Perfect Script? No. Matter? No. Steelers Improve To 8-3
Another week, another win for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Outstanding defense in the middle part of the game, just enough late offense, and admirable job ball security wise throughout all helped Pittsburgh escape Week 12 with a 27-10 victory over the Cincinnati Bengals. Some thoughts on the game:
* Although we didn't learn much about the team tonight necessarily, I would contend that when Pittsburgh has faced inferior opponents this season, the team has demonstrated it is not so fatally flawed as to fall flat on its face at any given moment, regardless of the opponent. What am I talking about? Well, last year we stumbled against the Jets and the Cardinals in games where our opponents did not play overwhelmingly solid.
* It'd be hard to hand out a grade of A+ or even A to our offensive line, but I don't see how you could ding them too badly for their efforts tonight either. 0 sacks allowed, and 121 yards rushing. Mind you, those 121 rushing yards came on 37 carries, good for just a 3.3 ypc average. But the second half rushing figures were substantially better than the 1st half numbers.
* # of 3 and outs for Pittsburgh offense: 3.
# of 3 and outs for Cincinnati Offense: 7! Including 6 straight at one point!
* I didn't think it was possible for our defensive numbers to improve too much tonight. They did. The Bengals accumulated just 208 total yards on 58 plays. The 3.6 ypp is lower than our already historically impressive 3.8 ypp. WOW.
* Sure, the sack numbers weren't what we thought they might be, but really, matters not. It was obvious that Bengals QB Ryan Fitzpatrick was going to get rid of the ball before the Steelers pass rushers could make 'game-changing' type plays with their pressure. The result was throws made out of rhythm and before WRs had found much separation. Fitzpatrick finished the night 20/37 for just 165 yards.
* Aaron Smith is good at football. You know what? He's really underappreciated as a sick athlete too. He's not just a savvy blue-collar, bring your lunch pail to work player. He's both. Awesome.
* So is Jeff Reed. No, no. Not the crazy good athlete part. Just good at what he's paid a hefty salary to do out there. Missing FGs like the ones he made can change the complexion of games, particularly at home when it's best not to give the visitors any extra reason to think they have a shot. Not long kicks or anything, but in the snow, I'm just pleased he's cash so often.
* 37 runs, 30 passes. That's the kind of balance and distribution I think most of us would prefer to see. Let's take a step back though. The temptation to abandon the run in the 2nd half was VERY real for Bruce Arians. We were really struggling to run it in the first half which told me that it was clear Arians had every intention of being patient with the run this evening. But after an entire first half of general futility, it could have been very easy to not stick with it in the third and early fourth quarters.
* We'll see what 10 days does for Willie Parker and his sprained knee. You have to admire his toughness last week rushing for 100+ yards with a throbbing shoulder. But knee sprains are an entirely different animal. He's such a competitor but it's just nearly impossible to make an impact with that kind of lingering issue. I think we can get some things done with Mewelde Moore and Gary Russel, but I sure hope FWP gets healthy enough down the line to make a few more critical contributions to our team.
* Speaking of Moore. Just when we're about ready to write him off as somebody who's valuable but not quite capable of being relied upon consistently, he comes through with a tremendous second half to help propel us to 17 2nd half points and the victory. He finished with 56 yards on 14 carries, and something like 44 yards on a 60+ yard TD drive in the 2nd half.
* William Gay may not look like Champ Bailey or Bryant McFadden physically, but he's got a nice little football mind. Other than the 4th and 1 play along the sideline by Amani Toomer in the NYG game, I'm having a hard time thinking of an instance where Gay's been out of position out there. I hope his dropped INT though was not a sign that he's got a little bit of Face Me Ike in him.
* Again, beating the Bengals 27-10 doesn't really tell us much about how much we may be improving, but like I said, I think it's a sign we're certainly not heading backwards. Just thought I'd say that again. And yes, I agree, that should be the case as a year progresses, but it's not always so for a myriad potential reasons. Just look at last year.
* I wasn't thrilled about the design of the running attack we deployed for most of the first half. Between Parker's ailments and the slippery track out there, I thought it wasn't too wise to try some of those slower developing 'stretch' runs off guard or tackle. It was clear to me that it was a touch too difficult for both RBs and OL to firmly entrench their feet to either make cuts or stay on balance enough to seal off linemen. Better job in the 2nd half, though I guess Moore deserves some of the credit springing some positive plays on similarly designed calls.
* Anybody else remember how teammates and coaches said Limas Sweed was too hard on himself this offseason? Anybody catch how digusted with himself he looked on the sideline following his mistake on special teams that turned the ball back over to the Bengals? He'll learn. He's trying. I'm glad he got a chance to make a couple of plays in the 2nd half.
* It was meaningless in the outcome, and there's no question about whether or not Polamalu is heading to Honolulu, but it's always nice to see such an amazing player and teammate garner a bit more attention due to personal statistics.
* Of the 11 times the Steelers have played, opposing fanbases have had to hang their heads and discuss a defeat. I'm glad we have less practice feeling that way.
* More later, including an update on the always dynamic injury situation. Thoughts?
* P.S. NFL Network's simulcasts online are a joke. If their intention was to make me want to purchase the network, they failed.
* P.S.S. Snow be damned, our punting was sad tonight. For those scoring at home, we averaged 28.4 yards per punt. Might we be welcoming in our 4th punter of the year by the time we take the field next in 10 days?
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When i left work at 10:00...10-7 Steelers
I was disgusted by the time i got to the bar to watch the second half because i was honestly expecting more of a 17-0 score. First of all, i`m tired of this NFL network garbage. My mood took a turn as the Steeler offense finally showed some life. What put a big smile on my face was the two screen passes that worked to perfection. All year teams have been blitzing us up the middle, and while i`m no offensive mastermind, i have been begging Arians to throw in more screens.
I agree Blitz, Gay really seems like he is rarely out of position. I thought when B-mac and Townsend went down our pass D would suffer, but Gay has really shown that he can play. Nice to see Limas make a few plays. Better get his feet wet now because if we lose Washington next year we will need him to step up.
I wont even address the D because i cant really say any more about it. Just miserable.
by SteelerDomination on Nov 21, 2008 4:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
not just miserable..downright AWFUL. lebeau has GOT to go :)
damn dude, long night at work. I wasnt free till 10 either. Hence having to watch some online.
one thing i didnt really emphasize in post was how bad the conidtions were. Swirling winds. Big Ben deserves some credit for a nice game. Had some errant throws early, but he settled in. He’s going to be fine.
Also, was good to see him run a lil more.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 21, 2008 5:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could it be
that his shoulder has healed up since he WAS running again?
by Jonny B. on Nov 21, 2008 8:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I’m amazed no one mentioned was that Ben almost threw two beautiful interceptions to the bengals. Bad throws directly to the bengals that they should have caught. We’re lucky the bengals are the bengals. Hopefully after a week of practice he’ll be more on target against the pats, because that won’t stand then. Hell, that won’t stand for the rest of the season. We need more accurate passing from Ben.
Absolutely great to see him use his feet again. Defenses are not going to be happy.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
only complaints about Ben
ben threw about 4 balls that were interceptable. especially the early screen pass (what was he thinking?)
still letting the play clock dwindle down. better defenses use this timing and own the steelers offensive line. ben needs to make his adjustments more quickly. Not sure if he is smart enough to diagnose defenses, change play calls, and make protection adjustments. (I’m not calling ben dumb, I’m just saying that he is more of a playmaker than a cerebral qb like Manning, Brady, Brees)
But, overall no turnovers, using his legs (dove in endzone on “injured” shoulder btw), and spreading the ball around to different receivers is a positive sign for this offense.
by bradyquinnsclipboard on Nov 21, 2008 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gay does always seem to be in position, but there was another play on 3rd and short that he got juked by TJ. It wasn’t the juke that was the issue, CBs have a right to get burned on short passes every once in awhile, but he missed the open field tackle on TJ. His open field tackling needs work, but generally good job.
Anyone else happy that we’ll be getting our CBs back? Not because of Gay, but because of Mr. Fernando. The guy is slow and I heard his name way too often. 4th string WRs were making plays on him, that is unacceptable.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great write up Blitz
As always.
Totally agree re Smith and Sweed.
And it seems that Tomlin noticed the punting as well. He basically called it awful and indicated that Ernster is gone. Curiously our back-up punter is James Harrison, who has been reported to boot the ball over 70 yards in practice. Although that only happened once when someone pasted a picture of Brady Quinn on it. More often than not he grabs it in his teeth and starts biting it.
by SteelerBuddha on Nov 21, 2008 8:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No way ernster can get a job in the NFL anymore.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The good news
When the long snap reaches Harrison he just holds it and stares at the defense daring them to come attempt to block the punt. The defense meekly returns to their sidelines agreeing that it would be better for all involved to let the Steelers offense stay on the field.
by Chicago Steeler on Nov 21, 2008 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe Harrison can long snap it to himself?
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maybe not…….
by shleeve on Nov 22, 2008 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
I think the defense was too excited at the beginning of the game, like everyone was expecting 12 sacks and 5 turnovers. After the somewhat embarrassing TD drive, they settled in. We didn’t have any huge plays; everyone just did their job and the result was 6 straight 3 and outs. I have to commend the Bengals OC, their rookie OL’s and Fitz for keeping at least a little pressure on our offense.
In general though, this was the mythical “Steelers football”. We ran stubbornly, and passed effectively without turning the ball over. We imposed our will over the course of the game, and for the 2nd straight game we held the ball for 35 minutes. We effectively had 3 straight scoring drives of over 50 yards in the middle of the game, and we wore down an improving Bengals defense to put the game away.
The only times I remember Ben even getting hit were when we took off with the ball. He also got rid of the ball better and didn’t take too many chances (although there were 2 close int’s).
The offense we’ve seen in our last 2 games is built around taking care of the football, keeping our defense fresh, and wearing down opponents. This is a blueprint for an offense that can successfully complement our defense. To put it another way, we might be developing an offensive identity we can win a Super Bowl with. It’s basically a slightly more pass oriented version of the traditional Steelers offenses, which makes sense because we have a better QB than those offenses did. Still, we’ll have to continue to perform when we play better defenses. It was nice to see the plan work against more of a man-to-man defense than we saw against the Colts or Chargers. The defenses get better every week until it culminates with the Ravens and Titans, so we’ll see pretty soon if our offense has the chance to put something together in the playoffs.
A few other observations:
- Gary Russel did everything he was asked to do last night. I thought his 4th down plunge was incredible, since there was no hole. He powered his way there. Last week he just ran up big holes in the gut. He even made a tackle on ST.
- Yay dong int for Pola!! Only a DPOY candidate could do that!!!!
- Aaron Smith, our best pass defender.
- FWP, Keisel, Holmes. Did anyone else get injured? The announcers never mentioned FWP’s injury, and I was thinking, boy, they’re really sharing the carries today… oh no… we never share carries… what’s wrong with FWP? Holmes probably had a concussion, and will be back in a week or two. No idea about the rest of those guys though. Fortunately, we have some capable backups, especially at DE. If FWP misses more time, I’d like to see Moore and Russel share the load. Russel has earned more PT by his ST’s and short yardage work. He really could be a battering ram type of back.
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by BadMaafala on Nov 21, 2008 8:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
FWP
Didn’t it look like he was limping on his last run (the 15 yarder)? It looked like he turned the corner and then tweaked a hamstring and just did what he could to pick up yards and get to the sideline. It looked like he was getting out of bounds before he got hit and he immediately turned around and motioned to the sidelines for someone else to go in.
by cgolden on Nov 21, 2008 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
running strategy commentary
One thing I liked about this game was that often when we picked up heavy yardage on a 1st down run we’d just line right on up and run it the 2nd down. Hell, one time we even stuck with it for third down and converted. That’s what I like to see.
The problem is we have a hard time on those 1st down runs and until the 2nd half didn’t seem to be consistently getting anywhere on them. I wouldn’t mind if we tried to get 4-5 yards on a quick pass on 1st down and then run or play action on 2nd down. Defenses stack the box on 1st down and our offensive line can’t clear it out.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Russell looks good returning the ball too
much better than Davenport
by bradyquinnsclipboard on Nov 21, 2008 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re Blitz
As always, poignant observations Blitz. Re your comments and some of my own. Sorry if I seem a little negative after a W but it was a sloppy game (in sloppy conditions);
1) Thought both units (O & D) came out very sluggish. D got it together quick. O took all night. While 45 above states we seem to be gaining an O identity and I greatly respect his opinion, I am not sure I see it. Against a team that is 1-8 and injured Arians script failed miserably through 3 quarters. Can’t give O line an A because they opened no holes until late after fatigue and injury struck Cincy. Steelers D is playoff caliber.
2) Kudos to Fitz and a banged up O line with no 85 to throw to. If the Bungals fire Marvin Lewis and LeBeau is ready to retire (gosh I hope not!) I would hire Lewis to coach the D.
3) Jeff Reed is money. Steelers were getting nothing out of their K game when they invited a bunch of post college kickers into Heinz to show their stuff. They found Skippy. It can happen! What is the FO waiting for? I have been banging on Ernster since training camp remembering this ex Brownies first (and last) game of 2007. He didn’t cost them the game last night but will down the road against better competition if the Steelers don’t make a move. You mean no one else can hold? Ward can’t? Putrid punting! Let the tryouts begin. My kingdom for a Craig Colquitt or Bobby Walden!
4) 7 was awesome in the wind. I wouldn’t say that if the Bengals had held the couple INT thrown right to them but they didn’t and I will. Moore is O MVP. Biggest FA pickup since Farrior in 04. Why isn’t Aaron Smith in the Pro Bowl every year?
5) He has time but Limas Sweed has shown me nothing. He seems very timid out there. He didn’t pick up the 1st down near the goal forcing the Steelers to go 4th and 1 (praise Russell!) screwed up the punt at the half and then got flagged for the out of bounds block. Dude better wake up and improve. As great as the 07 draft looks the 08 draft appears weak. Lots of time to change that opinion but right now looks like FO whiffed in 08.
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by 5020 on Nov 21, 2008 8:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
totally agree on the offense..I see the identity FORMING…i see it coming together, i don’t know if it’s going to be in time though.
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Nov 21, 2008 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Limas
looks a little lost out there. Didn’t seem to play with great effort toward the goal line, he really went down easy on that first pass he caught. I think thats a tougher position to pick up quickly. He’ll get it…I hope. He did make some nice plays on 3rd down though and redeemed himself for his ST mistake when he caught that critical 3rd down ball late in the game. He’s a work in progress and I think he will be fine.
by Silverback92 on Nov 21, 2008 9:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
valid points fitty
Still, I don’t see how the offense failed us in the first 3 quarters. Our defense and ST didn’t do us any favors field position wise, but we still had 20 points ~275 yards and held the ball for nearly 29 minutes through 3 quarters. I’m not going to complain about those numbers with the weather being what it was. We ran the ball until it hurt in the first half while Ben carried the offense, then we wore them down in the second half. Also, there is a connection between how much we ran and the fact that Ben was able to stay upright.
Our offense wasn’t particularly efficient, but it was effective, and that’s what we need it to be. No, it’s not a Colts style blow ‘em out of the water offense, but it’s pretty similar to what’s going on in Tennessee right now, and our defense is better than theirs. If we can keep Ben from getting hit and not turn the ball over (and get a new punter), we can beat anyone.
As far as identity goes, we’re still not great at anything, but it’s an improvement over the random assortment of plays we’ve see Arians pull out before. For the past few games, we’ve focused on establishing the run and the short passing game, not making mistakes, keeping 3rd downs manageable, and putting together time consuming drives. At times, this has opened up the deep passing game as well. The main thing it does is keep our defense off the field and wear down opposing defenses. This is an offensive plan that compliments our defense, whereas before the offense was trying to win games it didn’t need to win.
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by BadMaafala on Nov 21, 2008 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hear Ya 45
You also have a valid points. If that is their ID so be it. Don’t make mistakes and keep D fresh. Don’t think they run or throw like Titans (Collins healthier than Ben not better) but like the Steelers D and their playoff savvy better.
Will state this on BA, until the last 16 seconds of the 3rd quarter it was a 6 point game against a 1-9 team. While our ID is our ID, I don’t like it at all. I think with the talent on the O we should be better and I am looking forward to a new OC next year unless we win the SB. That said, I state again, I am very biased against Steelers OC’s since forever. Erhardt and Whiz were the only ones I liked so I am biased and my opinion of BA is a bit tainted.
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by 5020 on Nov 21, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
God do I miss the Whiz…I can only imagine how we would be if he had stuck around…maybe we can win the Super Bowl this year and hype up BA as the GREATEST OC EVER!!!!! OMG!!….and maybe he’ll go coach the Lions or something :)
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Nov 21, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Point 2
I was thinking the same thing. If Lebeau is close to retiring, we should hire Marvin as our DC. He was DC at Baltimore when they won the SB.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 21, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just glad to see Limas being used
Especially around the goal line. Ben wanted a tall wr especially for the red zone. I’d love to see Limas continue to develop as the playoffs get closer. If he can start being a regular part of the offense (similar to Steve Smith’s contribution on the Giants as a rookie last season), this will make the Steelers offense much more potent.
by bradyquinnsclipboard on Nov 21, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
as stated I will give him time. It is tough for a 1st year receiver. Possible with 86 and 10 tutoring he will develop but as far as first impressions go I am not impressed with any of the draft picks from 08.
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by 5020 on Nov 21, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not very high on 10 tutoring anyone quite yet.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very High on 10?
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by 5020 on Nov 21, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would assume the reason your not High on 10, is he is High enough for everyone
by frankrmineo on Nov 21, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what's up with woodson?
long time listener, first time caller…
I watched the game online last night – first time. The quality wasn’t bad, but they only show about 1/3 of the game action. So between that, the ESPN gamecast, and two different online radio stations, I caught most of the game.
I thought the beloved dominated the game physically and simply beat up the bungles. Outside of the corner blitzes, there was nothing too exotic. Seemed like the coaches knew they could line up and exert their will without having to show anything (i.e., a preseason mentality).
Quicknotes: Welcome back Heath. Ben’s a great team guy, have you ever seen a QB get so involved after throwing a hospital pass (holmes slant that he got rung up on). Too many drops last night.
What really bothered me though, was Rod Woodson on the NFL.com webcast. He was very critical of the steelers saying they were not a SB team. That Ben was very slow. Basically he took a shot at the steelers every chance he got. Does anyone know if he is bitter?
I like the comment about Harrison punting – reminds me of the Chuck Norris mythology. James Harrison counted to infinity – twice. There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Silverback has allowed to live.
That’s all for me…
by woodley fan on Nov 21, 2008 8:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
thats funny, i watched the game live so didnt hear rod
but after the game he picked them as his number 2 team in the AFC and possibly super bowl bound, if purely for their defense
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Nov 21, 2008 8:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Woodson
Rod loves the Steelers. Weird that he was down on them yesterday. His post game on TV was not highly critical. IMO your statement is in direct contradiction to how he portrays the Steelers on TV during his time on NFL Network. In fact the other hosts usually needle him about his Steeler Love.
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by 5020 on Nov 21, 2008 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t be surprised if he was just being overly critical to balance out his ‘homerism’ at times. You’ll hear Troy Aikman and Moose Johnston do the same thing with the Cowboys at times. They all love the team that they played for but sometimes they’ve got to be critical just to balance out the coverage.
by cgolden on Nov 21, 2008 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
rod makes an attempt to not look like a homer, and goes a little overboard. On total access on the network, he gets almost comical in some of his support for all things steelers. A guy i work with is a big cowboy fan and hates with a passion to see aikman do cowboy games.
In my opinoin buck and aikman are the best team going.
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by elirock83 on Nov 21, 2008 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rod loves the steelers and makes it well known on total access on the regular
hes going to be inducted in the h.o.f as a steeler
by bradyquinnsclipboard on Nov 21, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's Rod
Woodson is always picking against the Steelers. I think its like Cowher’s reverse psychology when he said the Steelers would finish 3rd in the division. Take it with a grain of salt. Trust me Rod knows what the D is capable of and with him being a D player, he will always say its the O that’s holding the team back…and in recent weeks he has been right.
He’s not bitter, you see him at games, he’s being objective, remember he has a job in the media so he can’t be completely biased toward the Steelers all the time.
by Silverback92 on Nov 21, 2008 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome back Heath
Heath makes the offense go in my opinion. His ability to run block cannot be overlooked. Hopefully he remains a large part of the passing game. I love seeing him drag 3-4 defenders upfield.
by bradyquinnsclipboard on Nov 21, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Heath’s YAC are impressive for the routes he usually runs. He’s almost always being contacted soon after catching, and yet he still gets some hard fought yards.
by Chicago Steeler on Nov 21, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
Great right up. William Gay…really digging on this kid. I think he deserves time at NB when Deshea gets healthy or really gives us the opprotunity to not rush Deshea back. As far as I could see, he only got beat by TJ once last night. I definitely hope he has better hands that Ike and was a little disappointed he dropped that ball.
Russell welcome to your new role of short yardage back. Great second effort to convert the fourth down and keep our drive alive. I look foward to more of him.
Though McHugh (sp?) did a good job at FB. Not terribly worried if Willie is hurt..would rather him be healthy but if he is out for a while I am interested to see how Davis works out as a HB along with Russell.
Ben is that you? I haven’t seen Ben play like that since last season. So proud of the big guy running a little and making plays. I don’t think his shoulder is feeling any better but way to be tough!
Hope the guys get some rest and we get healthy with the extended time off. We are going to need our guys to be refreshed and play hard for another 5 games so we can get another bye week at the end of the regular season. For my own personal sake I need wins in the next two games, especially against Dallas since that is where I live and work!
Good job Steelers! Oh and Santonio, way to hold on to the ball, sorry you got smashed but way to be tough!
by Silverback92 on Nov 21, 2008 8:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
in my haste to post didn’t mention some of your thoughts but heartily agree;
1) Gay’s play spells “C Ya” for McFadden who will break the bank next year. With Gay the Steelers are covered when 20 leaves.
2) McHugh blocked his ass off. Love those PSU players!
3) Great observation on Ben after his “hospital pass” By the way, love that term. Never used it before.
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by 5020 on Nov 21, 2008 9:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
almost forgot
McHugh for Fullback!!!
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by BadMaafala on Nov 21, 2008 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gay
I want to see him play like that for a couple more games first, but it would be huge if we could let BMac or Deshea leave and plug this kid in.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Nov 21, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d still like to have BMac, but having Gay/Deshea gives us huge leverage on the contract. BMac won’t care about leverage though, he’ll just care about greenbacks, and someone else will give them to him. I imagine the FO will try to make a deal happen but I don’t think they’ll try overly hard, which would be too bad because while gay is solid, BMac is special.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BMac
I think the Steelers let go of Clark, move Deshea to safety and show BMac the money. Gay stays a backup.
by PensFan024 on Nov 21, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know why we’d let go of clark and move deshea. Clark is a perfectly fine safety and is only very marginally more expensive than townsend, and he’s a few years younger than the aging townsend.
In your situation gay wouldn’t be a backup, he’d move to being the nickleback, which is completely fine with me. Regardless of what happens I think he’ll probably move into being that spot anyhow as he slowly takes it away from townsend.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not certain, but I think Clark is a free agent this year as well. If he is, he certainly has earned a raise. I agree that Clark is a perfectly fine safety (although I do miss Hope) but the Steelers invested a second round pick, I think, and second round money into BMac so I just don’t see them letting him go easily. They didn’t even get a full year of starting out of him.
by PensFan024 on Nov 21, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope they don’t let BMac go easily, but I don’t think that clark’s money is key in locking him up. There’s a lot more money sitting around in people like Marvel Smith and Kendall Simmons. The FO is going to have their hands full this off-season, but Clark should be an easy signing. He’s done okay but hasn’t been amazing, so he gets a mild raise. Everyone should be happy with that.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
B Mac
is gone dude. His agent is Boras or someone like that. The Steelers have a history of not negotiating during the season. He will get offered a lot more money than the Steelers will pay. And finally, William Gay appears to be a good player.
Re Clark, wasn’t last year his first with the Steelers? He didn’t play in 06 did he? I do not think he is a FA yet.
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by 5020 on Nov 21, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he started 06
Cause Hope left after the SB and we brought in Clark. Then 07 they split snaps between clark and A. Smith.
I think he’s got 1 more year after this on contract, so we’re not down a free safety.
I hope we offer a modest contract to B-Mac. If he wants Nate Clemens money, let him wonder off to Oakland.
by Chicago Steeler on Nov 21, 2008 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not so sure about BMac
remember, before this season he was barely on anyone’s radar (unless their radar was in pittsburgh). he has two interceptions, sure, but he’s also missed 5 games (i believe). i’m not say he’ll stick around, but in my opinion, he’s going to have to put up some pretty impressive numbers at the end of the season, and in the postseason, to get any top dollar offers.
but if he does take off, i’m cool with #22 starting next year.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Nov 21, 2008 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was Ben’s way of saying “next time catch the deep ball and you won’t have to do this”.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by the way
if my memory of Cincy games serves me well….we NEVER sack them much. I don’t know what it is but we can’t ever seem to get it done against them.
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Nov 21, 2008 9:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone catch the NFL Networks pre game show?
They had a segment on some kind of “one wish” premise where they asked players from both teams what they would wish for if they got ‘one wish.’ As you could imagine most of them focused on this game or on health but something that jumped out at me was the difference between TJ Doucemanzadeh and Hines Ward answer. (I’m going from memory so this isn’t word for word but you’ll get the idea).
Ward – Just want to win this game, just want to be 8-3.
Doucheman – Just want to make it through the season healthy so I can get paid in March. (he’s a free agent after this season)
If anyone watching the telecast wanted to know the difference between the Steelers and Bengals, they learned it right there. We play for pride, desire and an unbelievable need to win. They play for money and personal comforts.
by cgolden on Nov 21, 2008 9:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I actually text my buddy those quotes when said. Everyone wished for a W. One guy I think said peace. TJ is a Douche.
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by 5020 on Nov 21, 2008 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i freaking
hate Housh. He is nothing but an ass. All he ever does is showboat after every catch. I like Lewis, but he has no control over this team, and I’m glad he tried to establish some over CJ. I have played sports competitively my whole life and I couldn’t imagine getting up and dancing over a normal play, like a reception or tackle, and gloating when my team was in the midst of such a miserable season.
by steelerark on Nov 21, 2008 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i like him better than ocho cinco, but...
hes getting old and i’ll be happy if someone picks him up outside the division
by bradyquinnsclipboard on Nov 21, 2008 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
At the end of the game i think collinsworth, who i can’t stand, had some very good points. Paraphrasing here, That cincy needs to build a team like pittsburgh and baltimore to win this division. Don’t spend lots of money and wr’s and cb’s spend it on guys in the trenches. There are reasons why guys like tj, chad 8-5, and henry play for the bengals, loser x 3.
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by elirock83 on Nov 21, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of the pregame
did they get a commission for every time they showed Ward breaking Rivers’ jaw? I honestly think they showed that clip 25 times.
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by BadMaafala on Nov 21, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and i loved it
25 times…
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Nov 21, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a punter anyone?
bad punting can hurt a defense more than anything. One can not keep asking a defense to make stops on short fields, it simply won’t happen all of the time. Surely there has to be a guy somewhere than can punt the ball more than 30 freaking yards. Bad special teams lose games, it was always my biggest problem with cowher’s teams. Norm johnson anyone? Josh Miller? One reason why he only got one ring.
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by elirock83 on Nov 21, 2008 9:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hate to pile on a punter, but. . .
Ernster has played 3 games. In two, his long punt didn’t even reach the opponent’s average punt, and in the third his long barely eclipsed their average. In trading punts, the other team is marching down the field:
vs. Ind:
Ind avg: 42.5
Ernster avg: 37.7 (-4.8 yds)
Ernster lng: 43
vs. SD:
SD avg: 43.5
Ernster avg: 31 (-12.5 yds)
Ernster lng: 42
vs. Bung:
Bung avg: 36.6
Ernster avg: 28.4 (-8.2 yds)
Ernster lng: 34
Those aren’t great averages by opponents either. Almost half the league is averaging better that 45 yards/punt.
One last thing. . . I know NOTHING about punting, but isn’t it odd that the guy doesn’t hop on his follow through like every other punter in the league? Is he even putting any leg into it?
by The IC Lion on Nov 21, 2008 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pile away, I’ve been calling for his head since the beginning of times. He’s awful, we’ll have a new punter against the pats.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is still around because he can hold for field goals and extra points
THATS IT! Losing field position every punt is going to cost the steelers down the road. fix it.
by bradyquinnsclipboard on Nov 21, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ernster Has To Go, and NFLNET comment. . .
Looks like I’m one post late, so I’ll echo elirock’s comment. . . Ernster has to go. Said it last week and i’ll say it again- There has to be someone out there that can do better than this guy. He’s gonna cost us a close game down the stretch.
Also, a very interesting comment was made during the NFL Network broadcast and I wanted to see what others thought (perhaps fanpost worthy). They said that in talking with Arians, he said that he had to remove about a quarter of the playbook with Heath Miller out. REALLY Is that odd to anyone else?
by The IC Lion on Nov 21, 2008 9:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i heard that too
i thought it was odd that 25% of the play book was out with miller. McHugh looks like a good blocker, he was used as a fullback last nite. Why wouldn’t you just use him as the blocking tightend and spaeth as the pass catching if he doesn’t block as well? Miller was more of a pass catcher in college, the dude has unreal tallent but 25% of your play book, wtf?
"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda" - Rev. Jerry Falwell
by elirock83 on Nov 21, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
odd?
It’s odd that they’d have to remove that much of the playbook for a guy who they don’t even properly utilize :-).
He might have been just talking about running plays where Speath can’t seal off his man b/c they certainly don’t throw to him enough for those to be passing plays.
by cgolden on Nov 21, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I guess he had to take out all those 3 TE set running plays, since Miller is such a dominant blocker. Lord knows we never PASS out of a 3 TE set.
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by BadMaafala on Nov 21, 2008 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a guess
It might be because Heath is pretty quick for a TE whereas Spaeth is a lumbering giant. Spaeth has good hands, but it would take him forever to run longer developing routes. Especially when your O line has pass protection issues, you don’t want to run plays where an outlet receiver will take four seconds to get where he needs to be. In the SD game, at least, Spaeth was hit a lot just sitting in coverage, not running a lot of drags or anything which Heath might be a little quicker at running.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Nov 21, 2008 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ya
it sounded like a pathetic excuse to me. That’s probably my biggest issue with BA, is he seems like a man always trying to find an excuse instead of simply buckling down and fixing the problem. A new punter/OC and I’d guarantee Super Bowl for our team.
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Nov 21, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
May be but...
We all know that genius and dumb extremes are in some way connected, if BA try to develop something out of that OT run he can be a genius because all the D teams are totally hypnotized by the play (apparently that´s the only play we got for 3ª and 2-4 ytg) so Ben and BA must been trying something different from that play like fakes, or give to the a 2º option RB/HB on the other side, (please BA) just take a look to Favre´s play development, and rythm, and copy it.
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
by YeOldeMexFan on Nov 24, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is it...
Ok. 8-3 with 10 days off.
This is the beginning of finding out what the Steelers can really do. We all know the tough games are ahead. Good thing they have 10 days off to look for a new punter, because the Steelers can’t keep giving teams great field position. I think that’s worse of a situation than the so-called “missing offensive identity”. They need to have teams go 80 yards or whatever against the best D in the NFL. That’ll wear out offenses!! By the same token, once the Steeler D stops a team at around the 25-35 yard line, they can be in such a better place for the O to go. All basic stuff of course, but even though the Steeler gets frustrating, I seem to get more annoyed at the Steelers alway starting at their 20 and other teams starting at the 40!
Please please please I hope they find a better punter!!! Maybe Berger’s legs have healed with two weeks off. By the time the next game starts it’ll be almost a month off. Can they bring him back, or is he IR for the season?
by Ragnar808 on Nov 21, 2008 10:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He was cut wasn't he?
So yes they could bring him back. If on IR then no.
by Jonny B. on Nov 21, 2008 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i haven't seen too
many folks comment on it, but Ben would have had a much better night last night without all the drops. There were at least 7 or 8, most of them on third down.
Great points all Blitz. I’m very satisfied with this game. Sure, we could have put up more stats, but all that really matters is that we needed to dominate and for the most part, we did. TOP, yds gained, defense – all domination. Hopefully the Cravens will lose Bird Bowl I next week and we will have a nice, comfortable lead in the division.
Oh, and where are all the Ben haters? Funny, how not one of you shows your face after a couple good games. Ben’s numbers were very good, and would have been even better if our recievers had been able to hold on to the ball better in frigid temps. I think its funny people point out two ‘near’ interceptions. How many of those have our D had this season? 2 last night.
by steelerark on Nov 21, 2008 10:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think ben had a better night with 7 or 8 drops than with all of the balls he passed being caught. That’d be 2 TDs and 2 INTs I think.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see why you’d bother mocking the “near” interceptions. They were very real and should have been caught. You can be sure as hell that the ravens will make those plays. Just because they weren’t caught doesn’t mean they weren’t awful throws.
I’m not a ben-hater, but I’m not blinded either.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The near interceptions were very real and will be caught by teams sporting more than 1 win. I was nervous with Ben early on, but he seemed to get stronger as the game went on.
by The IC Lion on Nov 21, 2008 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Drops
These drops are getting old. The play on 3rd and 10 on our first drive was an excellent playcall, a very good route, an outstanding throw, and a crap-tastic drop. Holmes dropped that underthrown deep pass – definitely should have had it and Hines freakin Ward dropped another good pass when he was wide open. On of the big reasons our offense sputtered early was a few of those drops.
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by BadMaafala on Nov 21, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that weird jump catch by Ward was awfully strange. All in all Hines finished with only 1 catch (a fantastic catch-and-run), which is surprising. Seems like Ward and Holmes switched places this week in who was going to get a bunch of catches and make a few key drops.
Lets not forget our friend Nate Washington who looks to be returning a bit to butterfinger-form. Hell, even Heath missed a decently thrown ball (not the almost-an-int one), but it didn’t hit him in the hands unlike our other receivers. Was limas the only one that caught all (2) the balls thrown his way?
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ernster back to flipping burgers, Steelers march on
Just a few quick thoughts on last night’s win:
- Does anyone (Mary Rose, Blitz) on here want to do a piece on our offensive line breaking down the individual play of each lineman?
- I think we have the running backs in Moore and Russell and FB in McHugh to have a good running game, but this OL just can’t consistently move them out of the way. I do think Hartwig, Stapleton, and yes, even, Starks are players that you can win with. I’m not sure about Chris K. He seems to be one of the OL that really struggle with the blitz pick ups. I’ve seen him struggle with the quick athletic DL types, too. I also think Colon should be a guard, plain and simple. I haven’t watched as much tape to critiique the line’s performance this year to know who is playing well and who isn’t. Appreciate any thoughts on this.
- Tomlin said last year he was going to run FWP until the wheels fall off. Well, they have officially fallen off. M. Moore can handle Willie’s load, with a little help from G. Russell. This offense will not reach its potential this year until it find more ways to get G-Russ the ball. Is Russell a superstar? Nope. He is a grinder that can get the tough yards that this team needs as well as turn the corner if given a crack. Just like Mewelde, he is a good football player that you can win with. And besides, this isn’t Willie’s type of weather to run. Willie is a sportscar that does well in good weather on open highway, but he’s not a mudder. Our QB and G. Russell are.
- Anyone have Josh Miller’s no.? The look on Tomlin’s face after the first punt sealed Ernster’s fate.
- Now I know why Fernando Bryant was on the street. The sooner Townsend and BMac get back and put this joker on the bench the better for this D. Let’s hope that the Diesel isn’t too banged up. This D still needs him, although the DL depth has played well this year.
- Homerism aside, Ben was lucky the Bengals dropped about 3 picks last night. On the other side, the Steelers dropped about 3 picks as well. I’m starting to believe that Palomula probably has the second best hands on the team. I used to think Ward had the 2nd best hands, but he’s dropped too many this year. So who has the best? Big bad Heath Miller, of course, the person who will be sporting a nice new shiny contract before the end of next year’s training camp.
- Others who will get paid this offseason by us, if Kevin Colbert is smart, are BMac, Silverback, Keyaron Fox, and maybe Max Starks.
- I’ve said it before and am more convinced now than ever: This next draft should be the one where Big Ben gets his bookend tackles for the next 10 years. The nine draft picks that we will have should be enough to get one of the top 3 tackles in this year’s draft in the first, a stud right tackle in the 2nd and a DL in the third. On the 2nd day, give me a returner, another guard, a CB, a WR and let our scouts do what they do on the rookie free agent front. We’ll be ready to rock.
- Nate Washington has had the opportunity to land a new deal with this team since the beginning of the season. But just like that first pass last night, he’s let it slip through his hands.
- Yeah, yeah, Sweed made 2 big rookie gaffes and seemed to get down on himself. However, he made a couple of big catches in the game. I am giving Sweed a pass this year, just like Timmons and Palomula got their first years. He’s still thinking too much and just seems glad to hang on to a ball instead of doing something with it when he gets it. Let’s hope he doesn’t take our kindness for weakness here and begins to show us next year why the Steelers took him in the 2nd round. Can’t be timid when you have a Hines Ward to model your game after day in and day out.
- Santonio probably hasn’t had a hit like that since the day he sat in his truck taking “hits” off the roaches in his ash tray. With Ward winding down, this town could be his if he wants it.
- Even if you hate the Bungles, you have to give that rookie LT and that L-guard that had never played in the NFL before props for holding their own against Kiesel and Deebo. Heck, they keep it up they could end up applying for a job on our OL in the future. Just saying.
- Is it me or is Marshall Faulk a Steelers hater? He’s disgusted that this team doesn’t have the identity of the Bill Cowher teams of the past. Well Marshall, if you don’t have the horses up front, you are not going to win many horses. Where’s Sea Biscuit when you need him?
- People say this team will go as far as Ben takes it. I don’t think so. This team will go as far as this OL takes it. And I do think this line is better now than it was at the beginning of the season. The reasons – a healthy Starks is better than an injured M. Smith & Stapleton is a big upgrade over K. Simmons. Will that be enough? I don’t know. I’m not all-seeing and all-knowing. That’s why we’re fortunate to have Blitz for stuff like that! What’s popping B!
- Hey, 8-3 with 5 games to go with the toughest strength of schedule in the past 30 years ain’t bad. Toss in all the injuries this team has had, and it’s actually pretty good. The only game where this team was overmatched in this year was against the Eagles and that was on offense, not on defense. We’re in 7th inning stretch time and it’s time to make other team’s sing. Be blessed All!
by datruth4life on Nov 21, 2008 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff. My thoughts:
- The OL has been pretty good at pass blocking in the past few games. 3 of the 4 sacks last week were on the QB or RB. Hartwig has impressed me more and more as the season has gone on. He is a cheap solid center and a piece for the future of this line. I don’t know if it’s fair to compare him to the Hartings signing, but he’s been an upgrade and our best IOL. My only beef with him is the SG snaps. Agreed about Colon, although both tackles haven’t been bad these 2 games. He’s not a long term solution at tackle, and I’d like to see what he can do at guard. Stapleton’s been steady – another cheap solid piece for the future.
- I’m willing to give Bryant a break. He’s coming into a new defense, and he was previously unemployed. He has some talent, and I think as the season progresses, he’ll improve – although hopefully he’ll be sitting on the bench.
- Agreed about Sweed. I think he’s trying too hard. He wants to be the guy who works every down and makes every block, only there are times you want to use your head and let your guy go. He’s looking more comfortable on offense. I think he’ll take a big step next year. Also agreed about Washington – so talented, but has shown repeatedly that he’ll make untimely errors. That drop came on a brilliant playcall, pass, and route on 3rd and long.
- I’m with you on the draft as well. We need to trade up and take the tackle we want. Then take another one. We really need to get some young DL’s too. No more drafting value.
- Nothing helps a rookie tackle against one of the best pass rushers in the league more than getting away with holding for the whole game. He seriously hugged Harrison on the TD pass. No wonder they call them “tackles”. I’m getting sick of this crap.
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by BadMaafala on Nov 21, 2008 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, did you notice the snaps this week? There were a few high ones to be sure, but overall I was constantly shocked when Ben was not jumping up for a snap. I think they worked on the shotgun snap this week and personally I think it showed a lot. They need to continue ironing that one out, it is half the centers job after all.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
I didn’t notice any bad snaps this week. We’ll see if it’s been taken care of or if they just got a little lucky this week.
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by BadMaafala on Nov 21, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
i can just imagine what goes through ben’s head when he knows his offensive pass protection is extremely leaky, while having to concentrate on catching a high snap over his head. I’m sure reading a defense is even more difficult when you have to look to the sky right after the snap!
by bradyquinnsclipboard on Nov 21, 2008 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you hear the drums, Fernando?
Presumably, Bryant will be back on the street as soon as Townsend and BMac are healthy (this week?). There won’t be room for him on the bench. Gay is looking good and will press a healthy Townsend for the nickel spot. Let’s face it, BMac is gone next year, and Gay will probably be starting at CB with Townsend in the nickel.
by Steelin on Nov 21, 2008 1:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ben's pic on nfl.com
looks like a serial child molester. I really wish they’d update it
by FireAriansNow on Nov 21, 2008 2:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Ben's advertising contracts are going to have to be along the lines of..
..Cereal Child Molester. They can put his mangled mug on the Wheaties box as a cautionary tale for young children. Or defensive driving posters.
by robert ethan on Nov 21, 2008 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very little to add
With our injuries and a short week this is the type of game you survive more so than try ot dominate. Like others I was a bit disgusted in the beginnig, but the guys slowly rounded to form.
But here’s the really good news. For all our stumbling and bumbling we are 8-3. Probably only need two more wins to make the playoffs. We have ten days rest before the whistle blows again. We can all enjoy Thanksgiving before we have to take the heart medicine again. Some teams will play twice before we play again. A great holiday everyone!
by RickVa on Nov 21, 2008 4:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
2 wins
I think 2 wins does it, but to be sure I want one of those to be against BAL. BAL has 6 games left and if we beat them they only need to find one more loss, which should be there somewhere. All we’d need is 1 more win, and it could even come against the browns. That’d put us at 10-6, Bal and 10-6 and we’d advance to the playoffs on the tiebreaker. It’s the easiest road to the playoffs. I don’t want the steelers to be involved with any tiebreakers with BAL.
I’m happy if we just clean up business and get to 11-3 here in the next games though and get ourselves a first round bye and some rest against the brownies.
by steelguy99 on Nov 21, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my take
offense:
if i’m arians, or tomlin, or anyone on the steelers sideline, i say this to Ben:
find 86 and throw the ball to 86. if you can’t find 86, find 83 and throw the ball to 83. if you can’t find 86 or 83, then run.
hines and heath should each have 5-10 catches per game. i know they each dropped a ball last night, but they definitely have the best hands on the team, and they both run solid routes. Ben needs receivers he can depend on right now. nate is still pretty raw as a wr. santonio…it just doesn’t seem to me like his head’s in the game on every play (as collinsworth said “he has talent that only a few guys in the league possess, he just needs to grow up.”) and sweed’s a rookie.
just get the ball to hines and heath.
thank God for MM, and welcome to the team Gary Russell. Keep McHugh and dump Davis. Stapleton looks like he’s a gamer which means Simmons is expendable (but of course we’ll keep him).
And speaking of expendable: Arians, i officially fire you. go away.
defense:
aaron smith = heart and soul of defense. i don’t believe i’ve ever seen a de work as hard as he does. he fills gaps as well as anyone in the league. he NEVER takes a play off. he’s strong as hell. he’s smart (ie…3 batted balls at the line of scrimage). and he gets dirty. by no stretch of the imagination does aa smith have hall of fame numbers, but there’s no doubt that steelers fans will hold him in similar respect to guys like Greene, Greenwood, Stautner, etc…this defense would not be nearly as sound as it is without him. and, i doubt casey hampton would have ever made a pro bowl without aa smith.
william gay – sign him. 5 years.
troy polamalu – no comment
woodley/harrison/timmons – relatively quiet. why? because they HAVE to be gameplanned AROUND. they weren’t contained last night, they were avoided. and farrior/foote did a GREAT job doing the dirty work in the trenches.
farrior – more like Warrior
that’s all i got, it’s quittin time. here’s to 8-3.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Nov 21, 2008 7:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Farrior=Warrior
Love that!
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Nov 21, 2008 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on holmes, not sure what is up with him. He pulled in some spectacular balls this thursday though. Not one-handed diving amazing, but pretty solid stuff.
by steelguy99 on Nov 22, 2008 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree Steeler Domination!!
“STEELERDOMINATION” you took the words right out of my mouh. I have been saying this all year, we need to incorporate more screen plays. Moore is so much of a threat when used in a screen play. Every time we use it we get about 15-25 yrds out of it. Its a good 3rd down play because Bens already expecting the blitz.
As for the Bengals game, I did expect it to be close to a shutout but nonetheless, a win is a win. I think the Steelers have a good chance to go to Superbowl 43 because if you look at the AFC, the only teams we have to worry about is the Colts and Titans in the playoffs. Personally, IMO the Titans are not as much of a threat, they get by in their games and they are playing teams with losing records. I think that the Colts with their continuous “audible-calling” offense will be more of a threat in the playoffs but if we stick to a zone defense and layoff the man-to-man on Peyton then we could come away with the victory.
I hope it will be a Steelers vs. Giants SB. 43
by SteelChad88 on Nov 21, 2008 8:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great win
but why can’t we find a servicable punter? We should have been able to come up with someone after Sepulveda went down. Has anybody heard of Mike Dragosavich? He punted for North Dakota State last year with a career average I think around 48 yds. He averaged more than 50 yds on 4 or 5 punts in the senior bowl and was drafted by New England this year. He was released before the season because they had several punters in camp with more experience. Just a thought.
by qwikdoc on Nov 21, 2008 8:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
some observations watching the game at Heinz Field
1) Because I got some last-minute tickets as a gift, I arrived late, just in time to witness the Bengals touchdown. Fortunately the defense clamped down (until garbage time, but then Troy’s pick put an end to that).
2) After Ernster’s fourth or fifth punt, with boos raining down on him from the fans, I saw him walk slowly to the sidelines. Tomlin had his back turned directly away. For a moment I stopped booing and felt really sorry for the guy — an entire stadium hating him, coach giving up on him — but c’mon, the dude has just not been getting the job done by any stretch of the imagination. We cannot afford this kind of play down the stretch.
3) The hit on Holmes caused the entire crowd to gasp. I couldn’t believe that Holmes was walking afterwards or that there wasn’t a flag on that play (actually, sadly, I can — while not the officiating wasn’t as one-sided as the Chargers game last Sunday, and I can’t totally avoid a “homer” frame of mind, it seemed to me the refs were again predisposed to calls against us).
4) The crowd loved loved loved seeing Heath back in the action.
5) Not sure about the comments on this board about swirling winds — I was in row W on the lowest level, and while it was cold all night the winds were never an issue. At several points during the game some snow fell lightly down and blew around — it was beautiful, like being in the middle of a snowglobe. But I don’t think the winds were ever heavy enough to affect the trajectory of a thrown football. However, I’d attribute some dropped passes (and dropped interceptions, thankfully) to the cold.
6) The game was closer than my friend and I had expected, but a win is a win. The ten days of rest will be good to heal up and look for a punter.
by Alba on Nov 22, 2008 12:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
cool, glad u got to go last minute
Good thoughts. Wasnt there so wouldnt know about winds obviously, just seemed that way with the flurries really swirling.
2) is brutal for Ernster being a grown man with pride and all, but like you said, tough luck dude. We can’t afford that with this offense and our amazing defense.
6) I think from the mid 2nd quarter on, the game was never really in much question, even if the score remained close for a bit longer after that. They were clearly stymied on offense and there was no way their D could continue to hold up with so little support from the offense in the middle of the game.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 22, 2008 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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