In Defense of Bruce Arians
I know I am going against the grain here, but so be it. Far too many times when the Steelers snap the ball there is a jailbreak penetration into their backfield. I don't care if Vince Lombardi and Sid Gillman are coaching Johnny Unitas, this situation will lead to disaster. That jailbreak penetration is the root of our evils. Defenses know how to beat our deplorable offensive line, even mediocre ones.
Fans often make "arguments of convenience" to explain how something bad happened. Arguments of convenience are finding things that someone didn't do to explain why something didn't work. We don't run enough, we don't screen enough, we don't check down enough, we don't whatever enough. Talk show callers were lamenting three running plays near the goal line instead of a rollout. If we rollout and don't score those same callers are screaming that we didn't do what got us the first two touchdowns. On and on.
In the Steelers nine games, they have scored on the opening possession seven times (second posession against Jax after the pick-six), an exceptional number, even in the Philly fiasco. Five of those seven have been touchdowns. They have scored three touchdowns on the opening drive of second halves. If you take out the monsoon in Cleveland, the Steelers have scored 10 times, including eight touchdowns, in 16 opening-half possessions. Apparantly Arians is scripting something right. When the defense adjusts, we do not have the talent nor the coaching on the line to re-adjust and continue the chess match. We get out-schemed, out-manned and out-stunted in the trenches. That's what my mind sees on too many plays.
Sunday the Steelers tried running the ball 26 times. We averaged 2.1 yards per run and on 14 occasions, ran for two yards or less. Our opponents know how to take away our run and because of the jailbreak, we make one long pass per game. When we run screens we hope for incompletions so as not to lose yardage on them. End arounds? Forget it. The offensive line that made Bill Cowher and Ken Whisenhunt so smart is nowhere in sight. Nor is Jerome Bettis. Fans talk about going back to Steeler football and the days of Cowher. When we get eaten at the point of scrimmage, this is no remedy.
Arians is trying everything he can. How many instant line passes did he throw Sunday? How many times did we hit our back-up tight end? Ben completed 30 passes, not a bad day. He made some killer decisions, without Arians whispering in his ear. The hand that was dealt to Arians Sunday was missing his running back, back-up running back, tight end, two starting linemen and a battered and shellshocked quarterback .
Arians was the OC for a dysfunctional Cleveland team. In 2002 Tim Couch was replaced by Kelly Holcolmb midway through the season. Still, the Browns made the playoffs, where Arians' offense took a huge lead against the Steelers in Pittsburgh. A remarkable Tommy Maddox comeback against the Browns defense put the Steelers back in the game, and then a Dennis Northcutt drop of a beautiful pass sealed the deal. Arians can lead the horse to water but can't make him drink. With Pittsburgh up 17-7 Sunday and a third and two to end the half, Ben decided to throw to a receiver he claimed he didn't see rather than scamper easily for two yards and fall down.
When Russ Grimm was line coach, Ben was sacked alot. But he also played Houdini and made great plays. He did so by holding on to the ball longer than he should, but the payoff was worth the sacks. This year he is getting sacked, but there is no chance for Houdini. Only once have we seen the Ben magic (Jax). The line is so bad it is no longer a question of Ben beating one man for the magic or getting sacked. He can only beat the jailbreak by taking two steps and unloading. Last year, without Grimm, you could see and feel Alan Faneca holding things together as best he could, but signs of unraveling were imminent.
Who is Larry Zierlein? In fairness, many assistant coaches are nomads at the mercy of a head coach (ala Arians-Butch Davis). But Zierlein has had 14 jobs in his career - nine of then, that's nine, have been two-year stints or less. Hello? I think Tomlin has done much more good than bad, but this is the exception. And when he said we needed to get bigger, faster and younger in the trenches, all we got was Justin Hartwig and a fourth-round project. True, all the good linemen went early and often, and I still think Mendenhall was the right pick, but the point is that Bruce Arians deserves better than two first-year starters, a new center, a $7 million mystery man and Willie Colon, all led by Larry "suitcase" Zierlein.
You Arians bashers might be right, but I am not there yet. If we are this bad when I see another free agent, a rookie impact tackle and a new line coach, then I will raise the white flag and join you. Until then, neither Bruce Arians nor Bruce Almighty can do any better with this configuration. Our fate this year is almost entirely dependent on whether this offensive line can possibly improve and peak at crunch time. The other pieces are all there, or will be when healthy.
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thanks maryrose
good, reasoned thinking as usual :)
by acrollet on
Nov 10, 2008 11:25 PM EST
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I like your take on it MR
Makes a lot of sense to me. I just don’t see what’s going to happen to fix it this season. Coach change next season and some good drafting can set us up well for the next couple runs hopefully.
by BallsofSteel on
Nov 10, 2008 11:54 PM EST
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Yeah but...
I have one problem. We through 42 times! 42 times?? Are you kidding me?? The Pittsburgh Steelers are not a 42 pass attempt team. I’m not saying we can’t take our chances in the air, but 42 times? That’s not a very balanced attack and it certainly isn’t Steeler football.
by Steev1705 on
Nov 10, 2008 11:55 PM EST
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My problem with your problem
Is that we gained 2.1 yards per rush attempt and 6.8 yards per pass attempt, and 26 carries is a large sample. Why would we want more 2.1 gains and fewer 6.8 gains? Arians throws when we can’t run. I am sure he would love to have The Bus and employ Steeler football, but our line can’t play Steeler football. When you gain 2.1 yards in 26 carries, if anything, you are not passing enough.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
by maryrose on
Nov 11, 2008 12:17 AM EST
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Let me also say this,…I don’t like Bruce Arians but its funny how his play calling suddenly seemed to get better once Ben left after the half on MNF against the Redskins.
Even though Ben is taking a lot of heat,..I still don’t think he’s getting enough blame. When you get a $100 mil contract,…in essence you have the responsibility to change whats wrong and take initiative. If the play calling has been making Ben less successful, then its HIS responsibility to change it. As a franchise QB he has that power. Gone are the days when Cowher and Whisenhunt told him when to eat, when to sleep, when to walk.
If this guy can’t take that initiative its on him. If its not the play calling but just Ben being completely out of it as I suspect,..then the coaches need to do their jobs and sit him.
Either way,…Ben deserves every bit of criticism and more. I know a lot of people have a soft spot for him because of the superbowl run. But facts are facts.
by ismail on
Nov 11, 2008 12:02 AM EST
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....MNF...good game.
How about Whisenhunt and Haggans tonight? Classy guys. Good to see them having success.
Not to mention Kurt Warner. Warner and Brett Favre make the sport a pleasure to watch. The two biggest kids in the game. I’d like to see one of them win the MVP Trophy.
by robert ethan on
Nov 11, 2008 12:18 AM EST
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Absolutely
I was Happy for the Whiz and Haggans. A little fruit from the Steelers tree.
by WyoFan on
Nov 11, 2008 2:29 PM EST
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I'll agree on some stuff.
Arians does show some signs of promise but i think when he screws up it hurts us worse than it should. He seems to make very questionable calls in important situations (we all know that Jaqs playoff game of last year…..yea, that QB run on 3rd and 6). And in several games, where our running game is working, he gives up on it for no apparent reason. He started the colts game brilliantly, short passes and such but the 4th quarter was questionable calling at best. I think he just bi-polar.
Its kind of like ismail said, you have to plan based on what you have, not make a plan and try to include people in it. I agree Ben should take some heat but Arians doesn’t always put him in the best situations.
Now, I am all for everything that has been said about Zierlien, hes horrible. I think he should go before Arians does. I am not gonna defend him one bit.
I think we can keep Arians as long as we get rid of Zierlien. But it is clear some coaching changes HAVE to be made.
by shleeve on
Nov 11, 2008 12:18 AM EST
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Z & A
Zierlein is not a good line coach. He is not much of a teacher either. He has not made any of his young linemen better. (Colon, Starks) His OL is regularly beaten like a drum.
Arians is not a good OC. MR, it is his job to make adjustments after the initial script. That is what he is paid to do. He doesn’t. While I agree he is at the mercy of injuries and OL talent it is his job to make lemon aid from the lemons presented by FO. His play calling is questionable especially in crucial situations. I can’t remember feeling that the Steelers won a game in 07 or 08 because the game plan or coaching was the key. Have you?
Like those Cleveland Browns you speak of in 02 the Steelers of 07 and 08 have regularly given up late leads by not holding onto the ball and giving it up to the other team for one last drive. Arians Browns blew a big 4th quarter lead that day and Arians was the OC that failed to scheme for crucial first downs more than once. You can blame it on the horses but the jockey has culpability.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on
Nov 11, 2008 12:34 AM EST
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Arians
I posted this part elsewhere, but maybe it deserves to be here instead:
I don’t fault Arians too much in this game. But I do wonder about one thing. The Colts d lineman (Foster) that tackled Mewelde Moore both times from the one late in the game said that the Steelers ran that same exact play 6 times in a row from in close. Obviously this goes back to the first half when the Steelers got 2 td from in close. But watching Tunch on Savran’s show, he talked about how the Colts d tackles had been pinching in on the previous (successful) Steeler attempts but now on 2nd down from the 1, they pinched out. Kemo didn’t finish his block and the play was stuffed. They then ran the same play again and the same thing happened (Kemo didn’t finish his block and Foster made the play). I guess the majority of the blame should go on Kemo for being tooled twice in a row. But it would have been nice if Arians had called a different power running play. I’m not saying that he should have called a pass or an end around. Just a different power running play. We should have more than 1 power running play in the playbook, right? Maybe that’s why we score on our first drives so often and then go into a lull. Because the defense adjusts to us and then we don’t counter with anything different.
Now maybe it’s not easy to tell that the Colts pinched the d tackles out on that 5th attempt in real time. But in the NFL, it’s hard to keep going to the well over and over again. You have to change it up a little bit.
Maybe this is all just conjured up hocus pocus rationalization, or maybe I have a point? I don’t know, but I’m throwing it out there.
by steeler1275 on
Nov 11, 2008 12:36 AM EST
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but lets all realize that without Ben’s picks,…Arians goal line call would be a moot point and we’d all be praising his bold game plan with the play action and all. Ben is probably the only QB in the league that doesn’t get the brunt of blame after the performances he’s been putting on. Its amazing.
by ismail on
Nov 11, 2008 1:00 AM EST
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No Praise
Even with a W I don’t think many would be praising Dr. Arians. To see what a coodinator does look no further than LeBeau. They coordinate and design plays. How do you run the same play 6 times? To take a quote from Dvorchak in this mornings Post Gazette;
“Bettis, who once epitomized the power running game as "The Bus,” used to say that running the football is mostly will and determination, an attitude and commitment. In his new role as an analyst, he has noted with chagrin that offensive coordinator Bruce Arians largely has banished the fullback from game plans.
Eric Foster, the Colts’ defensive lineman who made both stops on Moore before he had a chance to attempt a leap, concurred about the attitude.
“They ran the same running play six times,” Foster said. “It was a matter of who wanted it more, who was going to fight the hardest.”
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on
Nov 11, 2008 8:58 AM EST
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I’m pretty sure the 3rd and 1 was a different power running play. You had McHugh and Davis blocking out on the left and if you rewatch it you’d be hard pressed to say the play wasn’t designed to have Moore follow them. If he did it likely would have been a TD, with only one LB in space having a chance, but he instead chose to run behind Kemo into the pile.
Rewatch the plays guys. Bad decision.
by steelguy99 on
Nov 11, 2008 12:59 PM EST
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My bad. I just rewatched the goal line and it is pretty much the exact same play. I still contend that poor execution had a lot more to do with its failure than the playcall though.
by steelguy99 on
Nov 11, 2008 1:20 PM EST
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End arounds on the Colts are always dumb
but Arians is far from the only OC that calls them anyway.
“I’m going to run a slow developing misdirection play on a D that is built on speed and plays zone every single down.”
They Never Work.
The run pass balance wasn’t a poor choice, the Colts had been solid against the run over the last 4 games and had a brand new 300lb DT to stick in the middle. On the other hand they were starting their nickelback and a guy they had cut 3 times this season at CB with their free safety playing in the slot. They also blitzed waaay more than normal for a Colts D leaving more pass lanes open.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
137 yards per game
6.1 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on
Nov 11, 2008 1:03 AM EST
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the only times they do work is when they become flea flickers.
I wouldn’t mind seeing a few more of those- it does seem that the very minute an end around type of play starts to unfold, all the LB’s cheat in, everyone wants to make the fast snuff of the runner. This opens up the filed somewhat.
by SteelersVT on
Nov 11, 2008 8:53 AM EST
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"Jailbreak penetration"..
..through the Colon…
Don’t get me going on that again.
by robert ethan on
Nov 11, 2008 1:36 AM EST
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Colon turned inside out..
..by quick pass rush.
by robert ethan on
Nov 11, 2008 1:39 AM EST
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lol
lol what was it i said about censorship?? Elaborate bowel related descriptions may be excluded from our haven of free speech here :)
by Blitzburgh on
Nov 11, 2008 2:55 AM EST
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John Elway
I am older than most on this blog, it seems, so let me try to add a historical angle to the thoughts of maryrose.
Years ago, when John Elway was just starting out, he was getting nailed the same way that Ben has been this year. He developed the habit of bailing out on plays as soon as the rush came near him. To use the maryrose phrase about Ben, “He was battered and shell shocked”. In fact, if you watch the films, his eyes would widen and he would throw the ball almost anywhere to avoid getting hit again.
I think Ben has hit developed a mental hangup because he is getting nailed so often. I believe he is as brave or strong or risk-taking as anyone could want him to be, and yet has developed a real fear of being hit again. It would be difficult for him not to given the situation.
I do think he can get by the problem if he can see someone run the team, using Arien’s schemes, and get to believe in the shorter faster game that needs to be played with our current roster. He certainly has the physical skills but I believe that he is now gun shy.
All year I have been wishing for Charlie Batch. Ben has more skills and is obviously the number 1 quarterback for the long haul but Charlie could get the job done now. Short dump passes, quick release, misdirection. All good tools that Batch knows how to use, and would use effectively, rather than get hit like a tackling dummy.
But, of course, Charlie is not around. How about Byron or Dennis? A rookie quarterback would probably get eaten up but an older pro like Byron might be able to pull it off. It is certainly worth a try.
I don’t believe that Byron is the man for the long term, Ben is. And I don’t think Byron is even the man for this season. But until Ben sees that this short game offense will work, and he won’t get killed using it, we have a big problem.
by Bob from Virginia on
Nov 11, 2008 7:17 AM EST
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ill reccommend that comment for the elway comparison
It’s silly to forget that all the greats had ups and downs. Good reminder.
Agree with everything except the part about Batch. I think he would get overwhelmed pretty easily. As twisted as it sounds, Dixon might fare ok under these circumstances. One of the things I think Ben should be doing more this year is tucking it and running. Seems like he’s been very reluctant to do that. Dixon would not be. Also, he would be terrified and likely would unload the ball quickly. GOod film room guy. I think he could handle it.
Anyway, thats not going to happen unless there’s many more injurys. But I like those thoughts VA Bob. Thanks.
by Blitzburgh on
Nov 11, 2008 8:04 AM EST
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To me this is like a medical problem
You start with the least invasive remedy and work your way up until you find and cure the problem. Zierlein is that first pill to be taken. There has got to be some young energetic line coach out there who hasn’t had 14 jobs and is ready for the challenge. Next you allow this guy to make a change or two personnel-wise. (This is the level I believe will solve the issue.) If that doesn’t work now you look at Arians. At that point I will agree with 5020 and others, but not before. I think Arians did adjust in Cleveland, Northcutt just dropped the ball. I think there have been times when the Steelers did adjust and win games, but now the line is preventing that.
If removing Arians doesn’t work, then you need to look at the coach, and if that doesn’t work you need open heart surgery with your franchise quarterback. Frankly I don’t think we ever get to those levels, but that is the way I would proceed.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
by maryrose on
Nov 11, 2008 7:37 AM EST
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50 M.D.
My prescription;
1) At season’s end hire an OC that is a teacher and has a power running mentality. Let him bring in his crew to establish the offense. This includes a new line coach.
2) Hire a new QB coach. 7 has digressed under Ken Anderson. It seemed like Whipple helped Ben so find someone like that. Someone that will work with Ben on his short comings and improve his already great QB skills.
3) Kemo, Essex, Marvel and Starks are all gone after this season if no contracts are offered. Figure out which one can play LT for 1 year and sign him. If Kemo will come inexpensively sign him short term to play LG. Hope new OC and line coach can help him develop better habits. Maybe line coach can help Colon who we are stuck with for another cyscle because we can only replace several lineman at a time.
4) Abandon the “best athlete available” philosophy for at least one draft cycle and get serious about the OL. We have extra draft picks this year through trade and Faneca. Move up in round 1 (and again in round 2 if possible) and get some OL talent the first day. Develop, develop, develop.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on
Nov 11, 2008 9:11 AM EST
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Cheers..
I’ll enthusiastically reccommend this comment. Particularly Pt #4. F BPA this next draft. Trenches. Period. End of story.
I do think Kemo might be had on the cheap, and I also think that the right coach could do exactly what u said, help him develop better habits.
I think maryrose has some astute points, but I think at the end of this year, we might as well clean shop on the offensive side of the ball. Everything. Bens still young enough to make it worthwhile. Same with Holmes. And Stapleton. And Mendy. And Heath. etc etc.
Only way I see that not happening is if we go to at least the AFC title game. A deep run could save his job, otherwise, it’s just the most logical and cheapest first course of alternate action to protect and try to extract as much utility from the team’s 100+ million dollar asset. He’s good as gone without a inspiring prolonged late season outburst.
by Blitzburgh on
Nov 11, 2008 11:50 AM EST
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I just look around the league
And all the stable teams have invested heavily in the OLines. It’s like roads and bridges and other infrastructure. You just can’t live without it, and skimping sometimes is even worse, because its money wasted without sufficient results.
by Blitzburgh on
Nov 11, 2008 11:51 AM EST
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Amen
Yes, yes, maybe and yes. My question to number three is: Is there a chance to save these guys with the right offensive line coach? What can anyone tell me about Tony Hills?
by WyoFan on
Nov 11, 2008 3:24 PM EST
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I can tell you that Tony Hills will never get anywhere under coach Z.
by steelguy99 on
Nov 11, 2008 4:26 PM EST
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Can't defend Arians
Your theory about why there is a constant jailbreak is off-base.
1. When a D-line does not have to worry about an O-line getting off the ball and big backs coming at them they can play differently. They simply can get up field and “play the run on the way to the QB”. Pass rushing and getting off blocks to play the run are two different fundamentals. The Steelers currently employee a finess running style with small backs and almost exclusively zone blocking and no true blocking back.
2. You don’t need to draft O-lineman in the first round (unless a true stud left tackle is there). Look at the Patriots. There line is comprised of mid-round draft choices and FA’s. They are lean and mean and coached up. The Steelers are sloppy and not well coached!
Everyone knows Ben holds the ball too long. He is not capable of reading coverage quickly. But he is big tough football player. As a coach you have to know your players strenghths and weeknesses.
Arians is a pass-happy finess coach. He was the same way in Cleveland. He will not change. Tomlin knew this when he hired him. Heck everyone knew it.
by Steelers fan in Boston on
Nov 11, 2008 10:34 AM EST
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I don't know why we're talking about BA this week
The blame for the loss rests squarely on #7’s shoulders. He threw 3 picks under little to no pressure. The goal line stop was Kemo’s fault entirely. It was the right call, regardless of how many times we ran the darn play. Kemo makes a block, MM walks in for 6. If Ben doesn’t throw 2 of the picks, the Colts don’t sniff the red zone. Heck, if Troy catches the damn ball…etc, etc. Woulda coulda shoulda. The PLAYERS had chances to MAKE PLAYS and they didn’t. That’s why they lost.
by JHolmes on
Nov 11, 2008 10:36 AM EST
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Respect Your Opinion
but…while I too put the blame squarely on 7 for this one as you do (see my post under Gloom & Doom) I can’t absolve BA for the game, this season or last.
I agree that players make plays but coaches put them in position to succeed. To basically call the same goal line run 3 straight times is not innovative it is bull headed. To call the same running play 6 times in a game to the point that the other D lineman are being quoted in the papers laughing at you is not innovative it is predictable.
As a student of the game and not as someone with an ax to grind into BA’s back I will say this; he set up the flea flicker brilliantly. He ran that stupid run where Ben fakes the quick throw and then runs a draw to the RB twice before running it a third time but having 21 flip back to 7 for the flea flicker. Too little of that this year IMO and too much jailbreak. That is on the players but also on the coaches too.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on
Nov 11, 2008 11:41 AM EST
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6 straight plays
Its kinda like doubling down, then tripling down at the roulette or blackjack table out of frustration. It HAS to work this time, no? No it doesnt Bruce. Theres a reason it didnt work the first 5.
by Blitzburgh on
Nov 11, 2008 10:17 PM EST
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Not to let Ben off the hook
But, there was no reason Ben should have even been passing when he threw the 2nd INT. It’s late in the fourth on 3rd and 2. BA decides to throw when they absolutely should have run the ball. If they don’t get the first then the worst case is a punt that puts Indy in their own end. I think this was an instance where a bad call was made and then Ben made it worse when he not only didn’t just run for the first, but he then threw a horrible interception. Ben and BA both share a large part of the blame for this one.
by PensFan024 on
Nov 11, 2008 1:10 PM EST
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Top Down
Tomlin will do something. He has preached expectation of performance all year and the offense is not performing. Ultimately, he is responsible for the team and all aspects of its performance. Next in line (For the offense) is Arians. He is responsible for all aspects of the offense’s performance. Under him is Z for the offensive line’s performance. Under him, is the actual offensive line. For every single one of those positions, every person in the chain above them, all the way to the top, can be held accountable for a positions failure. In the end, Tomlin is ultimately responsible. Period. He may be trying everything known to mad science to solve this problem. If he is doing the right things, then, someone down the chain must be examined. Arians has taken a lot of heat and I agree with that – He is responsible for the whole offense. If Z is not performing, it is Ariens’ responsibility to fix it. Etc, etc… So, the issue is the offensive line. The whole offensive line. Is it more likely that no one on the line has talent, or that there is talent there, and it is not being tapped properly? Shine the light on Z, and because they are above on the chain of command, Ariens and Tomlin. I can talk all day about the O-line or Z or Arians, but if Tomlin doesn’t figure how to fix it, by demanding Arians address Z’s deficiencies, or firing Z, then Tomlin will have to go as well as Arians and Z. I don’t believe that will be the case. I think, at the very least, Z, the one most directly responsible for a grossly underperforming line, must go, and will. The question is: will that be enough? A lot of time and energy has been devoted to the Bruce Arians fan club on this site (Me included), and if he should go. I think that is a good indicator. The time spent defending him and attacking him is far too much any way you look at it. If he needs defending, there is already a problem. Quick question: Does Dick LeBeau need defending? Or, even discussion? Only praise. I think Ariens has to go too.
The Steelers went out and found a good up-and-coming young head coach. They should do the same for the O.C. Right now we have an old war horse O.C. who coached under The Bear. He has never even been considered for a head coaching job. Why? Because he is not burning up the O.C. position. Before being promoted to the O.C. position for the Steelers, he was the wide receivers coach, a step down from his position with the Brownies. Why a step down? Was he not thought well enough as an O.C. in the league to find another job as an O.C.? I say he was given his chance to prove the NFL wrong about him and has come up short.
That concludes my Ariens rant for the day.
by WyoFan on
Nov 11, 2008 4:57 PM EST
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its funny
The O has been so spotty, we’ve really spent far too little time gushing over the defense. Lame too because the final points allowed total may not show it, but this is one of the more special Steelers defenses in the historys franchise. Top 10 without an inkling of consideration, and arguably quite a bit closer to #1 than #10.
by Blitzburgh on
Nov 11, 2008 10:19 PM EST
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true that about arians, imo
At some point hes gotten enough chances. The downwardly mobile career move from cleveland is kinda telling. He just looks out of place next to the young fiery Tomlin. Can he at least go upstairs to the coaches box?
by Blitzburgh on
Nov 11, 2008 10:21 PM EST
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Ben
I’m still pissed at him for that first interception…did anyone else see how wide open MM was coming out of the back field??? No one around for 30 yards!!!
But no…he tries to force into Homes!!! no reason to do that at all…we were ahead by 10, not down by 10!!!!
Yes, a lot of the factors mentioned above contributed to the loss…but to me, Ben’s decision to throw that ball is inexusable…he should know better…
check it down Ben…check it down!!!!
by SteelerMike on
Nov 11, 2008 9:27 PM EST
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important point here
Ben was so much more disciplined with the ball last year. That embarassing 2006 year scared some sense in to him. Hopefully he’s had enough bad moments this year for him to make the mental adjustment on the fly, not have to wait till next year to be more careful with the ball.
by Blitzburgh on
Nov 11, 2008 10:22 PM EST
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Pick #2
Is it just me, or has the communication b/w 10 and 7 been WAY off this year. I can’t count the number of times that Ben has thrown at Santonio where he inexplicably cut off a route or broke the wrong way. Holmes has been a huge disappointment to me (especially since we have the same last name).
by JHolmes on
Nov 12, 2008 3:44 PM EST
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Surprise!!!
An OC promoted from WR coach loves to throw the ball, big shock there. If he goes my choice would be the RB coach (Ray Horton I beleive) then maybe our ground game will be effective.
60 minute men
by I.W.H.F.M.D.95 on
Nov 12, 2008 3:56 PM EST
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ALSO
Is it just me, are does our offens resemble that one from the playoff game that COULDN’T CLOSE THE DEAL!!!!!!
60 minute men
by I.W.H.F.M.D.95 on
Nov 12, 2008 4:17 PM EST
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Our Issues
- Ben and his agent $102 mln contract – no money left for great offensive line. Money will always be spent on D and offensive skill players (Hines, Holmes, Mendenhall, Parker)
- Idiotic decision to sign Kendall Simmons and Max Starks to that type of money
- Larry Zuerlien, I have no idea if he’s adding any value
- Injuries, plenty of championship caliber teams have been derailed by this.
- It’s going to be a long game on Sunday w/o pressure on Rivers - Lack of brusing running back to get you tough yardage
- Lack of adjustments during the game to counteract defenses
- Ben isn’t that bright, his decision making on passes is horrible to say the least. He’s had one great season. We expect more and should receive more.
by 72Steeler on
Nov 13, 2008 5:31 PM EST
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