Turnover Battle Costs Pittsburgh Chance At Homefield Advantage Throughout
Some more thoughts on the Steelers 31-14 loss to the Titans in Nashville:
* First of all, congratulations to James Harrison for setting the Steelers single season sack record with 16. He deserves some time off next week to rest up that beat up hip. Even though he may want to go head hunting against Cleveland, I hope he sits out and gets ready for the playoffs.
* The streak of quarters without an offensive holding penalty called against an opponent comes to an end in the 2nd half. We got a few other holding calls on special teams, but eventually the streak did come to a halt. If our defense is in fact starting to wear down a bit, we'll need the refs to continue to call a more fair game. It's remarkable really that our defense was able to avoid so much trouble this year without opposing offenses being in 1st and 2nd and 20 type situations frequently at all.
* Lendale White is kind of a thug and a prima dona. But that's not really news, so I'll just leave it at that with regards to his desecrating a Terrible Towel. Football's entertainment so let's not incidentally embarrass ourselves by making a bigger deal out of it than it really is, but at the same time, that's Lendale White for you. Complaining when not getting carries; disrespecting opponents and traditions when times are good. Karma's a bitch! Color me eager to get another crack at them when we're not still dizzy from a 12 round prize fight with the NFL's better teams.
*It's funny how a team that just completed one of the most difficult 9 game stretches imaginable (starting with NYG game) could be so thoroughly ridiculed by a chunk of such a successful team's fanbase. Sickening. Want to know what the combined record of our opponents has been in those past 9 games? 83-49. All but one game has been against a playoff contending team. New York Giants, Washington, Indianapolis, San Diego, New England, Dallas, Baltimore, Tennessee all were huge games. What's even crazier is the last three games have really been high stakes, with two of them being road games. That's a lot of physical and emotional toll for a team to endure, only to have to travel again to take on a Tennessee team that was A) angry after losing to a mediocre Houston team the week before B) has not played in any gut wrenching emotionally draining games recently, and definitely not any 2-4 week stretches of all tough games. Tennessee's opponents records in the past 9 games is 52-80. They had the division clinched weeks ago, but even still, their past three opponents have been absolute cupcakes - Houston, Detroit, Cleveland. They were the more fresh team as a result.
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We have a chance to recharge our batteries starting next week in Cleveland. I think Ben Roethlisberger should play at least a half, to get a chance to make some good decisions and throws against a terrible Browns secondary. But generally speaking, we can now get into full rest mode. We need it. The team has earned it. They've fought so valiantly, scratched and clawed for every inch so tirelessly, and overcame some early season demons by winning a number of tough close games down the stretch. We paid the emotional and physical toll for that impressive streak today.
Guys like Polamalu were a step slow; same with Harrison, Woodley, Farrior, Aaron Smith, Big Snack, Foote, and Ryan Clark. They didn't play poorly. Any statement that Ryan Clark had a horrible game is erroneous. DId you see the Cowboys Ken Hamlin against Baltimore? That's horrible safety play. Clark and his running mates didn't make any huge mistakes or miss any assignments drastically. We were just doing a lot of reacting and absorbing of contact from Tennessee's offense. It's usually the other way around. The Titans though had the upper hand thanks to smart play calling early, and physical tough running late when they had us on the ropes. We'll get back up from this stumble. We have before.
Moving on to some other thoughts, but seriously, if you've ever played sports...hell, if you've ever taken final exams, finished a big deliverable for work, sold a house and moved, or countless other exhausting projects that take lots of hard work and energy over the course of several days, weeks, or months..then you know that there's peaks and valleys in human performance. It's just nearly impossible to maintain that 'edge' each and every week, even in activities that are far less violent and physically taxing as football. Teams like San Diego, Miami, New England, and Baltimore - they are still on the clock expending maximum energy to make the playoffs. All have huge games next week, and none will have a BYE in the opening round. When one of them makes their way to us most likely in Round 2, they will be dealing with many of the fatigue issues we dealt with today, while we'll be fresh as can be with no major setbacks in the injury department.
* Lost in all the hysteria of the loss seems to be any recognition of the passing game having its best game of the year. The 331 yards were a season high for Ben Roethlisberger. My gut told me that we were going to have great success moving the ball against this Titans team through the air. We definitely did, starting on that nice pitch and catch to Hines Ward that put us inside their red zone. Willie Parker's best run of the game got us even closer, then the Ben fumble. As I wrote in my last post, Tennessee then inhaled a big chunk of yardage and time off the clock.
* It really is funny. All of the 'life-long' fans that come out of the wood works after a road loss - the Steelers only 2nd road loss of the year in 2008 - to claim how broken everything is. What's most pathetic though is the folks who are ready to bench Ben Roethlisberger or give up on him in any way shape or form. One week after a 92 yard TD drive to win a division title on the road. I read comments that Ben can't ever be trusted in big situations. Haha. No comment, I guess. Ben still has development to make, and I think we'd be best served starting fresh next year with a new offensive coordinator while Ben is still a few years short of his physical prime.
* Seriously, if you have that little emotional stability or inability to analyze things both in the immediate and in the bigger picture, than I really feel sorry for you. It must suck to be so up and down with your thoughts and emotions in life. Get well, please.
That said, protecting the ball is priority #1 for Ben Roethlisberger. This was hammered home to him after the disappointing Indianapolis loss. To all those with selective memories, this was his first INT since the NE game, and only 2nd since the Indy game. He had thrown something like 131 passes without being picked, and you're right if you think that the diminished INTs this past 5 weeks was a huge factor in why we got hot. In the 5 Ws, Ben was 104/177 (59%), 1180 yards, 5 TDs, 1 INT. That's perfectly reasonable ball protection, and a good sign that Ben does have it in him to go long stretches without making mistakes with the ball.
* Where there does seem to be a repetitive problem is with fumbles. Ben fumbled in the Dallas and Baltimore game, then fumbled 4 times Sunday, losing two of them. The first fumble, as painful as it was for our chances in this game, I can live with. Ben was trying to make a play, sacrificing his body in the process. The other fumbles were harder to swallow. Obviously this will be a point of emphasis for Ben moving forward.
* One of the ways he can help his cause is by simply releasing the ball to his checkdown option when he has made it there in his progressions. In a typical play, Ben will have a primary option, or a couple of options based on a read he has to make. Then he goes to option #2 and or #3. By the time he's made it to his checkdown option, it's time to get rid of it. Today though, he actually had so much time on certain plays that he got tempted into abandoning his checkdown option, pump faking, then looking greedily back over the middle of the field for new developments. Just let it go, Ben.
I think it's important to remember if you're feeling antsy about Ben's development five years into his professional career: Peyton Manning, the greatest QB to ever play the game in my opinion, still had problems with these same things even a year or two after where Ben is at right now (age 26). It is amazingly difficult to play QB in this league, even for the most well groomed, gifted and intelligent of QBs. In fact, Manning had 42 INTs in the two seasons that he was ages 25 and 26. At one point though, including in the playoffs, Manning decided to be smarter with the ball, not force as many things, and just give what's taken to him. He's brilliant at this now; same with Brady. Hell, even top flight QBs like Drew Brees struggle in this department. It's very tough finding the right balance of consistent discipline and timely risk taking. Ben does well at both at times. Sometimes even well at both at the same time for stretches. But it's still a work in progress. And that's ok.
One last thing about other QBs - I've heard some talk about Ben and his contract. True. The highest paid player deserves to be held to a very high standard. No doubt about it. There are two other QBs who recently signed mega extensions in the ballpark of Ben's deal - Tony Romo and David Garrard. Tony Romo as we all know, cost Dallas bigtime against us and again for 3 quarters of the Baltimore game Saturday. David Garrard...well, I don't even know what David Garrard has been up to this year, but it has entailed lots of losing and is certainly not worthy of that fat paycheck he's getting. Those two guys will also be ok, though, and that's my point. Perspective.
Here's the deal though y'all in my opinion, and please try to actually get your emotions in gear if you're still fuming at the offense enough to hear me out: the only way that Ben can even make those types of mistakes is if the offense is actually clicking. What do I mean by that? Well, think back to some of the uglier offensive games we've had where Ben has had decent, but not great games. The Dallas game might even be classified as closer to a poor game outside of his willingness to throw the ball away that day and not make a costly error. But in those games, there was very little offensive continuity for prolonged periods of the game like there were against the Titans. The 2nd Bengals game wasn't very pretty, and might have been even closer had Ben made a mistake with the ball. And the 1st Browns game. Same with the Ravens game. It was tough sledding all day, but Ben picked his spots and didn't give the opposition anything cheap. We won last week because Ben didn't make the mistakes Flacco did.
Sunday though, Ben got a bit greedy. He tried to do a bit too much, I thought. Coming off his wide open checkdown options on multiple occasions confirmed that for me. It's also worth pointing out that all 4 of Ben's fumbles came on 3rd downs. To me, that tells me he just tried to make too much happen, not wanting to come off the field. And like I said, I get that - we were moving the ball more efficiently than we had for most of the season. The 5.4 yards per play were much better than the 4.8 yards per play we allowed against Indianapolis. That again just tells you how small the margin for error is in these games amongst top teams.
* Lost in all the hysteria of the loss is this statistic as well:
Tennessee Titans - 3/14 on 3rd Down (21%); 323 Total Yards; 0 Turnovers
Pittsburgh Steelers - 6/13 on 3rd Down (46%); 374 Total Yards; 4 Turnovers
* Mistakes: 1) 17 points off of turnovers for Tennessee 2) 3 blown points by Jeff Reed 3) 4 free points for Tennessee when we messed around with their signals on the FG attempt.
The bottom line is the better team won today. But it's funny how some want to throw every last person under the bus when really, two simple plays (the Reed FG and the dumb penalty) kept this game from being a 1 possession game instead of 2 with about 3 minutes left. And that's before even mentioning ANY of the turnovers, including one on the goal line that's a guaranteed 3 points minimum. So yeah, we got beat by a more physical determined team today that protected the ball better. But even so, we were right there because of some of the successful things we were doing offensively, thanks to Roethlisberger.
* Isn't amazing how Heath Miller makes an impact when he gets balls thrown his way. The Titans were stuffing the box most of the day, and Miller was able to slip free for short but effective catches throughout the game. His 8 catches were a career high.
* Now may be a good time to talk about the running game, as I saw a number of y'all discussing Heath Miller's ability as a blocker. We don't have a running game. There's not much to talk about. I have more thoughtful insight as to why our running plays are so ineffective, but I think it's a combination of 1) play design and play calling and 2) personnel. Thus, no one person deserves all the blame if you ask me. I think Sean McHugh has played admirably, but he's not the answer as a lead blocker. Willie Parker still seems a bit banged up, and I'm not sure why Mewelde Moore isn't getting a few more carries. Finally, I hate that our running plays take so long to develop. That counter, trap draw from the shotgun is awful. The 'stretch' runs off guard and off tackle take too long to materialize if you ask me. I'll have to dig through the play-by-play, but I can recall only one play where we had a RB that wasn't real deep in the backfield taking a quick hitting 'dive' type run straight up the gut. If I recally correctly, it was for about a 5-7 yard gain.
The slow stuff doesn't really work in the NFL at all. It certainly doesn't work with an average line. This is where Arians continues to fall short, even in games and stretches of games where he deserves some kudos for improved play calling in the passing game. We're still not able to mix-and-match and put together complete games with both the throw and the run. Teams like the Colts in 2006 were not able to stop the run for 16 games before getting hot defensively out of nowhere, so never say never with our running game in the playoffs. I'm afraid though that any playoff run we may make has to be predicated exclusively on efficient passing, opportunistic defense, and excellent intangibles like special teams and turnovers.
As for Miller's blocking skills since I started with that? My take? He's neither great nor poor in my opinion, but I do think he's a fantastic talent catching footballs. Notice how many QBs who rely on their TE often just throw it up the seam knowing their TE will be physical going for the ball? Roethlisberger doesn't yet have that same trust I don't think. Combined with Arians not looking Miller's way enough, we can at least begin to understand why he has been underutilized so much the past few years. Today though, on our biggest passing day of the season against a stout defense, Miller was huge. We'll need that moving forward, without question.
* Can everybody who was bagging on Santonio Holmes accept the fact that he's an explosive play maker when the offense is clicking? The 3rd year guy had a few down moments during a very choppy season collectively for his offense - big deal. He's still very gifted and generally a very focused competitor out there. The TD catch was gorgeous of course, but he made other big plays all day. He finished with 5 catches for 96 yards and that 1 TD. He also had a huge recovery of a Hines fumble. Just a great game all around for him. I hope he's back returning punts come playoff time. We needed him to win that Dallas game. We might need him to turn a game in our favor in the playoffs back returning punts as well.
* Couple final thoughts - this game really reminded me of a 2006 Steelers game. Some entertaining success moving the ball through the air; costly turnovers; and a few key lapses on defense. I'm really glad that in 2007, Ben found a way to cut is INTs in half. You could tell it was priority #1 for him. He got away from it in the playoff game last year and has had a few struggles in 2008 compared to 2007, but this game in particular reminded me of Ben in 2006. We've seen him bounce back. He'll do it again.
* These kinds of games though are why Bruce Arians continues to frustrate Steelers fans. Now, even without Albert Haynesworth and Kyle Vandebosch, our offensive line had a really hard time winning the line of scrimmage in the running game. Part of that though is because the Titans spent a lot of defensive capital trying to stop the run. That left lots of opportunities for Ben Roethlisberger to find his WRs for sure. The Titans gambled that their front 4 would generate some pressure by themselves without having to blitz much. They did on several occassions, particularly in the 2nd half against Justin Hartwig. And they gambled that Ben would make a few mistakes and would not just continue taking what was given to him, like a more experienced Manning or Brady might do. Ben will get there, but you absolutely can not let opposing teams get away with deploying that strategy. It worked today for Fisher's defense, even though it also allowed Ben to rack up big yardage in the air.
We'll see if there's a rematch, but no matter what the fickle impatient fans might say, this was a closer game than the score indicated, and another case study in the endless annals of NFL history about how NFL games are decided by turnovers.
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Benching Ben is ludicrous
But he was very generous with the football today. Hopefully he’ll grow out of it, and hopefully he gets his mojo back for the playoff run we all know this team can make. They can’t do it without him.
I don’t care who they played the past 9 games. I know what the team is capable of and it frustrates me to see them fall short of their potential. However, considering their record over those 9 games they are more than due a mulligan (until the postseason; then it’s no excuses).
Ryan Clark did play a horrible game…for Ryan Clark. But he’s a very good, usually very consistent safety. To see him biting on double moves, overrunning plays, and half-assing tackles is out of character and frankly surprising given his record. Like I said above though, I’m not throwing him under any bus, just pointing it out. The injury just makes it worse because now his availability (or effectiveness) will be in question for the playoffs.
No, I admit nothing about Tone. He was great today, I’ll give him that. But with the way everyone around here lauds him, I expect plays like that every time he steps on the field. It’s flashes like today that tease me into thinking he can be really, really special. I just haven’t seen it consistently yet. I’m not writing him off, but I’m not ready to call him a great and outstanding WR either. You have to EARN that level of respect from me. I’m not giving it to him just because he was drafted in a certain round a few years ago.
I completely agree that this had 06 written all over it. I told my buddy I hadn’t seen Ben give the game away like this since the Oakland game that year. But he had some very good success through the air today, so the game as a whole really more reminded me of the Denver game that year. Anyhow, the result is still disappointing.
Heath had a great game catching the football today. Now if he could put a few of those together in a season I’d be ready to call him a top tier receiving TE in the league. I still haven’t seen enough quality days like this from him to offset his mediocre run blocking.
One final note:
You might want to rethink and more carefully examine your own emotions that would lead you to go off and chastise your entire readership with such strong language. Don’t worry about the haters. Just let the angry mob take care of itself.
by JHolmes on Dec 22, 2008 1:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
people know who im talking to
It’s not directed to everyone. I’m not going to call out names, so when I say a fanbase, that can be construed as ‘everyone’ but I didnd’t intend for it to be taken that way. There are plenty who immediately saw this for what it was – a careless game by Ben against a tough team in tough circumstances.
I just do this site to talk about the games, not to babysit emotional outbursts. I guess maybe I should let the trash take itself out, but since the haters like to leave their trail of hate everywhere as often as possible, I suppose I get drawn in to calling them out.
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Dec 22, 2008 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i clarified to 'chunk of fanbase' to be more clear
And thank you JHolmes for pointing that out. And I’m not judging those who think this was a good sign of what’s going to happen come playoff time. Thats a reasonable opinion. So are statements about Heath’s blocking abilities.
Just not some of the other stuff.
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Dec 22, 2008 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now I see what you're talking about
After reading some of the other threads, there is a lot of ridiculousness going on. I tend to read right over that BS in favor of the more intelligent comments, but that’s me. I have coworkers that say the same stupid stuff after a loss, and since I can’t kill them I have to just ignore them, so I’m used to it.
by JHolmes on Dec 22, 2008 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In western PA you can kill someone for trash talking the steelers.
You’d run out of bullets though. We have the most emotionally rollercoaster-like fans in existence, but they always come back the next sunday.
by steelguy99 on Dec 22, 2008 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of people in Pittsburgh don't have a whole lot going for them this time of the year
Except for the Steelers. Think about it. It’s cold. It’s been raining almost every day. When it’s not raining it’s snowing and the parkway is a mess. The days are short. And it’s JUST STARTING. When the Steelers lose, it’s like the sky is falling. Sleep is lost, water loses its wetness, the sky turns grey (oh…wait), up is down, left is right, etc. Lots of bad mojo. I can understand the overreactions, even if I agree that they are pretty riciculous.
by JHolmes on Dec 22, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They should have been in new england this weekend if they want to complain about the weather.
by steelguy99 on Dec 22, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Benching ben is a terrible idea. I think we should start him to piss him off a little bit. Get him a little fired up because he played so poorly against TN last weekend.
Do the same with the defense – make them maul the Browns for a quarter, get back in their usual form, then let them rest.
Can’t wait to see Limus, Dixon and Timmons next week. I think we have Dixon play the second half if he is ready. He could have a field day with the Browns secondary. If he has a good day, we might be in a position to trade him for draft picks.
here we go steelers. here we go.
by MDM on Dec 22, 2008 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tough loss
So Clark and Harrison got a little dinged-up but from the sound of things, they’ll improve with rest. It’ll be hard to keep Deebo off the field against the Browns … beating on them would fire him up more than anything.
How is McFadden doing since his return from IR? He started the season so well, but I haven’t heard his name called out for any heroics lately.
Not sure why, but I was convinced he’d get an interception against Flacco last week.
by betelgeuse on Dec 22, 2008 1:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
BMac
made a couple decent plays yesterday, notably on a screen pass early. He also fell victim to a couple intermediate passes while in zone coverage.
Overall, his first two games back have been ok. I look forward to him stepping it up in the playoffs though.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 22, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the sanity, blitz
It’s nice to finally see some posting that has some sense. This team is gonna be fine. We have 2 weeks to get healthy before a second round matchup versus AFC East Champ/Colts/AFC West Champs (btw, how bout the epic chokejob being put on by the Broncos right now?) And even though the offense has struggled, I think we will move the ball when it counts, because BB is a gamer, making plays when it counts. We had over 300 yards passing against one of the NFL’s best secondaries. If we don’t turn the ball over, we can beat anyone, anywhere, anytime. The team in the AFC that actually scares me the most is the Ravens, and now that we have the #2 seed, we won’t play them theoretically until the AFC championship game, in Heinz Field. This team is very good, and I think this team could make a deep run. If some people want to cry about how bad this team is, maybe they should start rooting for Cleveland. They suck. There are plenty of negative things that could be said about the Browns. As for me, I only have 2 words, GO STEELERS!!!!
WE DEY!!!!!
by jr3131 on Dec 22, 2008 1:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
omg
Cleveland game was so ugly today.
As for Denver, you are so right. This is a meltdown of epic proportions – not to be rivaled, since…well, since 2006 when they choked in a similar fashion, including losing at home to lowly SF in Week 17. Unreal. We’ll see what happens, Chargers have had to spend a lot of energy getting to this point – much like I disucssed in my post. My guess though is adrenaline will get them ready to play and they’ll light up that dumpy Denver defense. Unbelievable metldown.
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Dec 22, 2008 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blitz....good points
Today our team was not hungry. I have seen most of the games this season and we were straight up flat today. I left here right as the game ended and now that the dust has settled i’ll try to be sane. Few things can’t be denied:
1) We can’t run the ball. Not just this game, but period. Today we kept their defense honest with hand offs to willie, but in reality it wasn’t doing anything. For the season this has probably been my biggest frustration.
2) We still can’t keep Ben clean. For some reason i always have flashbacks of how last year Tom Brady just stood forever in the pocket, while delivering bombs to Moss down field. I always wonder what can Ben do with such protection. This can’t be fixed until the off season so i guess….. Ben my prayers are with you.
3)Ben is still a good QB. Young (which is good) and cocky (not sure if that’s so good). He holds the ball too long (at least with this o-line) and the worst part is he is not willing to admit it. I watched his last interview on nfl.com and they straight up asked him this question. As he further develops he will learn, and i’m sure the steelers will be better for it. He is not going anywhere and although he might struggle, i doubt we’ll ever see him benched.
4) Finally… our D is still the shit. They had a rough day. Plus the Old Man quarterbacking the titans couldn’t play any better. I was rather surprised. I knew their o-line was good, but i figured our pass rush would rattle him a bit.
I think a lot of people underestimated the Titans and expected the same effort from our defense that we grew accustom to over the last five weeks. Well, shit happens. Let’s hope we are never as flat or as sloppy as we were today.
by TrueSteelerForLife on Dec 22, 2008 2:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
collins
Did play as well as he possibly could have today. Agreed. Was frustrating, but what can ya do.
1) You’re right. We can’t. I wish we’d give Moore more touches though. He’s gotten well over 100 carries and has average more than 4 yards consistently all year. That pitch to Johnson off the misdireciton was a great call. I wish we could use FWP in certain situations like that.
2) I think Ben could have been sacked 0 times today if he had committed to throwing it earlier. Most of the time he held on to it, he didnt make any big plays anyway. The risk reward wasnt there. Only on 1 or 2 plays did the line truly get beaten, and by my recollection, they both involved Hartwig. Starks had a agreat game btw. Kemo was kind of shaky.
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Dec 22, 2008 2:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2 big recoveries from Kemo tho...
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 22, 2008 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's the case
I specifically remember Ben being sacked immediately as a result of an inside stunt. He wasn’t done with his dropback yet and he was already in the hands of the defender. Also, later in the game, that DE Jones (who had 4 sacks I believe) abused Starks 3 out of 4 plays on the edge, one of which resulted in a sack, and the other two forced Ben to at least step up in the pocket, right on top of his linemen.
A couple were definitely on him, but the line did get beat a few times. I still maintain that Colon/Starks are the weakest links on this line.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 22, 2008 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I`m ok with the outcome
A loss is a loss and it would have been nice to beat a top dog like the Titans, but after this stretch of tough games your asking a lot for the Steelers to win this one. Like you said Blitz the emotions have been so out of control these past few weeks that i`m sure this was`t an easy to game to get fired up for.
Bottom line, i think this loss worked toward our advantage. When i look at the seeding and predict who we will have to face, i really don`t think i would want to be the #1 seed. You get one more game at home, wow. I think we can overpower the Broncos, Chargers, or whomever the AFC east wants to throw at us. Now beating Manning and the Colts, or Baltimore for a 3rd time pose bigger challenges in my opinion. We know how great the Colts offense can be, and we know how dominant the Ravens D can be, (assuming they beat the Jags). The other teams fighting for playoff spots don`t exactly strike fear in me. We can be beat by anyone, but i like our road better as a 2 seed really.
Ben has got to stop treating the football like he brought it in for show and tell. I can live with his occasional interception in our own territory, or a fumble when he gets completely crushed, but this tangling the ball our while 3 people are dragging him down drives me crazy. I love the fact that Ben buys time and makes spectacular plays, but he has to realize when those situations are. Sometimes you have to know when your surrounded and wave the white flag. That is my biggest knock on Ben. I believe at 25 he has room to grow though. He just needs to know when to put the cape away.
And TrueSteelerForLife, you are dead on about us not being hungry today. In my opinion that`s what it came down to. I am glad that White and Johnson made a mockery of the terrible towel though. Let them think they pushed us around. It just makes Deebo even angrier. I hope we see them again.
by SteelerDomination on Dec 22, 2008 2:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: AFC playoffs
I am not sure if I agree with you on the playoff picture. I would have preferred the #1 seed because I think we can beat the Colts. The Colts are vulnerable defensively. I think we can run on them.
And plus, everyone knows they are a soft team. :)
I don’t want to play Baltimore again. Baltimore is definitely going to be a very good team next year. They actually have a decent QB now and their defense is pretty unbelievable. Their GM is really, really good. They have the defensive personnel to take a lot of risks that I don’t think other teams could. They have made some serious upgrades over the past year and they could be starting to morph back into a power running game with a strong defense.
I think after the first round of playoffs, it’s going to be the Ravens and the Colts. Ravens will be #6 and Colts will be #5. As the #2 seed, we would have to play to the Ravens again.
by Vtechnwn on Dec 22, 2008 3:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
asking a lot of a rookie QB
to win a road playoff game. I think they could probably beat Miami, but I’m not so sure about NE. We’ll see. Baltimore needs to get to the playoffs first. They play Jacksonville next week and the Jags had the Colts on the ropes basically. Theyre a huge disappointment but more dangeours than your average 5-10 team.
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Dec 22, 2008 3:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NE = sacrificial lamb
Baltimore would crush New England in a playoff game. Their record and offensive output is more a reflection of their baby-soft schedule than anything else. As we saw a few weeks ago, the Pats are out of their depth playing against a legit defense.
by holiday park on Dec 22, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lowest seed goes to Titans
We would get Colts
by Steelers fan in Boston on Dec 22, 2008 7:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kemo definately got beat on one of the sacks
At the very end, i remember cause i commented on it in the game thread. This guy as a whole is a mystery to me. One game he is a monster and then he is tossed around like a rag doll by a DT who weighs 265 pounds. (Yeah, i’m talking about the goal line stand by the Colts….that clip is still in my head)
by TrueSteelerForLife on Dec 22, 2008 2:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
he seems just a bit slow mentally at times
I think he has the physical abilities to be good enough. He just kind of has these moments where he’s flailing at the last minute to get back in position in pass protection.
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Dec 22, 2008 3:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice to see Moore get more carries
Titans game:
Parker 18 carries for 29 yards with a long of 13
Moore 3 for 28 with a long of 17
Baltimore game:
Parker 14 for 47 with a long of 10
Moore 7 for 16 with a long of 5
Dallas game:
Parker 12 for 25 with a long of 6
Moore 5 for 22 with a long of 8
New England:
Parker 16 for 87 with a long of 31
Moore 12 for 67 with a long of 20
Bengals game:
Parker 14 for 37 with a long of 15
Moore 15 for 56 with a long of 15
by TrueSteelerForLife on Dec 22, 2008 3:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You hit it dead on!
We don’t have a running game for two reasons in my view; One, the offensive line, and two play calling. Our O-line isn’t the best, we know this. But I believe part of being able to run the football is predicated on an attitude of perseverance. The line gains confidence in their ability to attack the defense off the ball when they’re able to do it more. We’ve concentrated on the passing game so much that the line has lost the hardnosed “run” mentality.
With the loss of that attitude it’s difficult to run the ball with any kind of conviction, or purpose for that matter. The O-line coach needs to be looked at here…what is he doing to motivate and help these guys improve?
Here’s where the second factor, play calling, has a significant role. We’re not committed to running the football, we run the ball almost as an after thought to the passing game. Parker is also set so deep in the backfield that any hole that opens up initially is closed by the time he gets to it, IF he’s not met in the backfield. The line has little to no confidence in the philosophy and inmmy mind it shows in their performance. Even in games were we have been effective based on yds per carry, see Steelers – Giants stats, Arians forgets about running the ball. Mwelde Moore had 89 yds rushing at the end of the 3rd QTR, and touched the ball three times in the 4th QTR of that game. That’s just one example.
I’ve never called for any coach to be fired, but Bruce Arians definitely needs an adjustment in offensive philosophy, based on the tools he has to work with. The O-line we have now isn’t built for the type of offense he wants to run, nor for our QB’s style of play. We can’t do anything about the line right now, but the play calling can definitely be corrected. More quick hitting runs up the middle with Parker set closer to the line should do the trick. Sprinkle in a healthy dose of Moore on off tackle runs and screens or quick draws where he’s in space, and we’re off! That would set up the passing game FOR Ben. On Nen’s part, I can live with him holding on to the ball at times, but he has to be smart with it (i.e tuck it away, throw it out of bounds, etc.). Sacks don’t always equate to points, but turnovers most times do.
Last but not least, personally, I already consider this season a partial success because we’ve beaten Dallas ( I hate that team!!!), New England (them too!), and Baltimore (I don’t hate them, they’re just a great team like us!), but I live in Tampa, and I would like to see nothing better than my Steelers playing here in Feb! It will be icing on my 2009 cake! GO STEELERS!
by harrisrb on Dec 24, 2008 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
but Willie had no place to go. Sometimes he was dodging his own lineman that were being forced into the backfield.
You know what crossed my mind while watching the Panthers Giants game? How the Panthers last year just said screw it, and basically rebuilt their line. Ironically we now have Hartwig. So they add a few new pieces, get a monster tackle in the draft in Otah (who i really wanted us to get) and just like that, a nice running game featuring a two back system. We may not have much of an offense this year, but if we draft right then there is no reason why we cant get back to Steeler football.
by SteelerDomination on Dec 22, 2008 3:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah definitely
Need a coordinator who has a good track record running the ball. Arians has been finesse his entire career it seems like. But who knows, maybe with a better offensive line we would be a better running team which would prompt him to shift gears substantially. I think we can still win with this offense and offensive line this year though.
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Dec 22, 2008 3:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing
how much better Deangelo Williams looks with a better line, huh? Most people had just about written him off after the past few disappointing years. Sound familiar?
by JHolmes on Dec 22, 2008 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is a problem with willie, but it’s not all his fault. As you point out, he is often dodging in the backfield. The problem I think is that with this line, willie is not the right type of runner. We need someone who can fight for those tough yards even if hit behind the line of scrimmage. Last week against the ravens willie was that guy, but for the rest of the season that willie has been absent.
by steelguy99 on Dec 22, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Willie
Maybe you’re right. But, name me the guy who could run behind The Steelers line. Seriously, The Steelers line is in bad shape. I think it is mental, as in, coaching. Last year, the line wss mediocre, this year it is just plain bad. And, last year, with a mediocre line Willie stil did great. I think we have been desensitized by the bad play of the line. So, now, when they play mediocre, we think it is good.
by WyoFan on Dec 22, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know that another back could run behind this line the way we are running it. Our O-line sucks, it won’t get better.
Stop pretending our TEs can block. If you want them to just block, use another lineman.
Use the FB sometimes to block.
Use the FB sometimes to dive.
Use the FB/McHugh sometimes to catch.
Design runs to the outside on slow LBs.
Etc. Etc. Diatribe. Etc.
Willie is fast, he can’t get hit in the backfield and he usually can’t go between tackles. Either make a friggin hole for him or let him get outside. While there may be no RBs that can run behind our line the way we run, there are RBs that can run behind our line if we run another way. Our screen game could work but doesn’t because we suck at it and willie isn’t the best pass catcher.
by steelguy99 on Dec 22, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Venting
I felt like it was such a sloppy game today, defensively and offensively.
You can tell the difference b/w our O-line and the Titans O-line. Their O-line protected their QB and run-protected. When Parker ran, he ran into the line of scrimmage. Their RBs were getting 3 or 4 yards a carry.
And Ike Taylor, who has been guarding TO and Randy Moss and Derrick Mason is getting tooled by Justin Gage?? There were a lot of missed tackles in that game.
Everyone has been complaining about how holding calls on our defensive players don’t get called but at least their O-line is protecting their QB. Our QB is running for his life half the time. In fact, I would like to see our O-line get called for holding once in a while because it would mean that they are actually trying to protect their QB.
Bruce Arians need to go. I don’t know if he even understands football. There’s no running game at all so we can’t run play action. And we pretty much signal all our passing plays by moving Ben into the shotgun formation. I always thought one of the keys to the football was unpredictability and how can you play against an opponent when they know exactly when you are going to run or pass?
Meanwhile, the TEs and RBs are blocking well enough for Ben to make the big play and Miller, who is a great player, is underutilized in the passing game.
Plus, we have these bizarre time management plays where we are wasting a down by spiking the ball instead of just calling a time out. We did that last week and we did it again this week.
by Vtechnwn on Dec 22, 2008 3:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yea
Wasn’t pleased by that at all at the end of the half after what happened last week.
Really thought we had good chance to get 7 before the half but had to settle for 3 – and then missed. But yeah, time management wasn’t great.
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Dec 22, 2008 3:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One of my biggest problems with this offense...
Meanwhile, the TEs and RBs are blocking well enough for Ben to make the big play and Miller, who is a great player, is underutilized in the passing game.
Exactly how I feel. Heath Miller should have a minimum of 7-8 balls thrown his way every game. He has the best hands on the team, and is as dependable as anyone on the team (except maybe ol’ 86). Heath Miller needs the ball. Third and short, Ben’s first read EVERY TIME should be Heath.
Arians should be fired for not using Heath, regardless of everything else. We spent a 1st round pick on the guy, and 4 years into his career we finally see one game that shows what he’s capable of.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 22, 2008 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pats-Card game
This is a little off topic but did you see how the Patriots ran up the score against the Cardinals today?
Sigh. That’s the Bill Belichick that we know and love.
by Vtechnwn on Dec 22, 2008 3:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
in his defense
maybe he got confused and thought the tie-break procedures in the AFC East were the same as the Big XII, and that he would need style points if the Pats, Dolphins, and Jets all finished tied. Or, he’s just a douche. The Cardinals are awful though…has a worse team ever clinched a division title as early as they did (I think they clinched the same week as the Titans!)?
by cjmulrain on Dec 22, 2008 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they're still the cardinals
There’s one reason why the Cardinals are a division winner this year: one of those godawful teams HAD to win the NFC West.
by holiday park on Dec 22, 2008 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping that their entire first stringers on offense and defense got injured. Running up the score in the snow?
I don’t normally hope for injuries, but the pats deserve them.
by steelguy99 on Dec 22, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you have a brain
Yes this was a very tough loss to swallow. Mildly softened by the fact we clinched #2 spot and it didnt matter AS much as say the Baltimore game…
I thought the Offense was outstanding. We were kicking the Titans ass with all due respect. We ended the day with more yards. We were moving it pretty easily. Were it not for the turnovers we would have done just fine.
Your point about checkdown I thought was very accurate. I noticed parker and moore sometimes just sitting there 5 yards out not getting any attention. We all know MM can do some good things with the ball too.
The Ten’Teeth titans are NOT better than our team. For today, they were better than our QB. Today. Believe me if those losers get a chance to play us again, I firmly believe we resoundly slap them.
by Mechem on Dec 22, 2008 6:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
amen
I was at the game, the Steelers fans knew it….the Titans fans knew it…when we went up early in the second half, everyone in that stadium thought we were gonna run with it from there. Simple costly mistakes. We’ll bounce from this.
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Dec 22, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
specifically
The 1st INT…Moore was WIDE OPEN in the right flat with at least 5+ yards to run after the catch. But Ben forced it….
by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 22, 2008 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away...
At least before 1 o’clock yesterday.
I watched games until late, read no Steeler follow up stories or opinions, enjoyed some red wine and home made chili and then went to bed.
This morning I wake up and learn that the sky is falling. Gee what did I miss?
We have the same flaws we had in August with some improvements and some slippage, we are in the playoffs with a bye the first week and any of us would have taken 11-5 or 12-4 when the season started. Against the toughest schedule in the NFL in 25 years.
Cut the hating people. Criticize the facts, blow off some steam and take two weeks off. In fact, no practice for you either. Chill out.
Hate Ariens? Well he is here through February. Wish Moore got more carries since he doesn’t seem to run into his own line the way FWP does. Me too. Really wish Ben would learn from the lessons he is being taught ever week? True dat.
I am disappointed in the results of yesterday’s game because I always, in some deep corner of my soul, believe the Steelers should win every game no matter the team or circumstances (and I still believe that Neil O’Donnel is color blind).
But, this has been a great year to date, lots of fun and excitement, production way higher than anyone predicted. I am a happy man with the playoffs still to come.
Oh yeah, I agree with Steeler Domination, if we can get a couple of good draft picks, and reset our offensive line with a couple of new guys etc…… The only thing worse that watching the Steelers lose is not being able to watch them at all from February to July.
by Bob from Virginia on Dec 22, 2008 7:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the post. In the bigger picture of the season, I don’t think this loss is very meaningful.
I don’t think Ryan Clark had a bad game – I thought he made one very bad play on the first td. I don’t think that overshadows how good he has been, or his good plays yesterday, like the big third down hit to stop the drive right in front of the first down markers. But I felt the same way last year and think it is ridiculous people are still talking about Anthony Smith’s problems with coverage or that he should play strong safety when he was an excellent free safety last year.
by buddytoledo on Dec 22, 2008 7:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gotta hand it to the Titans offensive line.
Did anyone see how huge that guy Stewart was? I know Harrison is pretty short, but that dude had to be 6’10!
The Titans o-line kept the Steelers pass rush in check and wore the Steelers run defense out by the end of the game.
Great game plan by Fisher and the Titans. I hope the Steelers meet them again in the playoffs.
by bradyquinnsclipboard on Dec 22, 2008 8:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
When You Turn The Ball Over Bad Things Happen
1) Great call by the Titan OC on the 3rd quarter 4th down 21 yard run by C Johnson. Sure wish our OC had a play up his sleeve once in a while!
2) Phantom penalty on the Steelers giving Titans a 1st down inside the 1 instead of a FG. What up with that? Commentators can’t even tell us what happened and to whom?
3) Glad the Titans (White, Bullock etc) mocked and desecrated the Terrible Towel. If we are lucky enough to make it to the AFCCG and the Titans are there they will learn and kneel to the mystical powers of the TT. Besides, this will be great video footage to play on endless loop at the Steelers offices. The D will be worked into a frenzy if we end up back in Music City this season.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Dec 22, 2008 9:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1 on #3
Love to see that happen.
by steelguy99 on Dec 22, 2008 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
At the end of the game, I was thinking, “Gee, I hope we don’t have to play this team again,” but right after that I saw White and Bullock desecrating the TT and now I would love nothing better then to see us go at them again in the AFCCG. Not only will they have to deal with the mythical powers of the TT, but also with the powers of Myron from the hereafter.
by Jonny B. on Dec 22, 2008 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
#1...
True, great call by their OC…but only because Ike Taylor f*cking slipped on his way to stopping Johnson for a 4 yard loss!!!! Ike read the play 100% perfectly…avoided his blocker and was in the backfield as soon as Johnson was getting his hands on the ball. But, he overpursued, fell down, and Johnson showboated his way to 6.
Physical mistakes don’t kill teams…mental mistakes do.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 22, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching the Game, I felt like I had the same mentality that the Steelers had.
They really didn’t care about this game, would it have been nice to get the #1 seed?
Yes.
Does it really matter in the grand scheme?
No
The only way it makes any difference is if we meet Tennesee in the AFC Championship.
I think I was as exhaughsted at watching them win those 12 round heavyweight fights as they were playing them.
Thanks for the extra motivation Lendale and Company!!!
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Dec 22, 2008 9:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Happy with the L
Not really. But I can’t say I’m unhappy. Or surprised. This week I saw Ben do at least 4 sports talk interviews, I saw Tomlin on PTI, I saw videos of the defense playing grab-ass for espn camera-men, I saw the team on two magazine covers, and I saw everybody (except Warren Sapp) pick the Steelers (I’m, admittedly, overly superstitious….but they were carrying 16 tons of bad karma going into that game). So I pretty much decided a loss was coming, because let’s face it, the Steelers are not the Cowboys. They’re not a spotlight team. Which is why they never win when they’re the top seed. I prefer them with the second seed, coming off a big loss, angry from watching Jelly Donut White stomping the Terrible Towel.
I also like the path as the two 2 better, because I think the Ravens are the scariest team in the AFC. I know Indy will be tough, but I think our offense can move on them. And I think if we can get to Manning, he’ll get flustered (he always does). If we can win that game we’ll either have the Ravens at home or the Titans in Nashville. Either way, I like that match-up. The crowd for the Ravens will be great, and I don’t think Flacco can handle that kind of pressure. And if we get that second shot at the Titans, I think LeBeau and his boys will have a field day.
On Ben: He’d been talking about playing “loose” all week – and the interceptions and fumbles were a function of him doing just that. He was trying to make plays, trying to open up the offense, take it all on his shoulders, stretch his game to its limits. And it came back and bit him. Which is fine. Now he knows his limits, and the coaches know his limits, and I think they’ll respect them come playoffs. This was just an undisciplined game, with very little on the line in my opinion (and the team’s opinion too, from what I could tell). I don’t think we’ll see a performance like this again.
On the D: They were tired. It was obvious. It’s been an unreal stretch, playing what feels like 10 Super Bowls in a row. They’ll be fine.
Now of course, I would have been happy if we had won. But the one thing I feared was this team getting complacent, or otherwise losing focus, going into the playoffs. I don’t think we have to worry about that now. Tomlin will be fired up. Ben will reel it in for the stretch. And I expect the Defense to be furious and violent.
I’m generally a pessimist, but it’s hard for me to notice anything but positives coming out of this game.
by SteelerInVirginia on Dec 22, 2008 9:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Jelly Donut White"
I’m still laughing!
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Dec 22, 2008 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well said, blitz
As I said on another thread, Steeler fans should take a deep breath and say two simple words: Trap Game. After weeks and weeks of must-win games against tough opponents, they were prime for a letdown against a good team in a game they didn’t need to win. As we saw in 2005 and all season this year, the Steelers play much better football when they have to play with urgency.
And I think it’s good that the players all took yesterday’s loss as a reality check, because it was. After a week of national media calling them a team of destiny, they needed a reminder that you still have to play hard and execute your game if you want the victories.
by holiday park on Dec 22, 2008 9:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dear Steelers
Thank you for this season up until this point. The consistency of this franchise spoils us fans and gives us an opportunity to root for that playoff spot, and a superbowl win, almost every single year.
This season in particular has been a tough one. Early injuries were overcome, and games that looked like they could have spelled the end for the steelers chances were set aside while our play improved.
The last stretch of games has been enormously exciting. With the ravens on our heels, the steelers have done what was needed, pulling out huge victories frequently against solid opposition. After the past three weeks I was able to leave the bar with a stupid grin on my face, extremely happy about the team I was cheering for.
Against the titans you lost. That sucked. I thank you though for performing so admirably this season that I can save my emotional investment until the playoffs. Your loss means you get to sit starters next week if you so choose. I never like to see the steelers lose, but on fumble and interceptions I was able to sip my beer and reflect on the importance of this game – not much. Sure you want to win, sure you want to dominate. But it’s okay. The fans know what you are truly capable of. While I didn’t leave the bar (walking through a blizzard) with a grin on my face, there wasn’t a frown either.
I know what this team can do, and I can’t wait for a few more stupid grins in january.
by steelguy99 on Dec 22, 2008 10:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ben's Greedyness
As I said in another thread, this is something that has mildly bothered me all year. But, the way I see it, I would prefer the Steelers’ QB to go for the win than to play not to lose. Sometimes Ben might have a game like this, but I will take my chances with Ben anyday and I am pretty confident the Steelers’ management feels the same.
by PensFan024 on Dec 22, 2008 11:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
One of those Cowboys fans had a great quote about this:
It was something to the effect of “On third down, you can take the milk drinkers,. I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time.”
Sure, Ben is aggressive…he’s a competitor on all levels who wants to win, and wants to be the guy guiding his team to the victory. If he wasn’t that guy, we certainly would not have come back and tied the game against Dallas, nor would we have beaten the Rat Birds last week.
As you said “I’ll take my chance with Ben anyday” as well.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 22, 2008 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Playoffs
I really think the 2nd seed is better for us. The one downside is playing @ TEN if the Titans win in the divisional round but look at the positives.
We can not play the ravens in the 2nd round… as they can do no better than the 6th seed. We could play the colts if both the raven and colts win… but chances are one of the home teams from the wild card weekend will win… which means will most likely play Miami, NE, SD, or Den… Looking at those teams compared to playing the Raven for a third time… Ill take it.
by Danto85 on Dec 22, 2008 11:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well said blitz.
I saw this type of game as due for the Defense. The offense played well, except for Ben carelessness with the fumbles.. the Int’s I can take.
One question to you all: Weren’t you really relaxed and jus enjoying Steelers football on sunday while watching the game? All throughout this season I hadn’t been more relaxed while watching the steelers play. This game was meaningless. The players also know that. Home field is not as important as that bye-week, which they locked-up last week.
Anyway, I agree on every bit Blitz expressed in his post. If you are the type of fan that wants to rant and get off the band-wagon as soon as you got into it, then go wirte your stuff to a chargers or cowbows site.. not here. Remeber well what Mr. Art Rooney said: “Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history”, you are not being very thoughtful, and can’t even remember last week, so much for the histpry part…
by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Dec 22, 2008 12:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Blitz, We Feel Ya
Blitz, Datruth agree with a lot of what you said. Don’t worry about the haters. Haters are supposed to hate. Now on to a few quick drops of Truth:
— Bruce Arians this, Bruce Arians that. He ain’t the biggest problem with this offense. I hate to burst everybody’s bubble, but this offensive line just isn’t good enough. Point Blank. End of Story. The cat is out of the bag and the Fat Lady can sing. Can’t Run and Can’t Protect? Where you gonna hide and who you gonna call, Ghost Busters?
— What Chris K did yesterday against a rookie — one who had one sack on the season — to allow him to get 3 sacks and 3 forced fumbles is pretty bad. Willie Colon had a rough day at RT as well. Like Tomlin said, no excuses.
— Time for Kevin Colbert to offer half of his draft this year (9 draft picks) to move up and get the best LT available on picks 11 through 20 (it’d cost too much to move up into the top ten). I’d trade a 1st, 3rd, 4th and a late pick in 2010 to get the best LT available (Michael Oher or Eugene Monroe, anyone?). I’d move Max Starks, if he resigns, to right tackle, Stapleton to left guard and let Colon and Simmons fight it out at RG.
— If Colbert doesn’t want to go that route, then you can sit at where you’ll be (real late 20’s) and take Duke Robinson, G, out of Oklahoma and then take 2 to 3 tackles later and hopes that one of them come through. I’m not for that philosophy. Go get the guy that can protect Ben’s blindside for the next 10 years and draft another tackle with good feet that you can also bring along. Datruth has no idea what rookie LT Tony Hills will bring to the table next year, so as far as future prospects go, get’em in, get’em good or get’em gone.
— Blitz, I don’t agree that this team was due for a letdown or they were just tired. They got beat. Plain and simple. The Titans didn’t turn the ball over, ran when they needed too, and only allowed Kerry Collins to be sacked once. On the other hand, the Steelers had 4 turnovers (could have been about 2 more if not for recovered fumbles), ONCE AGAIN couldn’t run, and gave up 5 sacks. I might put about 2 of those on Ben, but afterwhile, your OL either has to man and play a complete game or be like Mice and say “I like cheese!!!” So far, I think we got a few cheese eaters on this line.
— Man, Kerry Collins did a pretty good imitation of … of …. a QB leading a team that could be the best in the AFC? He was humming that ball yesterday. That TD toss where the receiver turned Ryan Clark inside out was gorgeous. However, the throw that hurt the most was that one after the Harrison sack, the 3rd and 20 throw that he completed on the left sideline. Only a QB that is confident in his arm and his D can make that throw. Hey one relaxing pre-holiday thought for you, how’d you like to see our $100M QB playing behind the Titans’ OL? The NFL wouldn’t know what hit them.
— Did our no. 1 D smell themselves a little too much after B-More? I don’t think so. It is good to be confident. But it is also good if you’re humble enough to know when you get your tail handed to you. When the Titans picked up 2 straight first downs running the ball when the D really needed to stop them and get the ball back, Larry Foote said it best, that it is time for the D to check themselves a little bit. But I’m with you Blitz. Dick LeBeau will have them playing better next time around.
— One other thing the Truth noticed. Run blitzs aren’t as effective against this team than it is others. To be effective against the Titans, and particularly Chris Johnson, everyone needs to play their gap and guard against cutbacks, kind of like a picket fence mentality. With Lendale White, you just smack him as early as you can. Anyone notice Big Snack getting really upset when Foote and Potsie were overrunning the ballcarrier on their run blitzes near the end of the game? They stopped and the D finally got off the field.
— Paging Mr. Woodley, Paging Mr. Woodley. If you hear this message, could you please pick up the phone and your play? DaTruth knows this is your first year starting, and that you might be wearing down late in the season, but this D isn’t the same without you bringing it. Just like the guy conducting the bench press at the NFL combine always say, “Well, if you want to be bear, then be a Grizzly.” This team needs that “Grizzly” that it had been getting earlier in the year on other side of Harrison.
— Did any of you really think a hip was going to keep Deebo off the field? Only if his hips were dislocated from his upper torso. The dude’s a Baller. Miami can keep Joey Porter and his $20M guaranteed. I’d take DEEBO!
— Hey, K. Colbert and the Rooneys, after the last gun sounds this season, here are some deals where you just need to “Get’er Done!”: 1) Bryant McFadden, can’t develop them and then let them go to someonelse when their best years are ahead of them, Pro Bowl potential and best CB on the roster 2) Deebo extension, no explanation 3) Heath Miller extension, no explanation 4) Max Starks, how can this guy play a decent left tackle and not beat out Willie Colon at right tackle? He don’t deserve LT money but I’d give him RT money (whatever RT money is, I don’t know, but he’s at least worth that). Right?
— If I’m Tomlin, I’d sit Ryan Clark and Deebo against the Brown-stains. Everyone else that can go should play. Just stomp’em early and everyone can sit. I’d let Ben play so that he can practice on throwing the ball away, which is what he’s going to have to do a lot in the playoffs if this line doesn’t play better.
— What Tomlin has done to get this team to 11-4 (and probably 12-4 after next week) with this schedule and the injuries is nothing short of spectacular. Let’s hope he can fix this OL next year just like he did the kickoff and punt teams (notice I didn’t say return teams). With this D and Big Ben, this team has a puncher’s chance against anyone in the playoffs.
—If only this OL could get a visit from Bill Cosby and Sidney Poitier and let Poitier hypnotize them into thinking they are a championship quality OL like he did Bootney Fonsworth (aka Jimmy Walker) and convincing Fonsworth that he was a champion boxer. Anyone remember that movie, “Let’s Do It Again?” I can see Chris K. and Willie Colon right now saying after being hypnotized saying, “I CAN block somebody. I’m MEAN!!!! I’m INVINCIBLE!!!!!!!! I don’t make the person playing across from defensive player of the week EVERY WEEK.” (Alright, it’s okay to laugh now!)
— Happy Holidays all and be blessed. And that’s DaTruth!
by datruth4life on Dec 22, 2008 12:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We were bound for a let down.
For all those “die hard fans”, get real. We were treated to 3 excellent weeks of football! Three weeks of wins over two of our biggest nemesis, and two miracle comebacks! It was bound to happen, we lost to a really good team in their stadium after 3 weeks of emotinally draining football. These guys are human, they have their days off. And to the idiot who thinks the team has no leadership, go back and root for the Browns!
Time to refocus, get back on track at Cleveland and get ready for the playoffs. A loss now to the Titans now is better then a loss to them in January!!
by vin2k on Dec 22, 2008 12:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the most frustrating calls Arians seems to consistently make,
and I’m basing ‘consistently’ off yesterday and I the Dallas game, is 1st and goal from the 4ish, and handing off inside runs to Willie Parker on 1st and 2nd downs. Incredibly. Stupid.
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Dec 22, 2008 1:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Palyoffs?
If I have learned anything from Bellicheat and the Hated Patriots, its this: Only think about the next game! Right now, The Brownies are all that matters. Do you think The Steelers may have been looking ahead? I know I was (Not that I matter in the win loss dapartment). Let’s stop talking about the playoffs and think about the next game (I mean us here).
Is there any such thing as a good loss? Yes. This is the type of loss that lets everyone know what happens when the team loses focus. Turnovers are a function of losing focus. This Loss should serve to refocus the team and make them concentrate on their weak points.
11-4, with The Steelers schedule, is more than acceptable. It is great! Think back to the start of the season and remember your best expectations. Were they 11-4? And, I think The Steelers can make it 12-4. Truly great.
Let’s not forget, the Rooneys own The Steelers. What do you think they think about the offensive line? What do you think they will be discussing with Tomlin and Colbert in the off season? The Roonerys are no dummies. I’m sure that with their vast football knowledge and history, they know how to correct what ails the O-line. For now, for better of worse, that is the O-line The Steelers have. So, let’s be Steelers fans and throw all our support behind them and wish them well. I’ll start: I like that Willie Colon. I think he is going to have a good late season run. Go Willie!
Concerning the low character of The Titans and they way they behaved after the win: Where’s Ben’s thank you letter? Did his generous Christmas gifts to the Titans go unnoticed? I mean, one of our guys wrote one to Romo. I guess we can’t expect all fans to be as great as Steelers fans.
While we didn’t get the bow on top of our gift this season from The Steelers, 11-4 is still a hell-of-a gift.
Merry Christmas everyone.
Go Steelers.
by WyoFan on Dec 22, 2008 3:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bench Willie Parker
The Steelers running game is non-existent with Willie Parker – negative yardage, stopped at the line of scrimmage – no running game – end of story. This is why too much pressure is being focused on Ben. You saw with Tennesee what a good running game can do. If the Steelers want to go anywhere during the playoffs they would be best to not put the ball in the hands of Willie Parker only to put more pressure on their QB. The only reason the Steelers have won the amount of games they did this season was the Defense. The Offense needs to step up and stop digging themselves into a huge hole relying on the Defense to make all the plays to keep them in a game. Start Mewedle Moore. That’s the only shot we have at making a good run (literally) during the playoffs!!
by steelerfan86 on Dec 22, 2008 5:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
REGRADLESS OF PLAYOFFS...........
we play Tennessee next season!
60 minute men
by I.W.H.F.M.D.95 on Dec 22, 2008 10:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Perfect. Paybacks. You know what they say about that?, so I want even type it. I’m a stiller fan. I have more class in my little pinky than Mr. White has got in his whole body (and thats saying somethin!). I follow my owner’s lead. I’m proud of who I am. I know where I’ve been and I know where I’m goin’. Right makes might. What comes around goes around. If not today, then tomorrow. We won’t just sweep this under the rug or shrug it off. It matters too much.
by Jonny B. on Dec 22, 2008 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs


















