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Some thoughts on the disappointing loss today.

* Add another first to Peyton Manning's already long resume: the Colts won for the first time in Pittsburgh since 1968. Makes me sick.

* We sure didnt have any problems to start the game.

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* Think back to just one short month or so ago. Not very long. What was still the biggest concern with this team, as it had been all offseason? The offensive line was the main worry. Is it now? No, it's not. The line is not dominant - our struggles in the running game attest to that - but not longer is it a massive liability like it was most of last year and to start this year. The problem now is finding some sort of offensive identity and rhythm within the framework of knowing we have to design plays that quickly get the ball out of the QBs hand. We're still struggling with that, but because the offensive line is not in shambles like last year, there is still cause for hope. 

Finally, and I think this is very important: there's reason to believe Ben Roethlisberger will get out of his funk because of the improved play of the offensive line. He hasn't and won't in the future have all day to throw, nor will the running game consistently take the pressure off him entirely to produce. But he will have enough time to do what NFL QBs are expected to do, and that's make good confident decisions and deliver the ball accurately more often than not.

* The Colts had two sacks today. And only one in the first 59:30 of the game.

* Another pretty impressive day from our defense. When you consider the QB we were playing against, it was really all the more impressive. Peyton completed just a hair more than half his passes (21/40) and that YPA of 6 yards is pretty damn outstanding. Throw in a few breaks for the Indy offense and it's easy to see why Steelers fans are frustrated the offense failed to do their part to ensure the win.

* Well, the Steelers offense almost did enough. Say everything played out the way it did except for us converting on 1st and 5 from the Indy 5. We still likely send Jeff Reed on for a game-winner on that 'close but no cigar' final drive of ours. Teams like the 2008 Steelers have to take advantage of opportunities on the goal line.  Our offense just isn't high-powered enough to settle for 3 when we get down there.

* I wish we would have gone for it on 4th and 1. Even if we miss we force them march the length of the field. Second guessing doesn't accomplish much, and of course, we see what happened to Kansas City today when they rolled the dice. Tough decision, but the coaches never should have been put in that dilemma in the first place.

* On to Bruce Arians. Well, again, that first drive was a dandy. Then after going three and out, the Steelers offense delivered another 7 points, this time compliments of a 41 yard flea flicker to Hines Ward. A well designed and executed play. It's important to note that we also were still finding ways to get Moore involved even though the running game was struggling. His 10 yard catch and run on 3rd down led to the flea flicker a few plays later.

I have major beef with the series of goal line calls, but other than that, it wasn't a shabby game at all from Arians. He certainly doesn't deserve the same type of criticism that he garnered earlier in the year. It would have been nice to smash the ball down their throats when we got it back up 3 with about 7 minutes to go, but the fact is, we weren't running the ball very effectively all game. I don't much like how that drive that ended with Ben's 2nd pick started with a cutesy pass play to Santonio Holmes on 1st down. But other than that, no major beef.

* One major cause for concern with regards to Arians actually.  It was not necessarily today that tipped me off about it, rather, it seems to be developing into an alarming trend: We really seem to struggle offensively in the middle parts of games. Now, last week against Washington, the opposite was true. We were awful to start, a bit better near halftime, then great in the second half. But it seems we've had some nice success early on in games this year only to come crashing to a stand-still for prolong periods of the game afterwards.

* I wonder if Hines Ward read BTSC this week and decided he'd silence any critics who wondered if he was still capable of making plays and earning a fat paycheck :)The answer? Yes. Ward caught 9 passes for 116 yards, and looks to be poised to notch a 70-80 catch season with roughly 850-1000 yards receiving. On this offense, that's legit production.

* Two of Ben's three picks came fairly deep inside our own territory. Those are just killers. Our defense, even without LaMarr Woodley, played good enough to win. But you can't spot Peyton Manning two short fields and expect to survive unscathed. That's unfortunate the focus will shift away from the D's oustanding work stymying the Indianapolis passing game for almost the entire game.

* Ben made three crucial errors, particularly the first two picks, but for the day, he was more accurate than he was against Washington, for sure. He completed 30/42 passes (71%) on the afternoon. That % would be good for tops in the league. Unfortunately, three of those incompletions were back breakers. Professional quarterbacks can not do that and expect to win. But to say he was terrible all game or needs to be cut is laughable. Drew Brees throws picks. So does Peyton Manning. It's an unbelievably fine line between playing very well and costing your team a victory. Ben ended up on the right end of the stick last year with some smart decision making and a little luck. This year, he's been a little more careless with his reads and throws, and he's also gotten a bit unlucky. People will turn to the 8 INTs in four games, but as has been pointed out, only two or three of those have truly been poor decisions.

* So what to do? Well, if he's feeling no worse than he did this week, he will be playing against come next Sunday. The temptation now will be for Ben to press. To try even harder to prove that he still has it. That's EXACTLY what we don't need at this point. What a tricky spot though for the team. We really can't afford not to have a QB who can make all the throws, particularly the deep outs and stopping patterns, as well as the occassional deep ball. If teams are able to just hone in on the middle of the field and not roll a safety back deep to account for the vertical passing game, we're going to be in a lot of trouble. Too many athletes in the NFL to cut off part of the field for an offense. We'll see how his health is this week, but my guess is he'll be playing moving forward.  Some may disagree with that, but the fact is you don't bench your franchise QB because of a few bad games and a sore shoulder. Either the string of shoddy play or the severity of the injury will have to be amplified before we see Leftwich again. At least, in my opinion, and that could be for better or worse. 

I'm not sure which way I feel right now, but really it's only because I'm scared Ben might try to do too much to compensate rather than toning it down and being much safer with the ball until he finds a comfort zone again a bit further down the road. 

Much more on Ben throughout the week.

* Every last big goal or dream for this team is still on the table for two reasons. One, we've shown enough, particularly on defense, to think that we're good enough to beat anybody on any given day. And two, even the league's most dangerous QB Pyeton Manning is on a team that's very beatable. The Titans and Giants continue to impress, but we've seen what we can do against the Giants and the Titans continue to win impressively but not dominatly. We can hang with anybody.

BUT, this loss really hurt. If we lose the division to the Ravens, this loss may REALLY hurt, as Indianapolis is likely a team that will be vying for one of those WC spots. And they now have the head-to-head advantage. That said, the Ravens still have three of the four NFC East teams to play beginning the next two weeks when they play @ New York and home to Philadelphia. In fact, the worse team they play outside of Cincy (which is still on the road) is Jacksonville. The roads about to get  a bunch bumpier for them.

We better hope that we can learn from this unique loss and stave off Baltimore to reach the playoffs. From there, anything's possible. We've seen that two of the last three years with #6 seeds winning.

The question though is can we not trip on our own feet and actually make it to the dance.

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Some props to Ike, please

Some bad bounces aside, Ike Taylor did an amazing job at CB covering my favorite QB-WR combo in the game: Manning-Wayne. With the courting of DeAngelo Hall in the air this week, perhaps Ike had to remind us who we really do have.

I agree w/ Blitz that the O-line did some of their best work yet, and I was very proud of them. Only one or two O-line penalties all game, as well.

Since he’s my adopted Stilller, I gotta say: How about Gary “At least he didn’t fumble” Russell? I must say I’d rather see FWP learn to return kickoffs and punts, but it’s great to see him get the work!

by betelgeuse on Nov 10, 2008 2:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah

Good call. I didn’t elaborate much on the defense in this post. But you’re absolutely right. Ike Taylor and the entire secondary for that matter played really well.

by Blitzburgh on Nov 10, 2008 2:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Moore was averaging 2 yards per carry most of the game..

..they couldn’t find a reason to hand the ball to Russell even once? Loopy. I don’t understand why they keep the guy if they are afraid to play him.

by robert ethan on Nov 10, 2008 2:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Deshea Townshend

wasn’t so hot. He had two holding penalties and he left harrison wide open. Luckily, he dropped it.

by Jonny B. on Nov 10, 2008 7:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad Bounces???

Don’t get me wrong. I like Ike! That being said, his hands of stone are a hole in his game. I watch almost every game and Ike has a history of tipping the ball into the receivers hands. This was not the first time the result was a TD. He (and we) would be better served if he would just knock the ball down.

by Jonny B. on Nov 10, 2008 7:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

High School/College Ball

Actually, if you played football at any level, you probably remember the tip drill. It was a defensive drill for a reason. Usually, if a DB tips a ball, good things happen for a defense. Even if the ball is caught by a receiver (which it usually isn’t), the rhythm of the play is broken up and the receiver will not catch the ball in stride. As a result of bad luck and great concentration by Wayne, it didn’t work out yesterday. Still, Ike is a top flight shut down corner. Lest we forget, it only would have been about a 25-30 yard pass if Clark makes the tackle.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Nov 10, 2008 9:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How is a tip a good thing...

When the ball should have been intercepted???

by Jonny B. on Nov 10, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Intercepted?

I don’t think that he was in a position to intercept it; or even bat it down. However it happened, his only opportunity for success of any kind was to deflect it.

by tenthmtnman on Nov 10, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 on the "hands of stone"

on Ike. How does this game end up if he intercepts the Wayne TD? The rest of the Colts points came off short fields, as discussed elsewhere, and I am not sure they could have scored a TD on a long, sustained drive against our D. If Ike somehow catches that pass, the whole complexion of the game is different, and I say the Steelers likely win. Another huge play was Troy not being able to hang on to the pick when he cut in front of Clark. Clark definitely got a piece of it, but it still hit Troy in the bread basket, and probably could have been returned for a TD, as he had a run on it. We absolutely have to convert on these opportunities going forward against some of the top tier offenses we will be facing.

"Steeler Nation= We are better than you!"

by il_steeler_fan on Nov 10, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw Russell deliver a couple really great blocks...

can’t he be used more like that? I didn’t know he was such a terrific blocker.

by SteelersVT on Nov 10, 2008 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Roethlisberger has a passer rating of around 75...

..he is down in the territory of Orlovsky, Thigpen, O’Sullivan, etc. That is hard to justify. Rookies like Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan are clearly outplaying him at the moment. They don’t have better talent around them than Ben does. Better coaches, maybe, but not better teammates.

by robert ethan on Nov 10, 2008 2:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yes

but ben has 5 perfect QB rating games as well. His upside is a gazillion times higher than the guys you mentioned. He’s just in a rut. It’s only been VERY recently that the OLine has started to stabilize.

by Blitzburgh on Nov 10, 2008 2:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brady Quinn lost by about the same score on Thursday..

…with a similar finish. But to me Quinn, in his first NFL start, looked 10 times better than Roethlisberger did today. Not just for a few minutes, or a few plays, but for the entire game. Or at least the portions of both games that I managed to see. That is really worrisome.

by robert ethan on Nov 10, 2008 2:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well again

Ben completed 70% of his passes. He doesnt make those two bad throws, we win the game and and we’re pleased he was accurate and got rid of the ball quicker. He’s not quite right, there’s no doubt, but we saw him play pretty flawless QB for an entire season last year behind a terrible offensive line.

It’s undeniable that he’s earned his job in this league from past experience. He damn well needs to be better, but any concerns that he’ll always be this shaky are unfounded and excessively reactionary.

by Blitzburgh on Nov 10, 2008 2:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Give Quinn a year or two

To make any judgments about Quinn at this point would be beyond premature.

by SteelersVT on Nov 10, 2008 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad Ben

I just can’t help thinking that Ben needs time to heal. Blitz mentioned the opening drives going well, then the offense stalling. Ben doesn’t practice during the week, the shoulder starts to feel better and they play him. I think that he is okay for a while and then the shoulder fatigues and he is less accurate, has less zip, and definately can’t throw it long. On the flea flicker, Hines had to completely stop to catch the ball. We all know that Ben can throw a ton further than that, but he couldn’t yesterday. He needs time to heal if we want to see our quarterback return to greatness.

by WyoFan on Nov 10, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a good theory for what might happen in that intermediate stretch. I’m not going to blame the flea-flicker throw on Ben though. It wasn’t great but he had guys coming at him and the pass back by Moore was awful.

by steelguy99 on Nov 10, 2008 11:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not the only one

The flea flicker is not the only one. Ben has underthrown wide open guys on multiple occasians this year.

by WyoFan on Nov 10, 2008 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t disagree with any other part of the statement though, did I?

by steelguy99 on Nov 10, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No Worries

No worries Steelguy, just conversing. Love your stuff.

by WyoFan on Nov 10, 2008 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cool. Just trying to keep the hating to a minimum. :)

No one can deny Ben has had some issues, the steelers just need to figure out what exactly the issues are. I’m having a hard time dealing with this latest Browns-fans-esque discussion regarding Ben. It’s easier to constantly pile shit on Arians because he’s such a consistent clown.

by steelguy99 on Nov 10, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU

STANDING OVATION The smartest decision Tomlin will never make.

by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 10, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Somebody hammered it into Ben to get rid of the ball quicker. In the process of doing so, he gets out of his comfort zone and makes some bad passes that lose the game. It’s still a valuable lesson for Ben. His skills will improve, and he won’t need the best O-line in football on every down. This game proves he has more to learn, but he’s shown that he IS LEARNING.

by betelgeuse on Nov 10, 2008 2:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

There is trouble brewing in the Burgh, Blitz..

..no way around it. Ben will have a tough time salvaging his season at this point, and Leftwich is the 270 pound….uh…..uh….uhhh…..individual….sitting in the corner of the room. Or on the corner of the bench, or whatever. Not to mention that Mewelde seems to have hit the wall and Parker is unlikely to make much of a difference for the remainder of the season. Nate Washington continues to contribute more than Santonio Holmes. Matt Spaeth, in his first game out of Heath Miller’s shadow caught some balls.

So assume that Leftwich gets a start soon, or at least Roethlisberger is on a short leash from this point on. Ben on the bench?

Assume (and it’s not a stretch) that Parker is nagged by injuries for the balance of the season, or at least a few more games. Can he beat out Mendenhall, or even Russell if he gets a couple games and looks good, next season? Not likely. Parker on the bench?

If Washington continues to get more yardage each game than Holmes, can they keep Nate as the third receiver? If not can they justify the big bucks first round draft choice as a third receiver?

If Spaeth keeps catching balls, does Miller become the blocking tight end?

Things are a little topsy turvy at the moment, and this will be a real test of Tomlin’s coaching skill if a couple or three of the situations come to a head. Also, does he pull the plug on Ariens/Zierlein, and if so, when?

by robert ethan on Nov 10, 2008 2:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good trouble, though

For the most part, you’re indicating good depth in our offense.

Leftwich ain’t made of gold. He did a good job as a backup. But if Ben needs a rest, I’m with ya ethan.

Your FWP question is a good one. This is the second season in a row that Parker has missed out on a few games due to injury. His technique seemed to really improve, too. Mendenhall didn’t get enough work this year to unseat FWP. Maybe next preseason he will.

As for Washington, what a year he’s having! But I don’t what the problem there is. Ward is a cinch for slot receiver on 3wr sets.

I don’t think Spaeth is a number one man yet. Heath was missed against Indy.

by betelgeuse on Nov 10, 2008 3:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

BEN

I think they need to start Leftwich for a game. Ben just seems a litte out of sync, and has for most of the season, both physically and mentally. Yes, he had a good percentage yesterday, and led some good drives, but his errors were kind of unforced (that first interception was as bad a play as you’ll ever see), and it really looked like he couldn’t throw the ball downfield with any kind of zip. When we got the ball back in not terrible field position with two and half minutes to play, w/ 2 timeouts and the 2 minute warning, did anyone really have any faith we were going to score? Last year Ben quite likely leads us to a touchdown in that scenario; this year, predictable failure.

This is a team that could go deep into the playoffs. I’m sure Ben wants to play, and Blizburgh’s point that you don’t bench your franchise QB is well taken, but at this point I see no reason for Ben not to take a week off, let his shoulder heal a bit, and relax back into the game.

On another note: I wonder, with FWP out, why they’re not giving Russel more of a look. He did a pretty good job on kickoffs yesterday, and has impressed the (very few) times he’s carried the ball from scrimmage. Moore is doing a great job in general, but why not change it up for a series now and then and see what the kid can do? He might have had bit more success than Moore against Indy’s faster but smaller front seven.

by BuzzNutter on Nov 10, 2008 9:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I still can’t get on the D-dominated bandwagon for this game. I don’t care who is behind the wheel on the other time, I want a more stifling defense. You can argue that points can be attributed to the two awful field-position picks, and that is fair enough.

The fact though is that the steelers gave up 290 yards. I believe that is the most yards they have given up this season. It doesn’t matter that manning only completed half of his passes. Imagine if he completed 2/3? Way too many yards given up. It’s unreasonable to request a wall from the defense every game, especially against a team like the colts, but that is the kind of performance the D needs to turn in.

The pressure was not encouraging, and yes I’m aware woodley was out. We constantly pushed the pocket but rarely got to manning. With the amount of deep passing they were doing and the often blanketing coverage, there should have been a lot more pressure and a lot more sacks. Their offensive line kept us in check in the passing game, and we can’t let that happen.

by steelguy99 on Nov 10, 2008 9:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Woodley

Woodley is a huge part of the Steelers defense. With Woodley on one side, the opposing team can’t concentrate on just Harrison. And with attention dedicated to Woodley, Harrison is freed up just a little to rush the passer. When teams have to divide pass coverage between Woodley and Harrison, they are both able to defeat their assignments. If only one of them is in and the protection can concentrate their effort all on that one, there is a much less likely chance of just him getting to the QB.

by WyoFan on Nov 10, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When Big snack and Keisel were out I didn’t see a drop off in run protection. Tomlin’s Kool-Aid says that I must expect similar output from the backup linebackers. Harrison and/or woodley are going to get hurt, and if/when they do we can’t just say “Oh well, we would have had better D with them. Too bad we lost and couldn’t get to the QB. Boy do we miss Woodley.”

by steelguy99 on Nov 10, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That being said, Woodley is clearly a key to our defense. We need him back and healthy, but I think Lebeau needs to work on a backup plan. I still didn’t see too much crazy blitzing, which we clearly needed to make up for our lack of a powerhouse. Frazier is not the solution.

by steelguy99 on Nov 10, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Steelguy99

"Oh well, we would have had better D with them. Too bad we lost and couldn’t get to the QB. Boy do we miss Woodley."

I can’t help but laugh because I said the exact same thing last night. Man I miss Woodley

by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 10, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The D didn't do enough to win...

because we lost. Other than that, they played a good, not great, game.

Ben’s first two picks were horrible. He is the goat of the week. Should he be benched? Hell no. He should re-learn how to manage the game and take what’s there when we’re up by two scores.

Goat #2 of the week is Kemo for getting shrugged off by a 265 lb DT on 3rd and goal. The play call was good. The execution was piss-poor. Kemo should put anyone that small on their back every running play.

This was a weird loss. It was almost like the whole thing happened in slow motion. I wasn’t even angry when it was over. I just looked around and said “what the heck just happened?” Another tough drop at home.

In the NFL, the more desperate team usually wins. The Colts were the more desperate team yesterday. Was anyone else upset with the lackadaisical “hurry-up” offense at the end of the game? It looked like Ben thought it was still the 3rd quarter.

by JHolmes on Nov 10, 2008 9:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The hurry-up was definitely a bit sad. Admirable try at the very end there. It could have been caught, but it was a prayer. We had plenty of time to move the ball but took too much advantage of the middle of the field.

Actually, I agree with your entire post.

by steelguy99 on Nov 10, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

arians sucks

But not on sunday. Unlike last years awful game against the Broncos the steelers attempted to run constantly against the colts. While the O-line held against the past, they seemed unable to consistently open up large holes for Moore, and Moore didn’t do much to help himself in the running game. So, you can’t fault him here. He tried to run, a lot, but not too much, but the execution just wasn’t there.

Despite our lack of 2nd and 3’s, the offense adjust admirably. Sets with multiple receivers were used constantly along with Spaeth and the final option Moore. The receivers typically had a short to intermediate route, an intermediate route and a longer one, but usually were blanketed by the colts strength – their secondary. This often left the routes for Spaeth open and he caught well. He didn’t get the YAC that miller would have got though. If miller was in this game we would have won, just saying. The other option after the WRs were taken away was Moore, who was dumped off to a lot, and very successfully. Other times the short route or the intermediate route was open and we made good yardage. Ben went through his progressions very well and often found his outlets.

Our primary game, running the ball, was taken away. The steelers still managed to get 326 yards, only 55 of them rushing. This is against the colts who shut down the run, which has little to do with playcalling. The colts have the 7th best pass defense, their secondary is solid yet we still managed to pass very well on them. This was I believe the second most yards in a game.

The main complaint I hear about his playcalling was when we got stuffed at the goal line. Yeah, that’s a bummer. We should be able, as the steelers, to run it in from the 1 on two plays. We did it twice before on Sunday, why not a third time? It’s not as if they weren’t expecting it the first two times. On the 3rd and 1 McHugh had a man blocked. Moore went straight ahead and should have followed the FB. The execution was not there, but the play should have worked.

No, everyone, no. Arians is not to blame for this one. He still needs to go at the end of the season, but that’s because a game like this is an outlier, not the norm.

by steelguy99 on Nov 10, 2008 9:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hold them to FGs?

Admittedly, the defense got a short field a couple of times, and you don’t want to do that with Peyton. Still, the defense had been doing a great job of holding teams to FGs in the past several games, but they gave up two TD drives to the Colts plus that fluky tipped pass. The game really hinged on the fact that our O couldn’t score a TD on two tries from the 1-yard line, and our D couldn’t hold the Colts to 3 points after the second INT.

by Steelin on Nov 10, 2008 9:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fleaflicker
Steelers offense delivered another 7 points, this time compliments of a 41 yard flea flicker to Hines Ward. A well designed and executed play.

Ben was nearly sacked before he threw and the throw was so short Ward and to turn around come back and outjump Bob Sanders for it. It worked, but I wouldn’t call a play that was nearly a big play for the defense twice, well executed.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
137 yards per game
6.1 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2008 10:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

well

at least Sanders didn’t tip it Ward for the TD.

charity standing orders

by BadMaafala on Nov 10, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Big Ben

I think Ben is under a lot of pressure recently and yesterday despite to have a good first half (except for the last two minutes interception) made some big mistakes and lack of timming in some points of the game
He needs a rest because the next part of the schedule will be though and isn’t 100% healty
Was frustrated to saw yesterday the same picture that the Giants game to have a time under control and lost in the last quarter
Arians needs to work more in the running game to take out pressure of Ben

by ninke on Nov 10, 2008 11:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Russell

Just in case no one noticed. Congratulations to Gary Russell for our season long kick return of 39 yards.

The coaches obviously didn’t like him in the running game though after his last performance. At this point though I’d rather keep him than Dookie, that’s for sure.

by steelguy99 on Nov 10, 2008 12:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed,

He’s looked surprising good in limited action. I do wonder how much of my optimism for Russell is the desire to find a short yardage back.

by phxsteeler on Nov 10, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Disapointment

This loss is another hard one because it seemed so winnable. But, we are playing plenty well for having so many starters out. Woodley, Miller, Parker, Simmons, and McFadden. Sure, Tomlin can expect there to be no drop off in performance, but there is a reason someone is a starter and someone is their backup. And consider replacing a real star, someone with over-the-top talent, with his backup. Sure, we have played brilliantly considering our injuries. At some point though, injuries had to cost us a game. This was the game, and the injury was Woodley. They key to our defense is pressure, and the key to that pressure is having both Woodley and Harrison on the field.

Have no doubt, Peyton Manning is the better quarterback of the two brothers. He carried the Colts. Lets not let this little fact escape notice. If there was any quarterback we needed to preasure it was this one. That’s just bad timing.

I’m a huge Ben fan, so when I say, bench him, it is only to let his shoulder heal. The Steelers have to get him healthy for the playoffs. This is critical. An injured Ben and a less than average offensive line spells an early out.

Let us not forget our nemisis…Luck. Two tipped balls that fall right into Wayne’s hands, really? Guys, I almost swallowed my Coppenhagen on the second one. Just plain bad luck.

So really, take away two unlucky plays and add Woodley back into the mix and I believe the Steelers win.

As they say, that’s why they play the games.

by WyoFan on Nov 10, 2008 12:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

mmm

A big fat wad of Cope during the game. Yum. Bought a can for the first time in awhile, and for the first time in Seattle. Jesus, was appalled by how expensive it is here.

Only problem I have with your assesment is the ‘we need him for the playoffs.’ Playoffs arent a given whatsoever at this point. It may very well take 11 wins to get there, even for the WCs. That’s not a given by any means, though I suppose we do still have two games left against Bengals and Browns.

by Blitzburgh on Nov 10, 2008 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We need to go 2-0 in the next stretch and we need the ravens to go 0-2. Both of these are incredibly realistic, but we only have control over our side. A loss by the steelers at home against the chargers or bengals does not spell the end of the season, but to me it signals a concession to not winning. There will be no excuses for the next two games against poor opponents. We need to wrap them up by the half and let byron enjoy 2 more magical 2nd halves.

by steelguy99 on Nov 10, 2008 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cope

Yeah, I keep adding up what I spend in a year. Not good.

by WyoFan on Nov 10, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know what one of the best ways to get Ben healthy for the playoffs is? Locking up a #1/2 seed and being able to sit against the browns. Unfortunately I don’t think the #2 can happen anymore, not that I ever really thought it could…

There were so many things that could have won us this game, Here is one that hasn’t been beaten to death yet (ben’s interceptions, goal line stand, troy int):
Russel does not trip and instead beats the punter for our first TD return of the season – he was that close.

by steelguy99 on Nov 10, 2008 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

#2 seed still possible

If we beat the Pats, we are up 1.5 games on them (including tiebreaker). So we can still lose at least one game, probably two (assuming Pats take another loss somewhere along the way). Obviously, we have to get our act together, but if we do, #2 seed is not out of reach.

by Steelin on Nov 11, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Big Ben/Byron

I think it would be hard to make a case that Roethlisberger at,say,70% is better than Leftwich at 100%…And how about the risk of further injury with Ben playing right now..?

by rissaldar on Nov 10, 2008 2:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Deja vu, a closer look.

I think that this is history repeating, depending of our ouwn personal perspective, it looks like We all are again after BB accident, and He was not letting Himself healing like in ´07, and pushing like a rookie for a place, by seeing some of the comments that BB and We all received after the crash by some of the craziest people around, and BB is fighting against, BB is trying to “be T Man”, this is not the case. WE ALL SUPPORT BIG BEN, BUT BB has to GIVE HIMSELF A CHANCE TO TOTALLY HEAL, both mentally and physically.

We all accept that the “Hand of Tomlin” has a lot to do with the position of the D in this days, but for shure this is not the same in the other side of the line, as Blitz points out they are working this out, but the in zone in field play selection was not the best.

We all know for shure, in line with Tomlin´s ideas, that the fall from a previous injury is pretty big if you do not let yourself heal totally and re-hurt yourself, than if you heal completelly and then you have another/same injury.

In other business, I don´t know what is the idea behind some people, We all must compare any QB after one season ends in a better than 15-1 position and because BB “became the first quarterback in NFL history to compile a 13-0 record during the regular season”. After analyze it, then lets talk about asking Him to be better than anybody else. I am not saying He´s perfect, but He may be one of the best, if not the best card in the NFL.

As Blitz and many of us have told before the relationship between a OC & the QB, as their work, relies on a mutual confidence, Does has BB that?. To find an answer lets retreat a little, Does BB has the weapons? Not completelly developed, yet. Does them/he have a good plan? Not the best, but kind of enough to have some W´s, but the difference between some W´s and a SB contender is the Mantra of the Offense: Rythm & Execution. So I think that we need (again) to copycat (sorry!), Wisenhunt, Crenel or some good else college Off Strategy, to fill some of the gaps, and lets face it That was a subpar by details game.

What We saw in this game make all Us sick, because this could easily be a Big W just with a little more of work over those details, lets see:

So, What if:

- The DB first, just cut and “disrupt the rythm, and the order”, “Thats the Mantra of the D” in any sport.
- The D trust a little bit more in themselves, be just showing that We are putting all in the line in less than 3 yards to go, (as We all see Phill doing over Eli late), we have THE BEST D UNIT. That is the initial line of the “Blitz” behind LeBeau´s idea of D, of deceiving coverings. More the release the DBeasts Idea.
- Send more Power running, from the very beginning,
- BA send the same play he had sent in the walking TD that MM do to make their´s, just cross-blocking and,
- A good idea could be “Not send 3 times the same play to the same place”, and even in that case,
Maybe MM has a little more of patience to select the hole,

and We all be today happy .

Also We all miss Simmons, and mostly Woodley, WP, Miller and McFadden, in field synergy and presence.

And of course We must avoid turnovers.

O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.

by YeOldeMexFan on Nov 10, 2008 3:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

O-Line

I disagree with alot of you that think our o-line is better off than last year. Last year we had a run game, this year we don’t and the coaches know it, that’s why Ben threw 42 times Sunday. How is it we get stuffed two times at the one yard line, by a team that supposedly can’t stop the run? Ben still gets sacked more often than most of the QB’s in the league and our rushers hardly ever top 100 ypg. I still think we miss Russ Grimm more than we miss Faneca. Missing Dick Hoak too!

Let's Go!

by jacksteel on Nov 10, 2008 4:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

part of it is

That the passing game is struggling so much. Teams are able to take away the run more effectively when we know we have a skittish banged up QB. Last year, we torched people in the passing game most all of the year and that led to some opportunistic running from us. Still, when it counted, we struggled to run the ball. Similar to this yaer.

by Blitzburgh on Nov 10, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ben's Passing

Flea flicker-underthrown. Another pass to a wide open Hines was wide left. A handful of short passes left and right were shoetoppers. He isn’t right and has become a liability.

by tenthmtnman on Nov 10, 2008 6:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ben's Escapes

Query: Does Ben’s play in the pocket, or more appropriately, his leaving the collapsing pocket differ from year’s past? It seems that he rarely breaks the pocket laterally and set off to his right or left as he did in the past. This year he seems to try to step up more, when the pocket collapses. When he did move laterally, he seemed to create more separation from the defenders which in turn allowed him to get off his passes with less pressure. We always noted how this was one of Ben’s unique talents.

Whatever it is, it does not appear to be the same. Is this my imagination, or do others see it as well? We used to joke that Ben needed to move (his legs) in order for his brain to work, since he often had his best moments when he broke the pocket and set off running laterally, whereas this year he seems to want to stay closer to home.

by bigmaq on Nov 10, 2008 8:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Playing as a Cohesive Unit is what Good O Lines are About

Cohesion created by playing together for an extended time is what makes O Lines. It is not 1st round draft picks. There are numerous examples of good O Lines with later rounders and non drafter players doing quite well. Recently one of the sights, ESPN or Cold Hard Football facts confirmed this in a study.

Considering how many “new” players are on the line (practically everyone except Colon at times), this line is playing brilliantly. More importantly, with every week they will be developing more of that cohesion which enables them to play as a unit. This is especially necessary in pass pro. Already, the recent pass pro is an improvement over the first of the year. They are a work in progress and considering the slim body of work together, they’ve made a lot of progress. Hopefully, by playoff time they will have developed into a playoff OLine.

by bigmaq on Nov 10, 2008 8:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Arians, o-line, Ward, Holmes

- I don’t fault Arians too much in this game. But I do wonder about one thing. The Colts d lineman (Foster?) that tackled Mewelde Moore both times from the one late in the game said that the Steelers ran that same play 6 times in a row from in close. Obviously this goes back to the first half when the Steelers got 2 td from in close. But watching Tunch on Savran’s show, he talked about how the Colts tackles had been pinching in on the previous (successful) Steeler attempts but now on 2nd down from the 1, they pinched out. Kemo didn’t finish his block and the play was stuffed. They then ran the same play again and the same thing happened (Kemo didn’t finish his block and Foster made the play). I guess the majority of the blame should go on Kemo for being tooled twice in a row. But it would have been nice if Arians had called a different power running play. Not a pass or an end around. Just a different power running play. Maybe that’s why we score on our first drives so often and then go into a lull. Because the defense adjusts to us and then we have nothing to counter with.

- Yes the o-line only gave up 2 sacks. But keep in mind that the Colts had not recorded a single sack in 3 consecutive games prior to last Sunday. And the Steelers obviously went to a short passing game to lessen the pressure. That’s a good thing, but let’s not talk about the improved play of the o-line. The Redskins had only 10 sacks on the season before facing Pittsburgh and they got to us for 4. Those are our last two games. When we face a team that has trouble generating pressure, we make them look decent. When we face a team that is good at rushing the passer, watch out, our qb will be in for a long day.

- Ward did have a good day, although he did have another drop. But remember that Indy was missing it’s two top corners. Ward is all heart. If he’s facing dbs who aren’t that good, he can still post big days due to his smarts, toughness, guile, route running, etc. But if he’s facing above average dbs, he now really has a tough time because he doesn’t have the requisite physical ability to get open on them at this point in his career.

- Of course, if Ward has the heart of a lion, I don’t know what Holmes has. Expectations were high for him coming into the season. I know players don’t often meet expectations. But he’s not even playing to the level he has shown in the past, and it’s not even close. I don’t know what’s wrong with Holmes, but something is going on. Anyone have any ideas? It’s been 8 games now where he’s been mostly a nonfactor. That’s not a blip, it’s a trend.

by steeler1275 on Nov 11, 2008 12:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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