Time for Timmons
I just want to give a shout out to Foote. He needs to stick around, but it is time for Timmons to be in the starting lineup. We all know watching the game that Timmons looks more explosive, but what do the statistics tell us?
Timmons: 30 tackles (21 solo, 9 assists), 4 sacks
Foote: 29 tackles (16 solo, 13 assists), 2 sacks
Sacks: One could make a case that Timmons gets more sacks because he tends to play on passing downs. I won't spend too much time on that, but objectively I will say that the times I've noticed Timmons makes the sacks, and Foote just gets them. Timmons forces the issue and goes after it, Foote is not beating anyone by brute force or athletecism.
Tackles: This is the more impotant stat. Timmons has a much higher percentage of solo tackles. What does this mean? He is getting to his man before anyone else and bringing him down. I don't know the amount of downs that Timmons has played vs. Foote, but if I had to guess I would put it somewhere at 65% Foote and 35% timmons. So timmons is generating the same amount of tackles given less playing time.
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So, what about last game?
Timmons: 4 tackles (3 solo, 1 assist), 1 sack
Foote: 1 tackle (0 solo, 1 assist)
Whatever questions there were going into the season, they have now been answered. The statistics are heavily in Timmons favor, and the intangibles like being able to run with TEs and WRs are there as well. Foote should no longer be starting.
It's time for Timmons, and Indy is the perfect time to unleash him.
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Not the whole story
I think you’re right, Timmons is better than Foote, but not by much and not by the stats. The big difference between Foote and Timmons is where they get there tackles. I don’t have statistical analysis to back this up, but it seems Foote makes tackles mostly on the interior while Timmons makes them mostly on the edges. This accounts for part of the disparity in solo tackles: on a dive play there are three Steelers combining on a tackle (Foote often being one) and on a screen play there is usually one (maybe Timmons). But this is the exact reason we should start Timmons: we will be fine between the tackles even without Foote. But screen passes and scrambling QBs are more of a concern. Timmons’ strengths are exactly what we need.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Nov 5, 2008 12:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Experience matters
Still I think that Foote is a veteran and as such he is more aptly able to break down a play and make a read.
I think he still has plenty of playing ability. If anything, I think its good motivation for Timmy to play with such a character and to try to beat him.
by Mechem on Nov 5, 2008 1:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do you legitimately think that Foote should start over Timmons? And if so, I want to know how the intangible of experience and breaking down plays leads him to play better on the field? If experience and savvy does not translate to production it is not very useful. Timmons ability on the football field has gotten to the point where Foote is outmatched regardless of his qualities. Once a backup firmly plays above the starter, it is time to switch roles. From where I’m standing, it’s time to switch – Foote is not nearly as good as Timmons – I don’t care how many intangibles he has.
by steelguy99 on Nov 5, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think you should ease him in more
My theory on young defensive players is to let them get the feel more and more as you go. No doubt Im sure Timmy could walk on and start and play well. But I trust veteran leadership.
I think by the end of the season you should have Timmons playing MORE of the snaps than Foote. But I think you should make it a nice smooth gradual transition. This is a linebacking corp that has seen change lately and I dont want too much at once.
Besides, if this truly is Foote’s last effective year lets let him play it out.
by Mechem on Nov 5, 2008 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You play the best player for the job, period.
by steelguy99 on Nov 5, 2008 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Footes good and has been solid for us,
but I think Timmons upside warrants him taking over the job! It seems that Foote is missing quite a few tackles this season and Timmons will only get better with experience. He can only benefit from being on the field with Farrior and the rest of our starting linebacking crew. If nothing else, Timmons skillset gives opposing offensive coordinators something extra to gameplan for!
I wont cry if Foote remains as the starter along the lines of “if its not broke, dont fix it” motto, but I would be ecstatic if Big L got the nod and we could see him on a every play basis!
by Steeler Ric on Nov 5, 2008 2:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it as being such an either/or situation
By your own stats, you can see that both players have seen a fair amount of playing time. There are situations where both are in the game at the same time. Also, given the likelyhood of injury striking the linebacking corps as it has other positions, there is a good chance both will be required in the second half of the season.
by robert ethan on Nov 5, 2008 3:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We have 3 of our 4 starting linebackers in for almost every defensive play. Sometimes we have 5 and timmons comes in, sometimes we replace Foote with Timmons. What I’m arguing is that we should have 4 of our 4 starting linebackers in for almost every defensive play, and that those linebackers should be Farrior, Timmons, Harrison, Woodley. Foote can play the 5th guy and be there in case of injury, but I haven’t heard of a reason why Timmons shouldn’t be playing just as often as the other three starting LBs.
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by steelguy99 on Nov 5, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
I think you got some points here. I was thinking the same about depth heading late into the season. We will need timmons most late in the season and in playoffs (potentially). In this situation, I think he needs to see the field more, and in varied situations, but not necessary that he start. If Foote keeps producing like Monday night, or has an injury, I think that time would be appropriate to put him in the starting lineup.
by tkired on Nov 5, 2008 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shocking
RE, I actually agree wholeheartedly with you on this one. Both are getting a lot of playing time, and as long as that continues to be the case (and our D doesn’t look like it’s struggling), I say stay with the current situation.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 6, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My take on Timmons
Timmons still has some growing up to do in the passing game before I’ll start comparing him to Derrick Brooks, but he’s shown me that he’s better against the run than Foote. We know that he’s a really good athlete, but I’ve seen him tackle more receivers than play the ball exceptionally well. That’s perfectly acceptable for a young player who’s not even starting of course, and I’m sure he’ll get better with more consistent playing time.
As far as the running game goes, the big mistake you can make is to over pursue, which I’ve actually seen Foote (who flies wildly to make up for his lack of athleticism) do more than Timmons. On the only good run Portis had Monday night, Foote overran the play and couldn’t bring him down turning a 3-4 yard gain into 22. In addition to his comparable head and superior athleticism, Timmons is also the far superior tackler. I actually think he’s one of the best tacklers on the team. I haven’t seen him miss a tackle all season; he got run over against the Ravens, but he didn’t whiff, he just had the near impossible task of stopping a bigger guy with a full head of steam inside the 1 yard line. On the other hand, I’ve seen Foote and even Farrior miss tackles that Timmons may very well have made.
I’ve said this before, but the only thing Foote does better is take on blocks. With our DL playing the way it is, there aren’t many free blockers. We need a guy that can be in position, make plays, and flow to the ball. I think Timmons is a better player and a better fit in that role, and as we give him more PT, he could develop into a dominant coverage LB, too.
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by BadMaafala on Nov 5, 2008 3:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a tape of the game but
I thought that it wasn’t over-pursuit by Foote on Portis’ run, rather it was Portis beating Foote to the spot. As I recall Foote didn’t get there fast enough and could only attempt a weak arm-tackle which Portis broke and took off.
by houksyndrome on Nov 5, 2008 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Portis was easily able to beat Foote because Foote didn’t get to a good tackling position fast enough. If he was a step faster he is making a tackle instead of tickling Portis.
by steelguy99 on Nov 6, 2008 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Foote: a tickle or a tackle?
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by BadMaafala on Nov 6, 2008 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I definitly think that Timmons is the better of the two options. Not that Foote is a bad player. Its just that Timmons’ skill set is much better than Foote’s. Even with the mistakes Timmons would make due to his inexperience what he brings to the table athletically more then makes up for it. Besides if our team is causing havoc now for Quarterbacks can you possibly imagine their fear when they look across the line and see Harrison, Woodley, Farrior AND Timmons on every down? GOOO D!
by BlkNGold on Nov 5, 2008 5:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
D-line
The way our D-line is playing, we can put Timmons, he isnt that good with a OL on his neck, but he is great on space, so now I would put Timmons, but if Aaron Smith or Hampton go down I would put Foote!
But why change? This D is great as is!
by SteelerBrazil on Nov 5, 2008 8:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Until the yards per game allowed are 0 we are not perfect. There is always room for improvement.
by steelguy99 on Nov 5, 2008 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In LeBeau I Trust
I will say this; Lawrence Timmons and Lamar Woodley are both going to be Pro Bowl players.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Nov 5, 2008 8:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
considering the play of the D lately
I have no problem holding back Timmons a bit and then having him nice and fresh during the later part of the season when people are breaking down.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Nov 5, 2008 9:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Timmons is 22 and an athletic machine. I think he’ll be okay, and Foote can always take over later. If anything Foote needs the rest.
by steelguy99 on Nov 5, 2008 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they should "platoon"
Foote should start against power rushing teams and be in the game in short yardage situations where his superior ability to “stuff” blocks is key. Timmons should start against teams that have smaller, quicker running backs that don’t do as much straight ahead power running. Timmons should also start against teams that pass a lot for obvious reasons. So:
vs. Indy – Start Timmons
vs. Baltimore – Start Foote (Assuming McClain is Balt’s starting RB)
vs. Tennessee – Play Timmons when Johnson is in. Play Foote when White is in.
etc.
This way, you keep both guys fresh and you maximize their talents. Obviously, Timmons should be playing in passing situations in all 3 games listed above.
by houksyndrome on Nov 6, 2008 12:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Time to put loyalty aside
It seems to me that this is one of those cases where they are sticking with Foote most of the time because he`s experienced and reliable. Timmons is by far the better athlete, tackler, coverage LB, special teams. Just like BadMaafala said earlier. The only thing Foote does better is take on blocks. Timmons needs to be in there at all times in my opinion.
by SteelerDomination on Nov 6, 2008 12:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
just remember
we have the #1 D in the league in stats AND perception right now. 3 goal line stops in 2 games. Steelers Defense is HARD.
I really don’t see any need to change anything on D. I would love to see Timmons in there more, but again, I like having an Ace up our sleeve if we get to the play offs. The less tape on Timmons the better. I’m not sure the league really knows about him yet. Many people still think he’s a first round bust. Let them find out the hard way, when it’s too late, in Heinz Field in January… then on old Dale Mabry.
I know I just repeated what I said above.
That said, there certainly is merit to the idea of starting him now and having Foote as the backup.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
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