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Steelers Take Small Step and Giant Leap

I refuse to call this a "big win," simply because the phrases "big win" and big game" can be used every week (unless you have locked a playoff seed) and are therefore redundant and overused.  However, it is an understatement to say that certain elements of this game can bode very special harbingers of things to come.

While the true impetus for this win came once again from the NFL's finest defense, there is really nothing that General LeBeau and his troops do that surprise us anymore.  We have come to expect their performance, perhaps unfairly so, but they have proven our expectation time and time again.

I am much more excited about the offensive line, which to me is like the Prodigal Son. The offensive line does not deserve our praise more than the defense, but I will give it anyway.  That part of our game strayed and has been much maligned, by none more so than yours truly.  I welcome them back with open arms and shower them with praise.  The line created gaps between the tackles and sealed the edge for our running backs.  The line also made Ben feel like the quarterback he is capable of in passing plays.  Yes, the ball came out of Ben's hands wobbly most of the game, but consider he was throwing in a steady downpour.  More importantly, consider he was throwing while not under duress.

Mind you, none other than Bill Belichick, a four-star general in his own right, was scheming against them.  This was not the Cincinnati Bengals.  Various snippets from Mike Tomlin on occasion suggest he is acutely aware of public opinion by media and fans, perhaps even oversensitive.  Be that as it may, there is evidence that he uses this sensitivity to make his team better.

Picture yourself in the special teams meeting where Tomlin comes in and drills the players over and over how none of "us" believes they can tackle anyone.  Tomlin doesn't tear them down directly.  He uses "us."  Brilliant strategy on his part, and it worked (knock on wood).  Tomlin's next task was the offensive line.  I can just hear him pounding away that "we" don't think they can block.  Tomlin plays the good cop while we are the bad cop.

Why do I think all this?  In the post-game press conference, after a blowout road win against the Great Belichick, Tomlin gave a telling anser to an innocent question:  "How would you assess your running game tonight?"  Tomlin's answer was that his assessment didn't matter since "You guys are just going to write that we can't run the ball anyway."  Very interesting response.  Perhaps some of you feel like Tomlin is too sensitive and that professional athletes should not need psychology or motivation.  I beg to differ.  Professional athletes are not robots.  They are human beings like you and I.  Believe it or not, the Pittsburgh Steelers feel the weight of Steeler Nation.  Any means of motivation that Tomlin uses is OK in my book.

We talked before about improving in increments.  Just give me one more inch this week.  We clearly saw that inch against San Diego, despite the quirk of not getting the ball into the end zone.  The Bengals are still the Bengals, so that inch may not have been celebrated, but it is undeniable that we saw another couple inches Sunday in Foxboro.

While the future, of course, is completely unknown, I don't think there is a single one of us who doesn't believe that much of our hopes hinge upon that O-line giving us one more inch each week we take the field.  That is not to suggest that we don't have other work.  Dropped passes and senseless penalties are sure tokens on the train to disaster.  They need to be corrected, to be sure.  In the meantime, I have just one message for our Prodigal Son, though admittedly much easier said than done.  Dallas is coming to town.  One more inch, baby, just one more inch.

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I will call this a big win

Because I hate the Patriots more than any team in the NFL. They are evil personified and I revelled in every second of the victory.

Otherwise, I do not think we are as good as this win made us feel like we are. They were very generous with the football. That won’t happen many more times.

That said, I think this team has the best potential of any squad in the league. The sky is the limit with this group. I think they are the only AFC team that has a chance in hell vs. the NYG.

Big ups to #92, new front runner for DPOY!

by JHolmes on Dec 1, 2008 1:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I will be watching this vid for a LONG time

BOOM!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWUDFP5ZvAE&eurl=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/11/30/wicked-hit-on-wes-welker/&feature=player_embedded

Nighty, night, Wessy baby!

by JHolmes on Dec 1, 2008 1:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet victory

I really cant stand the Pats either. The defense really put the clamps down there in the second half. Harrison or Polamalu for DPOY? I really wish Timmons would`t have let up on that int. He looked scared of the endzone.

by SteelerDomination on Dec 1, 2008 2:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I used to run track and I know exactly how timmons felt (and i wasn’t wearing pads). You saw his engine cut out. There really wasn’t anything he could physically due, his body just gave out. Endurance drills will probably be worked in during the off-season…

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2008 9:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Justin Hartwig

This guy needs special mention,…he went against some dominant nose tackles in Wilfork and Rogers and he’s stood up to them. When nobody is talking about him,..you know he’s doing his job.

Also,….Harrison v Troy for DPOY? Are you kidding? I love Troy but its not even close,…Harrison in a landslide.

by ismail on Dec 1, 2008 2:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Troy has done great for sure, but I have a hard time even considering this a competition. 92 has just played incredible and inspired football. An argument for Troy used to be that they had to gameplan around him. That is still the case, but you can bet your life savings that teams are planning around Harrison now too.

For your consideration:
Troy – 6 INT
Harrison – 6 FF

Troy has gotten a few gimmes as father time winds down too.

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2008 9:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I vote for Troy!

I think Troy has a bit more value that Harrison. Reason being—-Troy can be moved around and do soooo many things that make the LB’s job easier. If Troy was not around, would Harrison have to drop back more often? Maybe so. If Troy wasn’t around, who would be coming up to the line to help stuff the run? If Troy wasn’t around who would be there to combat the deep ball?

Harrison is super awesome, but when it comes to all around value, Troy is THE man.

That being said…..I think Troy is 175% super important….and I give Harrions 150% ;)

by Ragnar808 on Dec 1, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Harrison usually looked pretty good in coverage…

I’ve started a separate discussion as a fanpost regarding this subject.

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2008 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You have to go a little further than that

While I do agree that Deebo has the edge on Troy, I would equate four overall stats between a linebacker and a DB

#1.
INT’s vs FF – 6-0 TP -6-1 JH

Both have equaled turnovers. Both lead the league in this stat
I’d call this equal except JH has an INT and TP has no FF

Edge JH

#2.
Tackles 54 TP – 80 JH

I’m going to call this equal as well, as a linebacker should have more tackles than a DB, but both are very respectable numbers for their position

Edge Tie

  1. Passes Defensed vs Sacks TP 21-0 vs JH 4-14

Both of these statistics account for INTs and FF, so based off of that…..
Edge TP

Look how close you can cut this thing, teams try to stay away from TP, and they Double team JH. both must be accounted for. This is a lot closer than what you may think, so lets look at the TRUE MEANING OF MVP

Who is more valuable to their team?
Can we plug in LarwenceTimmons for Deebo and expect as big a drop off as we can for plugging in any backup secondary man for Troy?

I have just argued myself into voting for Troy for DMVP, I started this response for James, and have just changed my mind based off of my own findings.

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Dec 1, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

got away from my numbering

#1.
INT’s vs FF – 6-0 TP -6-1 JH

Both have equaled turnovers. Both lead the league in this stat
I’d call this equal except JH has an INT and TP has no FF

Edge JH

#2.
Tackles 54 TP – 80 JH

I’m going to call this equal as well, as a linebacker should have more tackles than a DB, but both are very respectable numbers for their position

Edge Tie

#3.
Passes Defensed vs Sacks TP 21-0 vs JH 4-14
Both of these statistics account for INTs and FF, so based off of that…..
Edge TP

Look how close you can cut this thing, teams try to stay away from TP, and they Double team JH. both must be accounted for. This is a lot closer than what you may think, so lets look at the TRUE MEANING OF MVP

#4.
Who is more valuable to their team?
Can we plug in LarwenceTimmons for Deebo and expect as big a drop off as we can for plugging in any backup secondary man for Troy?
Edge TP

I have just argued myself into voting for Troy for DMVP, I started this response for James, and have just changed my mind based off of my own findings.

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Dec 1, 2008 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can you put this in the fanpost instead? I don’t want to take up room here…

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was just doing that, great minds think alike

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Dec 1, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Done, Fanpost up

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Dec 1, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One other trend

After watching the network, NFL and ESPN wrapup shows, it seems that “injuries” are being used when talking about more and more teams.

I just got a feeling that we are getting healthier as we move into the final stretch, and our opponents are getting more dinged up. Plus we had the added benefit of getting lots of reps for our backups.

So, as we continued to inch forward and improve, hopefully we’ll be at full strength, on all sides of the ball.

by BoiseSteeler on Dec 1, 2008 3:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

...die trying
http://www.agentorangerecords.blogspot.com

by agentorange on Dec 1, 2008 7:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Injuries

Aside from the obvious “W”, the best thing from this game was no major injuries, assuming Harrison’s back is fine.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Dec 1, 2008 8:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

KUDOS to the Man in the Center

Regardless of what is said about the D, we still got lucky, 2 RandyM TD drops in the endzone, Ike almost tipping anotherone into the RandyM’s hands in the endzone.. that would 21 pnts PATS.. regardless we got a win and retribution for last year…

But the praise and game ball(IMO) should go to JUSTIN HARTWIG, he was a beast in the middle.. The only run up the middle at Ben was a late stunt by middle linbacker and Hartwig was engaged with the NT..

Maybe Ben should take the O Line to Chicago every week to celebrate(Hartwig turned 30 last weekend), cuz they looked like they have been playing together for years..

It was stange seeing Ben in the pocket with lots of time to decide, he actually look uncomfortable, like “what am i suppose to do wth all this time”..

GO STEELERS !!!!!!!!

by BigDaddyTat2boy on Dec 1, 2008 9:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I would have taken a 33-31 victory.

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2008 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actually...

I wouldn’t really call it luck. On the first RM drop for a TD, if you have it on DVR, watch it again. He was pushed out anyway. His foot comes down well outside the line, so even if he hadn’t dropped it, it wouldn’t have counted.

On the other hand, Nate dropped a ridiculously perfect BB pass down at the 4 that would have been an easy walk in TD. Tons of other drops by willie and Holmes, plus us missing a kick. I wouldn’t call this win lucky by any means.

by steelerark on Dec 1, 2008 10:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

defense

It’s remarkable, in a way, that nfl teams cannot play defense this year. Remarkable, because many teams have o-line troubles and many teams are starting inexperienced or placeholder qbs. The AFC, especially, cannot play defense. Aside from the Steelers, Titans and Ravens, teams cannot consistently stop either the run or the pass.

by vherub on Dec 1, 2008 11:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Who wants defense when you could trade everything for an awesome WR?

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Quote of the Day

My favorite quote of the day comes in the form of James Harrison talking about his back, which was in so much pain that he had to be carted off the field in the first half and given some type of mysterious hot treatment which allowed him to step back on the field and record two strip sacks.

“I’m sure I’m going to really hurt tomorrow. But that’s OK. That’s football. This isn’t ice skating.”

Which brings to mind another thought. If they can teach Silverback to skate I would like to see him brought on as a defender to watch Crosby’s back. Can you imagine an angry Silverback barreling down the ice towards you?

by SteelerBuddha on Dec 1, 2008 12:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Protecting Crosby

They tried to do that once with Harrison…but his fury melted the ice. Everyone had to go home early.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Dec 1, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My Favorite Quote

came from my cuz who works the sideline at Foxboro. In the second half with the Pats* fans heckling Ike Taylor on the sideline 24 turned to the hecklers and yelled “After the game I’m gonna F your girlfriend!”

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Dec 1, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is just awesome

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Dec 1, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad

Ike couldn’t keep his emotions a bit more to himself. That taunting penalty was just foolish.

by SteelerBuddha on Dec 1, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish he’d use the 15 yard penalty as UC to knock someone into next year like any respectable DB would do.

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

Props to Ryan Clark who basically took Welker out of the game. One of the biggest plays on defense, in a night with 5 sacks and 5 turnovers.

by SteelerBuddha on Dec 1, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you can count welker as a turnover. It was at least a 180.

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

First round bye

This is one of the first years that I’d be excited about getting a first-round bye in the playoffs. It seems like we usually come out sluggish and sloppy after a bye, but I’d like to give Ben and Willie all the rest and practice they can get.

Also, I’d hate to play the Ravens in the first round if it came to that…

by Marginal on Dec 1, 2008 12:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We don't come out sloppy,

we just give the other cheaters longer to review our signals that they stole.

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Dec 1, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

5 comments I haven't heard about the game.

GREAT win. There’s something intagibly more meaningful about winning a game in bad weather. I guess it’s a measure of toughness.

Randy Moss’ drop. What NOBODY on TV or otherwise has said was that even if he had caught it he would have been OUT OF BOUNDS!!!! There’s no push out rule anymore. Sure bad drop, but it wouldn’t have mattered.

Anyone notice Ike Taylor not even try to block anyone on Polamalu’s interception return? I hope he gets called out for that in the film room.

Nate’s drop of the bomb was a shame. But for anyone hating him for that, remember if he makes the catch. It’s a phenomenal catch. what does that tell you?

Anyone notice Willie Parker’s sudden return and attitude in the second half? I don’t think that’s coaches decision. I think that’s Willie feeling his unquestioned feature back role slipping away. When he came back in he ran with serious purpose.

I’ll post more if I think of them.

by moonjockey on Dec 1, 2008 4:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Run and Stop Run

Good points moon. To your point about the run game. By the looks of it, the Oline play has improved in the areas of run and pass blocking and the two back attack was an effective and welcome change of pace. And what a sight to see. Check the stats ~ Parker and Moore went 28/154,…50 yards better than the Steelers average (106 rush ypg). Entering late season games where inclement weather is to be expected this development couldn’t come at a better time. IF the Steelers consistently produce in the 125-150 ypg (i.e. Steeler football) down the stretch and the Defense continues it’s dominate play, a sixth title is a very real possiblity.

by feworker on Dec 1, 2008 11:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

O-line redeeming themselves?

One other comment besides the previous 5 posted by moon:
Just as maryrose said, the O-line had their best game of the season. This much critiziced group is starting to show little by little that they are a bunch of character guys, that they do take pride in proving to all of us in The Nation wrong about how bad the are.

Also, the playcalling yesterday was good. Not great, but good enough. Kudos to BA for showing some evolution week-to-week in regards to utilizing our weapons and mixing it up. Also, I liked that there where no zone-blocking runs, but rather more hat-on-hat type of runs, that favor our O-line, specially in the inclement weather conditions.
There are still a couple of calls that I really didn’t like. The first third and one near the go-line, before our first three points of the game. The run called was exactly the same that they have been calling in the three previous games, with the TE in motion from right to left. The Pats were more that ready for that one.

All in all a great team win. But, now I’m looking forward to this week’s game vs. the cryboys.

by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Dec 1, 2008 5:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Congrats

Enjoy the win because America’s team is coming to town. It’ll be nice watching the best two franchises face off on Sunday but after Friday you’re spirits will be broken. Remember the NFC bEAST is back and Steel town’s 2 of their 3 losses have come at the hands of the NFC East. I’ll be back Monday with my I told you so.

Bleeding Blue & Silver

by conctrete&water on Dec 1, 2008 5:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for stopping by. Really appreciate the constructive conversation.

Nice job slipping the cowboys in to the top two franchises. The cowboys and steelers could not be any more different as organizations.

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

He is only half right on that one. LMAO!

by Jonny B. on Dec 1, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahaha

Dallas Cowboys have the record 32 playoff victories. Steel town 28

steelers all time record 522-501-21 winning percentage is 17th overall
Cowboys all time record 422-306-6 winning percentage is 2nd overall Dolphins #1

I could go on with but its time for me to clock out

by conctrete&water on Dec 1, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is absolutely the perfect response.

America’s Team continues to misunderstand what it means to be a top franchise.

Keep racking up the wins boys, we really care. Might I suggest video cameras? Maybe a few more WRs?

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2008 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Willie Colon Didn't Get His Weekly Penalty

I can’t remember the last game where Willie Colon didn’t get at least a holding penalty, so I was glad to see him go penalty-free for a game. If he can stop taking those stupid penalties, then he can be a good part of the line.

by PaulMorel on Dec 1, 2008 11:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

hehe

Ive been thinking about Colon lately. He’s still quite young and has done LOTS of learning on the job. I have yet to get confirmation from closer sources to practice and the team than me, but if he’s thought of as a really hard worker, I’d be willing to believe that he can still improve enough to be a part of our longer term plans. He did go to Hostra and enter the league very raw with little legit experience. Dude’s from the Bronx! There’s not much football there.

by Blitzburgh on Dec 1, 2008 11:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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