Random Thoughts about the game and current state of the Steelers
Here are a few of my thoughts in no particular order. They may not be insightful but I do think that that most of my thoughts are reasonable, ie not overly reactionary to the Giants loss.
1. This team needs to be somewhat lucky from an injury standpoint from this point forward. We should get some injured guys back in the coming weeks but the team cannot really withstand any more critical injuries, especially if the injury is a season ender.
2. The defense is championship caliber. I'm not saying that it's the greatest defense of all time, but it can do almost everything relatively well. They play the run, they rush the passer, they don't give up too many big plays in the passing game, they play good red zone defense. The only minor quibble I have is that they don't intercept the ball enough.
3. Tomlin deserves some credit for the play of the defense. Many fans wax poetic about Lebeau, but the defense has steadily improved over Tomlin's short tenure. Lebeeau obviously deserves credit, but I believe Tomlin has added to that, and that is Tomlin's background as an assistant coach.
4. On the other hand, I don't blame Tomlin for the struggles of the offense. Tomlin doesn't have an offensive background, so that's not his area of expertise. However, he is responsible for hiring the assistant coaches to implement his vision of offense. I'll be interested to see what he does with Arians and Zierlein this offseason.
5. Tomlin is learning from past mistakes. Last year, I thought Tomlin made some errors in judgement when he played too conservative at times. The most glaring example that fans remember is when he had Ben run wide on 3rd and 6 late in the playoff game last year vs the Jags. At that time, I was really galled because he had made the same mistake against Cleveland at Heinz field late last season. In that game, the Steelers ran up the middle, ran up the middle and then called a qb draw on three successive plays at the end of the game. But since Cleveland missed a late fg attempt to tie the game, many fans might not remember that. However, this year Tomlin has not made those mistakes. At Cleveland, Ben was allowed to rollout on 2nd down late in the game and complete a pass to Miller for a critical first down that helped kill the clock. At Jax, they clearly played for a td at the end of the game instead of settling for a fg attempt. (I do realize that Reed was hurt and that maybe played a part in the strategy.) Yesterday, the Steelers went for it against the Giants on 4th down from the 34 yard line. Although they didn't convert, I believe it was the right call. A score at that juncture may have iced the game.
6. I think Tomlin made the right call in inactivating Holmes yesterday. Although some fans may say that benching Holmes cost us a chance to win yesterday, I believe that it's good in the long run. Teammates need to be able to count on each other, trust each other, and play for each other. That type of cohesiveness can make a tangible difference. When Aaron Smith shows up to play despite what he is going through, it lifts and inspires the team. If Holmes can learn and mature from this incident, then it can bode well both for his career and for the Steelers down the line. Now maybe Holmes doesn't mature from this, but if Tomlin didn't bench him, that would likely only enable similar future behavior.
7. Ward may be slipping skills wise. I can't say for sure because the tv does not show what is transpiring downfield all the time, but I wonder if Ward is able to get consistent separation at this stage of his career. He still has value as a player, but I think he is more of a complementary wr than a top wr now. On a possibly reIated note, Ward tends to drop passes a bit too often now. Before I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but now I think it is a sign of age. I didn't believe that Ward's success several years ago was due to having Plex on the other side, but I do think that Ward needs Holmes on the other side now to draw attention away from him.
8. Can Nate Washington run any intermediate routes well? He is a decent deep threat, but I rarely see him getting open on intermediate routes. Just asking? While I appreciate Nate as a #3, I don't think he is a viable #2 wr.
9. Much is made of Ben holding on to the ball to make a play. But sometimes the replay shows that nobody is open downfield. This is not always the case, but it helps me understand why he holds on to the ball at times.
10. Limas Sweed has a ways to go. The sample size is small, but he needs to get stronger, improve technique and improve his awareness. Now many wr need a year or two before they really make their mark in the NFL. Hopefully Sweed will improve, because this team will need him to step up with Ward declining and Washington set to approach FA.
11. The team needs a downhill runner who can grind out some tough yards. FWP is a good rb and Moore has been a godsend, but does anyone feel relatively confident handing the ball to either of them on 3rd and 2 or less? Maybe Mendenhall can be that guy next year. Even if you don't hand it off on every short yardage play, it helps open up the passing game in those situations.
12. Related to the above two points, Mendenhall and Sweed are going to be important to the team starting next year. They may be as important to our success next year as Timmons and Woodley have been this year.
13. The offensive line is below average, possibly one of the worst in the league. I appreciate Blitzbugh's perspective after the recent loss that the oline isn't as bad as perceived. I also realize that Ben's penchant for holding on to the ball and the wr not getting open contribute to the problem. But to think that the oline is average or better is looking through black and gold colored glasses if you ask me. They give Ben a decent amount of time against teams that are poor at rushing the passer, like Jax and Cincy. But against teams that can generate a pass rush, we are inept at times, especially when they know they don't have to respect the threat of the run, like when we were down 7 yesterday at the end of the game. Maybe it's talent, maybe it's coaching, but it needs to be rectified. Anyway, we fans often think that a team needs to be built around the qb. In our case, if Ben likes to hold on to the ball, then it behooves the Steelers to put an above average pass blocking unit around him.
14. Stapleton has now played for 3.5 games. While he has made some mistakes, I actually think he is already our best pass blocking lineman.
15. With the injuries at rb, the off line issues, Ward aging and Holmes toking, our offense is starting to look like the pre Terrell Davis Elway led Broncos. Those teams had very little talent around Elway and just hoped for him to make a play. That worked in the weak AFC at the time but not against the then superior NFC teams in the Super Bowl. Ben obvioulsy has a better defense but the offense seems to rely on Ben way too much to make plays. And of course, that isn't working too often against the better defenses in the league.
16. The ST coverage units have slipped over the past two games. I'm not sure why. Maybe the personnel has changed and I'm not aware of it. I know Woods has missed the past few games. Does anyone know of other personnel changes?
17. I don't think that bad snap cost us the game yesterday. Even if we get the punt off yesterday, the Giants still would have had good field position. A td there would have put them up 5 instead of 7.
18. And while the defense played great yesterday, we were a bit lucky to limit them in the redzone as much as we did. If these teams were to meet in the Super Bowl, you can't expect those type of defensive results. Therefore, the offense would have to show much more than they did yesterday in order to pull out a W in a rematch.
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What cost us the game
As the aloof Jim Mora said in his infamous "PLAYOFFS?…………….., PLAYOFFS?……………, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT PLAYOFFS? speech nobody can turn the ball over 4 times and expect to win on any level of Football PERIOD!
Every day brings future to past, every breath leaves me one less to my last. DT
by usmcsdi69 on Oct 27, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All very good points. To your number nine point, if the receivers are covered, then Ben needs to throw the ball away, go to a checkdown, or move in the pocket to give his receivers a chance. Ben used to move as soon as he noticed no one was open but now he seems to sit there and wait until first contact, then decide to move. By the time the first guy hits him, there are two or three more waiting to bring him down. His mobility is a surprise to no one now. He needs to move sooner, before the rushers get there, if he wants to give his receivers more time.
by woody71 on Oct 27, 2008 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben throwing four picks
Here is a classic case of overstated data. One pick was on the fourth down play and the Steelers actually gained two yards as opposed to an incomplete pass. Another pick was the final heave which meant absolutely nothing. I believe another pick was tipped. But you hear these national media talking about “Roethlisberger getting intercepted four times” …they have no concept of the context of the game…Another case of statistics not telling the story. I am not defending Ben’s game, but the four picks need to be understood before surface information becomes misleading.
by maryrose on Oct 27, 2008 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
true
Only the first one seemed to be really his fault. The one on 4th down was too, but who gives a crap, it’s a turnover either way, let hines fight for it.
I don’t like throwing that last deep ball to Sweed and not Washington though. Why go to the rookie? But then again, from the looks of it Sweed was getting much less coverage than the other two steelers receivers so maybe I’m an idiot MMQB.
by Chicago Steeler on Oct 27, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Agreed, they have been killing us. Though our backups have done well.
2. Agreed. I can’t be more proud or impressed about that goaline stop yesterday. I mean their O-line combined with Jacobs is deadly and we stuffed them.
3. very good point.
4. True, he has to take some credit for the offense but it is certainly not all on him.
5. He is still learning. People forget that this is only his second year as a head coach and he hasn’t even been in the league all that long. Hes a young coach and will only get better as time goes on.
6. Agreed, as much as we missed him it was the right call. I believe Holmes will learn from this and be fine. In a related note, i liked what Coach Singletary did yesterday with Vernon Davis. Nice to see coaches prove that they are still the captain of the ship.
7. Yea, Wards slipping but it is defiantly the age factor. Nothing you can do about it. Hopefully Sweed develops real fast and we can use Ward as a slot man.
8. I love Nate but it is true that he is no more than a #3. Let me correct you in saying that he is a good deep threat rather than a decent one.
9. If thats the case than he needs to throw the ball away.
10. True. He didn’t look all that confident catching the ball yesterday.
11. I think our running game is fine and will be even better with Mendenhall next season. I don’t believe we HAVE to have a downhill runner.
12. Time will tell.
13. I agree with Blitz more but you made some good points. Our o-line is ok, but Ben does put them in bad spots. But at the same time you are right about us needed to build around Ben. Stapleton seems to do a good job of pass blocking as well as Hartwig but I think the rest consistently struggle. Ben may hold the ball too long but hes also the most important player on the field, build around him.
14. Yea, I agree. He has impressed me actually and should be the starter for next year.
15.I think we are looking like the Giants of last year. They went through major problems with their Defense in the first half of the season. We are doing that with our Offense. Can we turn it around like they did? Tune in.
16. I’m not sure. But maybe since our backups who usually play on special teams are having to play on offense and defense as well therefore they are getting to tired.
17. I didn’t help certainly but it didn’t cost us the game. That being said though are D may have held them to a field goal or absolutely nothing, you never know.
18. If we face this team again I like our chances…assuming we are healthy.
by shleeve on Oct 27, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
with respect to #9
I think steeler1275 hit it right on the head there. We have SO many plays where nobody gets open. You can see it when they show replays from certain angles. On plays where we have guys get open quickly, Ben gets rid of the ball quickly. Ben also dumps down to Moore with regularity now, when Moore is actually running a route. I don’t like taking sacks on 1st and 2nd down, because then we have zero chance of picking up the first down. But on 3rd down, I’m okay with him holding onto the ball and taking extra sacks for the possibility of picking up more first downs on plays where guys get open late. It would be interesting to examine plays where he holds it for too long and see whether they come on 3rd down more often than 1st and 2nd down.
by houksyndrome on Oct 28, 2008 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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1. The injuries have been a hindrance to our team thus far. I may get some backlash to this thought but I actually prefer M.Moore’s style than FWP. Everyone claims that FWP can break the long one every time he touches the ball, but has he done that? It seems to me that FWP has a long, Larry Johnson type stride. M.Moore has a B.Westbrook type stride which is very benefits him tremendously, plus Moore is and should be used more as Big Ben’s check down receiver.
2. McFadden is stepping up to be a very good corner. Ike Taylor still needs some work. Should be a nickel defender with Townsend back in the starting spot, but as you say, lack of holding onto interceptions is a problem. I also feel like at times, we need to send the house like teams do to us. The Giants Oline handled Woodley and Harrison pretty well. We need Timmons, Farrior, Foote, maybe some cb blitzes mixed in as well.
4. Fire every offensive personal as soon as possible. Find a QB coach that will get along with Big Ben but can help him elevate to the next level. Find an OC that can run the spread offense effectively.
7,8,10. Someone needs to be able to go across the middle besides from Hines Ward. All of our receivers are sideliners, either we use Heath Miller and Spaeth more in the middle or we need another receiver who is willing to work the middle of the field.
13,14. I Stapleton and Hartwig are doing their jobs. Colon needs to go inside and Starks needs to go outside. Point Blank
by SteelCityDefense on Oct 28, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ike is underutilized
Ike Taylor is a much much better corner than he displays in the standard zone defense. He is a man to man corner and Lebeau does not run that kind of defense. Every time I see Ike ten yards or more off of a receiver I get upset. He is too fast and too physical to be used so sparingly. I would like to see him man up on the other team’s best receiver and let the rest of the D play zone. Like we used to do with Woodson. I may be wrong and he does play alot of man coverage, so if I am please tell me.
by woody71 on Oct 28, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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