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Some laudatory notes on the play of the defense tonight.

* You don't hold down James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley in consecutive weeks. After being held without a sack last Sunday against the Giants, Woodley and Harrison returned to their normal disruptive form. Harrison finished with 7 tackles and 1.5 sacks. Woodley recorded 2 sacks himself. For the season, Silverback now has 10 sacks, with Woodley trailing by just 1/2 sack at 9.5. I must say, my favorite sack was when a Reskins RB (probably Portis, but not sure) tried to cut Woodley, and he nimbly jumped over him before regaining his balance and then quickly resuming his hunt of Jason Campbell..all in a split second. Pretty sick for a dude who weighs more than any pass-rushing Steelers LB in team history.

* The sack parade didn't end there. Nick Eason, Aaron Smith, James Farrior, and Lawrence Timmons also got in on the action. Woodley did most of the dirty work on Smith's sack, but since Smith does most of the dirty work for everyone else's accolades, I was pleased for him to get a cheap statistical boost there. Every little bit to help send the heart and soul of our defense to Honolulu!

* Speaking of heart and one of the main engines behind our defense...James Farrior. Man, after a few so-so games in the first quarter of the year, Farrior has been a beast the past couple of weeks. Give Potsie 11 tackles, 2 assists, and half a sack on the game. And am I mistaken when I say he was the one responsible for deflecting the pass that Deshea picked off? I believe it was him, and if not, he made another big play in the passing game when the Redskins opted to throw to the ball with play-action on 4th and goal from the 1 in the fourth quarter. This guy still has it. Oh, last thing about Farrior. In my opinion, the reason we saw Mike Tomlin get so livid about the roughing call on Farrior late in the game was because it was him who was involved in the play. Tomlin sticks up for all his guys, but there's no classier warrior out there than Farrior. Tomlin knows that and the refs should know that over a decade into his career. 

* I suppose the play of the special teams does not deserve its own post. We did after all have to sit through a number of suspect Mitch Berger punts (though to his credit, he had some booming kicks too), and Jeff Reed shanked an XP attempt. And not surprisingly, we failed to again muster much in the return game, though Santonio Holmes showed signs that if given enough chances, he's going to break one. And oh yeah, almost forgot. We failed on an onsides attempt to start the game, that essentially gift-wrapped 3 points for them. All that said, Andre Frazier was responsible for one of the three biggest plays of the game. (The other two being Carlos Rogers' blown pick-6 in the first half and Leftwich's early strike to Nate). Really, can you remember the last time we made such a huge play on special teams? It's highly unlikely we take a 10-6 lead into halftime without that play. Again, give credit where credit is due. Our special teams, which were much maligned last year, have largely been very respectable for us this year, if not in our own return game, than certainly with our coverage units. And tonight, we got even more. HUGE!

* Two weeks - three goal line stands. You can move the ball on this defense at times (rarely, but occasionally), and our offense certainly has a knack for compromising it field position wise at times, but I'll tell you what: you have to work for every last bit against this defense. Even when opposing offenses are knocking on the door, nothing's a given. It's truly remarkable what this unit has been able to do all year.

* Isn't it amazing that we have a Hall of Fame worthy nose tackle in Casey Hampton and a backup NT in Chris Hoke that finds a way to nearly match him clogged gap for clogged gap? Sheesh, how are some of these guys like Hoke and Nick Eason continuing to improve at their respective ages? I'm not sure really. Credit their heart and effort and credit the coaches I suppose. Other than that, just enjoy being the most deep defense in the National Football League.

*  If there was an area of concern heading into this game for our defense, it would have to have been the secondary. With Ryan Clarke and Bryant McFadden sidelined, we were going to have to rely on William Gay, Tyrone Carter, and Anthony Smith. As well as Deshea Townsend, who we all might agree is better in a secondary role as a nickel guy. But tonight, they all delivered. Every last one of them, including Tyrone Carter, who seems to be the consensus choice for the most underwhelming of our group. Well, give Carter some credit for tonight. We're hard on him and the rest of the team during the bad times. It's important to celebrate the good moments for a Pittsburgh Steeler who is very well liked (from what I can surmise and what little I know about the team dynamics).  Perhaps special props should go to William Gay, who proved why he may very well be a suitable fill-in for McFadden if he so chooses to chase the Benjamins in another market after this year.

For the evening, we held the Skins and Jason Campbell to just 24/43 passing for 206 yards and 2 INTs. That's less than 5 yards per attempt folks. AMAZING. And don't forget, a big chunk of those positive plays came during garbage time. Since you asked, 61 yards came on WAS's final two drives and 127 came on their final three drives. So, take out their final three possesions and we held them to basically 100 yards of offense through three quarters. WOW.

Really, is there any more that needs to be said?

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Not much more i can say.

You summed it up pretty well there Blitz. It really seems to me that when Hoke is in the game there is absolutely no drop off from Hampton. That is a nice two man combo we have anchoring the middle. I keep waiting for Townsend to blow a tire or just turn to dust, but this guy continues to play solid. The defense is playing lights out. How are those Timmons and Woodley picks looking now?

My main concern is Ben. He looks so unsure in the pocket. The line gets so much hell from everyone but it seems to me like Ben has time. It seems like earlier in his career he had more of a sense of urgency to get rid of the ball. Now that hes had a few of these “superman” moments, where he shrugs off linebackers to throw deep, he thinks he can do that every damn time. Leftwich confirmed my theory tonight. He had time, moved around just enough while keeping his eyes down field, and threw. Why can Ben not do that anymore? Or at least take off? Like i have seen others say already, i think when Ben returns he needs to look short first, then long, then roll out. Right now it seems like look long for 5 seconds, short for 1, then a sad halfassed pump fake, leading to an eventual swarm by the once solid pocket.

by SteelerDomination on Nov 4, 2008 4:28 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big Ben

Just have to make a comment. IMO Ben’s problem is he is HURT and has been since Game 1. Yes, he’s big, he’s tough, he can make big plays. I love the guy to pieces but he is more than unsure in the pocket—he’s scared to death of getting hurt. He needs the rest. Byron proved he can do it and even revived and inspired the offense. Gotta say, our team always steps up when backed against the wall. They play even BETTER sometimes when we’ve got injuries. How many starters did we have out last night? Anyway… back to Big Ben. He needs to take the time to heal and rest. I think we’ll be fine against the Colts if he sits.

by SteelerChick on Nov 4, 2008 4:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well said Blitz

The D is simply awesome and who doesn’t love Nate Washington right now (I’ve been on his bandwagon for a while).

by cgolden on Nov 4, 2008 7:49 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my favorite moments

This is while watching a 141k justin tv link in which I had to rely on visual cues in order to determine the outcome of every play for the most part, but there were some gems!

  • One of Campbell’s last sacks was that bone jarring one near the end of the game, I think it was Harrison on that, practically body slammed Campbell into the ground near a goal line (?), I could see Campbells helmet bounce 2 or 3 times when he hit.
  • Some penalty by an offensive player on our side which resulted in Tomlin Fit of Rage™ moment, where even though a 141k connection I could see him mouthing the words “WHO!! WHO!? WHO?????”
  • When one of the redskins receivers caught a pass for a sure-fire first down- except that the D pretty much brought him BACK, denying the first down.
  • Hines Ward’s “almost” touchdown, when he was fighting to get in, but it took 2 or 3 redskin defenders to drop him right by the goal line.

When I saw Portis on the sidelines, sans helmet, I immediately thought of Carlton Banks:

by SteelersVT on Nov 4, 2008 8:32 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Farrior penalty

Yeah, Tomlin was pretty pissed about that. It probably was technically the right call, but (contrary to the announcer’s prattle) he didn’t “lead” with his helmet. His momentum carried him into Campbell, and their helmets happened to be in line with one another. Maybe Farrior wanted a kiss. Anyway, probably the right call, but not really Farrior’s fault. I hope he doesn’t get a fine, but who knows.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 9:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Farrior did give a little extra push at the end. It wasn’t much for sure, but the refs were just trying to make a game of it and I won’t fault them for that call, unlike the one against Deebo a few games ago.

The PI call was pretty close on ward and we definitely got the benefit of the doubt there.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 9:59 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought the PI was pretty blatant. Ward was coming back and Rodgers (or whoever it was) wasn’t going for the ball. Ward almost caught it anyway.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 10:01 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

absolutely

that PI call was spot on, the guy started dragging on him well before the ball got there

by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Nov 4, 2008 11:14 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

best comment ever. congratulations.

by NoCal-SteelCity on Nov 4, 2008 12:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol good one VT!

I’m impressed you were able to catch even some of the game with that connection! God bless the internet/

by Blitzburgh on Nov 4, 2008 12:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

50 Synopsis

What a Defense! Championship caliber! Kudos to the players and LeBeau.
Tomlin opened the game with a botched on side kick that really put the Steelers in a hole. Ben’s early INT put them deeper. The D simply would not be denied and kept the Steelers hanging around until they would right the ship.

The D was again led by a stifling front 7 that shut down league’s leading rusher Clinton Portis and picked off QB Campbell twice while sacking him 7 times. The pressure was relentless. Campbell looked like Ben against an NFC opponent! Woodley and Debo Harrison led the way but even Timmons, Farrior and A Smith joined the sack party. If you thought Potsie Farriors 11 tackles last week were impressive he had 13 this week! That and a tipped pass in the end zone on 4th down to keep the Redskins sans touchdown. Ty Carter filled in admirably for injured Ryan Clarke and ended the game with a pick. Polamalu was all over the field. Taylor was steady and Townsend has his best game oif the year with a INT and several key passes defended and much pressure provided on the blitz. Game ball for the D.

Offense was mostly inept for the first half. Ben was under constant pressure and regularly missed recievers as Arians bumbling game plan seemed to lack cohesion (again) and design. FWP was back. He lacked some explosion but still ran hard and gained 70 yards and a TD. Steelers should have run more early. Holmes looked rusty and the O line looked confused in the first half. Ben scored a late TD on a keeper to forge a 10-6 halftime lead but hurt his bad shoulder on the plunge and gave way to back up Byron Leftwich. Lefty sparked the offense to 2 long TD drives in the second half. Lefty looked cool calm and collected finding Nate for 50 on his first pass and Moore, Holmes (TD) and Ward on several key third downs. Game ball to Leftwich for pulling the Steelers fat out of the fire and delivering victory with his right arm. I think Ben is a better QB but Byron is healthy from inactivity behind the pourous Steelers line and looked healthy completing 7/10 for 129 and an almost perfect 145 QB rating. Mewelde Moore was again a key to victory after being ignored by Arians in the first half. His big 3rd down catch and run set up the Steelers last TD and helped ice another W for the Steelers.

Kudos to FA LB Andre Frazier who led a special teams squad which tackled well all night and blocked a punt. New long snapper J Retkovsky got roughed up repeatedly and may have blew a snap on a extra point that Reed missed but otherwise played valiantly for a guy selling tires up until Tuesday. It was good to have FWP back at RB so Moore could return kicks. He didn’t look any better than Dookie Davenport but the potential is there to break one.
Indy up next. Run the ball, possess the clock and keep Manning off the field. Play some D and knock Peyon around a little. Let Debo play the Joe Porter role. Hopefully Ben is healthy but if not Lefty looks ready to go. 6-2 looks good. 7-2 looks better! Go Steelers!

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Nov 4, 2008 8:33 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indy

Yeah, we need to just run run run against them. I don’t see why we shouldn’t have success. We’re not great running the ball, but they suck at stopping it. If we can get them playing cover 3, Lefty (if he starts) has the arm to burn them with the deep ball. The defense will have a challenge, but the Colts have been pretty wobbly and piss poor trying to run the ball. I think Hampton and Smith by themselves could stone their running game. If we get to Manning, game over.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 9:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the NE game is any indication

all we have to do is run draws the entire game. Indy had no answer for it. Bob Sanders may be back but he didn’t look like he was 100%.

by JHolmes on Nov 4, 2008 9:57 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Suprise onside

My dad and i argued briefly about the suprise onside. I don’t think that was too bad of a call. I think it shows how much confidence Tomlin has in this defense and he took a shot at taking the crowd right out of it. I told my dad and i quote “we all had a boner when Cowher did it in the 95 superbowl, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. If it works he is a genius, if it doesn’t you and I argue about it.” It looked like a horrible call when our offense couldn’t move the ball and they were up 6-0. I agree with you SteelerDomination about Ben. I definitely think he holds the ball too long but i also feel like either the Oline has too much confidence in Ben to “make something happen” or so does Arians with his play calls. I am not sold on this, it is just a thought. Byron has such a long delivery and I would think he would get sacked way more often than Ben, but he doesn’t. I think this is something that needs some major analyzing because we will only go as far as this line and Big Ben will take us. I am talking Superbowl, we need to fix these things for the playoff push.

by black&goldtilldead&cold on Nov 4, 2008 8:57 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought is was a dumb call

If we’re confident in the defense but not so much on offense, why not let our defense play it’s game? I thought it was stupid to spot them 3 points. Even if we got it, we wouldn’t have great field position, so if we go 3 and out, we’re at the same place. It was a field position game in the first half, and we would have been down at half time if not for the blocked punt because of 1 unlucky break and 1 unecessary gamble.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 9:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree With 45

If it works and we move down the field for points Tomlin is a genius. Reality was it didn’t work and the Steelers were in an early hole. D and ST bailed out the Coaches botched call..

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by 5020 on Nov 4, 2008 9:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd like it more later

I feel like on the first play teams are a bit more ready for everything. After the first field goal or something I’m fine with it.

by Chicago Steeler on Nov 4, 2008 10:47 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like the call

It’s aggressive. I’ll take an aggressive mistake over a conservative one any day. You play the game to win. You don’t play to not lose. That’s the kind of leadership that players respond to. Our defense knew what was going on and knew that if it didn’t work they would have their backs against the wall. They came out and stuffed Portis inches from a first down with a crazy, wild-dog gang tackle to force the field goal. That set the tone for the D for the rest of the game.

by JHolmes on Nov 4, 2008 10:01 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

one more thing

Doesn’t it feel like years since we blocked a punt? I am sure we had one here or there but i can’t remember when the last game changing blocked punt we had. some guys going to say last night ha ha…before that obviously

by black&goldtilldead&cold on Nov 4, 2008 9:00 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Last blocked punt I can remember

was vs. the Chiefs on MNF in the late ’90’s/early 2000’s…back when Bettis was in his prime and Kordell was our QB…

by Romain El 82 on Nov 4, 2008 9:15 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2006?

Didn’t the ESPN guys say the last time the Steelers blocked a punt was 2006? I can’t remember it either.

by WyoFan on Nov 4, 2008 9:57 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oops

I just posted this in the other thread and it covers some of what you talks about. Here it is anyway:

This is seriously one of the best defenses I’ve ever seen, and what does it for us is balance. Somehow, this defense is both safe and aggressive. Honestly, I don’t know if we’re as brutal against the run as the Ravens have been at times, but to be that good against the run, while getting such great pressure, and being so sound in the secondary… it’s unreal. Against the run, we’re now 2nd in ypc, 3rd in total yards, and our long of 22 is best in the league. In the passing game, we’re first in sacks, YPA, YPG, and longest play (35 yards). We’re 5th in QB rating. Here’s some notes from the game:

- Portis, the NFL’s leading rusher, the guy who has been able to run on every team he’s played, was held to 51 yards, 22 of which came on 1 play. That run shouldn’t be discounted, but Portis is the steady engine of their offense and he was getting 2 yards a carry for most the of the day.

- Jason Campbell, this year’s David Garrard, threw 2 picks, was sacked 7 times by 6 different players, and averaged 4.8 ypa. At no point were the Redskins close to completing a long pass.

- The Redskins managed 6 points on two 3 and out drives that started inside our 40.

- 221 total yards is a pretty poor showing from an offense, but if you consider that the Redskins got OVER HALF THEIR YARDS on two 4th quarter drives when they were down by 17, it’s a lot worse.

- By ESPN’s count, the defense recorded 13 deflected passes. THIRTEEN. That’s ridiculous. Campbell didn’t choke DA style (poor throws) so much as we just hit every WR and took a swipe at every ball. THIRTEEN!!!!

Unreal.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 9:28 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, this is the best D I have seen in Pittsburgh since Blitzburgh circa 94/95. With a little O help this team could go on a run and be special.

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by 5020 on Nov 4, 2008 9:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Onside Kick and other

Seems to me that the kicker tipped his hand on this particular onside kick. He also dribbled it more up the middle than off to the left or right sideline. And … he managed to kick it towards the only Redskin who was paying attention. Good idea, just didn’t work out.

The defense is playing very well. true point that the offense needs to pick it up and give the defense a little room on the scoreboard to be more agressive.

by tenthmtnman on Nov 4, 2008 10:10 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Time to let Big Ben, Leftwich To Take the Reins

Guys,

I think it is time that Big Ben be given the time to let his shoulder heal. He’s taking so many hits this year that he is not only beat up, but I think the beating has started to effect him mentally, too. He’s really holding on to the ball too long now. I counted one time where he held the ball for 6 seconds last night before he took off and ran. That can’t happen. I say give him a few weeks to heal and let him come back healthy and ready to go.

Leftwich is getting the ball out quicker now and has that arm to get it done the field. He’s not going to complete 70 percent of his passes all the time, but he can stick big throws when he needs too. Plus, with our D, we will always be in games. We all know that Big Ben is the man, but no need to play him if he is hurt and you have a capable backup who can get the job done.

I was also impressed with the way Leftwich spoke after the game. He seems to be a down-to-earth, humble guy. The front office decisions to resign Starks and pick up M. Moore, Byron Leftwich & Keyaron Fox have been huge.

Thoughts?

by datruth4life on Nov 4, 2008 10:21 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good thoughts

This is pretty similar to 2006 when Ben was beat up and Batch was playing well, but Cowher kept throwing him in there. Let’s hope Tomlin makes a good decision, either way.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 10:32 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

Totally agree. See below.

by WyoFan on Nov 4, 2008 10:32 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

A couple weeks ago, I was really questioning the non-draft personnel moves: letting Faneca leave, no O Line help (aside from Hartwig), franchising the backup OT, and not extending McFadden in the offseason. However, the emergence of Moore and Leftwich, not to mention Max Starks’ adequate replacement of Marvel Smith, has forced me to eat my words. Also, I hate to say it, but McFadden’s injury might also help us in the offseason by making it easier to resign then I would’ve thought a couple weeks ago when he was playing lights out. Kudos to the front office.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Nov 4, 2008 11:02 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lefty, Ben and the D

Game ball has to go to Leftwich. Way to step up! Also, massive credit to Tomlin for getting the whole team ready to play. Injuries keep piling up at an alarming rate and the Steelers keep plugging backups in who are ready for the challenge. Compaire that to the Cowboys and you will realize how special that is.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Big Ben is playing more injured than they are telling us. He is playing like he is gun shy and we all know when he played like that – After a motrocycle accident, an apendectomy, and a concussion. Watch the quarterback sneak, no one from the Skins really did anything out of the ordinary to his shoulder, and he came out after that. I say that his injuries are more serious than they are letting on. I think those injuries are in the back of his mind on every play in a season when he is taking sacks, and hits, with more than regularity. I think it may be time to put Byron in for a few games and get Ben healthy for a deep run into the playoffs. Oh, and get Dixon some reps with the A-unit. Just in case.

The D. What can you say? WOW. I mean, WOW. I still have a little smirk on my face. Are there any doubters left out there? Was there a collective “uh-oh” from the rest of our opponents for the year? At midnight last night, was Peyton Manning standing in front of his bed in his boxers, in a snap ready position, calling out protections? Oh yeah. The Steelers are officially on the radar.

Congratulations to the Steelers.

Here’s to playing the Colts.

by WyoFan on Nov 4, 2008 10:32 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally agree

with you on Ben being more hurt than we thought. It does really explain alot, as in the past even under pressure he has made plays. Recently he has not shown any escapability, and where have his runs for first down been when the pocket breaks down? Even last night he was very tentative when he took off, not looking as mobile and elusive as he has in the past.

That all being said, Lefty’s carving up of the ‘skins D alluded to what a healthy #7 should have been able to accomplish. I think the time has come to let that thing heal. Perhaps Byron’s success will be a positive for Ben, as it may point out there is more time and more open receivers than what Ben has been reading over the last couple of weeks.

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by il_steeler_fan on Nov 4, 2008 11:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Datruth

that is the truth i think leftwich is just good enough to hold the team together to let ben heal. THAT IS IT. ben is the starter after that, but give it a week or two. i know we only have a one game lead over balt. but we NEED ben healthy and ready for the playoffs. His shoulder hurt him before he left the game. Did anyone ever see ben underthrow a deep ball like he did to Hines? how about the out route that should have gone for 6 the other way? He just isnt right physically or mentally. Give him the rest he needs. it’s a tough call but I think you have to do it at this point.

by black&goldtilldead&cold on Nov 4, 2008 10:40 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

He underthrew a wide open Nate badly twice against NY and didn’t look very good at times against Cinci. Something’s not quite right with him. Give him a week or 2 off.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 11:25 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ben needs rest

I agree that Ben needs rest and recovery time, but make no mistake about it, he is and should be the starter for the Steelers. Leftwich had a good game and he is a solid quarterback but given opportunities with a very good Jacksonville football team, he didn’t get the job done. Over a long stretch of time Ben has proven he is special. Leftwich can fill the gaps better than any backup in the league but Ben is the present and the future of our football team.

On another note, I’ve gotta tell you I really loved the tackling in last night’s game. Both defenses did an excellent job of wrapping up the ball carrier and preventing the extra yards. Nowadays in the NFL there is a tendency to try to get the big hit, or in some instances (the bungles) they just don’t tackle worth a sh*t. Kudos to both teams for a great clinic on how to play defense.

by Steev1705 on Nov 4, 2008 11:14 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The one notable exception was Foote’s attempted tackle on Portis’s long run. Bad whiff there breaks clinton for his longest run by far against the steelers.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 11:22 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

Foote was the only guy who was invisible in this game. We got contributions from Farrior, Deebo, Wood, Hampton, Smith, Keisel, Gay, Townsend, Carter, Troy, and Timmons. Foote’s contribtions were 1 assist and one blown tackle that turned into the second longest play of the game from the skins. Timmons needs to be starting.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 11:29 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed. The only defense of Foote so far has been his run D, and at this level Timmons can easily take over. No offense to Foote, but the line of 4 LBs with Woodley, Timmons, Farrior, Deebo is absolutely sick. With Foote in there it is a good defense, but not intimidating.

Farrior would be the only guy not intimidating, but you don’t have to be intimidating when you play your mind out like Farrior did last night. And when you’re surrounded by a goon squad of absolute monsters.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 11:34 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if Timmons will get the start against Dallas Clark and co.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 12:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

'hold down'

Woodley and Harrison is definitely the proper choice of words. I swear to God Deebo is held on every single play.

by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Nov 4, 2008 11:16 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least the officials called Samuels for it a few times this week.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 11:26 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea was gonna say same thing

we didnt get one fucking call last week against the giants in holding. refs seemed to be calling to quite a bit more Monday

by Blitzburgh on Nov 5, 2008 4:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1st down stats

Number of redskins 1st downs in 1st half – 3

Redskins first 3rd down conversion – 5:21 in the 3rd quarter.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“YESSSIRRRR!”

Brandona

by PrimantisStillersNAt on Nov 4, 2008 11:39 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOW

didnt realize they didnt convert on 3rd down till then. thats ridiculous

by Blitzburgh on Nov 4, 2008 12:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That and they went 3 of 15. And averaged 3.4 yards per play

by archon095 on Nov 4, 2008 4:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

punt blocking

A few games ago we weren’t showing a punt block very often.

Against the skins we not only showed a punt block but overloaded and went through with it. We really should try to block punts more often. Our punt return game is not very good to begin with, and our special teams guys are so damn athletic. I’d be very curious to see how our return team does with an aggressive approach when they get the punt off. A full speed attack with one guy back when they’re deep like that seems to me like it would really lock there guys up blocking. Our return team sucks at blocking, clearly, so maybe we should play to their strengths. We have a bunch of hungry defenders – use them as such and stop pretending they can block.

Rewatching the punt block: Beautifully designed. Here’s how it goes.

Anthony Smith (I think) crowds in from the outside to block the punt. The far left of the skins line sees him coming and has to pay attention. Exploiting this, frazier and timmons cross at the line of scrimmage. The man trying to get frazier is doubly confused by smith coming in from the outside and frazier burns him. The guy who is supposed to pick up either frazier or timmons gets confused by what looks like one of our favorite inside blitzes and is burned by both. One thing to note is that Timmons may very well have blocked the punt himself if frazier didn’t. They were both monsters barreling down on that one, but I’m glad we didn’t have to find out if his hand was going to be over the balls trajectory.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 11:53 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good plan. I’m pretty sure we don’t need to block the gunners to fair catch punts every time.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 12:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our punt return average is a pitiful 5.3 yards. That is 5.3 yards we don’t need if we block a punt every other game.

It would be so ridiculous to just concede punt returns in exchange for blocking. I’d absolutely love to see it. The psychological effect on punters knowing that we are going to be gunning for them every punt should not be understated either – even money says punters kick it an average of 5 yards shorter a kick.

I have a feeling we’d start to see some fake punts though.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 12:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

championship defense

ron jaworski said it best last night at the end of the game: “it doesn’t matter who this team plays, or where they play them, this defense will keep them in the game. this is a championship defense.”

this is arguably the best steelers defense we’ve had in the last 10-15 years, maybe longer. we have two lbs on their way to the pro bowl. a safety going to the pro bowl. and then a handful on “no-name,” under the radar lineman, lbs, and dbs that may not have the impressive stats, but who i guarantee are game-planned for every week by opposing offenses (aaron smith, james farrior, ike taylor). we’re 6-2, and both loses sit squarely on the shoulders of our offensive line, o-coordinator, and qb. against the heralded nfc east, even though we’re 1-2, we’ve allowed just 42 points in 3 games (14 pts p/game)…that’s 2 tds, 8 fgs, and 2 safeties…all while the offenses has turned the ball over 7 times. that is definetly “steel curtain worthy.”

after last nights performance, it is more evident than ever….we need to figure out what’s wrong with the offense. if ben is not healthy, then leftie needs to start (by the way…game ball goes to leftwich…outstanding poise, leadership, and execution last night…in my eyes, he earned the colors last night) because this offense is not executing with ben right now, and they’re only winning because of the defense. this defense is the best in the league (even better than the titans) and IS good enough to shut down ANY offense in any stadium on any stage. so, offense, ben, arians….FIGURE IT OUT, because the defense sure has.

also, dick lebeau…please don’t retire, ever.

by NoCal-SteelCity on Nov 4, 2008 12:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think this is the best Steelers defense I’ve ever seen. We were pretty damn good in ‘94 or ’95, but the balance is what impresses me. Next week will be the first real passing offense we’ve faced. Let’s see how that goes.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 12:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also

go to nfl.com, and check out the top 5 defenses in the league stat-wise…steelers, ravens, giants, redskins, eagles….we’re 2-2 against those teams…and easily could be 3-1. and, our defense outplayed all of them head to head, with the exception of philly. we’re always in the game with our defense playing the way it is.

can’t wait for clark and bmac to get healthy and come back…

by NoCal-SteelCity on Nov 4, 2008 12:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea big test next week

Will be interesting to see how we approach Indys offense. Definitely would be a game where BMac would be helpful but no sense in doubting anybody right now.

by Blitzburgh on Nov 4, 2008 12:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our secondary was pretty insane monday night. No doubt BMac would have been an improvement,
but the coverage was absolutely phenomenal.

Taylor shadowed moss and held him to 14 yards on 2 receptions. Before this game Moss averaged 82 yards a game! Moss dig get a big banged up though and I don’t know how many downs he saw in the last half. Townsend was playing like a starter and Gay played like a solid nickel back.

Their WRs were basically completely shut down – 9 receptions all game for 55 yards. Almost all of their air yards came from Cooley and Portis – 15 receptions for 151 yards.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 1:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

And 13 deflected passes!!! Ben has gone entire games throwing 13 passes, and we DEFLECTED 13 of them. Insane.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 3:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And while deflected passes are normally a part of a teams defense, you can still say that jason campbell probably would have been 37/43 last night without them.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 3:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

curtain it is-

Yea – we’re what i would refer to as “Smothering” them! This is by far our best defense in a long time if not ever. We have clear control of the field when they’re on it.

Does ben need to sit – Maybe – maybe it would be enough to spell him with lefty here and there. It gives him an opportunity to get out there and keep the reps up and gives him an opportunity to heal up a bit. Honestly though – I dont think we’ll see him for 2-3 weeks. Maybe he’ll suit up nonetheless and be lefty’s backup in case he goes down hard. Lets just hope he’s not going to end up on IR.

Nice to have willie back and It was good to see moore have some productive plays.

The onside- yeah – why not go for it – its just like tomlin said after the game….it was a statement play – and we certainly were effective in getting them confused about what was going to happen next.

Overall – It was an awesome beating. Lets hope we can keep it up against the colts.

by LA Steeler Fan on Nov 4, 2008 1:06 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Schedule

I was just looking at the schedule. Remember when it first came out? How bad it looked? Not so bad anymore. Three straight home games now – Colts, Bolts and Bungles (All very winable). At the hated Patriots (Beatable), home against the Cowgirls (So beatable), Away to the Crows (Tough, but beatable), away to the Titans (Challenging after the physical Ravens), and, finally, the Brownies.

Looking Good for the Steelers.

by WyoFan on Nov 4, 2008 2:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bengals

The bengals are going to be an interesting game. We come away after the colts, then the bolts, and then 4 short days to play the bungles. The good news is it is at home, and the bengals are coming off a sunday game too against the eagles. The other good news is that if we have to play anyone on our schedule on a short week, it sure as hell is the bengals. Both of our teams are going to be pretty banged up, but at least we get a week and a half to prepare for the patriots.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 2:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unless our offense turns a corner, I can’t see us beating the Titans, unless it’s a 6-3 game. If Ben plays the way he’s been playing, he’ll have at least 2 picks against their defense.

If we don’t get the running game going against the Chargers it could be a tough game, and it’s been an awful long time since we swept the Ravens. Hopefully they’ll be beat up from their 3 of 4 NFC East games right before us and their early bye week.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 3:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Screw throwing the ball!

In that game? Dear lord, just don’t screw it up. Let’s run every 1st and 2nd down. Most 3rds should be draws or 3 step drops. I’ll play field position with the Titans all day. They won’t be able to run on us (I think we can confidently say no one runs on us now) and God knows the titans don’t throw it on anyone.

I say we just let our defense slug it out versus their defense and see who wins.

by Chicago Steeler on Nov 4, 2008 4:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or which offense screws up the most. If we’re relying on big plays on defense, the Titans have the advantage. Their defense gets a lot more int’s, and our offense gives up more ints and sacks. That’s why I don’t like the matchup. We’ll be able to run better than they will, but I’m sure Arians will screw it up.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 4:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Best Steelers D since Cowher first took over?

I would probably agree. This secondary, when healthy, is definitely the best this team has had in a long while with Ike, McFadden, Clark, Polamula. Harrison and L. Woodley are better pass rushers than the duo of Kevin Green and Greg Lloyd (and that is saying something). The DL has been stout all year long, even the backups. Then you add in the depth, with Timmons, Deshea, William Gay, and I’d probably have to say yes.

This is definitely the most flexible and varied D because this team has had great run stopping units, but couldn’t handle the pass. Tom Brady would just spread us out and kill us. Well, with Timmons, the pass rushing duo Harrison and L. Woodley, and Polamula, that is definitely harder to do.

I think McFadden has to be the team’s no. 1 offseason priority. You don’t let good young cornerbacks leave that you have developed and have turned the corner. Too hard to come by. I think Starks could still be in the plans because Marvel Smith isn’t, I don’t want any rookie (unless he is the equivalent of Joe Thomas as a rookie) protecting Ben’s blindside and you very rarely find a left tackle in free agency.

Between the 9 draft picks this team will have next year and our scouting department’s propensity for finding rookie free agents diamonds in the rough, we should be able to fill in plenty of holes.

Thoughts?

 

by datruth4life on Nov 4, 2008 3:19 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We have to keep mcfadden and he has to be reasonable in negotiations with the steelers. If he is not the steelers have to let him go, he is not worth all of our money.

We cannot sign smith next year. Even when “healthy” he has not looked good, and he is far from actually being healthy. Simmons will be questionable next year, it is going to take awhile for him to be back to form, being a turnstile takes a lot of work.

That leaves us with a lot of tough issues. We need to keep Kemo around – I know he hasn’t been great but he is okay, and he shouldn’t cost too much given his average performance. Starks needs to stay because we won’t find a LT starter – if that means franchising him again (can we do that?) then so be it, here’s another $7 mil my friend. I’d rather get him in a smaller multi-year contract though. A lot of this will depend on if he wants to say. Datruth knows that dale lolley thinks there’s no way in hell max sticks around. If we don’t keep him though what are options? Draft a LT and hope he works out. Sign Marvel? Crappy options. We must keep starks. If our line lasts until the end of the year they are going to be seriously hurting. Our backups are virtually non-existent and are starters barely hold together – we need to use this year to add depth to the O-line and more importantly pick up some players that will be good in the future, instead of this hodgepodge we call a line. I don’t think the line can be fixed next year, but maybe in two years we’ll have the personnel.

On the flipside we need D-line. Our D-line has looked great but our backups are just as old as the starters. There is no bright future for our D-line right now, nothing at all. We need to get young blood in now and ween them into it so that in a few years there is no drop-off. That and they can learn from the best in the meantime.

What else do we need in the draft? RB – no. TE – no. QB? – no. WR – no. LB – no. Safety – no. CB – not if we sign mcfadden.

Sign mcfadden and we can spend most of our picks on the lines. We need to spend them on the O-line because they suck and there’s no depth, and the D-line for the future. We have a lot of picks, lets trade up and get what we need. We are set everywhere else for several years if we can maintain our secondary and possibly #85.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 3:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t say no to a later round CB or a FS. If Tom Brady’s career isn’t over, we’ll have to face a spread out offense at some point, so I wouldn’t mind a little better depth there. Deshea’s nearing the end of his career, Madison’s a body, and Carter – I still can’t believe he’s our backup for Clark. We’ll keep Clark as long as he’s healthy, but there’s no guarantees that will be forever.

We have a lot of young ST LB’s, but depending on how confident we are in Humpal’s health and ability, we could use another backup/future starter in the mold of Foote there.

But for the most part, you’re dead on. We need starters AND backups on the offensive line. Stapleton is a piece, Colon could be a piece if he moved to guard. Hartwig has played fairly well after some early struggles. Simmons can be ok if he has good players around him. I’m thinking we should let Kemo walk if we’re really building the offense around the passing game. We should do whatever it takes to move up and take the OT of our choice in the first round. With a new OC (we’re getting one, right?), we could get by with a rookie LT, Stapleton, Hartwig, Simmons, and Colon starting for a year. On top of that, we need to draft a bunch of other OL’s to finish the rennovation and provide depth.

And yes, we need to find at least one future starter on the DL, even if he’s no Hampton or Smith. I’d settle for a young Keisel or Hoke at this point.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 4:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With 9 picks we should be able to get 3 quality linemen and a late-round CB/safety, sound reasonable?

I think the line next year I would rather see – Rookie RT, Colon, Hartwig, Stapleton, Starks. Both of these lines pose difficulties. Either way though we have to worry about starks or colon, both suspect.

I don’t think you can rely on Simmons. The guy is going to take a long time to rehab. Not only that, but in the meantime he is going to have a hard time doing the exercise he’s used to. For an overweight guy with diabetes that is seriously bad news. I expect him to degrade substantially in the next year and I don’t trust him at all. I’d rather See Stapleton/Hartwig/Kemo or Stapleton/Hartwig/Colon.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 4:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

You’re probably right about Simmons. Either of those lines would be acceptable, but we’d have to either give Starks or Kemo a long term extension, which I’d really rather not do, or franchise one of them, which I’d really rather not do. We could be seeing 2 rookies on the OL next year or a cheap Hartwig 2.0 type singing. Maybe we could trade for Mahan?

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 5:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A 7th round pick sounds about right…

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 5:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear you on starks or Kemo. Look at this way though – this year simmons was getting paid $5 million. I don’t know what it will be next year or what will be guaranteed if anything, but that is big fat money that we can do something else with. Also, simmons “strength” is in the run game right? It certainly isn’t pass pro, so I don’t know how you can’t go with kemo there. If you’re willing to spend money on a potentially useless simmons, I don’t see why you can’t sign Kemo. Kemo is 1.5 million right now, likely to go up, but not to $5. If you want to look at it another way, Simmons is our 7th highest paid player.

Smith is our 4th highest paid. I only know this years numbers, but taking them both off gives us about 11.5 million dollars. You can sign kemo and mcfadden with that. Then you have Colon/Stapleton/Hartwig/Kemo/Rookie LT on the oline.

Long story short? Kemo should be much cheaper and healthier than simmons.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 5:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Simmons has a strength? The problem with Simmons is that he’s on the books for 3 more years with a lot guaranteed money. I think we’d break even next year if we cut him, i.e. we’d pay $5-6M in bonus money for nothing instead of paying him $5-6M salary, but we’d be free from the contract in 2010. We’re also on the books for $2.4M in 2009 for Mahan’s cancelled contract.

The reason I’m not excited about signing Kemo is that I don’t want to get into another expensive long term contract for a less than stellar OL. We need to clean house, grow some young talent, and sign that talent to good extensions, not guys who don’t fit our hypothetical offensive identity. We probably need to sign some more stop gaps along the way, and if Kemo is cheap enough he could fit that bill. I just don’t want another desperation contract.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 9:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed with Kemo. He is not playing that great this year though so I’d hope we could sign him to a reasonable contract for a few years. I wouldn’t want to him on a contract that is too expensive.

That’s some harsh guaranteed money for Simmons, that makes it a tough choice. I do wish we had mahan as a backup, but we were paying him entirely too much for it. Still, keeping him around for a year wasn’t a bad idea.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 10:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mmm... off-season moves...

I think we’re fortunate that our defense has played some of it’s better games with Bmac out. If he played a full season and got some consideration for the pro bowl, he’d be awfully expensive. I agree that he’s a top priority. I think William Gay is living up to comparisions to Townsend, but that doesn’t mean I’m willing to go into a season with him starting unless I have to.

I’d laugh if we resigned Starks, but it could be the right move. I doubt he’d want to sign with us, though. He’s still going to get beat by speed rushers (watch out for Freeney this week), and I think we could trade a low first and 3rd for a comparable rookie next year. We could always transistion him again…

It will also be interesting to see what happens to Fast Nate Washington this season. All of the sudden he’s getting deep on a consistent basis and catching the ball. On the other hand, I haven’t seen him getting open underneath or making tough catches in traffic. Is he still worth signing? How much could he command on the market? Here’s a crazy possibility: cutting Ward to sign Washington. Ward is clearly not earning his $8M this year, and there’s no reason to think he will next year. If he’s willing to take a cut, great, but if not he’s replaceable. I love Hines, but he’s slowing down. If we think Washington can consistently perform as a starter, it’s the right move.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 3:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed on ward. We should keep him, but he needs to be reasonable. He is not an elite receiver anymore – sorry hines. We love you man, I was at your bar last night, but you’ve lost a step and are definitely not worth $8M. Take the cut, stick with the team as slot receiver, become WR coach for the steelers. That’s some free advice from a steelers fan.

I wouldn’t trust nate enough to replace hines with him, not at all. He has a tough time catching things in traffic and I don’t know how he’d do if it were him and holmes lined up with sweed/baker as the #3. The FOs plan seems obvious to me – groom sweed to replace ward, keep holmes, keep some other dudes as #3/#4. If that other dude is nate washington I’d be perfectly happy. He’s making plays this year for sure, but we aren’t going to pay him that much, he can’t even bust out of the backfield on a run! I don’t think we’ll have enough money to sign what he’ll want, but Nate. Let me level with you. We took your from friggin tiffin. We let you drop all sorts of passes. We stuck with you – you want to be a steeler – you want to stay. Stay here and you’ll set the record for most consecutive 50 yard passes. Do it for your nation.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 4:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think

cutting Ward is an option. To me he is for the offense what Farrior is for the defense. And I think he’s smart enough to take a paycut.

by Romain El 82 on Nov 4, 2008 4:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe ward plays a spy and joins the ravens just so he can jack up their LBs every day during practice.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 4:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No one thought cutting Porter was an option either. If Ward doesn’t renegotiate his deal for cheap, he’ll be gone next year. Hopefully he realizes he’s not going to get a big payday anywhere else, though, so there’s a good chance he’ll stick around.

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by BadMaafala on Nov 4, 2008 4:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

your rationale makes perfect sense

But cmon, Hines is so much more valuable than what he produces on the field. That sounds cliched, but seriously, there’s a reason Nate has developed. Part of it is Hines. He sets the bar the highest of any of our players, and our younger more physically fresh players have no choice but to try to go meet it. we better keep Hines, even if he doesnt restructure this offseason. I think he will after next. Don’t forget, hes on pace for like 10 TDs and 65-70 catches, and ~900 yards. That’s not $8 mil a year numbers, but its good production considering all the other things he does

by Blitzburgh on Nov 5, 2008 4:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm

I’m always skeptical of players that develop in a contract year. There is a lot of money on the line this year to motivate him. What about next year when that money is in his pocket?

by WyoFan on Nov 4, 2008 5:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Both McFadden and Washington did not just suddenly step up. Both have been slowly developing over the years. McFadden has always been explosive but has worked on his consistency in the nickel. Washington has always been open but towards the end of last year finally realized he could catch. Being a CB and WR in the NFL vs. college is a huge transition and takes time. Unfortunately for us with these two it seems like it takes as much time as their initial contract takes to run out, but I don’t think you can pin this on Nate or Mcfadden.

McFadden has been laboring to start as the #2 for awhile and just finally broke in. He has been good for awhile now but has just gotten better and better.

Nate was a friggin UDFA out of a division 2 school – that takes time.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 6:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not quite like NBA or MLB

Sure contract years are important, but its different in NFL. Take Simmons for example. He got some nice guaranteed money, but he’s still facing the possibility of losing a massive chunk of his contract by being cut due to injurys and some poor play.

Contract years just scare me a TON more in MLB and NBA where every cent is guaranteed

by Blitzburgh on Nov 5, 2008 4:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

football outsiders

Unsurprisingly, the steelers now have the #1 ranked defense according to football outsiders AND according to yardage per game.

Admittedly I was hoping the steelers would do something crazy like hold the skins to under 150, which it looked like they could do, but still. Damn.

by steelguy99 on Nov 4, 2008 4:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Theres no way

we can consider cutting Hines Ward. Im with u RomanEl…he’s just too valuable to cut and means more to the team than his numbers indicate. The guy epitomizes what the Steelers are all about! I can just see him now, running around decleating our defensive players and getting up smiling it about it…It would kill me to see that! LOL. He just has to retire a Steeler.

by Steeler Ric on Nov 5, 2008 4:50 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whats the big

deal. Keep the current offensive line then get an O-lineman in the draft. They will have a solid year together. But not only that. They are starting to gel right now slowly but surely. One of the most important things about offensive lines is that they have to play together for a while. Stop worrying about the line reps are everything, And please people start blaming Ben some Geez.

I think the true investment should come through the draft by way of D- lineman. Because of our base defense, we need certain types of special players. Of course they will be young and need time to develop. And so to me it is the D-line that needs more attention.

Any thoughts?

by C-Mac on Nov 5, 2008 10:32 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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