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The Whole Hines Ward Thing...

Bumped.

steelerark is just about as old school as it comes on BTSC, though newer readers might not know it with all the nice developments in his personal and professional life lately. He's a great big picture guy, a great loyal Pittsburgh sports fan, and most likely very similar to some good friend of yours. Just a down to earth, chill guy. I am pleased he found time to weigh in on his favorite player, Hines Ward, and the bigger picture he sees developing behind the scenes as it relates to Hines. Jump on in with your two cents. - Blitz-

I have been closely following this story for some time now, even before this last week's developments.  I believe that this whole situation with Hines this season has brought to light something that is very troubling to me.  It seems that the league is slowly and methodically trying to turn this league into a politically correct product.   They seem to be taking a sport known for its violence, hard-hitting and ruggedness and turn it into something entirely different.   As Polamolu might put it, a pansy league.

I know that with time, all things change.  This is not my father's league.  My dad watched guys like Lambert, Mean Joe, Butkus and Lott.   Guys like Tatum and Alzado who actually sought guys out to hurt them and looked to cause as much pain as possible.   I'm sure Maryrose can whip out several stories about guys like that.  But that league is dead to us.  And that's okay.  I know that stuff like that had to change after seeing what happened to guys like Mike Webster in their old age.  (Read what happened to Ted Johnson during his time with the Pats, one more reason to hate Belichick)  That makes sense.  What bothers me is two-fold:  the inconsistencies and the general shift toward correct 'behavior'.  Namely, the fines.  We all know by now how much Hines has been fined this year, twice for unspecified "unnecessary roughness".  He did get an explanation on one of them, a slap to a helmet after a play was over.   What bothers me most about the fines and Hines getting labeled a dirty player is the whole hypocrisy of it.   I posted some links in an earlier post about this, but in case you missed them...

Here's Ed Reed, an avid Hines hater who has been decleated twice by 86.

Here’s Chinedum Ndukwe, the Bengal LB who complained about the Rivers injury to the media, in college.

It bothers me that offensive players (namely Hines, since I don't know of too many other receivers that hit like him) are seemingly held to a different standard than defensive players.  In the PG today, we learned that the league will consider hits like the one Hines put on display Sunday illegal in the offseason.  How?  Will they require an offensive player to hit a guy only if he's looking?  Will they have to yell out a warning?  On the flip side, defenders constantly knock guys out of the game.  Know what Ray Lewis said immediately after knocking Mendenhall out of the game? "The force was freaking incredible," Patrick quotes Lewis about the tackle. "After the play, I wasn't screaming, 'He's hurt.' I was screaming, 'He's done.  Cripes I hate the Ravens.

Where is the consistency in crap like this?  I read somewhere that maybe the stuff that Hines is getting fined for is all a subtle way to soften teams up for an 18 game schedule.  That might hold water if only defensive guys weren't getting away with the exact same kind of stuff.   The league still puts out a 'Greatest Hits' video every year.   We hear guys like Kwoog come on and complain that Hines is a dirty player.   How is  this hit by your beloved Browns any different Kwoog?  Hines is called a 'blind side' guy.  Huh?  Um, how many times a game do you see a quarterback get blindsided?  If it's a Steeler game you're watching, probably several times.   Hines is labeled as dirty, but defenders taking out receivers in the same way get praised. 

As for the shift toward behavior, sure.  I'm all for fining guys or suspending guys that continually get into trouble with the law or use drugs.  That's just weeding out idiots.  Any guy like Matt Jones that is gonna risk all that they have gained to do a few lines of coke deserve to get suspended.  But, where did it start to turn that guys can't celebrate a TD in any way but maybe joyfully clapping their hands?  It is unbelievable how the celebration fines have gotten way out of control.  Is it solely because of TO and Bozo Cinco?  I can't stand either guy, but if they want to pull a sharpie out or grab some pom poms, who cares?  I have to admit, its entertaining and amusing.  Read this article by Joel Hammond, a blogger at pigskinpodcast.com.  Most recently, Chris Johnson of the Titans was fined 15 grand for banging on some drums in their pep band.  (They have a pep band?!?)  It's getting crazy.  I know that the celebrations are getting more elaborate and planned out in advance.  My question is, who cares?  Who is it hurting?  Are they going to start fining a kicker for jumping into his teammates arms after a game-winning kick?  I like what Hammond says in his podcast.  Its not about the refs and the league officials.  It's about the fans and unfortunately, things like these instances are proving that this sport is more and more a business and not about us. 

I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts about all this, the celebrations and the fines for Ward.   I especially would like to hear from some of the non-Steeler fans who read this site to chime in.  I know some of the more vocal ones have been silent, with the Cowboys, Browns and Jags struggling.  But I know you guys are still out there lurking, waiting in the shadows for the Steelers to take a nosedive like in the Eagles game.  Lemme have it.

 

 

 

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 I think Hines is changing the face of football and the League doesn’t like where he’s taking it. Receivers just don’t block like that, at least they haven’t in the past anyway. They are hittees not hitters !

 Safety’s and Lb’s have traditionally been the big hitters on the unprotected that cross into their domain. Now receivers are laying in wait for their old nemesis and not only don’t the defenders like it but they are vocally protesting ( whining about it ) the practice.

 Now the League in it’s quest for the ultimate ‘Kumbyah’ , wants any additional violence that may be injected into Pro Football to cease and desist but hasn’t invented a rule to cover it.

  But have no fear the “No Fun League” will prevail and new legislation will be forthcoming and vests with colored areas will be worn by all players and anyone caught hitting outside the designated area will be fined and made to sit next to a coach on the bus/plane ride home.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong !

by SteelChip on Oct 24, 2008 8:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If it becomes the No Fun League, then we should think about turning it off… We’ll see how quickly they reverse course when no one is watching anymore.

by vin2k on Oct 24, 2008 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No other receiver is doing this, so what would they be worried about? It’s just ridiculous that he’s being targeted.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 24, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Post

Reading your post made me so f*@king angry I have nothing constructive to add. I just want to say thanks for crystalizing the issue and getting it out for discussion.

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by warftr5 on Oct 24, 2008 8:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Absolute double standard

The guy who writes for the Jaguars who is totally unbiased put it best. For years, safties and lbs have been KILLING recievers. Basically sending the message that coming across the middle is going to mean pain.

Now we have a reciever that is dishing out as good as he has been getting and let’s be clear, Hines has taken some really vicious hits going after a ball. How are those different then any of the hits he has dished out? The one that he put on Rivers sprung Spaeth for another 6 yards. THAT IS FOOTBALL.

I think the NFL is taking it’s monopoly and status for granted. If this continues, I have to seriously think about boycotting the whole league. That is the ONLY way to send a message to them. If this is what your product is going to be, then no thanks.

by vin2k on Oct 24, 2008 8:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Ark, just a regular ;-)

Good to read your thoughts and I’m 100% with you! I think there is a connection here with what was discussed last week about football and the dedicated fan being pushed aside in favor of the more casual fan and the ‘entertainment’ aspects of the game. At its best fooball is a brutal, difficult sport. The NFL in league with the networks seems to be hellbent on eliminating those aspects from the game.

I just read the latest on Hines and it infuriates me. He is a unique talent, a SB MVP, holds all the team receiving records and a probable HOFer and the only time he gets any attention is when he gets fined. Ray Lewis, on the other hand, gets celebrated for being the tough guy. I’’m sorry, I’m old school. If I were a Steeler I’d make it my business to see Ray-Ray being carted off on a stretcher. Suggs too. Hell, that’s how we played the game in high school when I was growing up. If you thought you were bad enough to talk or do that kinda of stuff then you deserved to suffer the consequences. In my mind the whole thing with the Ravens goes to another level now. Take as many of them out as you can, if that’s their attitude.

Sorry for that rant. Had to get it out of my system.

What is particularly worrisome is that this penalizes the type of ball the Steelers specialize in. They want to turn us all into the Cowboys. Sad.

Good post Ark. Thanks.

by RickVa on Oct 24, 2008 9:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good post

One thing though that I find doesnt quite add up is your assertion that ‘its just a business now and now about us’. Well, we do foot the bill for at least some of the game. I think we’re perhaps just in a cycle that could shift again back towards less puritanical or corportae or whatever you wanna call it rules.

by Blitzburgh on Oct 24, 2008 9:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

too true

about footing the bill. I hope its a cycle, but after trudging thru 16 straight losing seasons as a Pirates fan, my tolerance for low fan appreciation has about reached its limit. It sucks to me that these games that we played as kids are turning into multi-billion dollar businesses who only have the bottom line in mind.

On a side note, since I mentioned the Buccos, check out this story in which ESPN shows just how inept Pirates ownership has been…

by steelerark on Oct 24, 2008 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know this is a totally different sport

But over the past, eh, 4 years or so NASCAR has (for me) been going waaaaay downhill…it’s ALL corporate now, and if anyone saw the finish at Talladega a few weeks ago (or knows what I am talking about) then you can feel my pain. And, I mean, NASCAR was my first love-it was the first sport I liked, and the hardcore, longterm fan base has been getting fed up with all the changes, political correctness, and straight up bullsh!t that’s been going on.

And with Chrysler about to go under (my favorite car company and my dad’s employer for 20some years as an engineer), obviously Dodge won’t exist, and with my favorite driver about to enter his final year, I have no obligation to follow the sport anymore.

I thought, what the hell, it’ll suck, but there’s still football…well, if football is going to go down the same road, and I believe it is, screw it…I’ll find something else to do with my time, and more importantly to them all MONEY.

Sorry for the mini-rant, and if anyone has any questions about the Chrysler situation, I’ll be glad to answer them…I’m pretty well-informed. :)

by Romain El 82 on Oct 25, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice article, ark. That is a ridiculous quote from Lewis, and it makes me hope Ward knocks like 4 of them out. I’m really starting to think that Rog is a pretty crappy commish. Like you said, I understand trying to clean up the game, but they’ve handed out so many fines and such for celebrations it’s ridiculous. The players want to celebrate and I don’t hear any fans complaining about it. He’s fighting against the grain of players AND fans.

Meanwhile, the outlook for the labor situation is tenuous and doesn’t seem to be getting anywhere. I get the feeling that a guy like Jerry Jones is going to manipulate the league into something that’s good for him and bad for the game. Goodell’s priorities are messed up. This isn’t your Upshaw-Tagliabue NFL anymore.

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by BadMaafala on Oct 24, 2008 9:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

dont like him either.

i started major rant piece against lewis last night. didnt finsih. might at some point, but needless to say, i think that guys the biggest fucking phoney. he’s just like a 11 year old bully, never grown out of it. all the sermonizing…never wanna hear it. total fraud.

by Blitzburgh on Oct 24, 2008 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

u can embrace playing violently and trying to survive out there

but you dont revel in other’s misery that have made the same sacrifices as you to get to this point. total punk.

by Blitzburgh on Oct 24, 2008 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just wondering...

Do you sleep? You posted an article at 2AM PDT, now it’s 6:30 AM PDT. I mean I know you’re at college, but geez.

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by BadMaafala on Oct 24, 2008 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hah!

I was thinking the exact same thing! Dude, you are a machine!

by steelerark on Oct 24, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Ray Lewis is one of my least favorite players I can remember.

by tkired on Oct 25, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing

I think what they told Troy about caring about the players more than the money is complete BS. I just read somewhere the other day that if the NFL feels all the injuries that have happened this year start to affect the quality of the game, they’ll consider drastic rule changes. It sure sounds like safety matters more than their “product”…

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by BadMaafala on Oct 24, 2008 9:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The NFL is Knee-Jerking in Response to Injuries

I honestly don’t remember a season this affected by major injuries. The Steelers have lost three running backs, three lineman and a cornerback. The Patriots lost Brady, Maroney and Harrison. The Cowboys are playing without Romo and others; the Chargers badly miss Merriman. We played the Browns, Jags and Bengals, all three of whom were badly depleted from injuries. I’m sure if we went around the league we could find many more. Of course, injuries are always part of the game, but when they spike to this heightened degree, the league takes a reaction to curb what they fear is a new trend. Sometimes the reactions don’t address the problems, if the problems are anecdotal in the first place.

There is also a chance that the injuries are not anecdotal and that the players bodies have evolved to a speed and strength degree to the point where the game is going to have excessive casualties. This would be problematic and indeed cause for rules changes to minimize the casualties. The NFL might consider banning the side block that caused the Bengals first-rounder to be the latest casualty. This would be a shame on one hand but if the gain outweighs the loss then so be it. There might be other rule tweaks that reduce injury.

Regarding the showboating, I don’t think there is any place in the game for that garbage. You can call me a No Fun Leaguer, but taunting and showboating only fuel the fire that causes opponents to want revenge, thus increasing the injury factor. The NFL should copy the colleges in this case. Football is a team game, not a me game. Players who call attention to themselves after making a play are not accounting for their 10 teammates who helped put that player in the position to make the play in the first place. College football is no less exciting for toning down individual attention-getters.

by maryrose on Oct 24, 2008 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

do agree

that NCAA football is just as exciting. I dunno. While I agree with you, let the repercussions fall within the team dynamics, not from the league. 100% agree, 10 other guys helped spring that TD, so if an individual wants to try to take all the glory, fine, let him ruffle feathers amongst his teammates. I just don’t see why its a penalty or fine.

by Blitzburgh on Oct 24, 2008 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should clarify

I am not a fan of showboating. I hate it. One of my all-time favorite players was Barry Sanders, a guy who never one time even spiked a ball after one of his many TDs. My point is, it hurts no one. I don’t believe that it leads to more injuries at all. The only time I can think of that it resulted in any kind of obvious revenge factor was TO getting punked on the Cowboy star. That being said, I can’t help but smile in a ‘Oh man’ kind of way when CJ does one of his stunts. And a side effect of his antics is this: it has been extremely satisfying to see him sulk on the sidelines this year and not be able to do his shenanigans since the Bengals suck so badly. (on a side note, anyone see Super Troopers? love the shenanigans scene) But the fact remains that no one gets hurt from celebrating. The college refs have even been worse at this than the pros. The amount of fines and penalties are getting ridiculous, and in college, one of them cost the Razorbacks a game a few years ago. They were fined for a highly questionable celebration penalty on a game tying TD with no time left, and then subsequently were penalized 15 yds on and missed the extra point that would have sent the game into OT.

I totally agree about the change in physicality. I was going to say something about the speed and size of the guys nowadays, and I guess I forgot. Absolutely, things have needed to change over the years due to the overall improvement of the players. But it still needs to be football. My main point is, if it changes, it needs to change for everyone. Defenders need to be held to the same rules.

by steelerark on Oct 24, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey ark, what’s the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?

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by BadMaafala on Oct 24, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

[hands over pistol]

You’ve got a good point, though. Selfish players aren’t good for the game because they make their teams worse. However, the NFL shouldn’t punish these players any more than a government should penalize businesses for making a poorly designed product. People looks at the Cowboys and Bengals and see a bunch of hype and no production (zero playoff victories this decade), whereas the Steelers, Titans (who just got rid of Pacman), Bills, and Redskins are just playing good team football with no hype.

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by BadMaafala on Oct 24, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

free market system baby

It all washes out in the end. Love your thinking dude.

by steelerark on Oct 24, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Showboating

I agree with you about showboating, but I think that college takes it way too far (not to mention that it’s wildly inconsistent). I never understood why group dances in the endzone were considered more taunting that Michael Irvin’s spasms after getting a first down or TD. I personally think the old Redskins’ “Fun Bunch” celebrations, the Rams’ “Bob and Weave” with Faulk Bruce, Holt, etc., or the Mile High Salute were much less taunting than anything that Irvin ever did. Yet, they ban the celebrations that are group celebrations (i.e. celebrating as a team), or honoring to the fans (the Mile High Salute), while still allowing Irvin type crap.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 24, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's actually a great point

If the problem with celebrating is that it puts one player in the spotlight, why are team celebrations the biggest offense?

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by BadMaafala on Oct 24, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and I just read rissaldar’s comment below. I’m not necessarily for or against celebrations in the endzone. I did think that the Mile High Salute was actually very classy and honoring to the fans, not drawing attention to the individual, but overall, I just think that they’re missing the point.

I also want to make the point that I agree with ark about Barry Sanders. But, it was notable mainly because so few other players showed that level of class.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 24, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you ark. I am with you 100%
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The league is changing. So is the game. Old school players like Ray Lewis and Hines Ward are becoming a thing of the past. Soon you will not hit the QB only pull a flag. There will be no kickoffs (too dangerous) so everyone starts from the 40. No punts either! If you don’t score the other team starts from the 40.

I will still watch the game and root for the players and the violence (not the injuries) as long as there is football. But it is changing.
Hopefully one thing that changes is the way the NFL pays their rookies HUGE amounts of green without a stat sheet while the older retired players that made the game wallow in poverty and ill health. One thing I hope doesn’t change and the I hope the NFL finds a way to work out is the Pittsburgh Steelers being owned by the Rooney’s. This is the most important change coming that I hope does not,

PS my two favorite teams are the Steelers and who ever plays the BrownRavens and Murderin’ Ray this week!

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by 5020 on Oct 24, 2008 9:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Greed

After watching our economy tank and the reason why, do you wonder that the NFL and its new billionair owners are just as greedy? They cut the rosters ($Savings$), and now they are trying to get some of their money back AND protect the smaller rosters.

I wont even mention that they are trying to protect some of the worst refs on record by fining coaches and players into silence. I believe that freedeom of speech is guarenteed in the constitution. No? Oh, I just read the constitution and there is an NFL exception. My bad.

I think Goodell is owned by the Cowboys and Patriots. Don’t even get me started!

by WyoFan on Oct 24, 2008 10:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

to be fair

the First Amendment only guarantees that the government can’t infringe on free speech. Private organizations are free to restrict speech as much as they want. Though an argument could certainly be made that due to the anti-trust exemption granted to the NFL (and other pro sports leagues) there is a heightened level of government involvement.

by cjmulrain on Oct 24, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

correct

the word privacy does not appear in the Bill of Rights. The NFL can do what it wants, they are a business, the players are their products. Not that I agree with alot of the stuff they do but legally, nothing to stand on.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Oct 25, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great article

As a Giants fan, I’ve hated Ray Lewis ever since the 2000 Super Bowl, and that quote just makes me hate him even more. What a d-bag. I know Lawrence Taylor had his own issues, but when he destroyed Theismann’s leg, he knew it and was mortified, immediately jumping up and signaling for the Redskins medical staff to come onto the field. That’s the way the game should be played: rough, but with respect for your opponent. Ray Lewis has none of that.

And I agree with your premise that the NFL is really becoming ridiculous and hypocritical. I respect Goodell trying to clean up the image of the league, and guys like Pacman Jones have no place on the field, but football is a violent game…just let these guys play!

by cjmulrain on Oct 24, 2008 10:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ray Lewis

doesn’t know what the word respect means. All he cares about is himself. Watch him celebrate an average tackle when his team is down by 20 points and you can tell what’s important to me. It makes me sick how the media talks about him in glowinreverant terms. Especially Dierdorf. Oh man, I cringe when his broadcasting team is covering a Steeler game.

by steelerark on Oct 24, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

that should have read ’ important to him’. hehe

by steelerark on Oct 24, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also meant to say

that I finally got to read all the comments on the Eli vs. Ben articles. Great stuff from Blitz as usual. I wanted to say that reading all that, I really respect your opinions cjmulrain. That’s what I love about this site and SBN, its a great way to meet real, dedicated football fans.

by steelerark on Oct 24, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

I usually pop in a comment or two on the opposing teams blogs each week, but you guys are great to debate with – definitely the smartest/most respectful fanbase we’ve come across this season or last, so I’ve been having a hard time tearing myself away. Plus, I had a paper due this morning so I had to find a way to procrastinate, and this was as good as any!

by cjmulrain on Oct 24, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Echo ark

Yeah, I would agree with steelerark. Your comments have been excellent. In fact, all of the Giants’ fans on here have been best opposition fans I’ve ever seen online. It almost makes me want to adopt the Giants as my second team, but I’ve already got to pull for the Falcons, since I live Atlanta (and all my in-laws are Falcons fans). Still hate the Braves, though. Maybe if they suck a couple more years I’ll get over that. :)

Anyway, started to babble there. Thanks cjmulrain and other Giants fans for the good discussion this week.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 24, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Violence and character

I actually posted this comment in one of the posts yesterday – but thought it was much more appropriate for the discussion here. Its about my struggles between being a football fan and a Ghandi fan. Seemed appropriate. I also wrote prior to the Holmes suspension but I stand by it. I still think that the Steelers are a character driven team.

My post from yesterday:

Its really interesting, I’ve always had a hard time explaining to many of my friends and my girlfriend why I LOVE football. Although I served in the army (Israeli Army) and understand the need for honorable and dedicated people to serve their country (I am very proud of TMVT – for what he’s just accomplished) – at heart I believe very much in non-violence – as it was taught by Ghandi. I think that human beings are too quick to anger, violence and war and too slow to compassion.

And yet, I love watching Troy, Siverback and Fines Ward play the game. I love the integrity, passion and sportsmanship they bring to it. These guys are not looking to hurt anyone (I really do believe that’s true of all of them, even Silverback) they are looking to play a tough game with excellence.

I also love how passionate and for the most part nice the fan base is for the Steelers. I’ve watched in bars all over the country and for the most part met decent, kind caring folks, who really watched the game. I find SBN to be a treat because people are not only passionate, but thoughtful, intelligent and curious.

Of course, like any where else in life there are people, who due to some lack of security, self-worth, fear or something feel the need to be assholes.

Se7ens rant against Hispanic people on the Giants site comes to mind. It reminds me of many people I met who thought their was something funny about saying stupid racist shit. I am really not sure what its about (ignorance, fear?) but I think it has something to do with a really stupid and cowardly way to try to prove your manhood.

Which brings me back to football. Football played the right way is a chance for people to really test their mettle, to step up and be men. Its a brutal game, and their are many other ways to step up and be a man in this world that don’t involve wearing a helmet and shoulder pads, but no one can deny that the game is, week in week out a test of character and will.

For this reason I loved reading RickVA’s brilliant piece about his time on the Temple team. You could tell how meaningful it was for him to struggle to make that team and prove himself in the face of all of the obstacles.

So yes there are fans out there who cheer wildly when an opposing player gets hurt, talk stupid meaningless and angry shit, get into drunk fights etc. There are also players out there who take cheap shots, have enormous egos and probably wouldn’t blink about doing violence to other people outside of the game.

But for the most part they do not define the game. For the most part the game is defined by sportsmanship, teamwork and character.

I also think we are very lucky to have a team whose ownership, coaches and most of its players think that character is the first and most important ingredient in building a team. I would say that is also true of the Giants.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 24, 2008 10:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome Buddha

On the field, like in life there is good, bad and admirable.

Also thanks for your time protecting your part of the “free world”. (props to TMVT too!) I would really like to chat about your time with the IDF and some of your world views one of these days. (Maybe on the road over beers after a thrilling Steelers victory)

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by 5020 on Oct 24, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would be happy to chat about it

I am in philly – come down to the Fox and Hound any time you are here.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 24, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

feeling you

i got similar issues with violence. Love the Steelers, mostly for their hard-hitting D and classy organization. They seem to get it in general, Treat people with respect, even if you are in competition with them.

Unfortunately, I do not think this is really the norm anymore. Fair play and respect for your fellow humans has declined, definitely in the USA in the last 20+ years.

As with everything, the NFL mirrors our culture. Despite it being a team game, increasingly players are out for themselves, and are admired mostly for their marketability (at least by much of the media). They care not for the employees, only as much as they will make them money, the fans too. TV money is so important, the NFL wants to sanitize it, so it fits in with mainstream culture, and fits in with the views of the most number of people possible, not necessarily in line with what most dedicated fans think (who are in the minority).

by tkired on Oct 25, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

“Fines” Ward…that’s amazing?

Also, I’m sorry if I missed something major, but what did TMVT just do?

by Romain El 82 on Oct 25, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy Crap

TMVT, congrats/best of luck man.

Also, I meant that to be that’s amazing! with an exclamation point after it, instead of a question mark. My bad.

by Romain El 82 on Oct 26, 2008 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Turning into Arena Football

I feel like we’re seeing the general tendencies of trying to make this into more and more of an offense league that doesn’t see real hitting or defense. Scoring drives ratings right?

It makes me feel kinda hopeless as I’m not willing to boycott, I love the game too much.

If safety is the issue and the reason is because of the speed and quality of athlete then allow for bigger rosters and ban more substances that allow the human body to get beyond normal conditions.

Part of the blame has to fall on the media for their attraction to stars. It’s interesting because for big-time fans we care about the stars but it’s fun to see how much attention people like Danny Kreider gets. We care about the little guys because often they have as much, or more heart then the stars. But the media inundates us with talk of Brett Favre Brett Favre Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc… So when any injuries happen to these players it affects ratings because the focus is that the game is all about them. When the reality is that the game is about every player on the field doing their job. This makes the league nervous about injuries as that affects marketability. There’s not much that can be done though, as it’s gone to far. Peter King will always only know so much about each team so he’ll focus on what he knows.

I really hope that the NFLPA hires someone mean, strong, and smart to lead them. I think the league needs serious counter-balance to Goodell. He’s not getting enough push back from the league right now.

by Chicago Steeler on Oct 24, 2008 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

great comments...

Israeli Army huh? That’s wild. Would love to hear some stories sometime. So this Sevens guy came at Hispanics, eh? My wifes a stupidly gorgeous Dominican (yeah, I’m waaayyy outta my league), and I think I’ll check out what he had to say and let her read it. Heh, racism. Didn’t we have a guy on here talking about Tomlin being black? I think it was here. Some people amaze me.

by steelerark on Oct 24, 2008 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

SteelerBuddha just did it for the israeli army ladies, and for that he can’t be blamed.

by steelguy99 on Oct 24, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Se7ens

was mouthing off about hispanics in the Giants forum. Really making friends over there.

“that makes you worse than a guido. and the only thing worse than a guido is a spick greaseball.”

A two for one right?

The nice part was how many Giants fans pointed out that this dude was very different than the rest of BTSC.

Happy to share stories at some point – not that mine are that dramatic – l was in a desk job because of medical issues, but I thought it was important to serve.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 24, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it good

that I don’t know what half of these insults mean?

by Romain El 82 on Oct 25, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent write up

I think my thing with the blind sided hits is this, it should be the players job to look around.

If you drove with your eyes closed, and a car plows into you, are we going to sue that car just because you werent looking. Should we say “well you should have avoided him since he wasnt looking”

Also, i do miss the TD celebrating. I think it is so retarded that they stripped that out. They should have just slapped a time limit, say 10-15 seconds. I hate Chad, but he was funny!

by Mechem on Oct 24, 2008 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff

I was thinking of doing a similar post. I’m just glad Hines, and the Steelers, seem to be making a concerted stand against the watering down of the NFL. This might be the last great thing Art Rooney can do league-wide.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Oct 24, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Celebrations

I don’t think it’s either good or sporting to see players turning scoring a touchdown into something with more dancing and jumping around than a Broadway musical. If I wanted to watch all that jumping around,I’d tune in to Dancing With The Stars.
What ever happened to a player simply dropping the ball,or tossing it to a ref after he scored? Acting like a professional who had been there before. You still see that somewhat,but not enough…
It’s supposed to be NFL football,not Star Search. Excessive celebrations detract from the game.

by rissaldar on Oct 24, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Steelerark

Great writeup. I almost always agree with your comments on here. This was another example. Thanks for getting those Youtube examples to highlight exactly how hypocritical the league has become in this respect. We’ll see what happens, but this meeting this week may have brought it to a close, I hope.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 24, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gread read and the Jack-Nut from Baltimore

Call me crazy, but I may have just figured it out… The jack-nut from Baltimore is jealous. He so bad wants to be part of the Steeler tradition, but he knows a ME ME person will never wear Black n Gold. Check out this great read:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80be6bbc&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

by CradleTOgraveSteeler on Oct 24, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hines blind side?

It makes me mad hearing that. For proof that Hines blocks whoever is infront of him (not based on what direction they are facing) check out “Hines blocks Ed Reed” (or anything close to that) on youtube. Reed runs right into him front to front and gets leveled…….

Kind of surprised to hear Lewis say that about Mendenhall. I’ve never been a big fan of him but I thought he had a little more class than that.

Great read by the way, this should be posted on NFL.com…………somehow.

by shleeve on Oct 24, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good reading

This is a great article. I really liked that you put enough evidence on the guys complaining.

Thanks!

by MexicoIsSteelersCountryToo on Oct 24, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Every generation has one

My generation of Steeler fan had the Mel Blount rule….this one will have the Hines Ward rule. Every so often the NFL trys to take down those big, mean Steelers by creating rules that limit the aggressive play of our team. First by targeting Mel for clobbering receivers and now Hines for laying out DBacks and Linebackers. Funny how things change, yet remain the same.

Go Steelers, kick some Opie arse!

by OldSchoolSteelersFan on Oct 24, 2008 5:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to BTSC

Glad to have another long time fan aboard!

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 24, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the welcome wagon

But……I see you are also a Wolfpack fan. Alum?

I happen to be an alum of Anybody, Anytime, Anywhere U.

by OldSchoolSteelersFan on Oct 24, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I went to NC State

IIRC, you mean FSU? I’m ready for them to start owning the Gators again. :)

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 25, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NFL stand for Now For Ladies

2012 the NFL will be flag football and no one will watch.

Hines Ward is the only WR that really deserves to be in this league at his position. Name another WR that does not bring any drama to their team just TD’s and blocks that create TD’s. Anyone?

by Phamalu on Oct 24, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How about the...

Nominal Football League
No Fans Left
Neutured Flaccid Limp

by OldSchoolSteelersFan on Oct 24, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THATS IT?!

NFL Network is saying that the Suggs apparently “mispoke” about the bounties on Ward. They (league office) told him to refrain from such comments. I’m hoping I am missing something about this. Ravens are being stupid this year..already taken out 2 rookie RB’s and that’s their mission when they are on the field. Thats like a Senior beating up on a freshman….LAME!

by Silverback92 on Oct 24, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hines stands tall

Enjoyed your comments.

How great after the league fined Hines he tattoos Rivers the very next game! Hines answered the league definitively, letting the league, the fans, and his teammates and coaches know he’s going to keep on playing clean, hard, physical football. Hiens Ward is the definition of a football player, somehow the league needs to preserve that.

Tomlin has described the game as violent, and wanting the Steelers to be the most violent. I think it was a very good thing that the league office sent a couple top representatives to the Steelers office this week and established a line of communication on the subject. Injuries have to be the main issue, hopefully they can find a way to protect the players AND the game.

The Ted Johnson story rips your heart out. No way a 30 something year old should walk away from the game this f’d up. Concussions must be the #1 issue, along with spinal cord injuries. Maybe they can develop better bigger helmets.

by herewegosteelers on Oct 25, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Goodell

is letting the media perception influence his decision making process. As a leader of any kind (be it government, business, etc) you must make decisions without the cloudiness the media adds. Do what is best for the long-term of the organization, not what satisfies the short-term media rush.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Oct 25, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Media

Wouldn’t it be nice if the media just gave us the straight story instead of coloring it based on their agenda? Anyway, that’s a pipe dream, I know.

Congrats, TMVT, on getting into the SEALS program, that you were working on! I know we’ve all been cheering you on, and appreciate your service to the country.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great comments everyone

I still didn’t get my wish about some of Hines more vocal detractors coming out of hiding. There have been a couple guys who I won’t name, kwoog, who have called him several rather nasty names. Just been wondering where they are. Oh, and TMVT… Good luck with the Seals man, that’s pretty friggin cool.

by steelerark on Oct 26, 2008 4:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank You

These are not the days of true football. They are games of a bunch of pansies throwing around the ball. Now I am a little jaded due to the fact the Steelers just “threw” the Giants game, but the holding call that called back the Steelers touchdown pass was utterly ridiculous. Pretty soon the defensive line and offensive lines aren’t going to be able to touch each other. They are gonna have to say. “Go around me” Hines Ward is a true football player who plays the game how it’s meant to be played. He is absolutely awesome to watch. Not like some Terrell Owens wannabe like Plaxico Burress. “Oh no can’t jump up and get it I might get hit. Then I’ll have to skip another practice.” It’s time to bring back the Franco Harris"s of yesterday, and let them make the rules.

by Bweekzzz on Oct 26, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dirty!Dirty!Dirty!

How dare anyone of you put this guy in the same sentance or even compare this guys antics to Ray Lewis. Ray is a first ballot HOF’er. Hines will be lucky to even get on the ballot. He’ll get his when he comes to Baltimore, that is if he decides to play this time!

by ravens on Nov 2, 2008 6:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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