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Tyrone Carter's the Logical Choice at Free Safety Against the Redskins

I am pleased to welcome Neal Coolong to BTSC. Neal formerly authored the popular fan site Die Hard Steel. He also writes on occassion for SteelCityInsider.com, Jim Wexell's pay site. And his columns and blurbs can be found on RealFootball365.com.  With cgolden now busy with his already successful Cardinals site, Revenge of the Birds, it's nice to have another person helping out. And Neal's as accomplished and accessible a writer as you'll find out there, which I have no doubt you'll quickly see. As always, feel free to email me at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with any questions, concerns, suggestions you may have, or if you simply want to write something on the main page yourself and first want to talk it over. More the merrier, but for now, BTSC is quite lucky to have Neal jump aboard as we navigate through this wild and crazy 2008 season. Please join me in welcoming him. -Blitz-

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I was at a Buffalo Wild Wings in Columbus, Ohio, watching the Steelers lose 21-14 to the Giants Sunday. I was surrounded by a few business travelers like myself, chomping on chicken wings, quietly rooting for our respective teams - Seattle, San Francisco, Buffalo, Houston, Cleveland, to name a few.

After a completion down the middle of the field to previously silenced Plaxico Burress, Dick Stockton said "...And safety Tyrone Carter on the coverage."

I leaned over to the Buffalo fan sitting next to me and said "I grew up mostly in Minnesota, watching Tyrone Carter play. I've seen every snap he's taken as a Steeler. I've never heard a positive play end with the broadcaster saying 'Ty Carter on the coverage.'"

He laughed. I sighed.

So what to do now that starter Ryan Clark has been listed as doubtful for Monday night's showdown with the 6-2 Washington Redskins (Clark's former team)? Go with Carter, who has clear limitations? Or is it time to give Anthony Smith another shot? This particular matchup may be a better fit for Carter than it is for our other replacement candidate, Anthony Smith.

The 5-foot-8 Carter has been a solid back-up free safety in his time in Pittsburgh, and is aggressive in his run support. His pass defense...well, you can't teach height, and giving up nine inches to Burress is a fairly significant disadvantage.

You can teach a defensive back to not bite on a double-move or gadget play, though, and it's a lesson Anthony Smith didn't bother to learn last season.

Washington's main threat through the air is 5-foot-9 Santana Moss. Their No. 2 guy, former Steeler Antwaan Randle-El, isn't any bigger than 5-foot-9. Moss is averaging 15 yards a catch this season with seven touchdowns. Steelers fans know full-well Randle-El's ability on gadget plays.

While Smith has more physical tools than Carter does, and both are generally seen as aggressive players, Carter's veteran savvy makes him a more viable option for the run-heavy-set-up-the-deep-ball Redskins. Smith is bigger, but Carter is less susceptible to the double-move, and Washington doesn't have a significant height advantage outside the numbers.

What they do have, though, is a deadly efficient quarterback. Jason Campbell is the only starter in the NFL not to have thrown an interception at this point, and his numbers are eerily similar to what Jacksonville quarterback David Garrard had going into their Week 14 game last season.

Garrard hit Dennis Northcutt on a 55-yard touchdown pass off a double-move in the second quarter of that game. Anthony Smith on the coverage...

It makes perfect sense for Washington - a team led on the ground by Clinton Portis and his 5.1 yards per carry - to set up the big play like Jacksonville did last year by running the ball, and waiting for their opportunity to use Moss's speed against Smith's tendency to play the run. The Steelers pass rush may not have yielded a sack against New York, but they provided plenty of pressure, and the Redskins' offensive line is not as good as the Giants.

The Steelers will miss Ryan Clark. But if he's not in there, Carter makes the most sense as the deep safety. The run defense can contain Portis without the safety five yards off the ball. What the Steelers can't contain, though, is Moss getting behind him deep.

So maybe my streak will be broken, and I'll hear "Carter on the coverage" and not see a jubilant Moss or Randle-El on the receiving end of a big pass play.

 

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agree with the prcticality of the logic

BUT, I think An Smith is overdue for another opportunity and I’ll say it, Tyrone Carter has played pretty shitty football for as long as I can remember now. At about 900k a year, hes worth every penny, but I think Smith brings more to the table and I have faith hes learned something this offseason and this year having to watch from the sidelines.

by Blitzburgh on Oct 29, 2008 10:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tyrone Carter

I agree with you; I don’t recall that many plays where Carter and Hooray were in the same sentence. That said, your logic makes sense to me. Seems he can match up well. I think my only concern with Carter is that he tends to feel a need to prove his manhood all the time, leading to potentially disasterous penalties.

by tenthmtnman on Oct 29, 2008 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Cool!

I am not a 23 fan but agree he is probably the best choice. Heard Tomlin is giving A Smith some reps in practice as a possibility. It would be great for Steelers football to see 27 step up and become a player.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 29, 2008 10:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff, Neal -- Welcome to BTSC

Picking a starter between Carter and Smith is liking picking a broken foot or a torn ACL, either way your on crutches.

Whoever they go with, I hope they stress every single day that their job is to cover deep. Tell them that we can handle the run without you and if we see you within 15 yards of the original line of scrimmage, we’re going to fine you. Don’t bite on play fake or double moves. Your job isn’t to make a tackle on a slant route or a 7 yard run, it’s to prevent a WR from scoring a 50 yd TD.

by cgolden on Oct 29, 2008 10:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Carter is the best fit right now. Anthony Smith has better physical tools but he’s too easily fooled by play action. My only gripe with Ty Carter is that he’s always a step or two slow to the play. Either player is a pretty big drop-off from Clark.

I know this would probably never happen, but I would like to see Troy moved to FS and Anthony Smith put in at SS. Troy has the range to play center field, and he’s smart enough to stay deep on PAP. I think this scenario could offer less of a drop in overall defensive production.

by JHolmes on Oct 29, 2008 10:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not a terrible idea

Troy isn’t the kind of egotistical player that would object to a move if it helped the team. It would be against his nature to ‘play it safe’ but I bet he could handle it better than Carter or Smith.

by cgolden on Oct 29, 2008 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

was thinking similarly

Let Smith play but orient your packages so that he’s more in a dog zone where he isn’t as responsible for the over the top coverage, but more lurking in the middle reading the QB. This would allow him to jump on routes and such and push Troy deeper.

This limits our run support from Troy, but with how well our front 7 are playing and An. Smith’s own fierce tackling, I’m fine with it.

I’ve seen enough Ty Carter missing tackles. Let’s move on.

by Chicago Steeler on Oct 29, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Troy as FS

It is a COA that should be seriously evaluated. Clearly, placing Troy at FS would solve all the FS issues [concerns that using Carter and Smith create]. However, if the increase in FS efficiency large enough to replace the drop in SS play with Troy at FS. It has been commented on before by several pundits—Troy is seemingly everywhere. The other night, I watched the pile untangle and was totally surprised to see Troy at the bottom. Burned once? Or death by a thousand cuts? I think it is something to experiment with, either for a short period during the game or even occasionally without the opponent knowing if and when.

by tenthmtnman on Oct 29, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the drop in run support with AS up in the box would be much less than the drop in coverage with AS or Ty Carter at FS. Having Troy at FS could possibly be an upgrade over Clark (in time), and I think AS brings a lot of the same physical tools to the table as Troy.

But, there is a good chance that 25 will only miss 1-2 games, so for the quick fix I think you have to look at simply subbing in AS or Ty. This defense is so good, you don’t want to get caught tinkering around with it’s parts too much unless necessity dictates. If Clark were lost for a more significant amount of time I would think differently.

by JHolmes on Oct 29, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The other bonus to trying Troy at FS, at least for a game, is the opponent wouldn’t know what to think.

by steelguy99 on Oct 29, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you should add this to the list that has gradually developed over the years at BTSC as potentially good ideas that the steelers will never try.

by steelguy99 on Oct 29, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would give Smith the chance

Sure, he definitely deserved his bench warming duties last year with some big play mistakes. But I still think he’s a great prospect player and has a solid chance to become at least a solid starter in this league. I’m sure he learned his lesson and is itching to get back on the field and prove his worth. The only thing good I can say about about Carter besides he’s a veteran, is he’s good on run support. But when it comes to big pass plays, I think our best bet would be Smith.

by retribution990 on Oct 29, 2008 11:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I have a feeling that LeBeau will rotate Smith and Carter during the game depending on situation. I hope Smith has learned his lessons and can step up.

On Clark – that was a helluva a hit in the Giants game. Wow!! Smith can set that kind of tone for this game.

by TomlinEra on Oct 29, 2008 11:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Clark may not be the biggest guy on the field, but he can lay out some hits better than most of them.

by retribution990 on Oct 29, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would go with Smith

for one reason. He would’ve made it to the sideline to break up the pass play to Toomer on that 4th down play. So would Clark. Carter’s feet were stuck in the mud. Agree if we play Smith we may have to drop someone else back (like Troy) to make up for his over aggressiveness, but then again, maybe he’s learned. Either way, it’s not Carter’s height that ever bothered me, it’s his lack of speed, and Moss and Randle El will really exploit that this week.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Oct 29, 2008 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely agree

Smith would have gotten to the sideline and knocked the clothing label off of Armani Toomer. Tyronne Carter and his 5.4 forty speed is going to kill us. Please stop with the run support issue, this is the same dude that let Garard go for 32 yars on 4th and 6th.

Plus, check the game tape and his lack of blocking on kick returns. He hasn’t anyone yet and we’re complaining about dooky!!!. The next block Carter throws will be his first.

by 72Steeler on Oct 29, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the site!

Looking forward to reading more.

by Chicago Steeler on Oct 29, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a shame B-Mac is hurt too

or I’d be clamoring for Townsend at FS.

by cgolden on Oct 29, 2008 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone has always thought it’d be amusing to see Timmons as a 2nd CB…

by steelguy99 on Oct 29, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vote for Smith

I think you got to try the guy for two reasons:
1. He’s got the tools: He’s big, strong and fast and he hits like McGwire on Steroids.
2. Now is the time to find out if he has learned the game or not.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 29, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can someone explain why....

the Steelers haven’t taken another look at Ryan Mundy? I know he didn’t get alot of playing time this preseason because of a high ankle sprain, but he was an inteeligent player in college and has more physical ability than Carter and Smith. Maybe the coaches thought he was too laxed in his desire to get back on the field or maybe they just liked the other guys better. In the only PS game he played in (Philly), he was where he was supposed to be and he made a couple plays in limited action.

 Out of Carter and Smith, I think Anthony Smith has to be the guy to step up if he’s ever going to have a career worth remembering. He reminds me of James Harrison when he first came into the league, a fiery competitor that lacked discipline. I would hope the coaches and fellow DB’s thought enough of Anthony as a person th realize what he could be as a player. Tyrone Carter is a better SS than FS. He is excellent on run support but a shutter to think of him as our last line of defense. He IS more disciplined than AS but he’s not going to hold opponents from converting 3rd downs on him with any kind of consistency.

I appreciate your point of view, but Anthony Smith has to be our guy if we are to remain effective as a defense.

by UNCsteeler on Oct 29, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I like the comparison to James Harrison – watching Brady’s head bounce between Harrison’s and Smith’s was one of the only positives of that game.

by buddytoledo on Oct 29, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

think i agree too

ceilings just too low with carter. Wtih Smith, theres at least a chance he responds and plays like he did against Seattle or Cincy last year.

by Blitzburgh on Oct 30, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith

should get the nod. If it were up to me, I would cut Carter…he’s garbage! Smith deserves another chance. It wasnt long ago that he was battling for the starting job with Clark; let’s see what the kids got once and for all.

by Steeler Ric on Oct 29, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No way you cut carter. We want four safeties on the roster and he is very cheap.

by steelguy99 on Oct 29, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both have their pros and cons but I'd have to go with...

Smith. And the reason for that is speed alone. Carter is just to slow to keep up with Randle El or Moss (and his reaction time doesn’t help either).

I’ve never been a Carter hater but he just lacks the physical skills to keep up with the Redskins receivers. However, since he is slow to react to plays and fairly conservative I think he wouldn’t get beat too often but if he does there is no chance to recover. I like his attitude, he will talk trash and hit someone hard but no more than Smith.

Smith has better speed, hitting power, and catching ability. However, he is more susceptible to double moves and play action but with the way our LBs play I think the pressure should be there to prevent the receivers from being able to pull off too many moves. And the play action doesn’t worry me because in order for that to work your run game has to work, and I’m convinced we can stop Portis with our front 7.

I don’t think either would be a dangerous pick for us but I’d just prefer Smith.

by shleeve on Oct 29, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anthony Smith, without a doubt

Anthony Smith is the whipping boy for the Patriots destroying the Pittsburgh Steelers as a whole. Tom Brady threw 46 times without a pass rusher ever getting near to him?! Randy Moss made more safeties look foolish than any wide receiver in history. True, Smith brought it on with his guarantee, but that doesn’t affect whether he should play now.

In the Jags game, Ike seemed to be jogging on Northcutt’s big play. The following day, we hear that Ike may be injured. If Smith wasn’t the scapegoat the week before, Ike would have been blamed for that play. In addition, Smith is so fast and good that he is in the play, which increases the chance that he will be blamed. There was a very similar play to Northcutt in the playoff game, but Ike wasn’t jogging and he knocked down the ball. Tyrone Carter was 10 or 15 yards away from the play.

But other than those two games (and Smith did have an interception in the Jags game), Smith was an integral part in a completely shut-down pass defense that allowed only one deep pass all season outside the Patriots and Jaguars games. There weren’t any concerns from anybody about Smith being too aggressive in the other 6 games. All I remember is people talking about how hard he hit Housh.

And despite what you’re reading in the Post-Gazette, the pass defense didn’t drop off when Clark went out. In the first six games when Ryan Clark was the free safety, the Steelers pass defense held the opposing team to an average of 35 yards less than that teams net passing yards average. When Anthony Smith was the free safety, the Steelers pass defense held to opponents to 50 yards less than their season average. Even if you get rid of the mud bowls against the Dolphins and Bungles, the pass defense still held the other team to 42 less yards than average. That doesn’t seem like a drop off to me.

Anthony Smith is a player. Yeah, he made a couple mistakes last year, for a second year player getting his first shot starting. Troy Polamulu, Hines Ward, James Harrison, Mike Tomlin – they all have made a couple mistakes in their careers too. We shouldn’t let Smith’s mistakes overshadow all that he did last year and all that he could do this year.

by buddytoledo on Oct 29, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone have any stats on Anthony Smith’s play last year (or guesses)? For example, how many times was he beat deep on play-action or off of double moves?

I ask this because the only knock against Smith is his susceptibility to these two things. I think everyone clearly remembers the Patriots-Guarantee-This-Asshole game, but how many other instances of this exploitation were there?

by steelguy99 on Oct 30, 2008 10:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point

I can only remember the two in the Pats game.

by JHolmes on Oct 30, 2008 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all remember the Pats game

but besides that Smith didn’t have a bad year. I don’t have the stats but I remember that he didn’t do all that bad for a DB that had cover with no pass rush against the QB.

by shleeve on Oct 30, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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