Exactly what I was afraid of
I have yet to hear many people talk about what Ben did GOOD on sunday. He took only two sacks because he checked off for short passes probably 75% of the time.
And I remember making posts on here about why it is VERY BAD for him to try changing to the short pass stuff.
When you try throwing short quick passes, it requires perfection. If the WR and QB make even slightly different reads, INTs occur and the QB looks bad. Moreover a short passing game requires that the QB throw it to very narrow holes with very little margin for error. Sunday, the short passing game produced a very high completion rate but very little down field passing.
Why is it bad for him to try and do this short passing stuff and get the ball out quickly? You saw it. Getting the ball out quickly BEFORE you are ready is deadly and results in INTs. Holding onto the ball longer and making sure your going to get it where it needs to be is a recipe for success for Roethlisberger.
I prefer sacks over INTs. A sack does not lose a game, an INT does.
What would you prefer? 8 sacks, no picks or 3 INTs and 2 sacks?
The only disadvantage to this is, he gets banged up alot more.
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intresting
The Philly game certainly lends credence to your theory of preferring sacks to INTs. We had what, 9 sacks that day? Yet hung in there because we didnt compromise our self field position wise.
Quick passes
A key to quick passing is that you have more choices than the D can cover. The QB needs to read the D and go to the open man. Ben did pretty well with that most of the game. IMO, the first INT was all Ben, but the second was as much on Holmes as Ben. Holmes didn’t fight for the ball at all, and it really looked like he stopped his route short instead of continuing his pattern across the field. And, the first INT was not a short pass. Ben took a chance down the field, and it was underthrown. With both of those, we were still in great shape until Starks held in the last drive, followed by his giving up the sack, which completely killed us.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 11, 2008 4:33 PM EST reply actions
or he was supposed to stop and sit down
in that spot and Ben thought he was supposed to keep going in.
Either way this is where (IMO) not practicing or pointing to your target in practice hurts – timing is everything and being in sync is key for the quick passing game. Look at the Colts – they are just starting to get back on the same page from Peyton and Marvin’s time out, and still not there.
First pass was just plain bad on Ben’s part, a tuck and run may have been better – would love to know who told him he wasn’t allowed to cross the LOS this year.
Good points
Agreed on the lack of practice/timing.
Still, even if Holmes thought he was supposed to sit in the zone, he didn’t fight for the ball. He was close enough (IIRC) to get a hand on it. But, he basically waved at it when he should have been grabbing the defenders arms or something.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 11, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Something else
Ben is playing subpar. There is not much argument about that. But he does not deserve all of the blame. Santonio Holmes has not learned to play wideout in the NFL. A disproportionate number of picks are thrown in Santonio’s direction. Ben and him are not on the same page, although we can not know whose fault that is without knowing what plays are called. It is obvious when this contributes to INTs, but less obvious is how it contributes to the sacks.
When Santonio is not where Ben expects, it takes away a read. I don’t have a copy of BA’s playbook, but I’m guessing Santonio is either the first or second read on a majority of the passing plays. When a QB looks for a read and doesn’t find him where he expects, it is very disruptive. In fact, it is worse than the receiver being covered in the spot he should be. When the receiver is not where he’s supposed to be, the QB’s natural tendency is to look for the receiver rather than progress to the next read. When the receiver is there but covered, it is easier for the QB to recognize it and make a decision. These two are not reading defenses the same and are not in sync. This probably contributes to picks thrown toward other receivers too because those throws might not be made if Santonio and Ben are on the same page.
On the second pick, Santonio didn’t fight for the ball because he stopped to sit in a zone while Ben expected him to keep going. When the pick was thrown there was not much Tone could do because he had stopped to a standstill about a yard and half away from the spot where the ball was thrown. This is just one example of the two not being on the same page.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Nov 11, 2008 4:44 PM EST reply actions
outside of the two bad int on sunday ben actually played a good game.
by frankrmineo on Nov 12, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
outside of taking that bullet to the head
JFK had a great day in november of 1963 also!!
by beerman13 on Nov 12, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Your Right Beerman...
Because outside of the occasional valid point you make your still the most negative, ignorant, and annoying person on this site.
a qb is brought in to make passes. short, medium, long. i can’t believe people call for a qb to not throw a short pass LOL. it requires super human ability to throw a short pass : )
bens hurt and hurting the team..sit him for 2-3 weeks for the final push or keep going at an average clip.
Or
Ben could bounce back and have an unbleievable game.
Remember the Chiefs and Falcons game in 06?
Before that game, he was horrible. Then all of a sudden he has 2 games with a rating above 130.
There honestly isnt a reason to think he cant just bounce back over night because he did before.
Ben is hurt physically and its affecting his game for sure, but I think more than anything, like 703 said earlier, that the lack of practice may be the main problem for him. He said himself that he and Santonio werent on the same page on that second pick. I think the Big Fella should be taking off and running with the ball considering he’s beat up enough already though.
Bad analysis IMO
The first pick was on a play that WAS NOT a short pass.
He was looking 15+ yards down the field and it got picked. Think about it. We had been getting 5-10 yarders ALL game. So that means logically the DBs were sitting back. That means trying anything longer than 10 was going to be tough.
Yet our genius OC calls a 15+ yarder on a 3rd and 2 for no reason.
Same thing happened in the first pick of the giants game on a short yardage down.
remember
just because Ben tried to throw it 15 yards doesn’t mean that was what Arians intended. I don’t have tapes of the game or anything but perhaps Ward ran a short 5 yard curl route. Maybe he ran that but the defense had it well covered and his second option was Holmes who was sent deep to keep the D spread out. Maybe we had 3 or 4 receiving options and Holmes was the only one who was designed deep. Ben liked his shot at Holmes there and if he stepped into that throw that would have been gone for 80 yards or whatever it was. As much as I disagree with Arians, its not always his fault.
Valid point, but...
Still shoulda been runnin the dang ball.
Even IF our average per carry was 2.1, thats more than 2. So we coulda done it.
I am not one to say “hey lets let off the gas and play conservative like mormons when we get a lead”
But before halftime ESPECIALLY when the other team gets the ball after the half, you have to act in the interest of lead preservation.
And to read what Tomlin said about it bugged me. Hes like “If we punted from there we give them a field goal try” more or less. Where is the faith in a good defense to keep them from flying down the field in 1 minute?
ok, well run vs pass is a different arguement
I still like the pass call I would have just made a couple points to Ben first.
Those points being…
Spaeth should be your number 1 option here. They haven’t done well against him plus he is what 6-7 or whatnot?
The second point I would have gotten across to Ben (and this is something, from what I can perceive, that Arians has yet to tell him), if your first and second option aren’t there than tuck it and run. Its only two yards and you are Big mother&*&%@ Ben.
I miss Ben running it. That 30 yarder against the Browns last year seems like ages ago.

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