A Thorough Analysis Of the Steelers Tendencies on 3rd and Short
by Blitzburgh on Nov 23, 2008 6:33 PM EST
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I had to investigate the Pittsburgh Steelers tendencies on 3rd and short yardage situations. It seemed to me that we threw the ball ALL the time on 3rd and short, but I wasn't entirely positive. So it was a bit tedious, but I went through the play-by-plays of every game this season and charted what we did each time we faced a 3rd down with 2-4 yards to go. Why did I selected 2-4 yards? Well, I thought it was the appropriate range. Even the most passy happy teams run on 3rd and 1 first of all. And while I think an occassional run should be sprinkled in on 3rd and 5-6 type situations, I think we all generally agree that that's a passing down.
But in the 2-4 yard range, we're basically just needing to get our very modest season average of about 3.5 yards per carry to get a new fresh set of downs. I tried to summarize all the data both in the headers and in a table below so no need to make any sort of calculations for yourself. I did that, and when you see what Bruce Arians has been up to on 3rd and short this year, you may just grow some even stronger opinions about the way our offense has been managed in certain regards and at certain times this year.
WEEK 1 (1 run, 3 passes):
3-4-HOU46(9:09) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger scrambles right end pushed ob at HST 29 for 17 yards (Z.Diles).
3-3-HOU22(7:10) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to S.Holmes to HST 13 for 9 yards (J.Reeves).
3-2-PIT39(3:07) B.Roethlisberger sacked at PIT 27 for -12 yards (M.Williams).
3-2-PIT28(6:15) W.Parker right tackle to PIT 32 for 4 yards (CC.Brown, Z.Diles).
WEEK 2 (0 runs, 3 passes)
3-4-PIT25(12:04) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to S.Holmes pushed ob at PIT 41 for 16 yards (E.Wright) [M.Adams].
3-2-PIT49(10:18) B.Roethlisberger sacked at PIT 40 for -9 yards (sack split by C.Williams and N.Sorensen).
3-4-CLE30(8:11) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short left to S.Holmes (E.Wright) [S.Rogers].
WEEK 3 (0 runs, 4 passes)
3-4-PHI45(6:38) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short left to H.Ward to PHI 39 for 6 yards (L.Sheppard).
3-4-PIT39(7:49) (Shotgun)
PENALTY on PHI-M.Patterson, Defensive Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at PIT 39 - No Play. (Shotgun = about to pass)
3-3-PHI49(6:00) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger sacked at PIT 45 for -6 yards (J.Parker). FUMBLES (J.Parker) [J.Parker], RECOVERED by PHI-B.Bunkley at PIT 45. B.Bunkley to PIT 45 for no gain (H.Miller).
3-2-PHI13(1:08) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich sacked at PHI 22 for -9 yards (sack split by D.Howard and D.Klecko).
WEEK 4 (0 runs, 3 passes)
3-2-BAL47(10:24) B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to N.Washington to BLT 35 for 12 yards (C.Ivy).
3-4-BAL38(4:17) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to S.Holmes for 38 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
3-3-PIT37(2:51) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short left to M.Moore to PIT 43 for 6 yards (B.Scott).
WEEK 5 (0 runs, 2 passes)
3-3-JAC20(12:49) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep right to M.Moore.
3-3-PIT43(4:40) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short left to N.Washington to JAX 45 for 12 yards (B.Williams).
PENALTY on PIT-N.Washington, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced between downs.
WEEK 7 (1 run, 2 passes)
3-3-CIN3(:51) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short right to H.Miller.
3-2-CIN44(10:02) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to M.Moore to CIN 44 for no gain (J.Joseph). FUMBLES (J.Joseph), ball out of bounds at CIN 45.
3-3-CIN13(8:36) M.Moore left end for 13 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
WEEK 8 (0 runs, 2 passes)
3-2-PIT48(8:07) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short middle intended for N.Washington INTERCEPTED by B.Kehl (J.Butler) at NYG 39. B.Kehl to PIT 44 for 17 yards (G.Russell). Penalty on PIT-L.Sweed, Offensive Offside, declined.
3-2-NYG36(1:06) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger sacked at NYG 45 for -9 yards (M.Kiwanuka).
WEEK 9 (0 runs, 5 passes)
3-2-PIT40(12:58) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short middle to M.Moore (L.Fletcher).
3-2-WAS16(8:52) B.Roethlisberger sacked at WAS 17 for -1 yards (D.Evans).
3-4-PIT40(4:46) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short middle to H.Ward (F.Smoot, L.Fletcher).
3-4-PIT40(:24) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich pass short right to M.Moore to WAS 47 for 13 yards (C.Rogers).
(2:45) (Shotgun) B.Leftwich sacked at PIT 27 for -5 yards (sack split by D.Evans and R.McIntosh).
PENALTY on PIT, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at PIT 32 - No Play. Six men on the line
WEEK 10 (0 runs, 7 passes)
3-2-IND42(11:41) B.Roethlisberger pass deep right to S.Holmes to IND 19 for 23 yards (A.Bethea).
3-2-PIT16(1:30) B.Roethlisberger pass deep left intended for S.Holmes INTERCEPTED by K.Ratliff at PIT 32. K.Ratliff to PIT 30 for 2 yards (S.McHugh).
3-4-PIT46(6:44) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to M.Moore to IND 48 for 6 yards (M.Bullitt, T.Jennings).
3-2-PIT49(14:19) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass deep middle to H.Ward to IND 34 for 17 yards (F.Keiaho).
3-2-IND26(12:15) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to N.Washington to IND 20 for 6 yards (K.Ratliff).
3-4-PIT34(4:51) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short middle intended for S.Holmes INTERCEPTED by T.Jennings at PIT 38. T.Jennings to PIT 32 for 6 yards (B.Roethlisberger).
3-3-PIT34(2:22) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to M.Spaeth to PIT 44 for 10 yards (M.Bullitt).
WEEK 11 (1 runs, 3 passes)
3-2-PIT29(12:18) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to M.Moore to PIT 33 for 4 yards (S.Cooper).
3-2-SD49(:42) (No Huddle, Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to H.Ward to SD 42 for 7 yards (E.Weddle).
3-4-SD22(:11) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass deep left to S.Holmes to SD 3 for 19 yards (A.Cromartie).
3-4-SD4(:21) W.Parker left tackle for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on PIT-S.McHugh, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SD 4 - No Play.
WEEK 12 (0 runs, 4 passes)
3-3-CIN19(2:00) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short middle to S.Holmes (Da.Jones).
3-4-PIT29(12:02) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger scrambles up the middle to PIT 35 for 6 yards (R.Jeanty, D.Blackstock).
3-2-CIN20(8:30) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short left to H.Ward. COVERAGE BY #29 HALL
3-3-CIN8(2:22) B.Roethlisberger scrambles left guard for 8 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
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| Total Opportunities | Total Runs | Total Passes | 1st Down % Running | 1st Down % Passing | Sacks | ||
| 41 | 3 | 38 | 100% | 54% | 7 |
Conclusions:
1) We can all agree to disagree about what's the best general offensive philosophy to deploy based on or personnel and what tends to work these days in the league, but I contend wholeheartedly that we are doing ourselves a huuuge disservice by not forcing opposing teams to keep things honest at all. We all know that these coaches have access to every last bit of data out there, so we can all agree that opposing defensive coordinators know this. There's enough data now that defenses know we're throwing. Period. That's a huge disadvantage. We may not have the ideal line or power running back to lean on too heavily in these types of situations, but 7% is not nearly enough balance in those situations.
2) It's largely irrelevant because there's not enough data points in the running game to make any worthwhile conclusions, but my guess is you too noticed that we had some good fortune on those very few instances when we ran it. Just saying!
3) And finally, 3 of Ben's 11 INTs have come in these 38 pass attempts. We have thrown the ball 334 times so you do the math. 27% of Ben's picks have come on just 11% of his passes. That's not a tell all fact necessarily, but knowing what we do about our defense, this is a very easy way for us to improve our chances of winning close games in December and January. It doesn't require us to change our identity either. We can still be a 30-35 throw / 28-32 carry type of offense and still shift things around a bit to better disguise what we are trying to do. And at worse, the evidence suggests we'd at least hold on to the ball more carefully.
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Quality work Blitz, you’re a machine.
by steelguy99 on Nov 23, 2008 6:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
POUND THE ROCK!!! Even if the run comes up short on 3rd down at least it doesnt stop the clock or allow Ben to turn the ball over.
by bradyquinnsclipboard on Nov 24, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Empty sets?
Hey Blitz
any math on how often we went with an empty set, no running back in the backfield – or RB motioning out wide – on 3rd and 2-4?
This to me is the most troubling call I’ve seen on 3rd down. Having a lack of balance in our overall play-calling allows DC’s to scheme against us. But even if they don’t, when we make it THAT obvious to the players on the field that we aren’t going to run we make it even harder to pass it.
I have no problem with a few passes in this range – i’d like a few more runs, but really guys our line can’t convert these often enough, we’d just be running it into a wall for no gain. But it kills me when we don’t even keep the D honest and let them know that their LB’s can drop immediately into coverage and the D-line can go 100% pass rush by going with an empty set.
by syrsteelerfan on Nov 23, 2008 7:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
theres no reaon to think
that we wouldn’t be reasonably successful picking up these first downs. Certainly as good as we currently do throwing the ball. We may not be a top flight running team, but even our so-so attack is good for 3.5 yards per. It’s fairly simple reasoning.
BUt like you said, it goes beyond that. It has to do with the predictability factor. Now that we have things stabilized somewhat on the line, hopefully we’ll not ALWAYS go to the Gun in fear of the blitz. I’m glad we’re not doing that weak strategy of keeping Heath in to block in the backfield anymore. We’re improving, but that ratio is just whack. I’ll do a half season of another team sometime to see what other fairly successful but unimposing offenses do.
Don’t have anything about guys being in motion, but as you can see, we’re in the shot gun the vast vast majority of the time.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 23, 2008 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man Blitz, maybe you need a 5’10 blonde Cali girlfriend, or at least one from the Pacific Northwest…
charity standing orders
by BadMaafala on Nov 23, 2008 7:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and ill be in Cali
For a month in less than two weeks.
Woot. Woot.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 23, 2008 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look me up!
Maybe we’ll do a Lakers game?
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Nov 24, 2008 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea Ill find u Fifty
Don’t have much of an agenda while I’m there. Just work, but scaled down some.
Can you get me a Lakers girl for Xmas?
by Blitzburgh on Nov 24, 2008 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Every Steelers fan should have one! Perhaps in your Christmas stocking this year 45?
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Nov 24, 2008 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or sans stockings! (I am always looking for a reason to use the word "sans")
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Nov 24, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I don’t think my wife would go for that.
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by BadMaafala on Nov 24, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hehe
I make time for my shenanigans. And three jobs + school!
While y’all sleep your life away :)
by Blitzburgh on Nov 23, 2008 7:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tell us something we don't know...
I’m sure it’s no secret that all the other teams in the league have this data already. It seems like all too often they know if they just bring the house at Ben every 3rd down that a sack and another 3 and out would be inevitable and they give their offense another chance to wear down the NFL’s best D and eek out a win. That 3rd down run/pass ratio has to be more even.
by retribution990 on Nov 23, 2008 8:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i guess youre a lot wiser than me
Because I never would have guessed we’d only ran it 3 times on 3rd and short all year.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 23, 2008 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This was something I didn't know
I had the feeling that it was uneven, but I had no idea that it was this ridiculous. BA, you’re back on my sh*tlist.
by Chicago Steeler on Nov 24, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quality breakdown
Honestly Ive been screaming at the TV when we pass on 3rd and 2. We do it all the freakin time anymore.
Run the dang ball. Its american and it works.
by Mechem on Nov 23, 2008 9:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, great work!
I’m quite startled at these numbers. I’m also shocked that the coaching staff hasn’t thought that MAAAYYYYBE they should run on 3rd and short a bit more!!!
JEEZ.
by Ragnar808 on Nov 23, 2008 9:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice work Blitz!
Running more looks like a good answer. How do we best do that if Willie’s too banged-up to take it outside the tackle? I don’t want to start anything, but … bring on the power run game! Woo-ha!
Having the power back on the field also makes for a good blocker when we do pass in those situations.
by betelgeuse on Nov 24, 2008 12:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i’m going to bet the guy next to me at the next ravens/pitt game 20 bucks that you pass on 3rd and 3-4’s. : )…maybe the whole section.
by raven on Nov 24, 2008 1:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
well this confirms some stuff
I always speculated that Arians passed it way more on third and short than run it but I wasn’t away the balance was this uneven.
I’ve tried to defend him at some points but when stuff like this pops up its damn near impossible.
If he refuses to run willie (or whoevers back there) then he should put Ben in the empty set and call a QB draw. Run it in some form or another.
by shleeve on Nov 24, 2008 1:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Makes me want to...
put a toe up Arians’ ass even more!
WTH!!!! Thanks for the analysis Blitz, but damn that sucks. It really has seemed for the most part too damn predictable across the board from the offense this year, but I had no idea how bad it really was. Not making those thirds and the sacks and the INTs has been the nail in the flat tire that has been the offense in most games. This isn’t even a discussion of power running or not – it’s just having a running game period.
by SCSteeler on Nov 24, 2008 8:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is going to be a dead post soon because I don’t think there is anything to debate. I’d like to know if there is any team that has passed more in these situations, and without anyone looking through the data I’d be shocked if there was, except I guess the cardinals.
You cannot be this one-dimensional as a football team. What is it our defensive philosophy is? Shut down the run, force the team to be one-dimensional. Force their quarterback to beat us. Arians is letting the defense shut down our run without even trying on third downs, and forcing Ben to beat them. Ben is just not that kind of QB right now.
by steelguy99 on Nov 24, 2008 9:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And by the way, just because there isn’t too much to discuss doesn’t mean this isn’t a great post. Talk about information overload. It’s great to have such information and to know going forward that “we pass on 3rd and short” is a solid data point.
by steelguy99 on Nov 24, 2008 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sick
As much as I hate to admit it, I don’t think we’re going very far into the post season, if we get there at all. I’ve seen this trend and I’ve seen the whole spread offense or flexing of the RB in 3rd and short. It makes you want to pull your hair out.
We are just too predictible. When you have WRs that have trouble against press coverage, and you attack 3rd and short with quick passes, you know nothing about your players or football!
SICK SICK SICK stuff. Tomlin needs to cleanse his staff of ex-brownies. Send them back to Cleveland.
by vin2k on Nov 24, 2008 9:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Steelers will make it to the playoffs...
Don’t worry about this team not making the playoffs. They’re gonna win the division no doubt! That gets them in. They could very well finish with the 2nd best record and get a bye week too. Maybe I’m just a half full kind of guy, but I can only see the team getting better, and once it does, I don’t care about the Jets/Titans/Colts…pats or whoever…..this team can take to the SB!!!
by Ragnar808 on Nov 24, 2008 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, this is going to be a tough stretch of games. The ravens are probably going to be on our hells the whole way, and they have a very good potential to close the gap this coming sunday. The steelers need to perform very well down to the end of this one, and we haven’t been consistent enough for me to call the race yet.
by steelguy99 on Nov 24, 2008 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
8-3
The team is 8-3 with the BEST D in the league and a bad/inconsistent offense. I think that if they use Gary on 3rd and short runs a bit more, we’ll get more 1st downs…which will help out tons because the WRs can be just a bit more open and also take more pressure off Ben.
Coming up—-NE: Can their D stop the Steelers? I don’t think so. The Steelers should score at least 20 something, and the D should stand up and hold them to less than that. Victory!
Dallas? Should be an interesting game….we’ll see how well TO can run in the snow! Maybe they lose, but they can certainly pull this out if they pressure Romo to make mistakes.
Titans? I wanna see what old man Coliins can do with Harrison in his face. If the Jets D can stop them, the Steelers can!!
Ravens?? It’ll be war…..but why should we think they will win this one? If our CBs are back and healthy, certainly the Ravens will lose.
Browns? LOL! Victory!!!
by Ragnar808 on Nov 24, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a counterpoint
NE: NE has a much better defense than san diego, whom we only put up 11 points on, and only 9 on offense. At home.
I imagine we’ll be getting into this upcominggame shortly, but the only team stopping this team is their inconsistency. This offense is just as likely to put up 10 points as it is 30, I don’t know that it really matters what D we are playing.
38 vs. Texans
10 vs. Browns
6 vs. Phi
23 vs. Bal
26 vs. Jags
38 vs. Cincy
14 vs. giants
20 vs. indy
11 vs. SD
27 vs. cincy
We put up 20 points against baltimore and 11 against SD? We put up 20 points against the colts and 10 against (the windy) browns?
This team holds itself back. None of these games are a win and none are a loss, it all depends on if the O can show up. Our chances of going 4-1 are just as good as going 1-4 IMO. I’m rooting for the 4-1, but who the hell knows?
Get your shit together steelers.
by steelguy99 on Nov 24, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking at least 2-2 the rest of the way. That equates to 10-6 which I believe should be good enough to get in the playoffs…..certainly if the Steelers take the division.
I think the good thing is that it seems as though Moore and Russel will be getting many more touches, and therefore the ground game can pick up speed, which will open up the air attack and buy BB some more time. As for FWP….I dunno….I think if he can stay well enough to play then the running game is only gonna get better……
by Ragnar808 on Nov 24, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we go 2-3 we need to beat the ravens. You heard it here first folks.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the ravens go 10-6, and the tiebreakers are going to be awfully tight if we don’t beat them…
by steelguy99 on Nov 24, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my due diligence
Blitz wanted to only do 3rd and short for very valid reason, but didn’t want to do 3rd and 1. I wanted to know how ridiculous Arians was and find out our ratio’s on run/pass on 3rd and 1. I didn’t get the sense that we passed too much on 3rd and 1, but wanted to check the facts. Check it:
Game 1: (0 run, 0 pass)
Game 2: (2 run, 0 pass) 0% conversion, 0/2 (no gain, no gain)
Game 3: (0 run, 1 pass) 0% conversion, 0/1 (sack)
Game 4: (0 run, 1 pass) 0% conversion, 0/1 (fumble)
Game 5: (1 run, 0 pass) 100% conversion, 1/1 (davenport 3 yds)
Game 6: (2 run, 0 pass) 0% conversion, 0/1 (russel stuffed, moore stuffed)
Game 7: (1 run, 0 pass) 0% conversion, 0/1 (run called back by penalty)
Game 8: (1 run, 0 pass) 100% conversion, 1/1 (davenport 2 yds)
Game 9: (3 run, 0 pass) 66% conversion, 2/3 (moore 3 yds, stuffed, 3 yds
Game 10: (4 run, 0 pass) 75% conversion, 3/4 (parker 4 yds, stuffed, GR 3 yds, GR 4 yds
Game 11: (1 run, 0 pass) 100% conversion, 1/1 (davis 6 yds)
So all in all we have run 12 times and passed twice, not a bad combination at all for third and one. What’s incredible though is how bad our 3rd and 1s have been 8/16 or 50%.
A few other notes:
1) Every one of our RBs has gotten stuffed.
2) We have gotten much better as the season goes on, though the sample size is small early on so it’s hard to tell
3) The sample size IS small early on. It seems like we are getting better chunks of yardage on 1st/2nd down, which is a very good thing. Or maybe we were just getting lots of 1sts before 3rd down early in the season, not sure which.
by steelguy99 on Nov 24, 2008 9:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s incredible that we started the season 1/8 on 3rd and 1. The last 4 games have been great at 7/9, although we’re 8/11 if you include 4th and 1.
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by BadMaafala on Nov 24, 2008 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
I did notice these trends too, but imo, 3rd and 1 is when EVERYONE is looking run. Back to predictability. More runs on some of the slightly longer situations, and if he needs to pass to feel good about himself, do it occassionally on 3rd and 1!
by Blitzburgh on Nov 24, 2008 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I don’t know about you but I was just happy to see that the evidence bore out that arians ran the ball on 3rd and 1. You never know…
by steelguy99 on Nov 24, 2008 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
abut the opposing defenses know…and it shows…the calls are too predictable.
by SCSteeler on Nov 26, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keeping the Defense Honest
I detest the empty backfield on 3rd down 4 and less. Defenses have to stay honest with run especially with Heath and Matt on the field or one of them. However, as pointed out above Ben is a pass happy QB (the oneous is on him). I would prefer a QB rollout with the option to run or pass. If Ben runs, please tell him to slide.
We have many options to cover especially with Mewelde coming out the backfield for a screen, draw, or simple handoff. Why don’t we run the counter pitch play anymore, faking to the fullback to one side and pitching the opposite side to the running back. This play hasn’t been stop yet.
by 72Steeler on Nov 24, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Awesome analysis
TY for putting this together; it was really insightful, as I was getting the same feeling that we were lopsided to the pass in rushing situations.
Can anyone email this post to Coach?
by BoiseSteeler on Nov 24, 2008 12:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Too late to fire Arians?
I guess it’s too late this year to replace him. Kiffin is seeing which college HC job he can get. Anyway we’ll have to see what happens in the offseason. I do think that we have the defense to possibly win a SB even with the offensive problems. This team is starting to seem like the ‘74 team. If we win a SB, it will probably be something like that year. I just don’t know if defense can do enough, given the the way the rules are these days.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 24, 2008 10:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The defense can get us to a SB and win us one, if the offense does NOT compromise our position. The problem is? They do.
Turnover differentials:
NYG: -4
PHI: 0 (3 vs 3)
IND: -3
The offense didn’t even deserve to be in those games.
by steelguy99 on Nov 25, 2008 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Empty Backfield
I know others have criticized it, but, seeing that empty backfield on 3rd and 2 or 3, has me apoplectic. I keep having to weigh the wisdom of whether an iphone through the Vizio would be worth it. It is a truly trying moment.
by bigmaq on Nov 25, 2008 6:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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