Ben Roethlisberger To His Critics: 'Hold the Phone, I'm Not Done Yet'
Some bullet point action to get the conversation going, just minutes after the Steelers delivered a time-consuming 4th quarter drive to edge the San Diego Chargers 11-10.
* He's baaaaaaaaaaaaack! Ben made about one or two mistakes all afternoon by my count. Both had to do with him holding the ball a bit too long on 3 step drops. In previous weeks, his errors were much more costly. Ben finished the day 31/41 for 308 yards, with no TDs and 0 INTs. His passes were unbelievably accurate and for most all of the second half, they were delivered at the right time. Perhaps his best sequence of the day was on our last possession. Facing 1st and 20 after (another!) holding call, Ben calmly found Hines for 8 yards. Then Spaeth for 6. Then, on 3rd and 6, with us not yet in FG range, Ben rolled left, then back right a step or two before delivering a perfectly placed dart to Hines Ward for the 1st down. Like I said, he's baaaaack. While we're at it, add to his league leading 24th come from behind victories in the 4th quarter since 2004. I hate guys who win lots of football games.
* More on this, but that last drive to win it?? 6:00 minutes plus. Gigantic 3rd down conversions. Nice mix and match of runs and passes. Solid time management, and exquisite decision making by Roethlisberger not to force things. And give some credit to the line too. They took over the game in the second half, particularly in the 4th quarter and on that drive.
* Speaking of winning football games. We've won 7 of them, to only 3 losses. There are still personnel and strategy issues to discuss and for the team to hopefully resolve, but yeah, thought I'd remind you: we have 7 wins. Most team's don't.
* Sheesh, we may have a hard time winning too many more if we are penalized 13 times for well over 100 yards again. There were some suspect calls to say the least, and there were a few mistakes made by our guys. It is a bit bizarre that we finished the day with just 13 penalties while San Diego was only flagged once. Really?
* Holy bojangles. If you didn't get to watch the game and see Troy Polamalu's first half interception, you need to make sure you catch the highlights. Somehow, someway. I literally have a next to impossible time thinking of how a defender could make a more incredible INT. Seriously, it was as incredible as you'll ever see. Hopefully a photo will be forthcoming later.
* What a game from Fast Willie Parker! Who else thought he was running with the same kind of edgy aggressiveness that helped him burst on to the scene earlier in his career? He pushed guys to the ground, fought for tough yards inside and outside, protected the football, and came oh so close to breaking one deep. He had to settle for a 25 carry, 115 yard performance instead. Get a load of this though: Parker's long of the day was 13 yards! What's that mean? He was consistent, and so was our offensive line. We got dominated down on the goal line but other than that, our Offensive Line had great success winning the line of scrimmage for most of the afternoon.
* Ladies and gentlemen - your 2008 Pittsburgh Steelers have finally discovered they have a hard running short yardage back! Welcome Gary Russell to the fold in a more prominent role! At least, let's hope.
* Who would you give the Defensive MVP of our team to? James Harrison? Troy Polamalu? Man, what a tough choice. Both should be considered legit candidates for DPOY in the league. All Harrison did was force a safety and pick off a Phillp Rivers pass near the red zone. All Troy did was make one of the more amazing plays I've ever seen, and again play great in both run and pass support. For the day, I'd give the defensive game ball to Harrison, if only because his INT was in a critical, critical moment of the game. They were on the move and could have made it 14-2 or at least 10-2 with points. Instead, we took it down for a FG before the half. HUGE swing there.
* Staying on the defensive side of the ball - props to Brett Keisel for an amazing performance. He just was everywhere today. Congratulations to Fernando Bryant as well for a mighty fine debut with the Steelers. Let's give some credit to our personnel people as well for that move as well. Insta-results as far as I'm concerned.
* We'll get into the negatives of this game, later, but for now we celebrate. That was fun. I couldn't watch at the end. We so needed a W and it would have just been crushing had we not pulled it out late. We did though and now find ourselves back in control in the AFC North.
And like I said to start, most importantly, our leader and franchise guy is BACK!
GO STEELERS!
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great points
as usual Blitz…
I have a question, has anyone else seen a ton of holding calls not called on Harrison this year? There were two this game, where an offensive lineman had his arm up under Harrison’s and his hand was jamming up under JH’s chin. It seems like there are two or three of those a game.
Also, was anyone else able to see the ‘forward pass’ on the play that ended the game? I know it’s meaningless, but i would have liked Troy getting that sack. It’s just weird how it ended.
You’re right, Ben played great today. There were at least three drops too. I’m sure that his detractors will find something though. They always do.
by steelerark on Nov 16, 2008 8:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
nothing to find
So accurate. Great decisions. Great competitive spirit. HUUUUUUUUGE performance from him today. Couple that with some solid running and the first time in a while that our O Line has truly handled a superior run defense and theres lots to feel good about.
Its amazing we only had 9 offensive points with 400+ yards and 0 Tunrovers! I’ll be addressing that soon enough.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
last play
people with money on the game didnt think it was meaningless. lol.
i was sitting next ot a dude in the bar who had 500 bucks on steelers covering 3.5 points. He thought he had it at first. Was sceaming in delight only to be disappointed. Crazy game.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no joke
How infuriating that would be to lose money on a play like that.
by steelerark on Nov 16, 2008 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the holding calls. I think that Harrison is held on almost every play. But it isn’t just him, opposing OLs are rarely called for holding against the Steelers.
by Cols714 on Nov 17, 2008 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and
I have to give some props to the old man, Hines Ward. Another 100+ yard game, 2 in a row!
by steelerark on Nov 16, 2008 8:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yup
That’s what #1 guys who make 7 million do. Dudes going to flirt with 90-100 catches and 1,000 yards. Not sure what more people want.
Unreal that he had two of the holding calls.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
Steelerark – I never saw a forward pass. And yes, I’ve seen a lot of holds on Harrison, and I mean a lot. He gets held a high amount (including a big one against Jax in the playoffs last year). I wonder if they go unnoticed because he has a reputation for breaking through them or being incredibly powerful (kinda like Ben not getting any roughing the passers).
Blitz – I think we can forgo any negatives about this game. Theres been enough negativity the past few weeks. I’d rather just love this one.
by shleeve on Nov 16, 2008 8:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hehe
true, but we’ll at least talk about why we only got 9 pts on offense with that much general success moving it.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
was more a product of weird circumstances
and a few untimely penalties that led to that though. For instance, running out of time at end of first half. we surely would have scored there.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i ddint get to this in the post
but Santonio Holmes had a great game. Was just much more ‘into it’ mentally today. Was very very happy to see that. He’s going to be fine.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 8:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
though it took some time from the clock
I loved him battling for the TD at the end of the first half
by shleeve on Nov 16, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, that was huge
And on a deep in pattern, he came back to the ball just enough to prevent it from being picked. It’s the kind of play i’m not sure nate washingotn knows how to make. he was great today
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holmes never caught a pass until well into the second half, though..
..after Washington got the dropsies.
by robert ethan on Nov 16, 2008 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ure crazy dude
this is why i have a hard time listening to u sometimes. Holmes most certainly DID have a catch in the first half. Go read the full play by play if your memory is that bad.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey Robert
Do you really not remember the catch Holmes had before half? Surely you remember that one. And btw, it wasn’t his only catch of the half.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
O.K., he caught his first pass with 36 seconds left in the first half..
…pardon me. But still after Washington had caught a couple and dropped about three.
by robert ethan on Nov 16, 2008 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha, wrong again
Caught his first pass at the 3:26 mark of the second quarter
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Point I was trying to make was that it seemed to me..
..that Washington was the second option for most of the first half and they didn’t start going to Holmes until Nate bobbled a couple. But I was switching back and forth between this game and the Cardinal/Seahawk game so I may be wrong. Interestingly the two games were similar in a lot of ways, and Roethlisberger’s game almost mirrored Kurt Warner’s. Both their teams won in the end, but the games were closer than they should have been and both team’s wasted a lot of scoring opportunities.
by robert ethan on Nov 16, 2008 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a second to Harrison being held, go to steelers.com and view the photos from the game, make sure you check out number 7….it explains things nicely. I just think its ridiculous the NFL can really go and look at all our holding calls this year and i swear if you check our opponents holding calls its no where near close. There has to be some kind of favoritism there, or are we that UNDISCIPLINED. Doubtful, the refs just suck that much. Just like the ref at the end of the game about the forward pass, touchdown still counted, say what? They were confused. There was no forward latteral, they were stuck with their jocks on the ground and didn’t know what to do.
by Mikey on Nov 16, 2008 8:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Got a photo of the Polamalu INT
Also, my first game with the Brown-fan GF….all I’m gonna say is, she’s got potential as a Steeler fan. She really got into the Polamalu INT, Harrison FF/Safety, and final drive/Polamalu TD (that was sooo a TD).
Anyway, here’s the picture:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/photo;ylt=AibcrgU9GNfeArKnqZu5VUisLYF?slug=1d7f6016c17a44d5a9ddfe6e7a3f1e4e.chargers_steelers_football_paks102&prov=ap
by Romain El 82 on Nov 16, 2008 8:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Big Ben Learning Patience
I was so frustrated with the 13 penalities I let out a couple primordial screams…but I was so impressed with the defense.
However, the biggest improvement came from Big Ben. We are accustom to him making the incredible 3rd down pass for the completion. The change came when he began to consistently throw to his check down receiver (Mwelde Moore) when the coverage dictated. Today, he showed the patience that Payton Manning had last Sunday and if he can maintain that type of poise in tight games down the stretch it is going to increase the Steelers chances in making a deep run into the palyoffs. Big Ben maturing before our eyes.
by OregonSteelerFan on Nov 16, 2008 8:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yup
still just a 25 year old. I know I still live and learn and improve in the things I do.
He had made huge strides in this regard last year, but for a number of reasons, got out of his element earlier this year. It’s fantastic, but not overly surprising, that he bounced back today.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The FB and the I-Formation
I certainly think having the FB active in the game lead blocking for WP out of the I Formation will help the running game a hella lot! Hopefully the coaches saw that and will run more plays for it. I think that will help open things up for the short passes to Moore too.
If that works, then the offense can get back to score in the high 20’s as the WRs are more than enough to worry about. 28+ points per game for this team and the great D could really make the Super Bowl a real potential.
Perhaps tonight’s game was a major step forward. Tough schedule still to go….but there’s hope that great things can still be had!
by Ragnar808 on Nov 16, 2008 8:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
huge win
SD was TOUGH. Theyre not great but I thought it was very presumptous to feel we ‘should’ have won this game. We had to ‘earn’ this game, and we did.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Steelers are like all teams…they must earn all the wins. But when the Steelers have their prime time players on the field, I really feel they out-talent the Chargers. I felt they should have won, but “should have won” doesn’t always mean a victory.
by Ragnar808 on Nov 16, 2008 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Incredible Game
Penalties aside, the Steelers played a great game. The play where the SD guard should have had a hands to the face on Harrison, the other O lineman blcoking him was also holding. Harrison still hurried Rivers on that play. You can not ask a defense to do more than that. Fernando Bryant and William Gay played huge as fill ins.
Willie is a franchise running back. With Mewelde’s pass catching and Gary Russell possibly being a short down back, our stable of RBs is impressive.
Not sure about the love for Ben though. We are too tough on him in losses but let’s not be too generous in a win, either. On the first drive, Santonio beat his man when Ben threw it short. Also, I’m not sure Ben had great decision making today, despite his decision making. Receivers were running wide open all over the field and Ben did not always make the choice. On another play late in the game, Ben threw a ball to Hines between two guys short of the first. Hines broke a tackle to get the first, which saved Ben from criticism because he had a guy with more room to run on a drag. On another play, even brain dead Phil Simms pointed out two guys running open deep when Ben checked down. This happened on more plays also that I won’t go into. Ben played better, which is a good sign, but he’s far from “back.”
There is no reason 410 yards of offense should yield 9 points.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Nov 16, 2008 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Instead of “not sure Ben had great decision making today, despite his decsion making” I meant to say “despite his completion percentage.” The Mustache extends his sincerest apologies.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Nov 16, 2008 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno man
I’m not sure you can just say ‘despite being 75% in the snow, he wasn’t making good decisions’. He was tremendously accurate, found his TE, was precise on his quick hitting throws, made a couple of HUGE passes in the 20-25 yard range that proved his arm strength was ok.
Not sure what you’re referring to other than one not perfect pass to Holmes in the blustery conditions.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to make the same comment carl the stache did. I saw at least one, and I think two instances where santonio saved an obvious interception that ben threw. Kudos to holmes for keeping his eyes open, but lets not overlook these things.
Ben would have been tremendously accurate last week too if holmes had broken up two of those INTs.
by steelguy99 on Nov 17, 2008 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya', 'stache...
…If not for the 2 points the D picked up, and Kaeding missing a chip shot FG, the team would have went home empty handed.
When your defense holds LT to 50 yards at around 3 ypc average, and Rivers to 0 tds, 2 int, and a 43 QB rating, the club should win by 30 points.
Speaking of mustaches, didn’t Weathers work in porn back in the 70s? Pretty sure he did…:)
by robert ethan on Nov 16, 2008 9:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol 'chip shot'
42 yarder in the swilring Heinz Field. Riiight.
Oh and by the way, way to forget that we got that safety because our offense traveled all the way to the 1 yard line before getting stood up.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"..our offense traveled all the way to the 1 yard line before getting stood up.."
That’s my point, it was happening the whole game.
It seemed to me that the quibbles with the offense covered the bases, from coaching, to quarterbacking, to line play, to running backs. I didn’t ever see it as being about just one player, one coach, one game, or one scheme.
Despite the win, and despite the yardage they piled up, they didn’t manage a touchdown on an afternoon when the defense totally shut down one of the top QBs in the league. I don’t see that those concerns are answered in any real fashion today.
by robert ethan on Nov 16, 2008 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right on
If he didn’t work in porn, it would go down in history as the greatest waste of a mustache in porn history. It would have been a similar waste if the Steelers would have somehow not won this game with their incredible defense, a 100 yard rusher, a 300 yard passer, and no turnovers.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Nov 16, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've heard..
..it would have been more than just the waste of a great moustache. Can’t vouch for that, but I do remember the moustache and sideburns. Well into the 90s, I think.
by robert ethan on Nov 16, 2008 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily. you're forgetting
that all nate washington needs to do is stretch the freakin’ ball out over the goal line and ben has himself a touchdown pass.
...die trying
http://www.agentorangerecords.blogspot.com
by agentorange on Nov 16, 2008 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HIs hands were held in, good defensive play. Watch the tape.
by steelguy99 on Nov 17, 2008 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Credit to the O-Line
I thought this was the difference in the offense today. There were a few sacks, at least one was on Ben. And there were a few rushed plays. But for the most part, Ben had time to look around. And that brings production.
I thought Ben was overly careful….I’m sure Tomlin has been in his face all week. That’s why he was checking down at times he didn’t have to. But if I had to choose between overly-careful Ben and careless Ben, I’ll take the former. At this point anyway. Especially if Willie/Moore/Russell (who I’ve been calling for on 3rd downs) can keep it up.
The obvious problem in this game was penalties. And that the bs call at the end of the game took a TD away from my fantasy team.
by SteelerInVirginia on Nov 16, 2008 9:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
seriously
good thoughts.
But wtf, we were all clamoring for Ben to be CAREFUL with the ball. To not compromise our chances with waiting for the HR play down the field. He did exactly what we were hoping to see. It’s not his fault the refs sucked and our guys held a few times when it stalled us in a terrible part of the field. Ben did EVERYTHING we were asking for. I don’t get it.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken
You have a point: the offense probably would have produced a TD without the ridiculous penalties. Still, no TDs against a bottom feeder defense is not great.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Nov 16, 2008 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No I'm not complaining
More just trying to respond to the some of the comments above. If he was missing reads, it’s because he’s been told all week to make the safe plays. And he did just that. Playing carefully is not playing poorly, as we just saw.
So hopefully Tomlin and Co. can keep him focused on completing the pass and making the safe play while the line continues to gel and he regains his confidence, and then we’ll have the old Ben back just in time for the postseason.
by SteelerInVirginia on Nov 16, 2008 10:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah wasnt addressing my befuddlement at you, sorry wasnt clear
The points are valid. Its just today was an oddity in terms of points and penalties. But in terms of yardage, efficiency, ball protection = All superb.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 16, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
happy with ben
i generally agree with blitz on all of this: ben had a huge game. during the game someone mentioned the stats about when ben starts throwing the ball more than 20 or 25 games. but he defied that today. he played almost completely mistake free. too safe? maybe a little, but the score dictated that a bit, too, i think. as i mentioned above, he could have had a touchdown pass if washington had stretched out the ball over the goalline. he also had at least a couple of passes dropped. his line could have been even more impressive.
...die trying
http://www.agentorangerecords.blogspot.com
by agentorange on Nov 16, 2008 10:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
we're getting there
Some great points! I’d call it sort of an ugly win, but a W is a W. The D was awesome as usual. And our O showed promise….not quite there yet, but promising. Just need to finish off drives now! I’ll take the “safe Ben” any day over the “multiple Int Ben”. With our D this good, he needs to just not lose it for us. We have enough talent to pull out a win in most games without Ben throwing for 3 TDs.
by Steely Mcwho? on Nov 16, 2008 11:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Issues, issues, but big win
Yes, this team has issues. Its QB thinks throwing the ball away is a sin. The OL is subpar and this team is a finesse offense. But our “D” is nasty, and will only get better when we can get back a healthy B-Mac and Deshea and hopefully avoid injuries down the stretch.
- Do you get the feeling that this team’s coaching staff just doesn’t quite get it? Like playing Haggans over Lamarr Woodley this past year. Only allowing B. McFadden to get a starting position when Townsend went down when he should have been starting long before that. And finally, finally, — they’ve decided to give the ball to Gary Russell as their short yardage back. HELLLOOOOOO!!!!! I think I’ve been saying that Russell is the best short yardage back on this team for 2 years. Everyone on this board has my back on that. But even Jim Brown in his prime can’t pick up yards consistently if he’s getting hit by 2 or 3 different people 2 and 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage.
- Maybe next they’ll realize that McHugh needs to be your lead blocker on all short yardage plays and not Davis. Nah, I guess they can’t process two things being right at one time.
- Anyone who thinks M. Spaeth was a wasted 3rd pick this past year is singing a different tune now. Let’s hope he doesn’t disappear when Miller comes back, but I just don’t have much faith in this coaching staff to keep Spaeth involved. See a theme developing here?
- Can anyone get through to Ben how important it can be and how he can save his team some valuable field position by just learning to throw the ball away. It’s not that hard. If no one is open and you begin to feel the rush, throw it into the ground in the vicinity of a receiver wearing your colors. It really is simple. These garbage sacks take away valuable field position, put more pressue on our shaky OL and inconsistent offense in general, and gives the other’s teams D confidence. And if I am one of his OL, I’m getting upset because Ben is taking money off the table for me in the future.
- If I’m Tomlin, I’m auditioning punters again this week as well. That Ernster guy was pretty horrible.
- I wonder if the NFL will reverse that last play and give Polamula his TD. Probably not, but that definitely wasn’t a forward pass. That interception by Palomula in the first half was beyond incredible. When he’s healthy, he’s a tonesetter for a D. So is Aaron Smith, James Harrison, Lamarr Woodley, and B. McFadden.
- Don’t look now, but our special teams coverages are … looking like what a team’s special teams coverages should be. They are playing pretty well. I think G. Russell will be fine as the kickoff returner. He just has to remember that you must catch the ball first before you can run. He does what all good returners do, though. And that is “Get it and Go!”
- Too many penalties. And that pass interference on Ike was bogus. William Gay played a heck of game tonight. He probably allowed the team to rest B. McFadden on Thursday, giving his forearm another 2 weeks to heal.
- Did anyone else’s heart skip a beat when D. Stapleton went down? It doesn’t say much for our offensive line, but he just might be the team’s best OL at this point. Hartwig has played pretty well and Starks has done a decent job as well. Chris K is very inconsistent and Colon isn’t a tackle.
- For those of you who like good reading, read the audible section in Pro Football Weekly each week where team officials and scouts throughout the league talk about teams, players, and coaches to the magazine and the mag prints their comments anonymously. This past week, one scout said he is amazed that the team is winning with Starks, Colon and Trai Essex on the line. He said those 3 lineman were ‘terrible" and "couldn’t even play dead in a Western." Ouch!
- I get the feeling that Larry Z and Bruce Arians won’t be around next year. And as long as Dick LeBeau is, who cares?
- You give me 24 points from this offense the rest of the way and this team will run the table. However, with our OL and a QB that won’t throw the ball away, this team is a long way from being able to put up 24 points consistently a game.
Thoughts?
by datruth4life on Nov 16, 2008 11:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good points
I share a lot of those thoughts. Poor decisions on personnel. You forget the decision to start Colon at RT over Starks. Starks hasn’t been great, but he is playing better than Colon overall and he is playing at LT, which means he is facing teams best pass rushers, as opposed to playing on the right side.
Also, someone has to take the blame for 9 points against the 26th ranked defense. This win was big, and a W is all that matters, but as our last SB run and the Giants SB showed, it is not your record but how you are playing at the end of the year that matters most in the playoffs. Happy to get the win, but everything is not sunshine and rainbows yet. On the bright side, we will be in every gamein the 4th quarter with this defense, so if the offense steps up, we can be great.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Nov 17, 2008 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
something to remember about points scored versus that D
I’m not making excuses or whatnot or thinking that 9 points is ok against this D but….
I think it is important to remember that it was damn cold. This typically results in poorer play (I believe), especially in the dropped passes department. Besides that one (maybe two?) drop(s) by Nate our WR held onto that ball. There, perhaps, should have been more turnovers as well. Ball spilling out of the hand during a pass or fumbles, yet they were absent from our team. Just something to think about. Maybe if it were warmer we would have had I don’t know, 17 points.
by shleeve on Nov 17, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I almost swallowed my cope again when Stapleton went down.
Some good comments there Truth: Penalties are one of our nemiseses (SP?), but because (here is the conspiricy theory) I have watched all year as we have been held to a different standard than the teams we have played. How come we keep getting huge panalties on big plays? And how come the refs always seem to miss the penalties on the other teams that even I can see? Troubling.
by WyoFan on Nov 17, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Random Thoughts
Go to this URL -
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/11/16/blown.call.ap/index.html
and read the ref’s explanation of what they were doing, and when you’re done laughing, watch the embedded video. You will get a chance to see Troy’s pick and watch the final play. There is no way that any call other than TD for Troy could have been made. No ball touched the ground, Rivers only had it once, etc.
On the no illegal contact because Ben was outside the tackles—hooey, it was holding pure and simple. Blatant BS on the Ike Taylor pass interference.
Lot’s of yardage, too many penalties [a little one-sided from my foxhole] and not enough points. 11 a game isn’t going to get it done.
I thought Trai came in and performed soldily as a fill-in late in the game.
Harrison is a monster, pure and simple. How can you not like harrison, Keisel and Smith.
Spaeth played over the top today. He is no Heath Miller, but Matt was their for the team today.
Off the schneid on 1600 games.
Ben can’t throw long and should quit trying-unless he flings it 50 yards while the receivers are 30 yards up from the LOS. Nothing wrong with the passes chosen today; they got the job done.
by tenthmtnman on Nov 17, 2008 12:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Upon further, further review ...
That first lateral could have been forward.
by tenthmtnman on Nov 17, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben was not the problem...
Except as others have mentioned that probably two of those sacks were on him holding the ball too long – the penalties were the O-killers in there. One thing I know has been mentioned before, but on alot of snaps he’s loosing a second or so of reaction/field viewing time on having to pull the snap down from the heavens. Surely the high snaps aren’t helping things out.
I for one was appreciative of the conservative passing game, and the return of my man FWP. I was worried how he might do, but he sure stuffed that in the trash. It seemed like every tackle on him was just by the last bit of his cleats – he was so close a bunch of times to really breaking it. Maybe against the bungles.
by SCSteeler on Nov 17, 2008 9:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I know you and I have mentioned the high snaps a few times. It is amazing to me that they haven’t worked on this issue more. Hartwig is doing fine in coverage, but he needs to work on his damn snaps. They’re awful, and there’s no excuse for them.
by steelguy99 on Nov 17, 2008 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Offense looked so much better...
Yes, we did not punch it in, but that was before we “found” Russel as our short yardage guy. After that the penalties just killed us from finishing the drives. Overall, I’m extremely pleased at how the offense moved the ball, much better than previous weeks. One step at a time, next week against the Bungles we can run up and down the field and punch it in.
Black and Gold till I die!
by IowaSteeler on Nov 17, 2008 9:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t too happy we had Moore trying to make that goal line run. I know the O wanted to have the option to pass, but FWP was having himself a game yesterday. Why run it with Moore?
by steelguy99 on Nov 17, 2008 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ben's shoulder problems suck in that situation
With 4 inches to go for a TD I want a QB sneak with my 250 lb qb, but his bloody shoulder is to delicate as we saw from the redskins. I’d also prefer a FB quick hit than a slow developing play to the left side (hmmm… have i seen that play somewhere)
by Chicago Steeler on Nov 17, 2008 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my thought. Now looking forward, with FWP playing and Russel’s success yesterday, we should not be seeing MM get stuffed at the goal line anymore.
Black and Gold till I die!
by IowaSteeler on Nov 17, 2008 10:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ben much better, but...
Kudos to Ben for a great performance, especially for not taking unnecessary risks. But it is clear that the shoulder injury is still affecting his plays in a few ways.
- His deep throws are consistently short. Blitz mentioned the windy conditions yesterday, but this has been a problem for the past several weeks. Sooner or later, DBs will realize they can just stop, turn around, and get an easy pick.
- The Steelers have not run a QB sneak since Ben was injured on the sneak in the Redskins game, despite (as you may recall) several short-yardage opportunities. It’s hard to fault the coaches for not wanting Ben to get (more) injured, but why not put Byron in on short-yardage situations? He can hand off as well as Ben can, he can sneak it, and he can pass if he has to.
- Ben’s accuracy seems to fall off as the game goes on. He had one incompletion in the first quarter (the long pass to Santonio), three in the second quarter, six in the third quarter, and then he sucked it up to complete six-for-six on the final drive. I think the shoulder wears down over the course of the game, particularly when he is getting hit a lot, and that makes it harder for him to be accurate.
All in all, if Ben plays the way he did yesterday, this team can go a long way, but it’s clear that he is still not all right. Maybe we should rest him for the Bungles game.
by Steelin on Nov 17, 2008 12:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not "Just A Win"
There is so much more here than just a win. Yeah, we had a lot of yards and very few points (If Troy’s touchdown had counted, the D would have scored as much as the O). We overcame huge adversity. Over 100 yards in penalties! The f-ing refing against us this year has been beyond bad. But we didn’t quit on either side of the ball and gutted out a character win. There were a lot of oppurtunities to let this one go, but The Steelers fought to the end and came away with a righteous win.
Madden said it one Sunday night: That Ben is the type of QB that needs to practice throughout the week. I think we found out how right he was. Ben looked much better.
Okay, in short yardage situations at the goal line, how many of you guessed that we would try to run the same play that failed so miserably multiple times against the Colts? Me too. Notice, the succesful short yardage running plays came behind Stapleton? Only problem is now, EVERYONE knows that Arians likes to go back to a play that works over and over (or doesn’t work).
I’m still high on M&M, but FWP is still “The Man”. His is just so much better at the burst. He is just so much more dangerous. I was reading Peter King this morning and he said that Parker needs shoulder surgery. Now, how huge was his day? Character.
So, when The Steelers are in a close game with a team like Dallas, who do you think has the character to play to the end? In a year of extreme adversity, 7-3 is pretty darn good. I’ll tale The Steelers and their record over Tennessee and theirs.
GO STEELERS!
by WyoFan on Nov 17, 2008 12:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe nobody has gone there.
The refs were BLATANTLY shaving points in this game. It was only blatant because the Steelers outplayed the Chargers to the point of embarassment, and even then everyone acts like they don’t notice.
Points:
1) The PI on Ike in the end zone on the pass that was overthrown by 5 yds giving SD a gift TD.
2) The illegal formation on Willie Colon. I have never, in 15 years of playing and watching football, seen that called on an OL before. I have seen warnings, I have received warnings (when I was a OT in middle school), but I’ve never seen it called. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that it happened in the same game that the Steelers were penalized 13 to 1 over the Chargers. Right.
3) The 5-6 blatant holding calls on SD’s OL that were IGNORED. One of them involved 92 splitting Diehlman and McNeil and bursting into the backfield, at which point both SD OL practically mugged Harrison, allowing Rivers to get the ball away. Other than that play, Harrison was held on almost every passing down that he didn’t drop into coverage, but that was the most blatant.
4) The “misinterpretation” of the illegal forward pass rule. “There was some confusion about which pass we were looking at.” What he really means: “We had to take a quick break to count our money before we made up a reason why we could blow the call.” Pretty convenient how this sealed the win for Vegas, with roughly 70% of the bets vs. the spread and 65% of the money line bets losing as a result of that blown call. Quite a coincidence, and quite a windfall for the sports books.
Any 1 of these things by themselves isn’t a big deal. Put them all together and it looks like a black eye for the league. I hope those responsible get caught and go to prison.
by JHolmes on Nov 18, 2008 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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