Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Cleveland Browns - Week 17 Open Thread
by Blitzburgh on Dec 28, 2008 10:54 AM EST
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It's hard to believe it, but here we are in Week 17. The Steelers have accomplished lots up to this point; yet at the same time, divisional crowns aren't something we necessarily write home about. The 'second' season will kickoff for Pittsburgh in two weeks, but as for the regular season, gone. Crazy.
You guys know the routine by now - join the action here on BTSC as the Steelers games unfold each week. I'd expect that this Sunday's thread will be a bit less crazy. The game of course means nothing for us in terms of seeding. Secondly, I think must of us figure that the lion's share of the starters on both sides of the ball will be sat down no later than halftime. And finally, if you take a look at this TV Distribution Map, you'll see that only a handful of markets will be getting this one. I know many of you are making it to your first game in awhile Sunday, so do enjoy! We'll be here in the open thread.
For those looking for a live stream of the Steelers-Browns game - try here.
Be sure to inform us if you find something better. I presume many might opt to watch this one online for a bit rather than heading down to a sports bar.
Here's hoping the offense can execute at will against a mentally and physically depleted Browns team before taking to the sidelines for a big bulk of the game. I know we have next week off too, but I hope we still use this game to rest up our defense. They could use it, and I'm fairly confident our reserves can keep them in check offensively.As for the offense, let them get some work in together for at least a half. That's my take anyway.
Would it be nice to finish the year 8-0 in the division? You bet it would. But if it meant I had to forfeit any possibility of the Steelers winning in exchange for the game to be played without any injuries - well, then I would take it in a heartbeat.
GO STEELERS!
Below is the breakdown of other key games in the AFC,
Games of Interest with Steelers implications:
1) Miami at New York Jets - you can scroll down the page or go to the next page to find my complete breakdown of the AFC playoff picture. If Miami wins this one, they're the AFC East champions and will face either Baltimore, New England. If the Jets win, they too are in. They hold the tiebreaker over New England if they were to finish with identical records. We'll see how this one goes in New York, but Brett Favre and the Jets sure have looked miserable this past several weeks. Meanwhile, Miami has done a little bit of evetyhing this past two months to get themselves in this position to secure a playoff berth. Logic says Miami's in the driver seat. Logic's not always the best thin gto apply when predicting who might win each week.
2) Jacksonville at Baltimore - Another fine example of how conventional logic is a risky proposition in the NFL. Two years ago, the lowly LOWLY 49ers beat Denver in Week 17 to eliminate them from the playoffs, bumping the Chiefs up to the conference's #6 seed instead. This is a similar scenario, except in my opinion, this Jaguars team remains more dangerous than nearly every 5-10 team in NFL history. The way I see it, Jack Del Rio could be coaching for his job. I don't think he'll be fired personally, but things have gotten ugly enough in Jacksonville that I'm sure Del Rio knows he can't afford to have his team get embarrassed due to poor preparation. That whole cliche - 'this will be their Super Bowl!' - it's overused, no doubt, but in this instance I don't think this Jaguars team is going to roll over when their opponent is playing for their playoff lives.
Baltimore wins and they are the #6 seed no matter what else happens. What fantastically fun stakes for rookie QB Joe Flacco and 1st year head coach John Harbaugh. Will they be overwhelmed? They would play the AFC East champion on the road in the first round. Barring a
3) New England at Buffalo - Well, if Buffalo hadn't gone out and played an amazing 2nd half of football on the road against the Broncos last week, I'd be very inclined to say that New England was a huge favorite. As is? I'm not so sure. Dick Jauron, despite getting an extension, could very well be on the hotseat if his team lays an absolute egg at home against the hated Pats. The W last week was inspirational and impressive for the Bills, but it still doesn't change the fact that the they blew a 4-0 and 5-1 start with two months of pathetic performances. My point being that Jauron and his staff aren't in the clear just yet. A victory over the defending AFC champ Pats might make the notoriously impatient Ralph Wilson hold his horses and give Jauron at least on more year. You have to like the team with the coaching edge in this one, and you know of course that the Pats have been through these kinds of tests in recent years. Then again, Matt Cassel wasn't starting at QB back then. New England still has chance to be either the # 3 or the # 6 seed in the AFC with a win and a little help.
4) Denver at San Diego - Enough for now...plus, if Denver loses this one, I'll most certainly be writing about their epic collapse at some point in the future. The Broncos, having lost their huge lead out West, now must travel to Qualcomm to take on a very confident Chargers team. Either San Diego is going to roll bigtime here, or Jay Cutler is going to turn in a performance for the ages. Cutler may very well play great, but I still would never take Denver in this spot. Could the Chargers really sneak in and have another crack at navigating the AFC playoffs all the way to the Super Bowl, something they haven't been able to do during the LT era?
The winner gets Indy at home in Round 1. And in case you were curious, the only way we would see either of these two teams in the playoffs is if they won their first game of course; but also only if the #6 seed were to win in Round 1 and move on to face Tennessee by virtue of pairing the lowest with the highest seeds in Round 2.
LOTS still in play as we get set to kickoff Week 17 in the 2008 NFL Season.
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Can't Play Baltimore
It would be nice if Baltimore captures that 6 seed. That would mean that we couldn’t possibly see them until the AFC Championship. Assuming things shake out as expected, then we would get Miami, San Diego or Indy first, and that sounds great to me.
I don’t think that Indy can win a Super Bowl with their defense. Miami will be a contender next year, and San Diego is lucky to be in the playoffs.
Of course, the Steelers’ playoff dreams all rest on the performance of Big Ben. I think we all know this. If he plays well, then we will be the first team to 6 rings. Otherwise, we could lose to anyone.
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 12:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean if the o-line plays well
without a running game all year and a crappy o-line Ben has been the glue that keeps the steelers offense together.
by bradyquinnsclipboard on Dec 28, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
feed anyone?
that one says it’s been removed
by syrsteelerfan on Dec 28, 2008 12:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i would like to dedicate the Browns season to Kwoog
where has he been?
by bradyquinnsclipboard on Dec 28, 2008 1:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let's go Steelers!
Please please please please…I hope there’s no big injuries today…please please!!!
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would love to know if anyone has a better way to follow the game than nfl.com. Any suggestions?
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 1:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
GREAT!!!
It seems like we are moving the ball pretty well on the opening drive.
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 1:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Spoke to soon.
Two no gains for FW and a holding on Miller.
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Browns moving it...
….i hope the men of steel pick it up…..it’s a “meaningless” game, but you know they need to win this…….lose two in a row at the end of the regular season wont sit well.
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 1:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
bah
we seem tad disinterested. big ply here
by Blitzburgh on Dec 28, 2008 1:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
harrison?
does anybody know if harrison is playing or not?
by tha1andonly57@aim.com on Dec 28, 2008 1:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ehhh that sucks
that probably means he wont win defensive player of the year
by tha1andonly57@aim.com on Dec 28, 2008 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
we could use the offensive momentum
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 1:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this would be great time to get a TD
I liked how we took advantge last week early in the 2nd half when we got a slight break when Fisher punted on 4th and inches. Now would be a good time to post another big swing.
by Blitzburgh on Dec 28, 2008 1:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
17 by air
27 by land. Not a bad drive for the Brownies.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 1:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yup he only needed 27 and he has 39
by tha1andonly57@aim.com on Dec 28, 2008 1:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
whooa
Utilizing Heath two weeks in a row? Blasphemy!
by Blitzburgh on Dec 28, 2008 1:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
damnit ben
Thts a looooooooooooong break for Heath there. Way to slow developing. I want to say Ben held it too long but I think he had to wait for Heath to at least approach his cut
by Blitzburgh on Dec 28, 2008 1:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I really dont understand why they don’t dink and dunk all the way down the field. They have the personal for it.
Certainly better than trying to force things. MM ALWAYS catches and runs for like 5-15 yards! All they need to do is get 5 yards a chunk for LONG ASS drives! They can do it…..IF only they would!
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
We really dont need Ben having this kind of game today.
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 1:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
damn
nevermind. Heath was out of his cut.
by Blitzburgh on Dec 28, 2008 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
is it just me, or has our run defense been weak
for the past couple of weeks at least…
by syrsteelerfan on Dec 28, 2008 1:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dangit
That’s 41 yards on the ground in 2 drives.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 1:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
mcfadden looks
a lot more aggressive today. Very pleased to see that.
by Blitzburgh on Dec 28, 2008 1:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Defense is running out of gas..
..thanks in no small part to Pig Pen Uselessbugger.
by robert ethan on Dec 28, 2008 1:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If true...
that’s pitiful. We just finished the first quarter.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...first quarter of the 16th game of the season..
..this is nothing new for the D.
by robert ethan on Dec 28, 2008 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey...
How long do you guys think the starters on D will play?
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 1:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the whole game if need be.
they are going for the win.
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya know...
… I was just about to praise Parker for that last run.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
come on willie!!!
It dont seem like he is getting anything going today. Now he just falls down.
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this drive
has taken some time off the clock i think
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 1:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
WOOOOHOO!!!
THATS THE BEN I KNOW AND LOVE
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 1:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
r u kidding me?!?
time to clean the colon!
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 1:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
im sorry
I have no sound on the game. what was the call?….holding?
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 1:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yea, on colon
how many TDs has he disallowed this season?
by shleeve on Dec 28, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im not even watching it!
im in washington visiting my uncle and im not getting the game
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 1:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
not being able to score on the browns is scary...
very scary
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ofsetting penalties
Re-punt and Mitch downed them insdie the 5
by Blitzburgh on Dec 28, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we went from a TD to a punt:(
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously...
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 1:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yes!
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 1:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
at the 5!
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 1:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
1st Round Pick = Tackle
If Willie Colon is starting next year, then I will be pissed. What a waste of a draft pick. I can’t wait until he is gone.
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 1:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah....
I am not feeling to good about the O’s performance today. If we cant score on the browns I think we might be in trouble in the playoffs.
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 1:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i agree
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 1:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
jamal lewis is going to put 100 up on us
by syrsteelerfan on Dec 28, 2008 1:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think this is the 4th game in a row or so that teams are running on the steeler D.
this is getting to be a big concern. it all started with those draw plays by NE.
it may be because the steelers drop back so many people….I dunno.
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we used to have ...
the #1 rush defense in NFL>>>>
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 1:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this is
starting to get very frustrating
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 1:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
come on...
saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey saftey!…..nevermind…:(
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 1:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just caught a highlight...
…from the Vikings. Watched Peterson break one of those runs FWP used to do. Sadness.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 1:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
no points on the BYE WEEK!!!
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Seems like our run D got worse with Keisel back. It seems like folks are getting through the middle a lot on us.
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
colonostomy
I am so tired of our o-line diminishing how good our offense can be;we are doing this with smoke and mirrors and I’m not sure we can fool our way into a superbowl on defense alone.We must substantially improve our o-line in the offseason.Hers hoping we can do this on our skill peoples shoulders and defense!!Happy holidays to the black and gold faithful!!
by wmd3 on Dec 28, 2008 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We need to spend our 1st round pick on o-line
we need one of the best Tackles in the draft… and a Guard would be nice too
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit down by 14
wow. first 0-16 ever.
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
just made it 14-7
but theyre going to lose, yea theyre the worst ever
by Jett on Dec 28, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey
Have you guys noticed the goal posts in Buff. ??
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
did you see that field goal attempt?
it was unreal
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching the Pats...
There so much wind in the stadium, the staff is having to strap the goalposts into an upright position. LOL
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
there he is
where you been Parker? we missed you
by shleeve on Dec 28, 2008 1:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yea
that guy shut off his access without passcode :/
by Blitzburgh on Dec 28, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now
THAT, is the Willie Parker I know!!!
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 1:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lost my feed completely....
can’t get it back, asking for password. Any help out there in Steeler country??
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
try this:
http://atdhe.net/live-tv.php?b=mms://a284.l5831810283.c58318.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/284/58318/v0001/reflector:10283?auth=caEakaidsa5dWbGaHbldXbpb8aNbsaibcbb-bjv8ZQ-E-wnGFLwu
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I use nfl.com Field Pass
$10/month for audio of all games. It’s the only affordable online solution.
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
feed
Here is a better site to stream the game. http://www.myp2pforum.eu/nfl-cfl-afl/33023-streaming-thread-2008-2009-nfl-season-week-17-a.html
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think
yeah… that one is better anyway
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
im glad this the last game i have to watch on a feed!
next year im getting the NFL network!!!
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nfl network?
this game isn’t on the nfl network
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holding penalty and 92 isn't even in the game!
No justice
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 2:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
For the feedless....
Troy just knocked out a pass that was run back for a TD – refs called it incomplete pass – but it looks like a fumble.
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 2:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
...and I adore Troy.
It’s probably not healthy. But I do it anyway…
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and why didnt tomlin throw the flag?????
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 2:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
as if our offense doesn’t need all the help it can get
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
about Troy...
im lucky…im born on April 19th…same as Troy!
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol...it should!
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im not sure how to link this site but this seems to be a good live feed
http://atdhe.net/live-tv.php?b=mms://a284.l5831810283.c58318.n.lm.akamaistream.net/D/284/58318/v0001/reflector:10283?auth=caEd6c6aLbFdJaOcOdraMbucib9aXbPagaa-bjv8YM-E-EpGCKxo
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
at least the O has finally woken up....that's good.
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 2:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dunno about the whole O line, but...
… the passing game is working pretty well. Minus the INT, BB is doing well.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But still got that sick feeling when he heaved it up there at the end...
glad no Borownies were there to get at it.
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Uh Oh...
Ben – throwing late and get’s walloped – he’s down – got hit high and low.
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 2:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i guess
it could have just as easy been a bad play by Ben, and i would have been screaming take the sack
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 2:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
with our line, i'm just surprised this didn't happen before now
by syrsteelerfan on Dec 28, 2008 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well
As much as he gets hit this was inevitable
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this is NOT the time to be happy!!! :(
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 2:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
cheap
that was cheap by mcginnest landing on his head like that
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 2:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
his limbs were moving though….so that’s great.
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if its taking this long
i dont think its a shoulder… im thinking concussion or even neck?!?!?!?!
by Jett on Dec 28, 2008 2:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
browns onlyhave 16 sacks
and our o-line can’t stop them
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tomlin had a smile...sort of...
so….maybe not as bad as it looks….
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hes smiling
cuz this is unbelievable and ridiculously unlucky
by Jett on Dec 28, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Unlucky"....?
It is that fat smirking doughhead who puts Roethlisberger in harm’s way in a meaningless game.
by robert ethan on Dec 28, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
afraid of that
i dont wanna hear idiots say this is tomlins fault…. had to play the starters for a good while in this game because of how poorly they played last week, cannot go into playoffs w a bye playing that bad
by Jett on Dec 28, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bright side
Now we can practice our running game.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 2:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
UNreal
Ben gets carted off in meaningless finale. WOW.
by Blitzburgh on Dec 28, 2008 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The O-Line has been playing towards this all year
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
no no no no no
this cant be happening!! i cant beleive it!
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
relax
Don’t freak out. Wait until they say what the problem is.
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 2:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
come on man
if Ben didnt play and we lost in the first round you would have said why did he sit
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 2:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he had to play
…it’s football….cant worry about getting hurt. playing half a game or so would have been totally fine…
you think BB wants TWO weeks off??
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forget all your dumb comments... just say a prayer and let's move on
by TrueSteelerForLife on Dec 28, 2008 2:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
THUMBS UP!
Think good thoughts!!!
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 2:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No TV
How did BB look? A lot of pain or no?
by Jonny B. on Dec 28, 2008 2:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what does that mean ??
No broken neck? Or ill be back in 2 weeks?
by Jonny B. on Dec 28, 2008 2:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No details yet...
He just looked dazed at first amd was moving his arms and legs – a little, but then the trainers came in and kept his head/neck still. they took off his faceplate, put him on a board, then off the field on a cart – with his head taped down. Ben just gave the thumbs up as he left the field.
Hop efor the best.
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
The game center on NFL.com still shows all passing plays by BB.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think the O line is getting too much blame
BB just holds it forever. Not gonna blame him for that…that’s who he is. Look at BL right now…1 sec 2 sec and the ball is gone.
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
agree
sure he has the long wind up, but still makes a quicker decision and gets rid of ball quicker
by Jonny B. on Dec 28, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not saying they are great....
….just saying it’s a combination of things….
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
a 3rd and 1 running conversion!
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
stupid
they spike at the dumbest times
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 2:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Time Out
“OMG, we might score. How does that work, again? What do we do? Quick, tell Colonboy to hold someone and buy us more time to figure this out!”
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 2:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
did you see the fist drop back he had?
he got smashed….then….false start
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 2:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Was Colon on the field?
Wait for the call…
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 2:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Big time points.
The Ralphie Report - University of Colorado Athletics
by Jon Woods on Dec 28, 2008 2:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what happened?
I took a half hour nap just before they hiked it to leftwich.
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I saw Colon
and it looked like they could have called holding
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I Smell
a Shut-out! Come on D, get nasty!
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 2:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hope we arent going to have to endure
Anymore bench Ben posts after this game, but I’m sure we will.
by Jonny B. on Dec 28, 2008 2:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
byron
The two times he has played this year is going to earn him some cash next year. And it won’t be with the Steelers
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 2:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Contract length?
I think he signed a 2 year contract, but either way, you are absolutely right.
The Bears should be sending Leftwich daily fruitbaskets… or something. The Bears could really compete if they had a competent quarterback.
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bears
Should try for Cassel, assuming Brady comes back in good shape.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel is a mirage
Cassel is no better than Dan Orlavsky, he’s just in a much better system.
Cassel is a career backup. Leftwich is a starter without a team.
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
im sure we will…unfortunately
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 2:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
fine
let’s just see what he can do. I want some insurance
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 2:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yup
but, i would like to see some of Dixon
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 2:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
dixon for the second half
just to see
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
heard of it
really want to see it though. We all know he has the speed
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 2:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dixon
You put in Dixon before the 4th quarter starts and then you can’t put Leftwich back in.
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 2:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully by then
he can get in for some mop up time.
by Jonny B. on Dec 28, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
once again
Since Dixon is listed at the thrd quarterback you can’t bring him in and out until the fourth quarter
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 2:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Big Snack get the ball on the goaline
Dunno if he can hold the ball…but would love to see what would happen. I love the old Fridge play!!
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
=)
I’d rather see Troy carry it over the top.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 billion
if not for the injury risk
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i want to see mike tomlin
with a sneak up the inside. Headset and all. LOL
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Big Ben's Injury
Is my fault… for the first time this season, I wore my #21 (Zeroue) home jersey instead of my #7 jersey. Bad timing, I guess.
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
bwahaha
I assume that you’re kidding
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
…about the fact that I own a Zeroue jersey? or that I switched today?
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's actually my fault.......
…you see, all season when I play madden 09 before the game, when I win, the steelers lose, and if I lose, the steelers win. So today i chose NOT to play at all…just to see what would happen…and now…..Ben is hurt and it’s all my fault!!!!
:(
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i do that too
except I’ve won everytime so far, so my prediction method is horrible
by shleeve on Dec 28, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Things I don't like so far
Jamal Lewis 12 carries for 54 yards
Willie Parker without his long TD run he is averaging 2.2 yards (22 on 10 carries)
Gary Russel only 2 carries (15 yards) FEED HIM!!!
Pick in the red zone, and of course Ben’s injury
by TrueSteelerForLife on Dec 28, 2008 2:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jk
I have thought all season that lefty can get it done. Given the chance. But I tell you, our recievers need to get accustomed to his rocket arm. Hines wasn’t even expecting that low flying jet in the endzone
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 2:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Browns are Pathetic
and they have a secret owner, take a look at this link, very funny,
by Heinzter on Dec 28, 2008 2:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I see on Twitter that FOX is saying ben has a concussion.
….dunno how acurate
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Better that then
an injured neck or something along those lines
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 2:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Definately better
but not so good. How many is this, including accident?
by Jonny B. on Dec 28, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
compared to the alternative that would be good news
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 2:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
with a concusion...
you think he can play in two weeks?
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Depends how severe
look at trent green. This isnt exactly BBs first.
by Jonny B. on Dec 28, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
commentators
talked about limiting him in playoff preperation. Could that now be an issue?
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes thats an issue!
Remember how he looked earlier with limited practice!
by Jonny B. on Dec 28, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't think he'd be held out of non-contact practice.
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Each one is worse than the last
So… good question.
I’d bet that he plays. Not sure that I want him to.
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whew
That’s really a relief. Could have been much worse. Must have been the prayers that helped.
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 2:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
prayer changes things.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they certainly don’t make things worse.
by Jonny B. on Dec 28, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
I’m thinking he would be paralyzed or worse without it.
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 2:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nudder holding call
Guess the zebras saved ’em up for the end of the season.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 2:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow
You should be a doctor. You’re like that Republican dude that could tell that vegetable in Florida was practically healthy by seeing her on tv.
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol.
hey now! I’m justlooking for the upside! … or something. ;)
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't get me wrong
I’m relieved you are right. There were many worse options
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
so much for our rushing defense title. That went out the window when lewis stepped on the field
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 2:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Giants have 104
bringing the Vikings total up a bit.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is FWP still in?
Russel? Davis? What are they doing?
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 3:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's fine
let willie find his stride.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
39 starting to get a lil' traction
Guess they’re still trying to get the o sorted out – especially now that Byron might be running things.
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 3:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like that FWP
is moving the chains consistently. He’s picking up those yards
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else
like Byron’s arm. Man that thing is wicked fast
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
sweed
screwed us with that block in the back. Byron seems to have nice pocket presence
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sweed = lots of rookie mistakes
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He still looks like a promising #2 receiver behind Holmes (when Ward is gone)
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Punt
and romp on them within yards of their goal line. Let’s see the D do its thing.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 3:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Man that Limas really had a rough rookie year.....and i had such high expectations
by TrueSteelerForLife on Dec 28, 2008 3:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he had a few big plays. Yes, he had a few rookie mistakes, but so did Santonio
by PaulMorel on Dec 28, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Give him some time
I think he’ll be fine.
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Remeber the plaxico spike
his rookie year?
by Jonny B. on Dec 28, 2008 3:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Washington is starting to come around. Sweed just needs that learning curve to kick in. I want to see more of Hills. Lets get that O-Line pick working.
by StinkBomb on Dec 28, 2008 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
damnit
Saw the hair and was hoping it was tp
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Carter?
Did he catch it with his mouth? I’ve only seen him use his mouth for whatever he does on the field.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Townsend (I think) got a good lick on the QB as he released – pass was a floater in desperation.
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stuffed
nice to see the J.Lewis bar graph stopped.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 3:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
anybody know?
how many yards brees has passed for today
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 3:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Roye and Eason getting time on the field
Roye just batted down a pass
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 3:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just caught s glimpse of Harrison in sweats on the sideline....
Dude doesn’t look comfortable standing on the sides. Looks hungry.
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 3:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not saying much against the Browns, but at least he’s getting some runs.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was innactive for the game...i though we would use this game to pat his stats
by TrueSteelerForLife on Dec 28, 2008 3:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Take away the 34 yard run and it's straight up shitty
by TrueSteelerForLife on Dec 28, 2008 3:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
True of most runners
Take away Peterson’s 67 yarder and he’s 16 for 30.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SSSHHHUUUUUUUTT OOOUUUUUUTT !!!!!!
15 mins away…
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 3:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As of Nate's catch
play calling goes 25 passes and 26 runs.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great Play.... But Why is Hines still PLAYING??
by TrueSteelerForLife on Dec 28, 2008 3:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
who else is gonna play? sweed is already in there.
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
Up by 7 is one thing. When we’re up 17, it no longer makes sense to have these guys in the game.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben's Condition
Gasp! Reports are coming in at various sites that he has bleeding in the brain!
Oh The People You Meet When Your Out of Ammo.........
by Juannieboy on Dec 28, 2008 3:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I"m trying to eat here....
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were still in timeout after that jersey fiasco?
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m calling it my Moore jersey…..
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If it's on the internet
then it must be true
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cause he's the man
and i love it.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh crap
what are the sources for ben? any links?
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
juannie
you have to give us some links. I need to know
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
full of crap
no way that would be released so soon
by Jonny B. on Dec 28, 2008 3:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
thanks
for raising concern with no proof
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ah. I was just fucking with ya!
Oh The People You Meet When Your Out of Ammo.........
by Juannieboy on Dec 28, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
has that guy ever posted here befor??
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 3:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's a Brown fan...
Interpret that as you will.
by Tizoc on Dec 28, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I thought it was pretty funny. Considering how so many steeler fans over react so easily.
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MORE!!!
more points. Avalanche of points.
by StinkBomb on Dec 28, 2008 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey look! The browns are bleeding on the scoreboard!!! Maybe THEY need new brains!!!
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh I think they get some new brains ofter the season
…abby normals brain maybe
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah man
who is carter in for? cause i want some more
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shut OUT!
Come on D, finish this!
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
should we knock out THEIR QB?
pop in that 5th string.
by StinkBomb on Dec 28, 2008 3:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I want just one, just one
Leftwich long bomb to 10 or 17
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
poor crennel
man this has to be hard to swallow.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not feeling sorry for the Browns
But I do sorta feel like Crennel doesn’t deserve this. It’s not he’s Arians, or something.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
boys we are deep
as Randy Travis would say: deeper than the holler. Our starters in waiting can perform
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
deeper than the holler?
I have no idea what that means. Maybe if it was TV On The Radio who sang it I would understand.
by worldtrip on Dec 28, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Titans suck
I hate em and they stank!
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My nine year old
just said Cleveland Sucks! I’m so proud!
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Carter causes fumble!
Dudes on fire!
They got it back though.
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
your nine year old
is much smarter than the entire dawg pound
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow
Tone needs some THC on his fingers to hang on to the ball
by stillerfn86 on Dec 28, 2008 3:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
brees needs 61 yards to break the passing record
so the carolina punter only gave him a 45 yard field with a little over 3 minutes left…………
on purpose? maybe
by shleeve on Dec 28, 2008 3:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
think we'll learn more on 7
after the game in the news room?
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lions better not choke
They came all this way, have to finish!
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
C'mon steel nation
let’s get behind detroit for a win. Lol
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1-15 is a waste
0-16 is an accomplishment
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
Not a bad punt for Berger. 49 yards.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 3:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, is Detroit coach an offensive person....
I’m thinking replacemet for Arians?
by TrueSteelerForLife on Dec 28, 2008 3:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i already thought of that
apparntly he was a D-line coach at Tampa
by shleeve on Dec 28, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i want cowher 4 off. coordinater
"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43
by PsycoSalameh on Dec 28, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do the Brown Stains make Romeo find his own ride back home?
by StinkBomb on Dec 28, 2008 3:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
last couple minutes of Romeo!
Enjoy it Steelers fans!
by Blitzburgh on Dec 28, 2008 4:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No cheap points for the Clowns!
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Want Romeo to stay in Cleveland
That’s a guranteed 2 wins for us each year!
by vin2k on Dec 28, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think they're that heartless
I mean they’re not the Titans.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 4:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jamal Lewis 94 yards.... he better not get to 100
by TrueSteelerForLife on Dec 28, 2008 4:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
J.Lewis
94 yards rushing. Gross, not net. (I believe)
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 4:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Goodbye Romeo!
It was fun whooping your ass while it lasted. You will be missed as a gimmie
by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2008 4:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
kick the field goal.
Just for Big Ben.
by StinkBomb on Dec 28, 2008 4:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Another Bagel
on your way out the door, Romeo!
Let's Go!
by jacksteel on Dec 28, 2008 4:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
was that Romeo's resume' that he had in his hand?
by StinkBomb on Dec 28, 2008 4:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
12-4 not too shabby!
Hope Ben get’s better in time.
by SCSteeler on Dec 28, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's it.
Great regular season!!!
I hope BB heals up, the running game returns, and it all end with a nice shiny trophy!!!!
by Ragnar808 on Dec 28, 2008 4:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Since I'm watching via Game Center
I’ve got stats at the fingers…
B. Roethlisberger 9/14 110
B. Leftwich 7/12 80 TD (by rush)
W. Parker 23 116 TD
M. Moore 4 23
G. Russell 4 21 TD
H. Ward 6 70
H. Miller 5 55
S. Holmes 3 31
Not a bad mix for the O.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
8 first downs
That’s all they got. Way to go D.
by Varmint on Dec 28, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Season Steelers!!!
Let’s Get That Ring Boys!!!!
by TrueSteelerForLife on Dec 28, 2008 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
12-4 and happy
Well despite BB getting knocked up you really cant complain. Another resounding thump of the brownies.
Shame Troy didnt get that 8th pick. But hey hell of a season for him. And its not over.
Props to Carter and B-Mac. And also Hines for breaking 1000 yards. Hopefully it helps his HOF chances that a 30+ year old is getting 1k seasons with TD’s.
And to everyone saying drop/trade parker. You all need to realize he has played great we just dont draw up good plays and have a sucky O-line. He plays great when the defense is weaker than our O-line. Which is rare. Nobody could run against the teams we’ve played, give him credit.
by Mechem on Dec 28, 2008 4:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
new thread on the frontpage
lets move the discussion over there
by schnifin on Dec 28, 2008 5:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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