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Big Ben's Size & Strength... A Drawback?

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One of the things said during the game last night caught my attention and I thought was more note worthy than the attention it was given. Later in the game the announcers were saying how Big Ben is the most contacted quarterback in the league, and the numbers weren't close. According to NBC's staff Ben gets hit by rushers on 1/3 of his drop backs, compared to 1/4 by the second most qb. Now I know a lot of that is due to our o-lines sporadic play and Ben holding on to the ball for what sometimes seems like minutes at a time, but just here me out on this.

Is it possible that with Ben's obvious strength in the pocket, his ability to shrug off hits like very few quarter backs before him, and his size, that perhaps he isn't thought of in the same category as the rest of the NFL's qb's. Maybe the officials don't treat him like porcelain and glass that needs to be bubble wrapped and protected the way most qb's are treated.

Ben gets hit so much and so often that maybe he's not protected the way he should be. We all saw Shaun Rogers hit Ben a handful of times late, up helmet high or knock him to the ground well after the throw, and that happens on a regular basis, game in game out. I guess this brings me to the point of this post, and I never thought I'd say this because I hate the way most qb's are protected from contact, but should Big Ben get more roughing the passer calls?  To be hit as much as he is, as often as he is I would think that he would have more than he does, at least to my recollection (which I will also admit isn't the greatest). Is his size and strength something that would make officials look away at what could be more contact than they think due to Ben's ability to absorb and get right back up from consistent punishment by defensive players.

Maybe I'm just worried about our franchise quarterback and the mint that was broke when the Rooney's re-signed him or maybe there is something to this. I know this was kind of long, and I'll try to shorten my next rant. Let me know what you think or if there are some numbers to back me up or prove me wrong.

 

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you could be right. but there are other factors that contribute to that stat being as high as it is (the amount of hits he takes).

1. he holds onto the ball too long (the steelers don’t often play a dink and dunk style of passing offense)

2. we face baltimore twice a year. i’ll bet carson palmer and derek anderson are pretty high on that list, too.

3. look at the numbers of time of possession during ben’s time as starting qb. i’ll bet we are one of the top teams. that means we have the ball more. that means we run more offensive plays. that means he has more opportunities to be hit than other qbs.

4. we are better at run blocking than pass protecting.

5. we have been a running team, which means we are often content to run it on first and second down, and then pass on third down. this has often left us with third and longs. when teams know you are going to pass, they can tee-off on you.

those are just some of my thoughts…

...die trying

by agentorange on Oct 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT   1 recs

+1

all good points

by schnifin on Oct 6, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks

All great points. I would like to say that even a difference in time of possesion won’t totally explain the wide gap of qb hits, but it helps, definately.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Oct 6, 2008 4:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Correction...

We SUCK at pass blocking

by PsycoSalameh on Oct 6, 2008 5:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ben is just playing to his strength...

It’s a bit like asking why Mike Komisarek had more hits and blocked shots than any other NHL defenseman last season. It was size, strength, and the willingness to put himself in harm’s way, that got Mike to the top level, and it is what will keep him there and allow him to grow rich.

by robert ethan on Oct 6, 2008 5:25 PM EDT   0 recs

Let it be

The more pressure I see going after Ben, the better I see him at shrugging off defenders, getting out of the pocket, and looking downfield to make big plays. Last nights completion to Hines while Ben had 3 defenders on top of him was unbelievable. All arm strength for an 18 yrd pass. I can’t see another QB in this league that can do that. He won’t stop looking for the play. He deserves all the praise in the world for that. Just know guys that the more pressure he gets the sharper he’ll become at getting free and making the plays downfield. Our OL will come as the weeks progress.

by SoCalSteelerFan on Oct 6, 2008 5:45 PM EDT   0 recs

+1

that play was quite unbelievable

by PsycoSalameh on Oct 6, 2008 5:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Another thing they said

they also said that Big Ben had told them before the game, that he felt he could shrug of linebackers, and get away from the blitz. knowing that, i have more confidence in him. ( not saying that i didn’t have any in him before ) i had a 95% confidence in him until the moment he said that, he just bumped it into a 110%. it takes guts to say your not afraid of the blitz, especially when you have Ray Lewis and Shaun Rogers on you every other play.

by PsycoSalameh on Oct 6, 2008 5:56 PM EDT   0 recs

he's a different breed of qb

no one likes to see their $100 million qb hit so much, but, that is the type of player ben is. he needs to be contacted, he needs to move around in the pocket…he feeds off of it. can he take the hits? it appears so. i think its us fans that can’t take the hits. the oline played much better last night against a very, very physical defense…but a lot of the hits were because ben holds the ball. and he will continue to hold the ball, because he KNOWS that can make a play. and if he can’t throw the ball and make a play, he knows that he can run to make a play.

that style of play might get him killed, but it might also take us to tampa come february, and eventually put him in canton.

by NoCal-SteelCity on Oct 6, 2008 7:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Ben

makes the O-line look bad at times. Now granted there are times where blitzers are coming untouched, but there are also times where ben has plenty of time and refuses to check down or throw the ball away.

by SteelerDomination on Oct 7, 2008 3:11 AM EDT   0 recs

In games against good blitzing defenses, I think that’s the exception rather than the rule. When pass rushers get to the QB a split second after the ball, there aren’t many options. I’ve been meaning to watch for this specific situation and compare the numbers of times Ben holds out too long vs times Simmons (or insert name of lineman here) gets caught tying his shoe or running back from the hot dog stand at the snap. But I’m so bad at watching details like that during Steelers games cuz half the time I’m running around with my towel. Maybe if someone who is more level headed during the games could watch for these details, that would be an interesting stat.

Brandona

by PrimantisStillersNAt on Oct 7, 2008 3:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he still bleeds...

…like any other man. He will not play 10 years in the league if this continues. He may not last this season if he takes one unfortunately hit.

As I posted elsewhere, Ben needs to release the ball sooner to ensure he has a Marino-like career in terms of duration. There are also a lot of other plays they can run to take the pressure off (e.g., bootlegs and rollouts) the struggling O-line. Last year, Tomlin stated that he’d play FWP until the wheels fell off. Well, they did. This year, many are saying Big Ben taking hits is a good trade-off for the big plays he makes. That could be another unfortunate decision. Time will tell, but if Ben is sidelined lots of people will be looking at the could-haves and should-haves that the coaching staff could and should be implementing now. I for one think more can be done to protect Pittsburgh’s $100M investment.

by ec on Oct 7, 2008 12:17 PM EDT   0 recs

Agreed

That was my point in a nutshell. Thanks.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Oct 7, 2008 1:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

When marion barber was asked if he would have a long career if he kept seeking contact like he did, he responded in a paraphrase: I’m doing very well with the way I play and I’m not going to change the way I play so that I can play longer.

Like it or not, Ben probably will not have a long career. If he does, he probably won’t have a great career. I’d love him to have both, but right now he doesn’t have it in him to be a different QB than he is. If we only have him for 10 years lets hope the rest of them are great.

by steelguy99 on Oct 8, 2008 11:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Still learning

Even though Ben seems like a distinguished league vet, he still needs more growth in his understanding of the position and the game. First and foremost among the areas I would like to see him grw is recognition of a saveable versus non-saveable play. I have found myself being able to see the plays developing and can see the big hits coming. I would say Ben still sees to many plays as saveable, thus holding the ball and getting blasted.

Second, I would like to see him become more Manning-like in his calling out of the protection schemes, and audible out of plays likely to fail when the blitz or coverage dictates. That type of recognition is what has set Peyton apart from the rest of the league, and kept him healthy. The only place to get this knowledge is the film room. Somebody get him a cot!

"Steeler Nation= We are better than you!"

by il_steeler_fan on Oct 7, 2008 2:02 PM EDT   0 recs

Agreed

We all forget that Ben is still so young. This is only his fifth season in the NFL. He will mature and develop and learn to use his checkdowns and how to read defenses. This season is one of those seasons a young QB has that could change the way he plays a game and add to his development. Let’s just hope that he can still play when everything finally does click for him.

by woody71 on Oct 7, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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