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Steelers Win Thriller Against Rival Ravens 13-9, Secure 2nd Straight AFC North Crown

Wow, what a game. What a stretch of games. What a season so far. If there is just one thing we all can agree on, it's that we're getting our money's worth as fans this year - certainly at least in terms of drama. I have tons of thoughts, and I'm not sure how I want to present them, but I'll just get going and see where I end up.

* First of all, congratulations to the Baltimore Ravens for playing one hell of a hard fought football game. Joe Flacco made some mistakes, but he also made some amazing plays. That teams going to be just fine moving forward and I'll tell you one thing - I really hope we don't see them in the playoffs. I think Flacco might have similar struggles if we were to play again, but it's very, very hard to beat a team that solid three times in a row in a single season.

Thank you as well to the Baltimore fans that have joined us over here this past week and for most of the season in fact. I hate the Ravens more than anybody, believe me. But good people are good people, and football fans are football fans. If you're new here and are a bit slow on picking up that we try to avoid the same mudslinging and embarrassingly crude nonsense that is just lame and adds nothing, consider yourself informed now   Gratuitous personal insults, profanity or not, just take the attention off what was a really great and entertaining game between two legit rivals. Remember that shot of Ed Reed and Ben Roethlisberger chatting it up cordially before the game? They want to destroy each other when they step on the field, but they're not so childish as to not be able to keep business and friendship or even basic civility separate.  It's a no brainer in the first place, but if the actual competitors can, fans can. Period.  While still wanting nothing but endless 0-16 seasons for their rivals of course. This is too special of a football team - let's keep the focus on the games.

ANOTHER 'BEAUTIFUL' TEAM WIN:

* Ok then. Where was I. Well to start, how about this list: Patrick Bailey, Keyaron Fox, Max Starks, Mitch Berger, William Gay. All made significant plays in this game as unheralded members of our team. Mitch Berger's tackle perhaps saved 7 points; same with Max Starks's takedown of Ed Reed after he scooped up Santonio Holmes's fumble. Keyaron Fox recovered yet another Holmes fumble, and made a huge tackle on special teams as well. Patrick Bailey emphatically took down Yamon Figurs after we kicked a FG to make it 9-6. And William Gay, in addition to playing solidly in coverage all game, sealed the game with an INT. We're a deep football team. And when Mike Tomlin says that these types of games are beautiful, it's because he asks an awful lot of each and every guy on the roster. Sometimes even more so of the less heralded and unestablished guys. The message: you never know when you're going to be the guy the team relies on to win a game. And it is quite beautiful when a team continues to get small but critical contributions from new guys each week.

MORE WINS...AND SOONER..THAN ANYONE TO COME BEFORE HIM

* The hero of course was Ben Roethlisberger. Big Ben just won his 50th game as a starter in the National Football League. That's the most wins in the first five years of a career in league history. I believe it was his 25th come from behind victory as well. Enough said really.

Here are a few thoughts about Ben's performance that I'd like to touch on in more detail this week:

 

Star-divide

1) We're a lot better on offense when Ben runs a bit. It's important to remember that it's tough to scramble on 3 yard drop backs in the pocket that are designed to get rid of the ball quickly. There's just so little space between Ben and the congestion of offensive and defensive linemen that it makes surveying what's going on much tougher. And those visual obstacles happen to be 300 pounds and crashing into each other. It's hard to make composed decisions in that situation, but Ben is starting to get a bit more comfortable now and is making much better and quicker decisions about when to take off. He had 4 rushes for 21 yards.

2) Ben was really sharp, even to start the game. He just had it going on today, and if it weren't for a number of drops by our WRs early on and his late fumble in the redzone, that game might not have been nearly as close and his personal statistics might have looked even glossier than they were. Ben actually had some wobbly and not perfect throws late in the game that were still completed, whereas his passes were extremely crisp and accurate early on. But more importantly...

3) His decision making was very, very good. I think he could have decided quicker to get rid of the ball on that play that he fumbled, but other than that, I thought he did a very good job getting rid of the ball and doing so accurately and confidently. And when things weren't there, he still made safe throws for incompletions. Earlier in the year when we were overhauling our offense to account for pass protection issues, Ben committed to getting rid of the ball for the most part, but he wasn't entirely comfortable doing so. Not only has his decision making and risk taking improved, we're now seeing him feel comfortable enough to sense pressure in the same remarkable way that he was able to do on slower developing pass plays that featured him dropping back 5 or 7 steps rather than the 3 he's doing more frequently now.

4) I've gotten numerous emails already about why we don't use the no-huddle more often. It's a good question. I really think we should be, at least more than only when it's full-on hurry-up mode. You have to give credit to Bruce Arians for making some substantial adjustments on the fly this year, so it's not impossible to think he's still willing to throw some new wrinkles into our strategy as the season winds down, but we'll just have to see.We've been waiting for nearly three years now so I guess I'd say don't hold your breath, at least not until the playoffs.

Much more on Ben and his late game heroics, but let's move on for now.

INDIVIDUAL SHOUTOUTS:

* Somebody needs to make sure that Fast Willie Parker gets some recognition for his efforts. No his stat line was not impressive - 14 carries for 47 yards and 2 receptions for 9 yards - but those were some hard fought yards. And they were crucial yards. Parker had not much at all to show for his first quarter (just two carries for 3 yards I believe), but he made subtle contributions for the remainder of the game. Down 9-3 with just 13 minutes left, we got the ball back on our own 34 yard line. Parker's 10 yard run to start the drive kick started our offense for the remainder of the game. We got just 3 that possession, but after being in a lull for most of the 3rd quarter, it was the jump start we needed for a 130+ yard 4th quarter. If you're going to go to the media like he did earlier this week, you better play really hard the following week, and fight and scrape for every last inch for your team when called upon. He did just that. It was not his best game by any means, but it was one of the better efforts he's ever had against that intimidating Ravens rush defense.

* Wow, Lawrence Timmons just absolutely terrorized the Ravens offense on Sunday. His physical prowess was on full display, but he showed his increased undertsanding of his assignments in the passing game. He was isolated with Willis McGahee on a 3rd down play following the nearly devastating Santonio Holmes fumble in the 3rd quarter, but stuck with him and gave Flacco no window to fit the ball into. More importantly though, we needed his sheer athleticism today. Timmons has had other nice moments this year for sure, but to me, this was his breakout game in terms of leaving an impact on a game and determining its outcome.  The stats might not yet be gawdy in year two as they have been for Woodley, but having him in the rotation, over guys like Clark Hagans and Clint Kriewaldt is a huge difference, even on plays that don't wind up in the stat sheet for him.

The biggest play of course was his sack of Joe Flacco late in the 4th quarter. Who knows what would have happened if Matt Stover had been able to kick his 4th FG of the game in the 4th quarter at the end of the Ravens' extremely impressive and tension inducing 6+ minute drive following Pittsburgh's FG that had cut it to 9-6. Instead they were forced to punt, which did pin us deeper than we might have otherwise been following a kick return, but nevertheless, it was a huge play. Phill Simms was too busy talking about James Harrison being bottled up to mention that all the attention he got was freeing things up for Timmons. But that's what we're going to see more and more of in the future with the Linebacking trio of Timmons, Woodley and Harrison. Pick your poison. 

One final play though that might have been forgotten. On 3rd and 4 at about the 14:00 minute mark of the 4th quarter, the Ravens faced a 3rd and 4 from their own 28. The score was still 9-3. Remember how Derrick Mason killed us in the first meeting? Seems like everybody in the world knew Flacco was going to look his way every time, but he still managed to be open just enough to make a play and keep a drive alive. That's mostly because good offense beats good defense every day of the week. The way a defense can counter that is by just punishing players each and every time they catch the ball. Timmons did just that. He body slammed Mason on that 3rd down play, jarring the ball free on impact that almost led to an INT. As it was, it still forced the Ravens to punt and we proceeded to march down the field on our ensuing possession. He's going to be a game changing type of player and I think our jaws are going to hit the floor on multiple occasions as we watch what he's able to do.

 

* Hines Ward is the man. He may not have the same speed he had at age 25, but I know I wasn't imagining things when I saw him make would-be tacklers miss and even sprint free on slants over the middle on several occasions. Ward is such a beast against the Ravens. I love it. You know how badly they want to deliver a knockout blow to him out there, yet each time we play them, he seems to get the last laugh. So sweet. Ward finished with 8 catches for 107 yards, including 3 for 36 on the game's deciding and lone TD drive.

* I can't say I entirely blame him after watching just how physical and impressive Baltimore's defense was for most of the game, but Nate Washington was a bit rattled for most of the game. I felt he was pushed around a bit too much. He dropped a perfectly thrown deep ball from Big Ben early in the game, and I didn't think he fought particularly hard for one ball that was up for grabs between him and a Ravens defender on a deep out. But to his credit, he delivered down the stretch. Washington had 3 huge catches for 49 yards on the final drive. What we decide to do with him will be very interesting to me in the future.

* I can't emphasize how impressed I was by James Farrior and Larry Foote. On a day when LeRon McClain had more individual success running the ball than any single opposing RB all year, that might sound a bit strange. But after McClain ripped off 3 straight runs for a total of 20 yards in the 2nd quarter, Foote and Farrior were just warriors against the run. The Ravens still had some success for the remainder of the game, but the two veterans definitely turned what were 8 yard runs earlier in the game to just 3 or 4 yard totes for much of the second half. On the 10 runs following his runs of 6,5,9 yards on Baltimore's 2nd FG drive near halftime, McClain gained just 36 yards. Farrior in particular is just unbelievable. That dude just gives up his body each and every week. Farrior's consistency is one of his most admirable qualities of course - he rarely has a bad game. On Sunday though, I felt Farrior found a way to take his game to an even higher level, particularly after that series. We were the most violent team for the remainder of the game and in my estimation, it started with those two guys standing up to the challenge of taking on McClain in the hole with reckless and unrelenting abandon.

* On a day when I highlighted the hopeful but still sad story that Aaron Smith and his family are dealing with, Smith went out and had 7 tackles and 1 sack. He pressured Flacco on another occasion and nearly had a 2nd, but anyway, it was vintage Smith. He and Hampton clogged gaps just well enough so that LeBeau didn't have to spend any extra defensive capital stopping the run. Smith better be in the Pro Bowl this year, or I'm going to my very best to never mention the word again on my site.

* I am not worried about Santonio Holmes. I said as much to anyone who will listen. I haven a more detailed explanation as to why I think he struggled today that I'd like to get your feedback on. That's later, but I would like to say two things about  that  game-winning play after all those mental miscues: 1) That was a tough, tough catch after doing a great job working with his quarterback who was scrambling. It'd be one thing if he made the routine play after those mistakes. It was not at all a routine play though. 2) What made it even more impressive was that Ed Reed was on him. Ed Reed's um really good at football. I I'm just proud Holmes kept his head in the game. Now he just needs to learn from Hines how to be a Ravens killer and be fired up to play against them without trying too hard and playing a step ahead of himself.

SPECIAL TEAMS:

* Mitch Berger somehow averaged 42 yards per punt, but I'll tell you what, I'd be perfectly content if he sacrificed 5-10 yards if it meant that he didn't keep punting the ball with a low enough trajectory that makes it hard for our gunners to get down there quicker. Berger had some nice punts with acceptable hang-time, but there's going to be a time in the playoffs where a game could hinge late on a field position. Of course, as we all said during the game, Berger gets a Get Out Of Jail Free Card for quite some time for his tackle in the open field.

* As for the miscue on punt return coverage, GO GET THE GUY WITH THE BALL! For the first time, our guys got caught up in watching. That wasn't the only decent sized return we surrendered either. Special teams now on notice for the first time this year.

THE OFFICIATING:

* I don't want to get into the officiating really. I thought the refs let them play pretty consistently on both sides of the ball. The 3rd down measurement was questionable, and I've yet to get a conclusive explanation about the rules about a TD catch. I know the ball has to break the plane for a TD to count - but does that apply when BOTH feet are in the end zone with possession of the ball? I want THAT clarified but regardless, I think the word 'controversy' is a stretch to say the least, because it wasn't even clear that the ball even failed to cross the plane in the first place.

* The lack of holding calls of course continues to befuddle, but at least for a day, the calls in this regard were fairly consistent.

* The one piece of officiating I will comment on is the 15 yarder on Jeff Reed after our go-ahead TD. Are you freaking serious? The inertia generated from Reed's comically Spikey-esque attempts at 'roughness' doesn't even begin to move the Ravens player and he gets flagged? And ahem, there was pushing, jawing and other extracurricular stuff going on all game. THAT'S what finally draws a foul? Could it have been something he said? Haha, that'd be funny if Jeff Reed managed to talk more flagrant and unacceptable trash than Ray Lewis. Anyway..

STILL TO COME:

* We've focused on the defense here so much this season - and rightfully so - so I don't want to go into all of my thoughts about the defense as a whole in this post, but I will say that this still remains the most incredible Steelers defense in my lifetime. We watch and love the games every year, regardless of what we're seeing is necessarily 'special', but I personally feel it's important to spend AT LEAST as much energy, if not much much more, appreciating this historically amazing performance rather than harping on the admittedly frustrating inconsistencies of the offense. There's time to talk about both of course, but it's funny how we're literally able to take for granted being given opportunity after opportunity by our defense to hang around and then win ball games late. What a season-long virtuoso performance by LeBeau and his players.

For the record, we continued our streak of holding opponents under 300 yards each game this season. The Ravens had just 202 yards on 61 plays. The 3.3 yards per play will lower our already historically impressive 3.9 yards per play allowed even lower. 2 more INTs as well, including a momentum-halting pick by Ryan Clark. We did give up 116 yards on the ground, but only 3.6 yards per rush. McClain is a bulldozer, but the defense manned up and kept violently meeting him head on. 

Bottom line is the resolve of this defense can not be cracked. Not by injuries, poor play by the offense, compromised field position, a mysteriously absurd lack of holding calls. Nothing. And there hasn't even been ONE SINGLE outlier where we we forced to say 'ah well, can't play perfectly every time.' Apparently we can, actually.

* Post devoted solely to the offensive line coming this week, but for now I'll just say that they played much, much better this week than last. It's tough sledding in the run game for all teams against Baltimore, but we had a few moments. More importantly, the pass protection was great. The Ravens had three sacks, but two of them were on very well designed stunts involving Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. And frankly, the Reed sack was on Mewelde Moore, who instead of being the last line of defense simply just hid behind the offensive line, who had done just fine holding back the initial wave of Ravens pass rushers. A solid game for the unit all in all. And oh yeah, those Cowboys pass rushers are pretty good. They recorded 8 sacks against the highly regarded Giants offensive line.

That's more than enough for now. This was such a great game to watch and comment on with many of y'all in the open threads. The stakes were so high. So much pressure and tension. And like we have three of the previous four weeks, we made just enough plays to win at the very last minute of the game. Our first road win in Baltimore since 2002. In addition to retaining hegemony over the AFC North for at least another year, we secured a 1st round bye in the playoffs and at least the #2 seed. 

With so much accomplished already, it's scary to think we may still have yet to see the best of the 2008 Pittsburgh Steelers. I wrote that I thought we were Super Bowl bound two weeks ago, before these gutty wins. It hasn't been pretty and anything can still happen, but with just two games to go, we continue to get more healthy. With a guaranteed spot in the Divisional Round, the biggest of goals for this team remains on the table.

I suppose the guys might need to rest their aching bodies, but man, I can't wait for the next heart-stopping game. Go Steelers!

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is starting to get a bit suspicious to me. I really don`t get it. For example the Smith sack. James Harrison clearly was being pushed to the ground from behind. Harrison got there first and was crawling at the feet of Flacco when Smith came in and cleaned it up. I feel bad for Harrison because he should realistically have 18-20 sacks. Whatever, i still think he gets DPOY honors.

William Gay impresses me more and more every game. He can cover, usually makes sound open field tackles, and i have yet to see him get beat peaking into the backfield on play action. (Like the bench bandit Anthony Smith loves to do.) This secondary really does`t give up big plays. Ryan Clark may not get a lot of credit but he is crucial to the success of our defense.

Timmons is starting to blow up. You would have to be blind to not see that coming. Now that he seems comfortable with our complex scheme he is able to just react and use his athleticism. What a luxury to have such a versatile linebacker capable of covering speedy backs in the flat as well as cover tight ends like a blanket. He might be over matched by WR`s but i have seen him do it.

Overall a great win. I actually thought we would drop this one in close defensive struggle, but to my surprise the offense held its own against a defense almost as dominant as ours.

Looks like Haynesworth is going to be out. Hate to see anyone get hurt but that really helps our chances of a decent run game next week. If he played i would forecast another frustrating day for Willie.

by SteelerDomination on Dec 15, 2008 5:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

how about

andre johnson going off for 200+ yards on their secondary. I think we may have a breakthrough game of sorts next week. Fingers crossed, but that defense is not as good as advertised and I’m hoping we can pick up where we left off.

by Blitzburgh on Dec 15, 2008 5:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

been preachin that all year

now we’ll have a chance to see if i’m right

by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Dec 15, 2008 8:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not to mention,

I have him in my fantasy league where he garnered 37.7 points for me en route to a 177-99 beatdown to get into the finals and at least 500 bucks. :)

by steelerark on Dec 15, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Want an Investigation of the San Diago Game

I am increasingly wary of NFL officiating. The end of that San Diego game is totally inexplicable to me. The only explanation is that one of the refs “sleeps with the fishes” if the Steelers cover the spread. I hope that Goodell looks into this before it explodes in his face.

by PaulMorel on Dec 15, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations

Great game guys. I have eaten my words for this week. But let me tell ya, of all the weeks I have been on these blogs to talk about the game coming up on Sunday, this was by far the most fun I had. The rivalry just makes the game that much more entertaining and everything that led up to it. The back and forth verbal battles we had here, cracking jokes on each other, talking a little smack talk. It was a fun week just preparing for that game.

Couple things I would like to point out…….

- First off, that was a hell of a defensive battle. I mean, everyone thought this was going to be a game of low yards, a lot of unsuccessful 3rd downs, and some field goals. That is exactly what it was. The game started out, looking as if it was going to be a solid performance by my Ravens. We were clicking on special teams, getting the ball in your territory very early in the game. But your defense stepped up, like they have all season. You got into a rookie QB’s head and made him start off very slow. We had our chances early in the game to get in the end zone. But a few bad play calls, some bad passes, and a hell of a defense made it literally impossible for us to get 7 on the board. Even though the stats were not that great (22 QB rating or something like that) I am still impressed at the talent that I sure do believe Joe Flacco possesses. Besides the slow start and some bad decisions, he made some nice throws like he has for most of the season, but again we could not capitalize. We got the run game going for the most part, as LeRon McClain showed that he is nearly impossible to knock back. He was able to break some tackles from some of the biggest hitters in the league. That man has come from seeing the football in his hands 13 times last season, to being out leading rusher, and one of the main reasons for our success we have had with scoring and controlling the clock. My Ravens’ offense did the best they could to try and win this game, but a defense like yours is hard to get the lead you need.

-Well, I move to Roethisberger. I think he is a perfect image for Steeler football. Big, strong, grungy, and tough as nails QB. That is your style, its ugly football, but in a very good way. The whole year, I have heard so many negative things said about your offense and Ben’s performance. Not only from analysts and other fans, but from Steeler fans! Yes, I will say that he has not been performing to what he is very capable of, but the guy does enough to get you the win. He is smart and god damn can he move for his size. I think he may be the best QB at throwing the ball while running, even better then some of these guys whose offenses are built around them being able to get yards on their feet. If I were to use one word to describe his style of Quarter Backing, I would say “Freestyle.” He gets the play formed up, feels the pressure, gets out of it, and improvs the rest. Ben is making the plays when it matters, which has been apparent the past few weeks and especially in this match-up. I am 100% sure that if you had a healthy running game, his numbers would then show all you guys and the rest of the league just how good that guy is. I mean, look at his stats last year, 65.3 comp %, 3,154 yards, 32-11 tds vs ints. There was only one QB last year who had a better QB rating then Ben, wonder who that could have been……? Your line is just not doing so well this year, it is doing enough to get the W, but I think you guys know that those front 5 are having it rough. Ben has a chance of being sacked the most he has in his career this year, as you guys face two very aggressive defenses the final two weeks (Tenn, Clev). Gotta give it to the guy, he knows when and how to win the games.

-Mike Tomlin, well, what a coach. 2nd year in the league, and he is doing this?!? Props to the guy. Young mind, new style, new work ethic, and he has you guys in position to make a run at Tampa. He seems to be a very humble and straight forward kind of guy. I can tell that he relates well to his team and the players thrive off of his personality and ways that he approaches each week. Always highfiving, jumping int he air with his guys. He looks to be a very proud coach, and I can tell that your team really enjoys playing for him. You have a guy who will be there for many years and looks to bring some very successful seasons in the future.

-Defense, yea, um…….Scary. I will just say that. You showed Joe’s rookie flaws, and kept us from getting the lead that would have probably won my Ravens the game when your offense and special teams put you guys in a bad place. Hats off to what they have done all year. 14 straight without a 300 yard game??? Not human.

- Ok, so I move to my side of this comment. My Baltimore Ravens. Well, we did not play 60 minutes of football today. That simple. We gave everything we had and it was all looking as if we were going to maybe pull this one out. But you can never say the game is over till it is over, especially to a team like Pittsburgh. I will not make any excuses, as I admittedly have many times this season in our other 4 losses. We did not do enough to win. Sure, there may have been a few controversial calls in this game, but they did not lose us that game. We had you pinned on the 8 yard line and allowed Ben and crew to move it 92 yards for the score that we all knew would win this game if either team got it. The third down measurement, I do not think there was any evidence of a first down, and I think you guys know that to. As for the touchdown, who knows? They made a tough call to place the ball on the 1 inch line, and it was the Refs’ decision whether or not there was enough evidence to let it stand or turn it over. Point being, those 2 calls did not lose us the game. And I know you guys did not agree with some of the non-calls today from our O-Line. All in all, we did not do our job out there, and you guys took advantage of it. All credit your way.

- Well, I finish this off giving my congrats, my thanks, and my apologies to you guys. Congratulations on winning this division. Toughest schedule in the league and facing a top tier defense twice a year along with some of the NFL’s best, hats off. Thanks for a great game to be a part of at my stadium. The crowd was loud as always, exciting to be there and witness two of the games best face off in an all out war. My apologies to anyone on this site who took the smack talk from this week a little too seriously. We exchanged our words, maybe got heated at times, but that is what competitors do. You think you are the best, we think we are the best, and today showed who was right. I understand where some of the previous comments came from after this game. The juices were flowing threw the keyboards. Your goal for this week was to shut a lot of people up, including myself. You succeeded. The comments were a little inappropriate and I will admit, they made me miserable again, just like I was leaving M&T Bank Stadium, but again, the hate and fight in both of us shows. I hope we can keep it mature here and act like grown ups. It is the best rivalry in the sport in this era of football and the hate will always be there.

I hope both our teams can build from this and keep rolling into the post season (Well you already are). My boys have some hard tasks ahead of them, and it is going to take some hard work and a lot of heart to make it in the playoffs for one of those wild card slots. I am still proud to be Raven and will always wear my purple and black with pride. No matter what happens this season, I am still proud what my team has accomplished. They have done things this season that not only did I think would be possible, but things that this franchise has ever seen. IE an offense that shows some flare. I look forward to learning from this game and working towards next week when we take on Dallas in their last game in their stadium. Good luck Pittsburgh, good game, and good riddance that we do not have to see you anymore in the regular season. Maybe we can get that last shot at you guys at Heinz field in the playoffs : )

True Raven Fan
Mr MaLoR

 

 

You have to hate losing more than you love winning

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 15, 2008 5:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

whooa

Treatise. Thanks man. Very thoughtful to share. And keep hanging around. More the merrier.

I agree about Flacco. He definitely missed some opportunities, but I thought Cameron asked him to do too much. Running game was going just fine. As were the FEW screens that were called. Too much greedy play action. BTW, he needs to work on his selling of the play action. Looks too scripted to me at this pt in his career.

Thought the Ravens O Line did a pretty good job all day too. Futures pretty bright if the team could get a few more playmakers on offense to help Mason and Heap. HUUUUUUUUUGE game against Dallas next week.

by Blitzburgh on Dec 15, 2008 5:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, yours was longer than mine!

You have to hate losing more than you love winning

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 15, 2008 6:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

ridiculous really.

but I just loved this game. Really loved watching us win. Much more satisfying than Dallas game. There was not much at all positive offensively last week. This was much different.

by Blitzburgh on Dec 15, 2008 6:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

it really was a great game. Of course, we won, so my vision is a little skewed, but still a great game. I really was worried about it. And I couldn’t agree more, Flacco has some skills. Even though he was playing poorly (and seriously, what qb has had a great game against us this year?), he still looks confident back there. I will say it again, I really wish he were playing somewhere else.

Looking ahead, what’s your predictions for the ’Boys game?

by steelerark on Dec 15, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Peyton had a great game against us. I believe that’s the only one.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

those boys

are going to have to face on desperate and pissed off raven’s defense. I think they’ll play even harder than they did on sunday. Is that even possible?

by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 15, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

She must be very well endowed indeed.

Excuse me while I go throw up in my mouth.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 16, 2008 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

very classy response, mr. malor. like blitz said, every fiber of my being wants the ravens to go 0-16 every year. but as much as i am a steelers fan, i am also a fan of decent human interaction and relationships. so, thank you for your class here and for rising above the complaining and whining and being a poor loser. i will use it as an example of how i should behave when we lose (but hopefully that never happens). thanks again.

...die trying
http://www.agentorangerecords.blogspot.com

by agentorange on Dec 15, 2008 8:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

its funny

I hate them, and love it when they have a losing season, but I don’t think I would like it if they were perennially losers. I love having that huge rivalry that we have.

by steelerark on Dec 15, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats to you on a great game to watch. You can be proud of your team for the way they fought, and the way they responded. Nice post, we’ll reserve the Crow Pudding for next time around. :)

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Add me to the list

of humbly standing before you with my head down, waiting to receive my lashes.

Rexx

by Rexx on Dec 15, 2008 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Impressed you came back

Hey its a game. A big one, but you are man enough to return.

however I do have to get this off my chest…

Told you so.

by Mechem on Dec 15, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post

Thanks for the week long interactions, to all the Ravens fans. For as much as I enjoy seeing the Steelers win the AFC North, I also enjoy the battle of it. And lord knows the Ravens bring the battle. In a division with two clowns in Ohio, it’s good to see the fight continue between two similar hard hitting teams.

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 15, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mr MaLoR

You’re welcome here any time. Great and thoughtful write-up. In regards to seeing your team again this season I have one thing to say … Nevermore.

by BallsofSteel on Dec 15, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

First time I saw McLain

man, you guys have a monster! props

by BoiseSteeler on Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

very professional, and nice to see from a fan of our hated rivals

Mr. MaLor,

Just wanted to say that reading your post inspired me to finally sign up and register on here. It was truly an unforgettable game, and obviously I’m elated to be on the winning side of it. I certainly wouldn’t have taken a loss as well as you. So, from one incredibly passionate Steelers football fan to an obviously passionate Ravens fan, I thank you for your lesson in good sportsmanship. May the rivalry we have created live long and prosper, and I certainly hope we don’t have to face yinz again in the playoffs…(man does it feel good to say "playoffs"). Best of luck! GO STEELERS!!!!!

by black and gold blood on Dec 15, 2008 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the write-up blitz. i guess it was long, but i didn’t notice because i just want to keep reading and reading and basking in the glory of this win. for like 15 minutes after the game i just kept yelling out loud, “they won! they won! i love you, ben!” ha!

seriously though, this is a huge win. i read in the ppg today that ben said that it really takes the pressure off of the next two games and instead of them being must wins he can just “play relaxed.” i think that is actually important. i think winning this game will help us stop pressing so much and relax (esp. on offense) and just play closer to our potential. i don’t know what you are going to write later this week about santonio, but i think that is part of his problem: he presses. i mean, its understandable especially against that ravens defense, but it just seemed to me that the offense was tight. it will be interesting to see if they look more relaxed next week.

as for the defense, wow. just wow. even without the sacks and some of the qb pressure that we are used to getting, and with mcclain able to power for some yardage, we still dominated. our secondary is boss. i love what “big play” gay said in the post game interviews: we want to defend every blade of grass. that’s just awesome.

one last comment for now. i love being a steelers fan. i mean, i could be nothing else. its just in my blood. so even if we were 3-11 i would still be a huge fan. but they sure do make it easy to love them. we are very blessed. relish it, steelers fans. and support them all the more for it.

...die trying
http://www.agentorangerecords.blogspot.com

by agentorange on Dec 15, 2008 8:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t pay attention the whole game, but I didn’t hear Max Starks name called very often. What I saw was him constantly pushing his man to the outside in pass protection. We should have picked up those blitzes, but the line did an OK job this game, and starks in particular I don’t think ever had a man come free.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 8:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don’t be too harsh on Mitch. We all know he isn’t the greatest, but he is getting some really, really awful snaps. Especially at the beginning of the game they were coming in real low. I’m pressure there was even a snap that bounced along the ground to mitch, or was that just my eyes?

Punters can’t be concentrating on catching the snap and booming the punt. He needs better snaps.

I’m going to get myself a Greg Warren jersey and write an ode to his consistency.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 9:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

pressure = “pretty sure”

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 9:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way, looks like the vikings snuck into the #1 rushing defense by playing some pansy red birded team. I guess the steelers defense is no good. :P

There would be nothing sweeter than the steelers reclaiming that next week against the titans.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 10:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

7 Attempts

7
WHAT THE F&#&# YOU ASSHOLES.

Whiz is a dick.

7 attempts for 43 yards.

FUDGE.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

I can’t believe that. I was confused when I saw that line. How could they only rush 7 times when they were running so well? I hate to think anything negative about a coach like Whiz, but that line is bewildering.

by PaulMorel on Dec 15, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

1) They were down 21-0 in the first quarter.
2) Hightower’s 1st run wasn’t until the 2nd quarter. He ran for 4 yards, and 2 downs later ran for 1. Next run was out of the shotgun at the end of the 3rd quarter for 5 yards. The stats are deceiving, hightower wasn’t running that well.

The main issue was not that whiz decided to not run when they were running well. The issue is that they never ran the ball. The reason they don’t is because they suck at doing it. The only reason they were able to run the ball was because they passed like every friggin down. If they actually committed to the run they wouldn’t have gotten anywhere.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Injury Report

Hey guys were they any notable injurys from sundays game??
and who thinks brett kiesel will play next week?

by 2005steelers4life on Dec 15, 2008 10:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nothing on the grapevine yet I don’t think. To me it looked like all steelers played the game out. Farrior went out early but came back and played fine. We’ll wait for the official word, but to me it looks like we got out of the game amazingly healthy.

I’ll bet Brett makes it back this week. It’d help against the titans too. Travis has manned up with the third most tackles against the ravens, but keeping the guys fresh against the titans will be key.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Heart Bill Cowher

Don’t know if anyone saw the CBS pre-game show when they were doing the picks. Everyone picked the Nomores, then it was Cowher’s turn. He pulled out a stat sheet and said, something to the effect, Ravens are 7-1 in the past 8 games, their offense is top 12, defense is top 3, Flacco has this rating, Steelers haven’t won in Baltimore in 5 years, etc. Then he pulls out a Terrrible Towl and says, I am going to just wipe out all those stats and say the Steelers will win!!!

I can’t see him going to Cleveland.

by vin2k on Dec 15, 2008 11:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cowher has been a consistent steelers supporter on that panel. He gets some serious props – he knows what this team and his nemesis Ben are capable of. Yeah he’s biased, but damn do the steelers like to prove him right.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What is the story behind him and Ben? I’ve heard rumors, but nothing major, just the old coach/rookie thing. Anymore to this then what is publicly known?

by vin2k on Dec 15, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think they just dislike each other. No big surprise, I’d dislike bill too.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT!?

why would Bill not like Ben? He got him a ring for crying out loud. They should be best friends. And I don’t see Cowher going to cleveland. Maybe dallas or San Diego. It’s a little early to tell.

by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 15, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cleveland is a Ruse

I think that Cowher is just using Cleveland to let everyone know that he is back on the market. It would be a big slap in the face to the Rooneys for Cowher to come back to the AFC North, and it would also lead to some legal struggles, since Cowher had at least 1 year left on his contract when he “retired”.

I think it’s more likely that Cowher will end up in the NFC (and he will definitely end up coaching somewhere in the NFL), but there are a dozen cities where he might land: St. Louis, Seattle and San Francisco seem like real possibilities, especially since Cowher’s daughters are all moved out (ie he has nothing to tie him to the east coast). In the AFC, Jacksonville, Buffalo or San Diego seem like real possibilities (I think that KC will keep Edwards around).

One thing to keep in mind is that Cowher will have his pick. He is a Super Bowl winning coach with an amazing regular season record. In other words, I wouldn’t look for Cowher in cities that don’t have a viable framework for winning. This eliminates Detroit, Oakland and Cincinnati, and places a fair amount of doubt on San Diego, where the young general manager has more power than the head coach.

by PaulMorel on Dec 15, 2008 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

retired

That contract that he retired from doesn’t matter. Cowher is free to go wherever he wants. The Steelers have no rights to him at all.

by worldtrip on Dec 15, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree

We all love Coach, but if he decides to get back into coaching, it would be strange to have him go to Cleveland, but it wouldn’t be unprecedented:

1. Bud Carson was the head coach for Cleveland

2. Coach Cowher played for the Brownies

by BoiseSteeler on Dec 15, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I loved it. I’ve never seen the Chin with a terrible towel before, and I absolutely loved it.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, even his halftime comments when we were losing

pointing out we have 4 (5 now) come from behind wins this year, and that BB has gotten it done plenty of times in the fourth quarter in his career. How prophetic!
     
      Some people with lesser class would be secretly rooting for their successor to fail in order to boost their own legacy, but not Cowher! He has a genuine respect and love for this organization and its owner.

by Jonny B. on Dec 15, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He also said during halftime that the game was still up for grabs and it was going to come down to the two QBs. Which one is going to make the play that wins the game, Big Ben or Faggco.

I think he is staying retired for another year.

by vin2k on Dec 15, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cowher is a Steelers fan

He grew up loving the Steelers. That may be one of the reasons it was so hard to get that SB win for him. It was a little more personal for him.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Dec 16, 2008 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

vS titANS

Not having to play against haynesworth and maybe vanden bosch would be huge, the texans exposed the titans defense last week and the titans offense couldn’t do anything against a mediocre texans defense, imagine when the titans will have to the best defense in the league

by 2005steelers4life on Dec 15, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tipping Point

Fellas, this was THE game of the year. A win here has so many implications for the near future and The Steelers legitimate shot at Tampa.

Peter King has the Steelers #1 this morning. Does anyone disagree? 11 – 3 with the leagues hardest schedule. The Steelers are in a position to lock up home field advantage throughout the playoffs as well as already locking up the first round bye. The Steelers are the most battle tested team in The NFL. Suddenly, the game against The Titans feels like The Steelers are the team to beat.

Do you thnk that opposing offensive coordinators tell their offensive linemen to go ahead and hold James Harrison because they know it wont be called by the zebras? Amazing.

This is starting to feel like a team of destiny. They win despite the massive early season injurys. They win despite the leagues toughest schedule. They win despite what the comentators say about stealing games, or controversial calls (When they hardly ever mention the holding). They win despite the NFL hassling the Rooneys about ownership. They win despite some of the most biased officiating I have seen for any one player (And I do feel: Just plain biased officiating). They win despite bounties and fines. They win.

I have to say that if we lost every game for the rest of the season I would be satisfied. The Steelers players have played and fought to the point of heroism. They are truly deserving of the greatest fans on the planet (I was amazed at how the Crows stadium erupted when the call was a touchdown), The Steelers Nation.

by WyoFan on Dec 15, 2008 12:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

i was also amazed at the cheering in baltimore when the ref reversed the call. pittsburgh south?

...die trying
http://www.agentorangerecords.blogspot.com

by agentorange on Dec 15, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Harrison

On what you said about teams holding James….My old man flipped out when they said whoever was “blocking” James on the one play they showed a few replays of was doing a great job “blocking him” HE WAS FREAKING TACKLING HIM!!! I think it makes me more mad just for James personal stats and legacy as one of the best pass rushing steelers EVER. He could easily have 20 sacks right now. It makes me mad for him! He also hardly ever complains I would be punching the ref every week if that was happening to me. Oh well got that off my chest…and suprisingly i am not one to b@tch about holding because I understand how much of it goes on and how they let it go. However, the times it happens to James are the times where they would/should call it everytime.

by black&goldtilldead&cold on Dec 16, 2008 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike and Mike on Roethlisberger..

..anyone catch that? Little Mike was gushing about him, similar to what we hear on this site. Big Mike is no fan, called Ben average or something to that effect. Said that was all he would ever be. I’m with Golic on this one. Ben is the size of an ox, but not as smart.

by robert ethan on Dec 15, 2008 12:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If only ben could win games for us, then maybe I’d be a fan.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

True

If only his record as a starter wasn’t so shabby, then maybe he could be considered with the elite, like Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers and Drew Brees.

Oh well. It takes time for some quarterbacks to develop. Maybe next year.

by PaulMorel on Dec 15, 2008 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Palmer Rivers and Brees?

What about Tony Romo? I only hope that BB can someday can be considered with the likes of Tony Romo, you know, with the way he plays in December and January…

WE DEY!!!!!

by jr3131 on Dec 15, 2008 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I just hope he learns to maintain ball security like Mr. Romo.

by PensFan024 on Dec 15, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You guys kill me!!!!

Whenever I hear that from the media this year, I think about the article from this site on Ben vs. Eli Manning. The consensus was pretty much “Ben is the right quarterback for the Steelers, Eli is the right quarterback for the Giants”

Ben’s our guy, and looking forward to next year when we can draft/trade to improve the O-Line.

by BoiseSteeler on Dec 15, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Romo-ness is next to godliness. At least that’s what the Dallas fans will have you believe.

by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 15, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Romo is Madden's New Favre

Am I the only person who noticed this last night?

by PaulMorel on Dec 15, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Curious

R.E. let’s say you’re right and Ben’s not the brightest bulb, why does it matter if he can win football games? I think he’s got plenty football smarts personally, but even if he didn’t he knows how to play the game and play it well.

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 15, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bradshaw was no genius

He just won, over and over again. This just in: Meatheads are good at football!

by BallsofSteel on Dec 15, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

true.

What did Hollywood Henderson, say? “Vradshaw couldn’t spell CAT if you spotted him the "C” and the “A”.

by Jonny B. on Dec 15, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not entirely true.

I am a meathead, but I sucked at football.

by JHolmes on Dec 16, 2008 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Something to note

Of the teams The Steelers have played thus far in the season, they have played the #2, #3, #5, #6, #7, and #11 defenses. They will play #4 next week.

by WyoFan on Dec 15, 2008 12:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Wow. Good post.

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 15, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And they play #1

every week in practice.

by Steelin on Dec 15, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

Interesting way to look at it. Though, that post only includes the ranks for the teams, not the number of times we play them. For example, we play the Bengals (#22) and the Browns (#26) twice. If you average the whole schedule based on current rankings, our opponents average to 13.3 in their defensive rank.

On the other side of the ball, our defense will have faced teams that currently rank from #3 all the way to #32 on the offensive scale. Six of our games were against offenses ranked below #21. Those include the Ravens (#21), the Browns (#29) and the Bengals (#32). The average ranking for our whole schedule is 17.8 on the offensive side of the ball. (I am tempted to add our own offense as one that was working against our D, but that’s kinda silly.)

So, using this admittedly simplistic view of the numbers, our offense faced tougher foes than our defense. I think it’s also fair to say that our defense (and that of the Ravens) would explain why teams like the Bengals and Browns have such remarkably poor offenses. Imagine you play for either of those teams and have to play us and the Ravens twice. Then you add #3 Eagles into the mix. Ya gotta feel sorry for ’em.

by Varmint on Dec 15, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bens come from behind wins

Now, Blitz, you stated in your little diddy there ben has now 25 come from behinds?

Is that just saying like in general we were down at some point and we got back up?

Because ESPN after the Cowgirls game said Ben had 16 Game winning/Tying drives. Now I guess thats 17.

Just wanted to know the exact specs. And where prytell does one get this stat?

by Mechem on Dec 15, 2008 1:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What’s funny about that stat is it means that 50% of ben’s win are because of 4th quarter comebacks.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

uuuh no. It means half of his wins were come from behind (ie. we were trailing at some point in game). As far as the 16 game winning / tying drives (I assume in the 4th qtr), did we win all those?

by Jonny B. on Dec 15, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You can do the legwork yourself in game logs.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com has some sortable stuff.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just did some checking...

       John Elways is on the top of the list, of course, for most game winning (40) and tying (7) drives by a QB. BB, at 17 now, is on pace to challenge that record. This is very impressive.

by Jonny B. on Dec 15, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a future HOFer we got here.

by Jonny B. on Dec 15, 2008 7:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On Being Civil ...

As you mentioned the BB/Ed Reed chat. Polamalu courteously picking up McClain after driving him into the dirt. You can really see who the leaders are on this team, and I was proud of the way our guys played.

by BallsofSteel on Dec 15, 2008 1:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

one play execution i loved

Moore runs to the right sideline and has to break a tackle. His stiff arm fails horribly and instead turns into a handhold with the defender. He still breaks the tackle and gets a few yards.

Moore and Parker both ran well this game.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 1:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah, that happened last time we played the Ravens, too IIRC. It’s an awkward site, seeing a stiffarm go sour like that, but if he gets the yards then oh well.

Brandona

by PrimantisStillersNAt on Dec 15, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Call me an ass

Ive been saying this everywhere though…

Fabian Washington indirectly lost us that game. The guy had been playing great all game, breaking up passes galore (he cant catch an INT to save his life though), and stopping the big play. Then in the fourth quarter out the blue hes on the sideline with a hamstring injury, I DONT WANNA HEAR THAT MESS!!!

Soon as he leaves, i dont know if you were playing attention. Big Ben starts moving the ball, pretty ironic no? Rex had to switch up our defensive coverage and toss the HATED Frank Walker, and Corey Ivy. And then theres Samari Rolle who is very inconsistent. I honestly think if Washington was in that drive you all would not have been moving the ball through the air as well as you were… and I think even if you had (but I dont) that Fabian would have broke up that endzone pass play.

Im not even gonna get into that whole inconclusive evidence thing, Im just saying soon as Washington left you all started moving the ball… He indirectly loss us that game, so I hope he was REALLY hurt and not just some “meh we got this game my leg is tingling” type shit. Like if he plays next week im traveling to Dallas to hit him with a shovel and possibly setting his uniform on fire.

An angry Ravens Fan
-Matchz Malone

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Dec 15, 2008 1:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Deep breaths, Matchz

keep repeating, “it’s only a game, it’s only a game.” And step away from that ledge!

Rexx

by Rexx on Dec 15, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A hurt player can do more harm on the field then on the sideline. Say he went out their and was one on one with Washington. If he cant match him step per step its a touchdown. Better off not risking it.

by archon095 on Dec 15, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and we moved the ball easily because Rex Ryan suddently abandened his blitzing that was working so well and started rushing three. Although that may be due to Wasington’s injury.

by archon095 on Dec 15, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The steelers have had to replace injured players during the game just like the ravens have all year. If one CB being injured in the 4th quarter is your reason for losing, it’s not a very good one.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hi five to that

We lost one of our best CB’s for like 6 games.

We lost lots of people all year. We won our games. The only injury that honestly cost us a game was when we lost our Long Snapper.

You guys lost on a 92 yard TD drive. Sorry.

by Mechem on Dec 15, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But even still. Our bad for not having a good backup.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea but

I guarantee most teams dont. They do now. Just happens that we were the first to be exposed.

And we HAVE a backup. Problem was our backup does 30 yard snaps not 15 yard snaps.

by Mechem on Dec 15, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot more teams than you’d guess do. The giants did, the ravens do. Hell, the ravens even have a backup FG kicker, though that’s for other reasons…

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It probably depends on your definition of backup. They might have a #2 guy on the roster, but I’d lay good money that they don’t dress, which means your real #2 is somewhere on your O-Line or in your defense or something.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know if you all remember

this denver game a while ago where they tossed an injured player in as bait to make the other team think he was all and well and not throw that way.

We coulda done that

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Dec 15, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Video of the Post-Game News Conference

If you haven’t yet seen, it is worth checking out the post-game news conference on nfl.com (goto videos/teams/steelers).

The last 30 seconds are classic, when Ben says, “On that last play, I looked right, then scrambled left. I thought about running it in til I saw a bunch of purple jerseys. Then I ran back to the right, because, you know, I hold onto the ball too long. And I found Tone in the endzone and threw it to him.” Yes, the media all chuckled with him.

by BoiseSteeler on Dec 15, 2008 1:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

great line

there by ben, and a nice little jab at all those people (some of them frequent commenters on this site) who are haters. look, keep criticizing him. he doesn’t seem to care. he just keeps winning. and his freaking teammates love him.

...die trying
http://www.agentorangerecords.blogspot.com

by agentorange on Dec 15, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Loved that

That was a lovely symbolic middle finger to all his haters. Loved it.

by Mechem on Dec 15, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man did I

Laugh. It was a sarcasm orgasm that Ben had just been waiting to release all year. With that new AFC North Champs hat on he let the underlying “f you” hit all his doubters in the face. They laughed then but you know they all realized they got told off on the drive home. Nice on Ben.

by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 15, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Only he does hold onto the ball too long!!

There is a time to scramble and extend the play and then there is a time to just throw it away. He has to learn to know the difference.

by Jonny B. on Dec 15, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not a BB hater btw. In fact, I’m a big fan. I just wish BB would minimize risk and maximize reward when it comes to his scrambling abilites.

by Jonny B. on Dec 15, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes but...

1. weaker O line than usual
2. injuries to key offensive positions
3. installing new offensive plays for quicker execution took some time (i know that one of the players said in an interview that at the beginning of the year, the hurry-up offense had 7 plays, and now has 70)
4. toughest schedule against really great defenses

and lastly,
5. The entire offense knows that the defense has its back no matter what, which allows the O to play a little riskier

but yes, he does hold on to the ball — frankly my concern with that is that he gets knocked around so much, it may shorten his career if it keeps playing like that in the future…

by BoiseSteeler on Dec 15, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point about playing good defenses

We have played almost all the top defenses. Look how opposing QBs rate against us?

by Jonny B. on Dec 16, 2008 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Aaron Smith doesn't make it to the Pro-Bowl

We should just refer to it as “That creampuff game in Hawaii”

by BallsofSteel on Dec 15, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Anyway someone just gave me this picture

there is about an inch between the ball and the goal line…
I know the games over but the way the game panned out really pissed me off

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Dec 15, 2008 3:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gonna have to do a bit better. This could have been after he caught the ball by two milliseconds after the ball crossed back over the plane. Not to mention the nose of the ball is completely indeterminable in this blurry mess.

In any event, if you haven’t been paying attention on this blog there are a lot of people that question the overturned decision. Go complain somewhere where they are like “BEST TD CATCH EVER! HOLMES IS THE MAN! RAVENS SUCK!” please.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i personally

think the catch was good. I think it crossed the plain. Would I have overturned it? No way. No way you can say there was indisputable proof that that ball crossed the plain. Oh well. I do not believe that one call can make or break a game unless it happens with 0 seconds left on the clock. Just like when they overturned Troy’s Int in the Indy playoff game in ‘05. Was I pissed? Oh hell yeah. But still, our defense let them go the rest of the distance to score and then let them back into the game. This team this year doesn’t seem to care how many quarters they have gone without an opposing holding penalty. They just freaking win games.

Oh, and for those of you who are Ben haters. How long can you keep it up? How many games does he have to win to prove to you? Take a look at the company he keeps as far as fastest to 50 wins…

Victories in first 5 seasons –
Ben Roethlisberger – 50
Otto Graham – 48
Dan Marino – 48
Tom Brady – 48
John Elway – 46

Still think the ‘wins’ stat doesn’t mean anything? You think it’s coincedence that those other guys are HOF’ers?
Hate away, it won’t change the simple fact that Ben Roethlisberger wins games. Period.

by steelerark on Dec 15, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In all fairness

Graham played 12 games seasons, but you are absolutely right. That’s some pretty lofty company right there.

by Jonny B. on Dec 15, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BB did not even start every game, also.

by Jonny B. on Dec 15, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow

I didn’t even think about that. That’s impressive to win that many in 5 12 game seasons.

by steelerark on Dec 15, 2008 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe some were 14 and some 12, but still the same point. Probably a significantly higher winning percentage.

by Jonny B. on Dec 15, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, he’s only winning games this year because the offense isn’t relying on him to do much.

The dominant running game allowed him to only make 40 attempts against the ravens.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Please try to read 52 (T ´7: Ray Lewis) comments on that:

He said: “… they (T STEELERS): TOOK T BALL FOR 92 YARDS, SO IT IS IN U`R SHOULDERS THAT WE LOST THAT GAME, NOT T CEBRAS”, I THINK…ALSO IN THAT CONDITION HE´S RIGHT…..B´CAUSE HE WAS IN T´MIDDLE OF T PLAY, & T BATTLE, SO, I WILL NOT ARGÜE AGAINST THAT, I RECOMMEND U TRY 2 FOLLOW T IDEA, THEY WERE BEATTEN, & THAT´S ALL.

O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.

by YeOldeMexFan on Dec 15, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's where I'm confused

say that the line in the picture is the sideline, and he’s leaning out of bounds, then it’s clearly a touchdown.

So what’s the difference? Does the ball have to cross the goal line during the pass? This pass DID cross the goal line – it was just pulled back out by the receiver. If the ball itself has to be in the endzone when the receiver gains possession, then all fade route touchdowns are illegal, most sideline touchdowns are illegal, and basically any situation where a receiver drags his feet is not a touchdown.

No, obviously, the ball just has to cross the plane at some point during the pass (if the receiver is already in the endzone), and this pass did (about 3 frames before this shot).

Anyway, that’s my thinking.

Still, heartbreaking ending for you Ravens fans, and I would be pissed if I were in your situation.

by PaulMorel on Dec 15, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sideline TDs

The goal line extends to infinity beyond the sidelines. As long as the ball is legally possessed behind the plane of this line, then it is a TD.

The pic above is garbage. It was taken after Tone already tucked the catch. The TD occurred at the very instant he caught the ball, which was before the moment captured.

by JHolmes on Dec 16, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not anymore

Actually this has been changed recently. You must get the ball inside the pylon now.

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 16, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

Here are the 08 changes:
http://national-football-league-nfl.suite101.com/article.cfm/nfl_rule_changes_for_2008

Here are the 07 changes:
http://www.giants.com/news/press_releases/story.asp?story_id=25050

And you can look at the 06 rulebook which I added as a fanshot.

Taken cumulatively, there is no change that crops the plane of the goal line at the sidelines.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 16, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

extension of the body

the ball is an extension of the body if your feet are in the endzone. Chris Carter said it the next day and Mark Madden looked it up and said he is right. However the refs didnt use that in thier explenation.

by black&goldtilldead&cold on Dec 16, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Raven picture

The ball was caught way eariler with Holmes arms fully extended, no bend in the elbows. You are giving us a raven shot.

Back it up about 3 frames.

by Mechem on Dec 15, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Idk in a bunch of the views (video) I saw from overhead his arms were outside the goal line :-/

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Dec 15, 2008 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sour grapes

It was a TD because the official called it a TD. Game over, we win, you lose. The more you complain and bitch, the more you lose.

by JHolmes on Dec 16, 2008 10:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stop!

Your defense let The Steelers drive over 90 yards and you think this call is what beat you? Go look at the rules for a touchdown. Has anyone done that. There are two subsections, one for ground and one for air. The air one says nothing about breaking the plane. Maybe that is why the ref said nothing about breaking the plane.

Anyway, you defense was cracked. If the Steelers had settled for the field goal, they would have beaten you in overtime AGAIN.

I agree with steelguy99 about the timing.

by WyoFan on Dec 15, 2008 3:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry but...

Wrong.

Section 2 Touchdown
Article 1 It is a touchdown (3-38):
(a) when a runner advances from the field of play and the ball touches the opponents’
goal line (plane); or
(b) while inbounds any player catches or recovers a loose ball (3-2-3) on or behind the
opponents’ goal line.
SUPPLEMENTAL NOTES
(1) The ball is automatically dead at the instant of legal player possession on, above,
or behind the opponents’ goal line.
(2) The Referee may award a touchdown when a palpably unfair act deprives the
offended team of one.
(3) For a foul after a touchdown (between downs), see 3-11-2-a and 14-5.
A.R. 11.1 Third-and-goal on B2. Runner A1 goes to the goal line with the ball over the plane of the
goal line. He is tackled and fumbles and the defensive team recovers in the end zone.
R u l i n g : Touchdown. The ball is automatically dead at the instant of legal player
possession on the opponent’s goal line.

There is no separate section for ground vs. air. That’s just nonsense. If the ball crosses the plane of the endzone, extended infinitely up and out (it can break the plane out of bounds on a dive, for example) it is a touchdown. Everything else is not.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

I’m not arguing the call. I never saw a shot that convinced me he didn’t get in. I’m not saying I would have overturned the non-call, but it is what it is and we can tell ourselves we would have won anyway, because we won.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No?

What do you call sections A and B?

by WyoFan on Dec 15, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A is advancing a ball into the endzone.

B is recovering a fumble (“loose ball”) in the endzone.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A pass is never referred to as a loose ball in the handbook.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So

You’re saying that how to score a touchdown by passing is never addressed?

by WyoFan on Dec 15, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Crow sandwich

Chapter 3
Section 2
Article 3 A Loose Ball is a live ball that is not in player possession, i.e., any kick, pass,
or fumble. A loose ball that has not yet struck the ground is In Flight. A loose ball (either
during or after flight) is considered in possession of team (offense) whose player
kicked, passed, or fumbled. It ends when a player secures possession or when down
ends if that is before such possession. (For exception, see 9-1-17-Exc. 3).

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i would interpret this to mean that a pass is a loose ball, because it is not in a player’s possession and has not yet hit the ground.

...die trying
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by agentorange on Dec 15, 2008 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Correct. After I reread it, that’s the conclusion I drew as well.

The interesting bit is where it says “i.e. any kick, pass. or fumble.” As long as a ball is not in possession of a player or out of bounds, it is a loose ball, including a pass in flight.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 16, 2008 9:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Scratch that

I’m actually willing to give you the benefit of the doubt here. There is enough ambiguity in their definition of loose ball that it could actually refer to a pass, meaning that if you catch a pass and you are in the end zone, its a TD, regardless of the position of the ball.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sideline Catches Behind The Goal Line.

If a player can catch a pass with his tiptoes in the front corner of the endzone, leaning over the sideline, without the ball ever breaking the plane, and score a touchdown, then Santonios catch was a touchdown.

by WyoFan on Dec 15, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If the ball does not break the plane, it is not a touchdown. The position of the receiver, provided he is inbounds, is completely irrelevant.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This Too?

I’ve seen the touchdown I described above a number of times over the years, as, I’m sure, have many others.

by WyoFan on Dec 15, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

is his body outside the corner pileon?

Cuz pile-ons have some special rules.

im thinking his body is past that corner pile on

Life is nothing but Beats & Rhymes

by Matchz Malone on Dec 15, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think the pylons have special rules, but by definition, if you touch one, you have crossed the plane of the endzone, based on where they are positioned.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s telling that even with an open NFL rulebook in front of me I couldn’t decipher what’s actually going on. Gotta give the officials credit. This thing, the 05-06 rulebook, is 139 pages of dense legalese that takes a lot of work to digest. I’m no dummy, I have an engineering degree, but there are cases of 3rd and 4th degree interpretations of rules in here that are damn hard to understand.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Extra Mile

But you went above and beyond what most have to know what you are talking about. Well done.

by WyoFan on Dec 15, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I value being right over just about everything else. Ask my girlfriend.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NO WAY!

there is no way you can say that! so many receivers have made great highlight reel quality touchdown receptions by keeping their toes barely in bounds, in the end zone, and reaching their bodies way out of bounds to make the catch. whether they do this in the back of the end zone or way up front leaning over the side has never EVER been a discussion. in all my years of watching football, i have never seen a discussion on one of these catches about whether or not the ball crossed the plane. that has never been the issue. the issue is if the reciever has possession while getting both feet down in the end zone. end of story. i completely agree with WyoFan here.

...die trying
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by agentorange on Dec 15, 2008 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But the vast majority of those balls (99.99%+) break the plane. The plane of the end zone does not end at the sidelines. It extends, theoretically infinitely, but for practical purposes, if a ball makes it past the front chalk of the end zone marker, even if it is way out of bounds, it has “broken the plane”. I think that’s where confusion is coming in.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 16, 2008 9:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just read that 10 times

And I still have no freaking idea what they’re trying to say.

Do they mean the ball has to be on or behind the goal line, or the player has to be on or behind the goal line? It doesn’t explicity say, and from context it appears as though it means the ball, but it could be worded much better.

by JHolmes on Dec 16, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I can break it down.

The rule says there are two ways to score a touchdown.

A. You advance the ball into the end zone. This is the case for a rushing TD. in this case, the ball must break the plane, extended past the sidelines, of the goal line. Imagine an invisible field, standing vertically, on the goal line, that extends all the way to the stands. If you rush the ball, and are inbounds when the ball breaks that field, it is a TD.

B. A little trickier here. Basically, any “loose ball” (including: pass in the air, fumble on the ground, free kick) that is recovered by a PLAYER in the end zone is a touchdown, regardless of the position or location of the ball.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 16, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I see the ambiguity though:

(b) while inbounds any player catches or recovers a loose ball (3-2-3) on or behind the
opponents’ goal line.

It is unclear whether the phrase “on or behind the opponents’ goal line” refers to the PLAYER or the BALL. Poorly written rule, I think.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 16, 2008 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Injury Update

Alright guys, no notable injurys from the Pittsburgh Steelers and Brett Kiesel Is expected to play this week
Also for the Tennesse TItans, Albert Haynesworth has a sprained MCL and will not
play Vs Pittsburgh and Kyle Vanden Bosch will need minor surgery and also will not
play sunday.
This is huge guys, we should win this game!!!:D:D
I think we will get the #1 Seed.
GO PITTSBURGH

by 2005steelers4life on Dec 15, 2008 4:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It will feel a bit cheap if we win with them out though. They better not slack off thinking this game is going to be easy, because it won’t be.

Our O-line needs to stay healthy. They are one injury away from post-season disaster, which is sad considering some people would say it already is a disaster.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cheap?

There are no cheap wins in the NFL.

And if there were, I’d be fine with cheap wins. They count, right? Fine.

No Haynesworth, no vandenBosch is not going to cripple a 12-2 team. And if it does, they were pretenders, not contenders. Each and every team in the NFL has injury problems in the course of the season, and it is your depth, as much as anything else, that proves your team worthy.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

It will hurt them no doubt. Having a steaming pile of dirty player in the middle of your line is great.

But hey, if they cant fill the fat void then their loss. We can replace Hampton with Hoke and still win. We can replace Keisel with 40 year olds and win. We can replace our QB!!! and win.

We basically have a backup team greater than the lower teams like Seattle or Detroit.

by Mechem on Dec 15, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with you in principle.

People still mention A. Smith being out though last year as the primary reason we lost games down the stretch and to the titans.

I’m just saying.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats not quite the point I was making. Last year I would say we were not legit contenders, partially because of that, but there were other reasons as well. The D was not as good as a whole, the secondary was giving up more and bigger plays, the line was letting more backs get to the second level.

If we had wanted to be contenders, we needed more depth, better coaching, fewer injuries. Thankfully, we got those this year.

If Tennessee wants to prove they are legit, they’ve got to win on Sunday, with or without dirty-ass fatties clogging the middle.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What’s funny is that our D-line depth hasn’t really improved. I mean, we got orpheus, but…

I still agree that every team needs to overcome their injuries though, no matter what they are or who to. The patriots win still felt amazing this year even without brady, but it would have been sweeter against brady for sure.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno

Oh, I’d say we’re better off in the secondary. We still need a real back-up for Troy, but we’ve got depth in the secondary and our back-up LBs are also looking good.

by Varmint on Dec 15, 2008 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anthony Smith

Can be a back-up for 43. As long as he doesn’t have to worry about playing over the top in coverage he’s actually a pretty good player. Unfortunately safeties have to do that every now and again.

by JHolmes on Dec 16, 2008 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Coverage

Where does this idea that Anthony Smith can’t cover from? He was only the starting free safety for the number 3 passing defense last year – a passing defense that didn’t have the benefit of a great pass rush. Even in the first seven games, he was playing free safety for a third of the plays. Then Ryan Clark got hurt, and the pass defense improved statistically (if you compare the opponent’s performance against the Steelers with their season average.)

He got burned by Randy Moss. If that’s the standard, then there are very few guys in this league who can play over the top in coverage, including Ryan Clark.

by buddytoledo on Dec 16, 2008 6:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually think our depth has gotten better through advancement, less so than acquisition. Kirschke and Eason look a lot stronger this year than last, to my eyes. We knew from last year that Hoke was a beast.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s just interesting that our depth has really come from the same guys getting better. Our secondary backups were all around last year. We haven’t had to see our safety backups improvement that much, thankfully. The D-line has really stepped up. The D-line needs more depth, because the guys stepping up are already old.

The offense lacks those up-and-coming guys, largely because they can’t play special teams. We have future LBs, safeties, and CBs waiting in the ranks because they can hit people hard on special teams. On offense, who do we legitimately have waiting…? RBs, Sweed, Dixon…?

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 6:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More and bigger plays?! All 4 of them?

The difference between the amount of big plays this year and last year is basically that we played one of the best passing teams of all time last year; this year, Moss couldn’t hold onto the ball when he toasted Clark.

That and there is no way that a quarterback is passing 46 times on us this year without being touched.

Losing Aaron Smith was huge, and our lack of depth prevented us from being a Super Bowl-caliber team. We gave up 200 yards in rushing to the Jags. This year, with Hoke and Kirschke stepping up, I think we could survive a loss on the d-line.

by buddytoledo on Dec 15, 2008 6:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take a cheap one

After the past 8 weeks, a cheap easy win would be great. I’m sick of using the AED on myself after every damn game.

by JHolmes on Dec 16, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Schedule difficulty

Random question here: does anybody know what our schedule difficulty is this year? With team records of this year…

by steelersfan86 on Dec 15, 2008 5:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

As near as I can figure

Our opponents record is a combined 97-94-3. Don’t forget, however, that this figure is skewed given our 11-3 record and we played the 2-11-1 Bungles twice. Also, next week it will go up even more after we play Tennessee

by Jonny B. on Dec 15, 2008 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well the combined records of the teams we’ve played so far is 98-93-3, or 51.3%.

Plus the Titans and the Clowns again thats 114-104-3, or 52.2%.

I have no idea where this ranks, but before the season started, I read a Peter King piece that claimed our schedule had a winning percentage from last year of (I think) 56% and hs said that was the toughest he had ever seen.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.theredzone.org/strength.asp

Our original strength of schedule was 59.8%. That is a grand total of 17 (!!!) more wins than we have played against so far. Of course, if the Browns and Bengals had each gone 7-7 up to this point (hahahahahaha), that would be 17 wins right there.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 15, 2008 6:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The browns won the AFC north, didn’t you get that TPS report in august?

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

They would kill for a division title trophy. For us, it’s just another dust collector. Next year, Baltimore will probably be the trendy choice., but I guess “thats’ why they play the games!”

by Jonny B. on Dec 15, 2008 6:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW Blitz

I’ve had the song ‘thriller’ stuck in my head all day. Thanks for that.

by steelguy99 on Dec 15, 2008 6:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ok so hear me out

I think he just feels bad for us because the NFL absolutely despises the Ravens and never wants to see them victorious. The headsets that the refs put on during challenges in Ravens games actually go to a bright red phone where ever Roger Goodell is, and he immediately tells them to make the call against the Ravens, no matter what. And you all know that if it was the Ravens in that situation, the ball would have been placed on the inch yard line.

From Suggs getting a roughing the passer call because his hand hit Collins on the shoulder, while being blocked by a lineman, while trying to sack the QB, while trying to swat the ball TO someone not having the ball cross the goal line and its a td. Look at it from this way….

Ok, so lets say Holmes trips and is laying on his stomach, with both his tips of his toes, and only them, on the other side of the goal line, and he miraculously makes an amazing catch on his stomach with only his feet in the endzone, then gets touched by Reed and is down by contact before having the chance to get up and advance the ball past the goal line . Would that be a td? I sure as hell do not think it would.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 15, 2008 6:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I totally understand… Do you feel better now?

by steelersfan86 on Dec 15, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very much : )

You have to hate losing more than you love winning

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 15, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Most teams will make this claim

Lord knows here we complain about the fact that we’ve gone 23 quarters without a hold called against opposing offenses.

I agree that it probably shouldn’t have been over-turned. But it’s not a blatantly wrong call. The steelers have had many blatantly wrong calls against them the last 3 years. From Troy’s interception versus the colts, Troy’s touchdown against SD this year, Harrison held on Garrad’s run in the playoffs.

I’m not intending to say we’ve got it worse, but (well maybe i am ;) simply saying I believe Holmes was in. The ref shouldn’t have changed the call on the field, but there have been much bigger mistakes this year. (Paging Ed Hochuli)

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 15, 2008 7:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah. agree.

    That call should never have been overturned. If it would have been ruled a TD on the field, same thing. It just wasn’t “conclusive” enough. That being said, I’ll take it. We got hosed plenty this year.

by Jonny B. on Dec 15, 2008 7:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

it would be. the way i understand the rule, on a pass (a loose ball) it is the player who needs to be in the end zone, not the ball.

look at it another way. say that a receiver is standing with his toes just inside the end zone as you described, but the pass doesn’t come right at him towards the goal line, but to the side, over the out of bounds line. and let’s say that the receiver stretches out and makes a miraculous catch of a ball along the sideline, even though the ball never crosses the goalline. would everyone in america know, without question, that this is a touchdown? yes. of course they would. the same rule applies. there is no distinction in the rulebook AT ALL. the rule is that the player needs to be in the end zone with possession and with both feet down. that’s it.

and so the answer to your question is, yes. it should be ruled a touchdown.

...die trying
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by agentorange on Dec 16, 2008 8:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I mentioned in another thread, the plane of the goal line is not bounded by the sidelines. It stretches out past the sidelines, so that ball, caught out of the field of play, but with feet inbounds, has broken the plane of the endzone.

Thats actually why they refer to it as a “plane.” Geometrically speaking, a plane has 2 dimensions and no bounds.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 16, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

According to the letter of the rules

The situation you describe is a touchdown. Say you had a theoretical receiver, 20 ft tall with an armspan of 25 ft. If he could stand in the endzone, and catch a ball at the 5 yard line with his hands, by the letter of the NFL rulebook (the copy I have is from the 06 season) says that is a touchdown. A “loose ball” (which by their definition includes all kicks and passes) does not need to advance past the goal line, as long as it is recovered by a player in the end zone.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Dec 16, 2008 9:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

still doesnt mean we get a free win next week… it’ll still be a hell of a game! We just have a tiny advantage over them now, but as we have dealt with various injuries on our team, they will have to as well…

by steelersfan86 on Dec 16, 2008 11:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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