to starting LT and another $7 mil payday.
2) Stapleton, FWP, Woods, Harrison…can thse guys scout or what?
3) #7 “the winemaker” Classic. Benny’s from heaven.
4) Gary Russell is a good #5 RB. I am comfortable with giving him the ball in the 4th quarter if need be.
5) 92 & 56 are Hawaii bound. 94 will be there sooner or later. How about that draft last year?

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by 5020 on Oct 20, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good to see Timmons have a breakout game

After a year and a half of waiting. But Gary Russell may have punched his ticket to oblivion. 4 carries for net 0 yardage. With the team having 1st and 10 on the oppo 3 yard line, they throw the ball 3 times. Bye bye, Gary.

by robert ethan on Oct 20, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Great discussion

I can’t really add too much, as I think you guys have covered it. The only thing I can add is an idea. If Troy’s out for any length of time, I think we should have Timmons in his spot. He seems to be the only other player on the team with the same closing speed, quickness and agility. I hope Troy isn’t out too long, but I guess I’d rather have back later and healthy for the playoffs than come back too soon. Especially with a concussion.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 20, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Dominant Defense

I want to preface this by saying that we have not played against great teams in the first half, but statistically our Defense is dominating the league right now.

We are giving up 15 less yards a game than any other team.
We are giving up 10 less yards a game in the air than any other team
We have 4 more sacks than any other team.

the one area were we are not dominant is big plays.
We are 8th in interceptions and 10th in Ffum.
Not bad by any stretch, but you can see that our defensive philosophy is about controlling games not about taking them over with big plays.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 20, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

We’ll have to visit those numbers after the next few games. The pressure has been great. There’s no doubt about that. I’m still a little concerned that the defense is too cocky and hasn’t really shown much this season. Hopefully the good offenses we play in the next several weeks will help our defense grow into its potential, even if we lose 1 or 2 along the way. Sometimes a few tribulations can be the best thing for a team.

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by BadMaafala on Oct 20, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big News

I could make this into a new fan post, but I don’t feel like it. Anyways, after games against the Jaguars and Bengals (and some help from our defense), Ben Roethlisberger is no longer the most sacked per pass attempt QB in the league:

O’Sullivan .1465 sk/att
Fitzpatrick .1456
Bulger .1343
Cassel .1338
Kitna .1250
Roethlisberger .1184

Here’s to you, OL, and you BA, and you… Ben Roethlisberger.

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by BadMaafala on Oct 20, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Bad Mojo

That’s just bad mojo, BadMaafala, to post that stuff with the Giants up next….

:)

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by mental.apparition on Oct 20, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The giants have only allowed 6.5 sacks this year. We’d need at least 12 this game to put Eli up in that category – get to it boys.

by steelguy99 on Oct 20, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The other way around

steelguy99. I was thinking the Giants could very well put Big Ben back to the top of that sack ratio list next weekend if we don’t have a solid game plan + solid execution.

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by mental.apparition on Oct 20, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may eat my words, but I think our embarassing 7 sack performances are behind us. Thank you, Jim Johnson for your steady diet of blitzes, teaching us about the arts of blocking, hot routes and short passes.

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by BadMaafala on Oct 20, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m down with doing both…

by steelguy99 on Oct 20, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good comments all

My own two cents.

1. A big raspberry to all the Max and Nate haters out there. Say what you want, I will not back down on the belief that Starks is a high quality tackle and, given the limited qualtiy of our O-line needs to be on the field until proven otherwise or until he’s gone. Nate keeps improving, earning his keep and demonstrating that he’s an asset to the mix.

2. Call him Mr Timmons! We may look back at this game as the official coming out party for Timmons. He was covering wide receivers and blowing past tackles for sacks. Some may be bitter that he didn’t demonstrate this out of the box, but he is certainly no disappointment. As a threesome LT along with Harrison and Woodley are scary good, potentially as good as and ultimately better than Russell, Ham and Lambert. For one thing they are bigger, quicker and more athletic. Add Farrior and you have an unbelievable four man crew. Also another raspberry to those who thought Harrison was some sort of flash in the pan. He’s getting better. As long as this group remains healthy we will have a championship level defense and potentially a championship level team. And only Farrior and perhaps Harrison are at the peak of their games. Woodley and Timmons will get a lot better.

3. Mewelde is a solid contributor to the running game. Not enough info to throw in the towel on Russell. The inability to convert a third and one is as much the fault of the offensive concept and execution as it is the personnel. It’s a troublesome weakness that reflects something less than full confidence in the what the running game must do at the championship level. That problem must be fixed. How this is all handled when FWP returns will say volumes about the offensive leadership.

4. Bmac’s injury may be cause for concern, but if Troy’s is another concussion then that may be of more long term significance. Either way the injury bug has taken a bite out of our defensive secondary and some folks will have to step up. Law may be a possibility, Mundy may reappear as well. Timmons wouldn’t be a bad choice at nickel back. ;-)

5. The team hasn’t hit its stride yet? Good! It’s too early for them to do so. Beat the Giants, go .500 for November then get hot in December and we’ll all be happy in January.

by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Oct 20, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Our secondary depth isn’t as good as the rest of our team. If Deshea can’t get it done, we’re in big trouble until Bmac returns. I wouldn’t mind seeing Anthony Smith over Tyrone Carter, but both have their issues. On the plus side, we’ll get to see what Gay can do, and maybe see Anthony Smith try to redeem himself against a non-conference opponent. It could be a lot worse.

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by BadMaafala on Oct 20, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

good thoughts

One thing about Timmons that isnt emphasized enough: he’s stilll just a KID. He came into the league at 20 years old I believe. That’s ridiculous. He’s only 22 now! Woodley on the other hand will be 24 in a couple of weeks. That sounds minor, but strength and intelligence/maturity wise, it’s not.

Timmons is going to be great, I have no doubt about it.

by Michael Bean on Oct 20, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

He’s got such upside – you also get the sense that the Steelers are really comfortable letting players grown on the bench. Sometimes, to a fault, but overall it seems like it works really well.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 21, 2008 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

And a couple of other things

1. Hines Ward broke a linebacker’s jaw!!! HInes Ward broke a linebacker’s jaw. Hines Ward broke a linebacker’s jaw. A wide receiver playing the role of a terrorist. What a concept. The most violent team indeed!

2. Kudos to Stapleton. this kid is a comer.

by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Oct 20, 2008 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Sweed

Can’t wait to see him on the field some more. Without a doubt he’ll be a stand-out reciever for this team in a couple years. Something tells me he’s going to be Ben’s favorite target when Ward’s gone too.

by retribution990 on Oct 20, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

what i liked

Was how disappointed he was when he had to leave the game after his first catch. He was just excited about getting to play. If he doesn’t try to do to much this year he’ll keep getting opportunities.

by Chicago Steeler on Oct 20, 2008 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we all should,

At least pay some attention to our goalline offense. That still appears to be a little shady. And please don’t tell me that that isn’t an issue because it is. And as I’ve always said I truly love the Steelers. But we better figure out how to muscle up in these situations. And as we all know. Here comes the power schedule.

Any thoughts? Go Steelers!

by C-Mac on Oct 20, 2008 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t necessarily give BA or Ben too much credit for doing this intentionally, but it sure seemed like we were trying to get it into the endzone from a ways out instead of getting stuck in the 10. Obviously we need to work on the goal-line stuff, but at least there is some potential that the steelers have recognized that fault and are planning around it.

Of course, if that is consistent teams will start covering the long TD under the 20 and get us into a goal line situation if indeed we have a hard time converting there.

by steelguy99 on Oct 21, 2008 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

B-Mac down, CB Roy Lewis & S Ryan Mundy on deck?

With B-Mac out a minimum of 5 weeks and with Troy’s concussion, the Steelers will probably activate rookie CB Roy Lewis from the practice squad and possibly sign CB Travis Williams or S Ryan Mundy to the practice squad. It is great to have a player like Deshea to fill in as a starter. That means William Gay will have to pick his game up because man on man coverage in the slot hasn’t been a strength of his this year. Too many missed tackles and he is better in zone than man to man. The team has to get another CB on the squad because I don’t think you want to see Anthony Madison on an island against anyone’s top 3 WR.

The person that they activate will probably have to be a great special teams player first and a CB second. Ty Law is the pipe dream out there, but that’s not the Steelers MO. Law doesn’t know LeBeau’s system and won’t be playing special teams for anybody. They’ll go with youth that already knows Lebeau’s defense and try to coach’em up. Tough loss to lose the player playing the best in your secondary during the team’s toughest upcoming stretch. The good news is that he isn’t lost for the season.

If Troy can’t go this week, I’d probably rather have Anthony Smith as a starter rather than Tyrone Carter. With the Giants running game, you need someone who can come in and bang. That’s Smith’s game to a tee right now. Carter can come in on sub-packages and team with Ryan Clark to play some 2-deep. But that won’t happen. If Troy is out, Ty Carter will start with A. Smith seeing time on sub packages.

I think we’ll also have Starks making his second start at LT this week. If he plays well during this stretch, he could be back next year, even if the team has to slap a tag on him again for one year. This team won’t begin the season next year with a rookie at LT.

Hopefully, Big Snack, Willie, Troy and Keyaron Fox (the team missed him on special teams) will be ready to go this week.

Thoughts?

by datruth4life on Oct 21, 2008 1:23 AM EDT reply actions  

agree

Roy Lewis showed promise in pre-season. Using Timmons more can soften the -43 blow. Improved pass rush will help keep our D afloat. A. Smith should start at SS if Troy is out. Just give him reign to attack downhill, keep Ryan Clark deep. With Troy we move Clark around more this year particularly, blitzing Clark occasionally while Pola jets deep where the QB thinks there is an opening. Can’t do this with Smith since he’ll bite on play action, but can just keep Smith closer to the box to hit the middle routes that Gay might be susceptible to letting get open. I see Starks staying next year as well. His value still won’t be high even if he plays well for a few games this year. Same thing happened last year and he didn’t get any offers. FO is keeping his value down.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Oct 21, 2008 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im laughing so hard I am crying...

This line is AWESOME: “I’m barreling recklessly out of control with no real mastery of the physics of my mass”
  on a related note, at lunch on Sunday my girlfriend and I were discussing how linemen look like they have never touched a football in their entire lives when they SOMEHOW manage to recover and though are unadvised to, try to RUN with a recently recovered fumble in their hands. Also, when asked to run anywhere more than 3-4yds north/south/east/west it looks like a slightly rounded off 350 oblong block rolling down a hill. So, therefor that line holds serious merit in my mind.

UP THE IRONS!!!

by TomBradyPaste on Oct 21, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

thank you sir. I think I was a few drinks deep though when I came with up that ridiculously silly line. hehe.

cheers.

by Michael Bean on Oct 22, 2008 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

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