If not Arians, then who?
I think that we can all agree that the offensive production this seasons has been disappointing - we would all like to see better results - the question is how that may best be achieved. Many seem to think firing the offensive coordinator is best and only way to improve the offense. Fine. Who then would you hire?
Firing the coach/coordinator out of anger and frustration not a plan for moving forward. It might be how they do things in other cities in other organizations (Dan Snyder I am looking at you) but it ain't how things are done in Pittsburgh by this organization.
So, this is a call to all of those who would like to see Bruce Arians take a long hike off of a short bridge: If not Arians, then who?
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I said we should hire Cam Cameron the second he got fired by Miami. Actually, I said we should hire him when the Dolphins were 0-11. I’d take Norv Turner when he gets fired, although San Fran is going to grab him while we’re still in the playoffs. I would have been fine with dumping Arians and hiring Kiffin half way through the season, too.
Also, Arians is possibly the worst OC in the league right now. He’s safely in the bottom 5. Firing a decent coach without a great replacement in mind (speaking of San Diego) doesn’t make sense, but firing a bad one does. There are plenty of up and coming college OC’s or NFL assistants that we will have never heard of. I’d just take resumes and find someone with a decent track record (aka not Arians) and a decent plan for our offense, building around the players we already have (aka not Arians). We have a good QB and a horribly underachieving offense!! This job screams “quick turnaround and HC opportunities”!! If I were an offensive mind looking for a big chance, this would be on the very top of my list. We should have loads of candidates who are more qualified than Arians.
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by BadMaafala on Dec 18, 2008 5:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
somewhat off subject...
but I’m excited to see what Charlie Batch is going to be doing after his playing days are over, which they may be as of now. I see Batch as being a very solid prospect OC-wise in the next couple of years. No one knows our offense better than Batch (Arians included), he knows our offensive personnel, and he’s an intelligent guy who’s a good mentor (as evidenced by Ben’s progression). I’m not saying he’s ready now, but I think the Steelers would be wise to hold on to Batch as some sort of coach once he’s done playing, and possibly allow him to develop into an OC, or qb’s coach.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 18, 2008 6:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To That Point...
Maybe Ken Anderson would upgrade to our OC, then Chuck would be our QBs coach.
by Hines Ward on Dec 18, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
possibly
I’m not too familiar with Anderson, other than I know he’s our qb coach. Was he our qb coach last year, or was this his first year?
by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 18, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was here last year, as well. He was one of the first Tomlin hires, in fact.
by Hines Ward on Dec 18, 2008 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ken Anderson...
Deserves a shot at OC. He was one of the first guys that Bill Walsh had at qb, back in the day. Walsh knew a little bit about qb’s, especially in terms of football smarts. The only drawback to him as OC is I think he is a west coast offense guy. I think it would work for us down the road. But we are not a west coast team philosophically (although Mewelde Moore has all the talent to be a GREAT west coast back, I think. Hands and vision, plus a good blocker). He deserves a shot. Does anyone know the name of our QB coach before him? I believe he is in Philly now. Ben loved him. Maybe he deserves an interview, at least.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 19, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was a good QB back in the day.
The Bungles were actually good then.
by Jonny B. on Dec 19, 2008 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Billick
What do you guys think?
I double he’d ever agree, but I think he’d be a good fit.
by sn0wballz on Dec 18, 2008 7:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
not a bad idea but...
The guy is too headstrong. He has the right strategy but he’d be too pigheaded to get it right.
To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)
Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Dec 18, 2008 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I no this is never gonna happen but...
How bout offering a big deal to Bill Cower and having him be our OC… I’d doubt he’d want to anything but head coach, and he’s more of a defensive coach but….hey Christmas is just around the corner!
To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)
Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Dec 18, 2008 7:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
know
i meant to put in the title above
To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)
Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Dec 19, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty Of Candidates
I’m with Bad 45 on Cameron. He knows that was my guy last year too. 45 talks about up and comers and I’ve always suggested USC guru Steve Sarkasian. The guy learned at Norm Chow’s lap and was just hired as UW Head Coach.
Also suggested Billick on this same post during the Baltimore week. Some BrownRaven fans were busting on the suggestion but I think he’s an upgrade over BA.
Don’t like Ken Anderson. Liked the guy before him that we let go named Mark Whipple. I thought he did a great job with Ben in 04 and 05.
I would NEVER want Bill Cowher as an offensive coordinator. While I like his smashmouth style he is too timid in the big game. It was Whiz who helped keep the Steelers O fresh while being able to sit on a lead and milk the clock over the final 30 minutes. Also liked Ron Ehrhardt an early Cowher OC but hated most of the Steelers OC since dawn of time. Especially Chan Gailey who cost Cowher a trip to SB in 97 having Kordell throw instead of a young Bus run. Kordell 3 picks in that game. Bettis 21-120 in that game. What would Bussie have done with 30 carries?
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Dec 18, 2008 8:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sark...
I live out in SoCal and watch pretty much every USC game. Sark is not a very good OC. His offense has no identity and his play calling is the main reason they lost to Oregon St. Many USC fans were happy/shocked that he got the UW job.
by _ET_ on Dec 19, 2008 3:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hear ya ET. But lots of alum I know dig Sark. He does run the top NCAA offense year in and year out that loses about a game every 2 seasons.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Dec 19, 2008 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a big USC fan, and like OSU, I worry that the hype gets in the way of actual talent. Look at Leinart and Bush. I don’t know why exactly, but I have a slightly uneasy feeling about hiring a coach from there.
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by BadMaafala on Dec 19, 2008 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i really dont know much about coaches
but if romeo carnnel gets fired maybe we get him as an OC
i mean the browns offense was 8th last year, and i think that ben has much much more talent that derek anderson
by tha1andonly57@aim.com on Dec 18, 2008 9:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Chance
Crennel’s specialty is defense, in spite of what you might have seen recently from the Browns.
by Hines Ward on Dec 18, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No way
BA came from the Browns. Nothing good every comes from Cleveland.
by sn0wballz on Dec 19, 2008 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I know he only played there two of his four years, but I think he coached a little there too. Bill Cowher. But other than him, yeah, nothing good ever comes from Cleveland.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 19, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heres a crazy one
Assuming he gets fired, how about Marinelli (spelling?), the Lions coach?
I really don’t know jack about him but its just a thought. And don’t be driven away by the fact his team is about to go 0-16, I mean Cam Cameron’s went 1-15 before he became the Ravens OC and look what hes doing.
From what I can gather he likes to run the ball but doesn’t have the necessary equipment in Detriot.
Just an idea.
by shleeve on Dec 18, 2008 10:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Marinelli (sp?) was a Dline coach in Tampa bf being the Lion Head coach.
by _ET_ on Dec 19, 2008 3:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm!
Steve Mariucci?
by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Dec 18, 2008 10:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
IF we get rid on Arians
and there’s no guarantee, or even hint yet, that we will…we should focus on finding a candidate who is a power running/run first play caller. With our defense being as dominating as it is, if we could control the TOP each game by consistently rushing for 120+ ypg, then we’d be playing in mid-late January perennially.
Run the ball and stop the run. That’s what this organization is all about, and we need an OC who will keep up the offensive side of the bargain.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 19, 2008 12:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Power running/run first guy.......
How about Russ Grimm??? I don’t know if he’d take an coordinator job considering that he’s an assistant head coach with Arizona but he’s certainly a ‘running’ coach and he’s got Pittsburgh ties. He’d be one of the guys on the top of my list if we’re looking for a new OC.
by cgolden on Dec 19, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he left Pittsburgh in the best of terms. Does he have any playcalling experience? He always just seemed like a tough guy, OL technician, and a motivator to me. Personally I’d like to go with someone with a little more creativity. For one, we can’t just run the ball constantly and expect our defense to be this good every year. This year, we need to focus on not losing games on offense. That’s not a strategy for moving forward, though. We have a premier player at the most important position in the sport, and we’re paying him accordingly.
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by BadMaafala on Dec 19, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Before we get rid of Arians.....
I think the the Offensive Line coach should go (Zerlien right?) and we should pick up at least one more quality lineman.
Now if Arians can’t work with that then he should go.
by shleeve on Dec 19, 2008 12:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hate to tell you guys
but Arians is not the whole problem. This offense would be just fine with a better O-line. This year it just looks bad because of no running game. If our line were better, we could run the ball and set up play action to our skill position players. I agree that Zerlien has to go. Whatever his philosophy is just simply sucks. Our lineman don`t get physically beat. They stand there looking the other way while a linebacker runs right by. The idea of hiring Cam Cameron is kinda stupid to me. Since when is he so spectacular? He has done a pretty good job with the Ravens but i was not impressed by his “stellar” game plan against us.
Arians is not an offensive mastermind but i don`t think he can be blamed for our stagnant offense. Ben has been hurt this year, so has Willie, so has a good bit of our already mediocre line. So how can you expect greatness with the schedule we have had to endure?
by SteelerDomination on Dec 19, 2008 4:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Zeirlien works for Arians and was hired by him. They are Cleve Brownie cronies and have same philosophy, that’s why he follows BA around.
Agree, the Offense would be better with more talent on OL. Think they need more talent in the OC office as well.
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by 5020 on Dec 19, 2008 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree that Arians is not the whole problem, but I don’t see anyone suggesting that above. We have talented, but incomple personnel on offense and one of the worst OC’s in football. Cam Cameron did not have a good game against us, but he has a long track record of success. Look at how the Chargers offense dropped off when he went to Miami – and that was with a offensive minded HC. The Ravens offense is one of the least talented groups in the league, but he has them being effective and complementing the defense. Overall he’s a very good coordinator
I talked about this in another thread, but I also think Arians is misusing his personnel, which is causing them to look worse than they are. For example, Chris Kemoeatu is a decent mauling man-on-man blocker, but Arians is running a POS zone blocking scheme, which Kemo is abismal at. Is it Kemo’s fault he can’t play zone? Would you blame Dwight Howard if he wasn’t good at point guard? Another example: Arians has us running most of the time out of 2 TE sets when BOTH of our TE’s are better at catching than blocking. Meanwhile, Miller stay in and blocks on a lot of passing downs when he’s one of our biggest threats on offense. Our OL needs the help, but if he’s just going to block, put Essex or McHugh in there.
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by BadMaafala on Dec 19, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McHugh didn’t exactly look terrible catching balls out of the backfield either last week…Miller might have caught the incomplete, but it was a bad pass. I’d like to see McHugh in there, but I have no idea if he can actually pass block. We only put him in there so far to lead the way, not sure how he’d do blocking “in place”.
by steelguy99 on Dec 19, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me pull a name out that you may not know but will sooner or later
G.A. Mangus Offensive Coordinator of Middle Tennessee State. I would really love to see him come in and be a QB coach if Anderson moves up or out.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Dec 19, 2008 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't know who, but...
the way this year is going, with us getting to the playoffs and such…does anyone see the coach/franchise actually making that call to pull Arians/Zeirline? I just don’t see an abrupt change coming from this situation – even if we don’t go to the SB.
I reckon they will give this bunch at least another year with (hopefully) some new and improved linemen and better seasoned new guys (Stapleton/Kemo).
I just doubt that with the success that the team has – even though the Offense gives us heart trouble every Sunday- that we’ll see a change to run oriented OC.
by SCSteeler on Dec 19, 2008 11:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t be surprised if Arians sticks around. I don’t know how you can give Z a pass though.
by steelguy99 on Dec 19, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tomlin subtley called out Arians earlier in the year, and the offense has not substantially improved. Barring a huge offensive explosion over multiple games to close out the year, I think he’s gone. I have no idea about Z. I think a lot depends on the new OC and his system.
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by BadMaafala on Dec 19, 2008 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget
Last year with a good O-Line Ariens looked like a genious. I know that was last year and this is this year, but he broke Steelers records for offense. And we are a patient team when it comes to coaches. Which is a good thing, it got us to where we are. If we fire coaches after a bad year we’d be no better than the Redskins. Changing coaches is not always the answer. It’s personnel and getting back to what we do best that will turn the offense around.
Does anybody really think that a change in the staff would make our team that much better? We would still have FAT Willie (Colon) getting holding calls left and right, and porous blocking across the board. We need some better guys up front, and if next years offense is as ugly as this years, then the change will be made. Do I want this offense again next year? NO. But give Ariens a shot with some better talent on the line. Maybe we should really be looking at changing the O-Line coach.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 19, 2008 1:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
True dat
I tend to think that execution needs to be fixed before strategies are changed. I don’t think we’re incapable of playing the way Arians wants us to. We’re just not well-versed in it. Big Ben wasn’t practicing for half the season. FWP was injured for a long stint. Moore was brought in pretty much from nowhere. You cannot introduce a new playbook without giving the skill players a chance to practice them.
I’m not saying I like Arians. But I do think he got caught between a rock and hard place, this season.
by Varmint on Dec 19, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who thought Arians was a genious last year? He was AWFUL at playcalling last year. This was our identity: run into the line twice, then have Ben break 3 tackles and throw downfield after the DB’s lose their guys. That was Arians’ “genious”. We were incredibly inconsistent as a result of the backyard ball offense, despite having the second best rated passer in the league.
It was clear to some of us that he was not the answer last year even though the stats were “good” against one of the easiest schedules in Steelers history. This year, he’s faced better defenses and the glaring problems on offense are being shown. Sometimes we can beat up on lesser defenses, but we self destruct against good defenses or good coordinators. We need an offense that can beat good defenses, or at least hold it’s own.
I agree that there are other problems on offense, by the way. Our WR’s struggle against man coverage and can’t catch the ball. Our TE’s are terrible blockers (hmm, maybe we should run out of the 2 TE sets more), and our OL is a mish-mash of guys playing out of position or in the wrong scheme. I just think that we need to develop an identity on offense (run first or pass first?) and draft/sign core players around that identity. If we’re going to be a run and shoot offense, lets draft some guys who can pass block instead of 5 Alan Faneca’s. If we’re going to be a running team, where’s the fin FB and blocking TE’s? Arians has shown over the 2 years he’s been here that he has no grand plan for our offense, and we need one.
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by BadMaafala on Dec 19, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with NY and varmint
BA isn’t going anywhere. Coach T. likes him and Ben likes him and really those are the only two that matter.
If any changes are made I would like to see a young, energetic (similar to Tomlin) OLine coach.
by SteelerMike on Dec 19, 2008 2:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love Ken Anderson. He was the original QB of the “West-Coast” offense, designed by a young OC Bill Walsh at Cinci before getting a chance to try a HC gig at San Francisco. The first small-ball, short-pass possession offense, and Kenny was completing 65 to 75% of his passes at a time when the league average was right around 50%.
But his only OC experience is at Cinci (ironically it was during LeBaeu’s tenure as HC).
I don’t think BA has done a particularly terrible job. There have been numerous failures in both protection and execution that make him look a lot worse than his playbook. The primary objectives should be getting more production from the O-line, getting an O-line coach who can build & coach an effective unit, and successfully running the ball.
Dave DeGuglielmo has had a ton of success running the O-line with the Giants since 04, and might be ready for a change. Also Hudson Houck just rejoined the Cowboys this year (after working with them from 93 to 01) and has had dominant O-lines in all of those years … we can also assume that there might be some coaching changes in big-D after this year & HH might be interested in a new gig as well. I really don’t know what the chances are of even talking to either of these two, but they both coach two of the better O-lines out there and might be worth looking into. There’s also Dante Scarnecchia of New England, but he might be a NE lifer … there from 82 to 88, and again from 91 through the present.
My opinion is to give BA another year with a new O-line coach and some fresh bodies on the line as well. If he can’t get it done then, well he had his chance…
by Fahey on Dec 19, 2008 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
Personally I’d love Cam Cameron. Fun name, smart guy…
But honestly I do agree I think we need to try to give the team more time to gel. First year with this O-line setup without Faneca. And they need time to get settled with eachother.
If next year you add/change some line-man, its going to be even tougher to adopt a new scheme. They need to just fix the parts. I dont think Arians is the cause of all the problems.
I will say he sucks at rebounding when we get down. He needs to be able to make better (or at least any) adjustments.
by Mechem on Dec 19, 2008 7:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Give Arians One More Year
Maybe hire a new O-Line coordinator, and draft some o-lineman early. Maybe also find a real fullback. Sometimes I am frustrated with Arians play calling (philly game comes to mind), but shitty execution can’t all be blamed on him. It seems like lots of dropped passes this year have prevented us from extending drives on offense.
Also, play action has practically been removed this year because we can’t run at all. I’m really hoping Mendenhall develops into a stud for us, because I’m not sure how much gas FWP has left in the tank. We’ll see, and I hope I’m wrong about that. Mewelde has been awesome for us this year, but is not the style running back we need on 1st and 2nd down. If we could just get back to running the ball more effectively, play action would be back and so would our offensive production, IMO. Get a real fullback and draft a run-blocking tackle early in the draft and hopefully our running game will eventually be back to what it once was. A new o-line coordinator should come before a new offensive coordinator.
by RoethlisCrosby on Dec 20, 2008 3:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Simply get a good COACH
I don’t like the current OC simply because he does not do his job well. That is COORDINATE an offense. I don’t care about play calling. I trust their scouting reports and such. It is the number of off side penalties, illegal formations, missed blocks, wrong routs…that drive me crazy. In addition to that I don’t like the style of the run game. Too much emphasis on zone scheme. I would prefer a balance of zone and gap blocking scheme (with a full back).
They don’t need a big name guy. Just a good coach who is a good teacher and pays attention to detail and can get the team to execute at a consistantly high level.
Tomlin will determine the type of offense he wants.
by Steelers fan in Boston on Dec 20, 2008 10:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Couple prospects
I noticed today NFL.com threw up a post about 10 potential head coaches for next year. All of them save for one are currently OC’s or DC’s.
I personally would love to see Josh McDaniels (patriots), or Jeff Davidson (panthers) OC come our way.
Personally I think the panthers offense is great for what we do. Very balanced, but with a good O-line mentality and solid rushing attack. Receivers dont HAVE to be huge play threats, but rather just have solid hands like Hines Ward.
by Mechem on Dec 20, 2008 12:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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