Patriots filmed Steelers 4 times
Bumped. I've been holding out on commenting on this situation until I got my thoughts/feelings in line. I'm close and will probably sound off as to why this whole cheating ordeal is so important. For now, use this thread to discuss the details and lament the fact that that scumbag and his cohorts perhaps took away our 'one for the other thumb'.
-Blitz-
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08046/857665-66.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml
"U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter said yesterday that he has a list of witnesses and will pursue the "Spygate" case against the New England Patriots that he said involved four games against the Steelers, including two AFC championship games.
"I think Steelers fans have a lot to be concerned about this and I'm one of them,'' Mr. Specter told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in an interview yesterday, adding that "maybe Steelers ownership should think about it a little.""
This information gives Hines Ward's comments a little more credence.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2007-09-12-1294083353_x.htm
"PITTSBURGH -- Wide receiver Hines Ward suspects the New England Patriots may have had some type of inside information on the Pittsburgh Steelers before at least one of the teams' two AFC championship game matchups since the 2001 season.
Ward is certain the Patriots, while known for the thoroughness of their scouting under coach Bill Belichick, had some kind of unusual help before their 24-17 upset victory in Pittsburgh in the January 2002 AFC championship game. The Patriots went on to win the first of their three Super Bowls.
"Oh, they knew," Ward said Wednesday. "They were calling our stuff out. They knew, especially that first championship game here at Heinz Field. They knew a lot of our calls. There's no question some of their players were calling out some of our stuff.""
Can't say this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy about the Patriots and Belichick. Especially after watching them spank us in those championship games.
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That is pretty damn depressing
by cgolden on Feb 15, 2008 9:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Assuming we won those SBs
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 15, 2008 1:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
outcome of games
by steelerinchicago on Feb 15, 2008 2:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Company line
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 15, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just playing Devil's advocate
by cgolden on Feb 15, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If
by steelerinchicago on Feb 15, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 15, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 15, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting article
by cgolden on Feb 15, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Asterick Nation?
Also we know for sure that it went on for at least 7 years. Belichick isn't someone to waste his time with something every single week, every single game unless he's confident it's helping him to win.
My be all end all is I want some explanation from Goodell on this. Why this was swept under the rug. Why no suspension was given. etc. etc.
by Chicago Steeler on Feb 15, 2008 3:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol
+1 for Chicago Steeler
by Blitzburgh on Feb 15, 2008 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tricksters
by smashmouthsteel on Feb 15, 2008 3:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
T-Shirts
by Romain El 82 on Feb 15, 2008 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saving the game
by RickVa on Feb 15, 2008 5:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 15, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
by cgolden on Feb 18, 2008 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Rooney should show his balls - not flaps now
Cowher loser - pity 8 seasons too late) And investigate this further.
We were robbed in at least 1 AFCC title game it seems.
Dan seems to care more about his image in the NFL than wanting a
'super power' Steelers football team.
Get tough Dan - or piss off and let Art take over.
Art is ruthless - Dan Rooney's title as 'head honcho' has been poor in
winning Superbowls.
A somewhat lucky win, and having a coach who still can't win the big
one. Big Ben and the players won in spite of Cowher - Cowher to me is
still a loser and always will be. Tell me how a coach who has sole
rights on 3-4 OLBS (DE's) for a decade can't win a superbowl. Running
with 11 men in the box don't work in playoffs. Thanks Bettis! (most
overrated Steeler ever - is fat Jerome)
Hopefully Art cans people's asses quickly if they aren't performing.
Coaches and players alike.
You listening Larry Foote and Brett Keisel. Both are poor in stopping the run.
Keisel in a turnstile at RDE He ain't no 2 gapper; and Foote talks too
much. Timmons is quicker and has more cunte than Foote.
Dan Rooney and Cowher will go down in Steeler folklore as LOSERS. Dick
Lebeau is becoming one of the 2 aforementioned losers. 1 more year
dick and its Tomlin's team outright.
Lebeau has 1 SB victory in 50 yrs playing and coaching. It says alot
that stat. A leader and innovative player / coach should have at least
6 in that time frame, even if the side he represents is poor in
certain areas.
I am on to Dick Lebeau and his 'overrated' defenses.
Throw Slants, sideways, WR screens, Bubble screens and you will always
beat Lebeau. His defense is based on a QB throwing the ball downfield
- if they don't Dick Lebeau's defense is toast.
From the likes of the NYT article today, it looks like they might be
downplaying it because they were involved in the cover-up.
If it turns out to be true that Dan Rooney--the boss of our favorite
team--knew from Goodell that the Steelers were being taped multiple
times and he advised Goodell to cover it up, who exactly IS on our
side as Steeler fans? As Steeler fans that demand that our favorite
team's games be played fairly. Not the Rooneys, that's for sure.
Now, if it turns out that Goodell almost fully misled Rooney about the
content of the tapes, then that's a different story.
But more and more, I don't see how the latter can be true. The
evidence is made public that the Steelers were taped multiple times
over the past 6 years, and the Rooneys release a press statement
saying "no big deal."
I'll follow the story until all the evidence presents itself, but if
at the end of the day it's true that Rooney is so unconcerned about
the desire for Steelers fans to have their favorite team compete on an
even playing field, and if the other owners in the league are also in
cahoots and therefore unconcerned about the desire for their fans to
see their favorite teams compete on an even playing field, then I
think I may just give up on watching the NFL completely.
by wiggins on Feb 16, 2008 8:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
it continues to
losĀ·er[loo-zer] -noun
- a person, team, nation, etc., that loses: The visiting team was the loser in the series.
- Informal. a. a person who has been convicted of a misdemeanor or, esp., a felony: a two-time loser. b. a person who has failed at a particular activity: a loser at marriage. c. someone or something that is marked by consistently or thoroughly bad quality, performance, etc.: Don't bother to see that film, it's a real loser.
- Slang. a misfit, esp. someone who has never or seldom been successful at a job, personal relationship, etc.
Oh, and Fat Bettis? 5th all time on the rushing list??? 5th? For a bruising up the middle back to get that high on the list is not only astounding its Hall of Fame worthy. I can take a lot of things, and I love this site, but I'm not going to just let garbage like this slide by. If you want to post intelligent stuff on this site then do so. If you want to sit here and call people idiot names and show your ignorance, then go to stillers.com, you'll be much happier.
by steelerark on Feb 16, 2008 12:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Steelerark
And, fat Bettis? Are you kidding me? He was awesome for years, with a very inconsistent passing game. Then, he chose to take a pay cut to finish his career as a Steeler as a situational player instead of trying to start somewhere else. No way do we make the playoffs in '05 without the Bus.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 16, 2008 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is not that I dislike Lebeau, Cowher, Bettis,
Lebeau cannot beat a spread offense. FACT. Lebeau beats teams QB's who throw vertically, a QB who throws sideways, and backwards he cannot stop.
He couldn't beat Montana and now Brady as these QB's do not throw 'vertically'.
Cowher coached in a division which stunk for years, and a conference that also was putrid. 1 Superbowl. Loser.
How people can rationalise losing 4 AFCC at home is delusional.
Bettis nearly gave the game away vs Colts in 05 which summed up his career. Thanks Ben. Against cheats in another AFCC at home (Thanks loser Bill and Jerome) 11 carries 4 yards. A big time player is Bettis. Yeah. Loser. Bettis / Lebeau / Cowher / Dan Rooney = Losers of the highest standard possible.
It can be said Tomlin's 1 ring for the Buccs = Lebeau's career already - from the standpoint of Rings. Lebeau was a specialist coach for years as Tomlin had been.
This franchise and its 3-4 Defense needs urgent help, if you read my other diary entries I know how to build teams. For 3-4 or 4-3 defenses. And yes I have been a scout and have coached at a high level.
The 3-4 in PITTSburgh has produced 1 'lucky' Ring. Hasselback had no trouble in dissecting it; and if Roeth does not run it (he didn't get in) on 3rd down = 3 points. If Hope had not got that call in the endzone (no foul on that play) = 11 saved points for the Seahawks.
We won by 10. 11-10 = 1.
Steelers lose to Seattle in the Superbowl by 1 point. You get it?
In a 3-4 defense you need excellent corners - as most 3-4 teams are exclusively 'cover 3'. Antoine Cason (read my mock draft diary for improvement)
Cowher and Lebeau's (himself a CB) inability to find CB's who can play Zone has stopped us from winning more SB's.
Cowher's inability to find a QB in his early years sum up his coaching standpoint. Trade up and get one. You give up 1,2,3,4 picks to get a future franchise QB don't you?
The thing that somes up Cowher was He did not want Big Ben. He wanted Phillip Rivers (Terrible throwing action no power) and Dante Hall or Shaun Andrews as the pick 11 in Ben's draft year.
Cowher will never understand how to win big games, as well as QB play (Players won in spite of him in 05) and Lebeau and Cowher respectively will not understand how to draft Corner's who play well in Lebeau's (Stop vertical attack only) defense.
If you are climbing the ladder in your workplace, will an employer give you 16 yrs (in Cowher's tenure) and (50 in Lebeau's tenure as coach player) to reach the pinnacle of your profession.
If they do let me know where you work!
by wiggins on Feb 17, 2008 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dead on
by cgolden on Feb 18, 2008 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well now
Let's get one thing straight. the National Football League has not always been a multi-billion (that's BILLION with a 'B') cash cow. It took a number of smart, rather shrewd characters quite some time to build the league into the unqualified success it is today. One of those people is Dan Rooney. Most of today's more celebrated owners; the Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, Daniel Snyder (kidding) are just harvesting a crop that was planted and cultivated by the Rooneys, the Maras, the Halas. Its important to point that out because we need to be clear that winning championships are at best the SECOND most important thing to these owners. Like all businessmen the first most important thing is to turn a profit. Wiggins, your final statement would explain exactly why the temptation, the smart move really, would be to handle this thing internally and keep it under wraps. If it becomes clear that the playing field has not always been level then not just you, but a lot of people go away. And it may be hard if not impossible to get them all back no matter if all the evildoers are caught and punished, the damage to the GAME (read business) is done and may be irreversible.
Consequently, this is not about showing one's balls. This is about preserving the game to the point that we continue to care about participating at a site like this even though next season is a full seven months away. This is about being smart.
by RickVa on Feb 16, 2008 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wigging Out
ROONEY built the league as you know it. He has kept football in Pittsburgh. Unlike the Modell's and Irsay's of the world, moving vans have not taken our team to some far away city for billions in profit. The Rooney income is solely based on the NFL. He is not making his money on Microsoft or Starbucks but on the NFL's popularity. He is doing what is smart publicly regardless of what he feels privately.
COWHER was not the greatest X and O man that ever coached but he was a damn good coach that kept the Steelers competitive year in and year out. He had his players selling out game in and game out through his emotional motivation. When he ran into a better X and O man in a big game he usually got beat but he did get us there. He also did get us the elusive one for the thumb riding the emotion of one Jerome Bettis.
BETTIS may have been fat but he was the entire offense for many years. While teams stacked 8 men in the box Bettis ran for 10K. Dude even took a shot in the groin trying to get himself ready for a playoff game after he carried them there on his back. I don't know about you Wig but I would NEVER want a shot in my groin.
LEBEAU was one of the greatest DB to ever play the game. He is one of the great players of yesteryear that helped build this league. When he retired he was top 3 in interceptions in league history...during an era where QB's threw the ball 10 times a game. His play on the field alone is enough to get him in the Hall. As a coach he was an architect of the 3/4 which changed the game. I will not apologize for him that he has only won one championship. Some greats have never sniffed one championship.
While you seem to have no respect for Rooney, LeBeau, Bettis and Cowher you seem to have an affinity for BRUCE ARIANS. Case closed.
by 5020 on Feb 16, 2008 3:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Strong, long and big fingers = big ****
Lebeau cannot beat a spread offense. FACT. Lebeau beats teams QB's who throw vertically, a QB who throws sideways, and backwards he cannot stop.
He couldn't beat Montana and now Brady as these QB's do not throw 'vertically'.
Cowher coached in a division which stunk for years, and a conference that also was putrid. 1 Superbowl. Loser.
How people can rationalise losing 4 AFCC at home is delusional.
Bettis nearly gave the game away vs Colts in 05 which summed up his career.
It can be said Tomlin's 1 ring for the Buccs = Lebeau's career already - from the standpoint of Rings. Lebeau was a specialist coach for years as Tomlin had been.
This franchise and its 3-4 Defense needs urgent help, if you read my other diary entries I know how to build teams. For 3-4 or 4-3 defenses. And yes I have been a scout and have coached at a high level.
The 3-4 in PITTSburgh has produced 1 'lucky' Ring. Hasselback had no trouble in dissecting it; and if Roeth does not run it (he didn't get in) on 3rd down = 3 points. If Hope had not got that call in the endzone (no foul on that play) = 11 saved points for the Seahawks.
We won by 10. 11-10 = 1.
Steelers lose to Seattle in the Superbowl by 1 point. You get it?
In a 3-4 defense you need excellent corners - as most 3-4 teams are exclusively 'cover 3'. Antoine Cason (read my mock draft diary for improvement)
Cowher and Lebeau's (himself a CB) inability to find CB's who can play Zone has stopped us from winning more SB's.
Cowher's inability to find a QB in his early years sum up his coaching standpoint. Trade up and get one. You give up 1,2,3,4 picks to get a future franchise QB don't you?
The thing that somes up Cowher was He did not want Big Ben. He wanted Phillip Rivers (Terrible throwing action no power) and Dante Hall or Shaun Andrews as the pick 11 in Ben's draft year.
Cowher will never understand how to win big games, as well as QB play (Players won in spite of him in 05) and Lebeau and Cowher respectively will not understand how to draft Corner's who play well in Lebeau's (Stop vertical attack only) defense.
If you are climbing the ladder in your workplace, will an employer give you 16 yrs (in Cowher's tenure) and (50 in Lebeau's tenure as coach player) to reach the pinnacle of your profession.
If they do let me know where you work!
by wiggins on Feb 16, 2008 11:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
we get it
Everyone's opinion is valued the same here and we welcome all new comers, but you don't have to post the exact same comment in three different places.
by cgolden on Feb 18, 2008 8:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As for Arians
Arians plays more of the spread offense - Yes he may dislike running like some other 'losing' coaches over the years but he has 'nutured Manning and is on with Big Ben'.
Arians was a Northcutt (drop - he never drops balls - bullshit) from beating us with the Browns - the lowly Browns at this point.
Holcombe threw for 400 yds on a 'slice and dice - spread the Steelers out scheme on offense.
Tomlin, Arians are the two best coaches we have.
Arians will be successful here if Ben learns to throw the ball away, and stop holding the ball for sooooooooooo long.
Big Ben thinks he has 10 seconds to throw on some plays, Ben; quick release hit the open man.
Big Ben and not Arians 'Offense' cost us a rematch (where I fancied us very much) against the Pats in the 2nd week of the playoffs.
If people on here think Ben did not 'lose' that game for us - I am afraid you (ain't got no idea) about Football.
by wiggins on Feb 16, 2008 11:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wiggins a Seahawk?
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 18, 2008 10:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
reminds me of burghman13
by cgolden on Feb 18, 2008 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 18, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
go to the
by steelerark on Feb 18, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on Feb 18, 2008 12:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wiggin out about....?
by zenhas12strings on Feb 19, 2008 12:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just because you dislike a former head coach
I am not the person who wrote diaries in December.
I love Mike Tomlin.
Again I state facts; and ask this simple question.
Cowher's inability to find a QB in his early years sum up his coaching standpoint. Trade up and get one. You give up 1,2,3,4 picks to get a future franchise QB don't you?
The thing that somes up Cowher was He did not want Big Ben. He wanted Phillip Rivers (Terrible throwing action no power) and Dante Hall or Shaun Andrews as the pick 11 in Ben's draft year.
Cowher will never understand how to win big games, as well as QB play (Players won in spite of him in 05) and Lebeau and Cowher respectively will not understand how to draft Corner's who play well in Lebeau's (Stop vertical attack only) defense.
If you are climbing the ladder in your workplace, will an employer give you 16 yrs (in Cowher's tenure) and (50 in Lebeau's tenure as coach player) to reach the pinnacle of your profession.
If they do let me know where you work!
Heresy is what Cowher made fans go through in 4 AFCC's at home.
by wiggins on Feb 19, 2008 6:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
cowher fault?
by zenhas12strings on Feb 19, 2008 7:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
The answer to your question is yes. Primarily because of the word "pinnacle". How many companies have long standing CEO's but the company is not #1 in its product line?
Or to take it down a notch... Do you fire a consultant who is consistently among your top 5 earners but only once has been #1? Of course you don't, that man is making a lot of money for the company.
Same deal with Cowher, the man won. A lot. The amount of coaches with multiple rings is very low.
by Chicago Steeler on Feb 19, 2008 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 19, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
by TheMostViolentTeam on Feb 19, 2008 3:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's a dark mark for the nfl and for the pats
Joe Greene had a comment when they defeated the Oilers in the Championship during their 3rd or f4th superbowl run, when there had been a bad call by the refs that took away a Oiler td. Win or loss, his point was it was a bad call that stayed with the game years later. These incidents may overshadow the game.
Also, the Rooneys, Dan especially has always been a guardian of the league. Other owners, Al Davis for instance, would have no problem leveling a lawsuit against the Pats, but the Rooney Steelers are never going to take that path. All the more so because of the close ties to the current commish.
I dislike the Pats, I dislike Billy and these events do not shock me. But the retribution I would be happiest seeing is the Steelers to beat the Pats every time they play.
by vherub on Feb 20, 2008 11:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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