More Worried Than Ever
I think I'm in the minority here. And I'm not usually a hater, so don't take this the wrong way, but that game left a bad taste in my mouth. For all the offense was more productive it sure seemed the most production still happened when Ben was running the No Huddle and calling his own plays. In the 3rd quarter we went back to huddling and running patterns for a long time that produced nothing. Not a single first down. It was back to:
1st Down: Run up the gut (where we can not get push to save our lives)
2nd and 9: 7 step drop, Heath Miller stays in to block (even though he was a monster in the passing game and could not be stopped going through the middle).
3rd and 9: (see 2nd down)
4th - At least our coverage units are much improved.
Perhaps I'm off as I don't have DVR these days I couldn't go back and review it closely. I think Ben's making better decisions on the whole but I'm not sure if he's being given the best opportunity to win by his OC. Look Ben's comfortable in this offensive system, but the play calling is not helping him. The quality of weapons on this team mean that they need to be many more quick strike plays till the defense gets back on its heels and then strike for the throat and or deeper balls. As mentioned above, I think Heath needs to run his routes. I know we need help blocking up front but can't we just 3 step drop to heath in the middle? The jags weren't rushing 7. Let our 5 line and 1 RB take care of their rushers and let one of our best weapons move the chains.
Where's the gadgets? I'm not saying they have to happen overly much like the dolphins are running, but one-two a game? I saw some amazing stuff out of Dennis Dixon this preseason and I'd like to at least have him trotted out on the field to scare the defenses into reacting.
As Tomlin says Ben loves having the keys to the car. Why not give them to him? The whole offense has played well, nay better, when he's calling the plays in the no huddle. Let him drive till he crashes (preferably while wearing a helmet this time). We're paying him Manning kind of money let's give him Manning responsibility. Most of the best QBs of the past and present get to call their own plays. Till I can see that Ben doesn't have that ability, I say we see him try.
And where for the love of all that is holy in this God forsaken world is Max Starks when Marvel gets injured? I understand that there are better men then I making these decisions but Kevin Colbert sees something in him and he's pretty damn good at this. I'm not even worried about the money he makes, I just have a hard time believing that Essex is a better option. Starks was good in 2005 and in 2007 when he was covering for Marvel. Essex has been tolerable at best in all of the playing time I've seen from him. I don't get it. I would love to hear an explanation.
Don't take this wrong. I believe in this team and organization. I think we've got a great path to the playoffs and I think the defense is playing lights out, and is one of the top 3 in the league this year. Maybe #1. I even think our offensive line has the skills to stay competitive enough to let Ben win. But I continue to question both our Offensive Coordinator and O-Line coach.
ps. I'm worried about Jeff Reed.
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Good post
We need to realize that it’s just one win and that we still have some serious problems. However, what we’ve seen over the past 2 weeks is that our team can overcome bad play calling, line issues, numerous injuries, and mistakes to beat quality opponents. That’s what we’ll have to do in the playoffs. We’re 4-1 and 2-0 in the division going into a very well timed bye week. In my opinion we have no season ending injuries of consequence (just a mediocre OG, a backup RB, and a P), which means as of right now, we’re in good position to make the playoffs, and all our important players could play in the playoffs. Our depth is still good, with the exception of the interior OL.
We’re not perfect, but teams that peak in September don’t last long in the playoffs. All in all, we’re not prohibitive favorites, but I think we’re in good shape. It’s been a fun year so far, and I don’t see that changing.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 6, 2008 4:18 PM EDT 0 recs
hmm
Sure there are things to be concerned about but I think we all just think that Arians can snap his fingers and the offense will fly down the field. It’s so hard to be successful on a consistent basis on the road in this league. It’s not at all surprising we had a few dry spells in that game. Heck, it took Peyton Manning and his offense three + quarters to wake up.
The key is we’re so good on defense that our offense will continue to get opportunities to deliver. Won’t happen everytime, but with Big Ben, I think we can feel ok about our chances.
And as Bad said, this is going to continue to be one helluva fun season.
by Blitzburgh on Oct 6, 2008 4:27 PM EDT 0 recs
Absolutely
Although my blood pressure tends to rise everytime I get aggravated watching the Steelers play, I’m still loving every minute of it. I just worry that our staff and players will see this one as a win and not dwell on the minutia.
I agree with you Blitz that perhaps I am expecting to see too much flair and easy offense. I just keep getting the consistent feeling that I’m getting “More of the same” in the parlance of our times.
I’m hopeful for the rest of the season and maafala makes the great point about peaking at the right time. That’s some of what gives me hope is that we’re holding some things back to keep from showing our hands to early. I’m hoping Big Ben can keep standing and throwing to keep us moving through the season.
by Chicago Steeler on Oct 6, 2008 4:53 PM EDT 0 recs
as fans
it’s easy to expect a first down or touchdown on every play, but the other teams defense is getting paid to stop us as well, and in two of the last three weeks (Phi & Balt) we’ve played elite defenses. we played a mediocre defense this week and made them look mediocre. As far as Ben going no-huddle, that was part of the game plan by design, and guess who designs the plays that are run in the no-huddle? Arians. So yah his play-calling in game is suspect, but even when Ben is calling which play to run in the no-huddle, it’s all plays that were designed in the playbook by Arians, so he should be given credit for having lots of 3 step drops and quick passes in the no-huddle arsenal.
by TheMostViolentTeam on
Oct 6, 2008 5:09 PM EDT
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Warts
We certainly have them. Issues from A to Z as someone posted recently. So do the other teams. So far we have overcome to a 4-1 record but I share your angst. The tough portion of the schedule is coming. NYG, Dal, SD, NE, Balt, Wash, Indy & Ten will all be tough games. So will the others. If Ben stays healthy he will compensate for the OC. I just cringe at the thought of these guys getting out coached in a playoff game.
I also think there is a real war going on between the coaching staff and the FO vis a vi Max Starks. The staff did not like Starks and played Colon last year. They seemed content to let Max walk. The FO being frightened that there wouldn’t be OT on the draft board signed Max for 7 million. The coaches still refuse to play him even as Ben is chased and battered and injuries mount. There is something there that we are not hearing about.
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by 5020 on Oct 6, 2008 7:02 PM EDT 0 recs
The beauty of the NFL
is that every team is flawed. The team that made us look impotent has lost three already. As football fans, we tend to compare our team to college teams having no weaknesses (sans getting prepared to play Oregon State) or the fresh memory of New England’s machine last year (and even they fell short). But the reality is that the Steelers have as good a chance as anyone. The idea, of course, is to stay alive through December and peak in January. We can do that.
Our Achiles heel, as we have exhausted, is the play of our offensive line in coordination to the schemes and play calling. If that area melts together to at least a slightly-above-average level, the defense and offensive skill can push us to the top.
So we plod though the middle of the season with that as our focus. No small task, but neither is the task of any of the other 31 NFL teams who bemoan different but just as significant tasks of their own. Can Stapleton take us up a notch? Can Tomlin, Arians, Zierlein and Ben form an effective committee that improves and then peaks? I don’t know. I walked into a doctor’s office last week feeling down until I looked around the room and saw the other patients.
Sunday was a great day. Two of Ben’s three sacks were the result of him holding on too long. That’s the price we pay for the great plays he makes when he escapes those sacks. When the home team scores first on a defensive play in a prime time game, that is usually a dagger. We marched right down and then took control. When we got behind again in the fourth quarter, we did it again. Then when we needed just one more stop from our defense, unlike last year, we nailed it shut. All the while our special teams coverage has turned itself into an asset.
That’s hard not to rally around. Frankly, there’s no other city in the AFC right now that I’d rather be. Then again, I’m the eternal optimist.
by maryrose on Oct 6, 2008 11:32 PM EDT 0 recs
Impressed as always
Sometimes the readership of this blog is a breath of fresh air. Both 50 and Rose make great points about it being the wart or weak spot, but as mentioned especially this season every team has weak spots. And as is pointed out our strong spots can more than compensate. With a defense of our caliber and a QB like Ben, we should be able to play with anyone. I do think we could get out-coached on offense by a good team, but hopefully players will win individual battles to over-come that.
Thanks for the reminder.
by Chicago Steeler on Oct 7, 2008 10:45 AM EDT 0 recs
Dont worry too much...
you have to remember we played that game without FWP, Delicious, or Big Snack.
by PsycoSalameh on Oct 7, 2008 10:53 AM EDT 0 recs
Chicken Little Was Wrong......
Chi…..The sky is not falling!! Let’s go ahead and count the supposed AFC contenders that I would not trade places with:
1. Patriots- No Brady, no real chance, IMHO.
2. INDY- A heartbeat away from 0-4, and looking seriously flawed.
3. SD- What a train wreck! Can’t wait to kick their ass.
4. Jax- We saw first hand what they have, and it is not enough. Should have beat them worse, as the score did not reflect the scale of domination.
I’ll take my chances against Denver, Buffalo, or Tenn, as we match up well with all. Where does this leave us? A little health and offensive line growth away from a run for the ring!
Always keep perspective, my man.
by il_steeler_fan on Oct 7, 2008 11:55 AM EDT 0 recs
True
remember that Denver and Buffalo just showed the world their weaknesses and Tennessee, well, they haven’t exactly blown anyone out of the water yet. I love our chances in the AFC.
by woody71 on
Oct 7, 2008 4:21 PM EDT
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great post...
While I think the Steelers are playing very well, there is still much room for improvement. The team needs to run a lot more short passing plays (i.e., fast, 3-step-back-and-release throws) occurring in the normal offense rather than the no-huddle variety. This will help Ben’s longevity and establish a rhythm early. That the Steelers had 3rd and 8 or 9 as often as it did was a very bad sign. Short passing instead of or in complement to the run will keep defenses guessing and make third down easier. Screens and slants will also help the o-line build more confidence. Moore, Ward and Miller all can run these short routes effectively, assuming Ben can make the release quicker. He’s done this occasionally with great effect, so it’s just a question of scheme since the pieces are there. This will be the answer to the Giants and Redskins, Chargers and Patriots, who are all effective at generating a pass rush from a strong D-Line. Just one man’s opinion.
by ec on Oct 7, 2008 12:08 PM EDT 0 recs
it's a bit like 05
big passes & runs to get a lead, and then slow it down and try run after run to kill he clock, and back to the throws if they lose the lead during the slow down. It’s good game planning regardless, and it’s great game planning if the running, huddle (i.e. 3rd quarter) eats up the clock and they maintain a lead.
Everyone’s got problems, but the key is to win the division, stay fired up, and peak at the right time (late … like we did in 05, like the Giants did last year).
If we win against Cinci in 2 weeks (not a given … they’ll be as angry and fired up as can be), and then another win against either Cleveland or Baltimore, and we’ll be in good shape. There’ll be some big games down the road, and personally, I’m looking forward to see how the Steelers match up against the Giants. That’ll be an excellent indication of where the team is. Brandon Jacobs is running like the Bus did in his prime, the wideouts are making big plays, and they still have a dangerous pass rush and solid secondary.
We’re playing with grit and a bit under the radar from the national sports pundits. That’s how I like it, and I think our fellas in black & gold thrive in that context as well.
We’re not gonna win all of our games, but we’ll be there in the postseason. religion and politics will let you down, but those Steelers will hang tough with ya in January, and hell, sometimes in February as well.
Keep the faith. And don’t worry … it could be much, much worse. You could be a Cleveland fan.
by Fahey on Oct 7, 2008 2:29 PM EDT 0 recs
"it could be much, much worse. You could be a Cleveland fan."
amen to that.
On a side note:
One of my best friends is a life-long Vikings fan. He’s frequently lamented to me how much harder it is for him to be a fan than me. And he’s entirely right. Here I am bitching after a fairly solid win. This same friend is also superstitiously the reason for both the 2006 meltdown and the Eagles loss this season. After the super bowl my friend (who lives in Athens, OH) decided he could take no more of the Vikings’ troubles. Living in OH he was smart enough to realize that either of those teams were no better for his fandom. So he chose to pick up the Steelers. Soon after he announced this to me a woman drove her car into Ben’s unprotected skull. He agreed to not cheer for them again after they had reached 2-6 that year. This year he was in Pittsburgh the weekend of the Eagles game. To fit in he chose to wear his only steelers gear. He called to apologize after the game.
by Chicago Steeler on
Oct 7, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
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lol
That’s funny. I have a cursed Terrible Towel. I got it right before the accident. The games that we looked good, I didn’t have it out. I was watching the Ravens-Panthers game that was on right before the Steelers one. The Ravens were losing and looking pretty lousy. I happened to get the towel out (either to root against them or to get ready for the Steelers game), and the Ravens scored on a freak tipped pass turned 60 yard completion. Shocked, I put it away, and shortly after, Steve Smith scored on a long catch and run. I didn’t get it out again, and they lost and the Steelers destroyed the Chiefs.
I think that year was just a convergence of bad luck from various cursed people and objects.
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by BadMaafala on
Oct 7, 2008 3:56 PM EDT
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Good stuff
Some real good conversation on this post. The thing that sticks out to me after all of this is what I and others have pointed out. Arians’ plans seem to do well against poor competition, but not against good competition. And, all of the plays that Ben runs the no-huddle out of must come from Arians’ playbook. So, overall, it would seem that Arians has a solid offensive system that especially works well when the defensive talent is not up to the level of our offensive talent. However, he doesn’t seem to have a good feel for the game. If his initial plans don’t work, or the other team adjusts well to his scheme, he is lost. Maybe Ben just has a more agile mind, and is able to determine which plays will work. Or maybe it just has to do with being on the field and having a feel for what’s going on. It reminds me of something I read a couple of days ago in Terry Bradshaw’s book, It’s Only a Game. He said, there’s a reason that feel and field sound so much alike. When you’re on the field, you have a better feel for the game. Anyway, that may have nothing to do with Arians. He just seems to have a very hard time thinking quickly, and adjusting to the opposition.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 7, 2008 4:21 PM EDT 0 recs
I’ve been thinking along those lines, too. Arians has some quality plays in his arsenal (such as that quick slant to Holmes in the Jags game), but he just doesn’t know how to use them. And, of course, when you seem lost in your play calling and start reverting to the same few calls over and over again, good defenses are going to tear that apart. But we have the talent to destroy a mediocre team in that situation. In the end, unless Arians has a sudden flash of genius strike his brain and we beat the rest of the NFC East handily (and get some hardware for finger 6), I vote that we raise money for his plane ticket out of Pittsburgh. Tall order, yes, but it’s just a bummer to have to get so nervous when the offense has the ball.
Brandona
by PrimantisStillersNAt on
Oct 7, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
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Arians
Coached the worst 7 quarters of football I have seen on the offensive side of the ball, but I also think we have to give him some credit for making some adjustments during the Jags game. I think the jury is still out. There are moments when I think that he really has a feel for the game and many more where I just sit there and shake my head.
Still, I think its a little unrealistic for us to expect perfection each week. Only one team in recent memory accomplished that and they lost in the Superbowl. I think the key things to watch for are how quickly a team adjusts to what is happening.
Defensively the Steelers seem to be three steps ahead of the opposition. If someone beats us one drive, it seems that our defense snaps right back and adjusts to what’s happening. Can you think fo any time this season where they gave up two long drives in a row?
Offensively we have had a very slow start to the season and it seems that we really aren’t finding flow. It’s also clear that it took us almost three full games to adjust to the blitzes that we were seeing. I am still not convinced that we have fully adjusted to them. I think we will know much better after the next four games if Arians is able to make good adjustments during the game, or whether he is an idealist who can’t make practical adjustments.
by SteelerBuddha on
Oct 8, 2008 1:49 AM EDT
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I don’t think anyone’s expecting perfection each week, just not complete sucking against quality opponents (or in some cases, like the Jets last year, poor opponents).
But, I will say this. It does appear that one ingredient for winning a SB is to go through a stretch in the season where you win ugly (or even lose ugly). Each of the top 3 teams in terms of points scored in the season either lost the SB or didn’t make it. I believe that is the ‘83 Redskins, ’98 Vikings, and the ’07 Pats*. I’m not sure, there may have been a team that broke the record between ‘83 and ’98, but in each case, these teams set the record for the most points in a single season, then lost at some point in the playoffs. Also, the last 3 teams to win 15 or more games in a season lost in the playoffs. So, basically, it looks like a great regular season is no guarantee for a SB win. In fact, it’s seeming to trend the opposite, where the top seeds are losing more often than ever. The issue for the Steelers is whether Arians can ever come up with that great run of game planning, a la Whisenhunt in ’05. I have serious questions on that point.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on
Oct 8, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
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Some phrases that I’ve heard thrown around about Arians are “no offensive identity”, and “grab bag playcalling”. I play Madden on occasion and sometimes in a game, I don’t have a very good plan of action, so I just call fairly random plays. Not surprisingly, it usually doesn’t work very well. I feel like Arians does that in most games, which might account for being slow getting the play called, too. He’s not finding an identity, dictating how the game is going to happen, and setting up other options later in the game. He should have a good idea what the next play is before the current one happens. We had an identity as a running offense under Whis, and teams crapped their pants when we came out passing. We aren’t a power running offense or a run and shoot spread offense, or a west coast offense or any other kind of offense. We have no idea what we’re going to do in a given week. Maybe a coach like Bellichick can get away with that, but not Arians.
What Whis did worked because we had an identity as a running team, so teams geared up for that and he turned the tables. Arians turns the tables before setting up an identity: the way he used screens and play action last year before running or seeing pressure, the way he passed against Denver (good pass defense, bad rush defense) without making them gang up on the run by scaring them early or in previous games, etc. I think that’s a lot of what’s missing with him, although obviously he’s not very good at adjusting, either.
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by BadMaafala on
Oct 8, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
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Good points
Excellent points, in fact! Again, it reminds me of another story from that Bradshaw book. He wrote about how they had this bread and butter play that was designed to get 3-4 yards: IIRC, an off-tackle run to the left. And they ran that play like 15 times in the first half. It didn’t do anything spectacular, but but the second half, the opposing defense just automatically responded that play without even thinking. When they got that point, they changed it up (I think to a flea flicker type play), and it went for a long bomb. The receiver was wide open because the defense was conditioned to expect that play. It probably didn’t hurt that the play was succeeding at what it was designed for.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on
Oct 8, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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very true
That’s the essence of offensive identity: doing one thing well, which opens up other things. We can’t establish our identity by throwing slow developing pass plays, because Ben will get killed if teams expect that. We were so good at running in 2004 and 2005 that teams had to respect that, which opened up the slow developing play action pass plays.
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by BadMaafala on
Oct 8, 2008 6:19 PM EDT
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Over at postgameheroes.com they paid a lot of attention to our friend Stapleton.
Basically they believe the jury is out but that, unsurprisingly, he looked better than simmons. There’s also a good little video of quite a few of his plays.
by steelguy99 on Oct 8, 2008 10:56 AM EDT 0 recs












