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Super Bowl Sunday Was Just That...Super

If you were anything like me, you approached this game with only luke warm optimism and interest. I for one wasn't eager to watch the Patriots hoist another Lombardi Trophy. To hell with the opportunity to witness history. I wanted the Giants to win, I just wasn't going to invest too much emotional capital in the game...at first.

So like the majority of Americans who watch the Super Bowl but are more interested in the festivities surrounding them, I settled in to watch with a mountain high table of food, plenty of libations, and a couple dozen friends. Problem for me and my football viewing experience was I was hosting, and me and a friend were doing a crawfish boil, which if you've never done one or seen one, I'll summarize succintly in three ways.

1) They're incredibly awesome, especially if you like a little spice.
2) They're labor intensive to shop for and cook.
3)They're messy as hell.


We polished off 35 pounds of these suckers last night

I hope your time spent with friends, family, or just yourself and the great game of football, was enjoyable. I watched every play of the final 10 minutes, but was only to intermittantly watch throuhgout most of the game. Here's what I saw in the limited action I saw:

  • I thought the Giants might have a fighting chance when they succesfully converted multiple third down situations on their opening drive.
  • You can't beat the Pats with FGs though, and when the Giants had to settle for 3, followed by a Pats score, I was afraid it was the beginning of the end.
  • Manning's pick inside the redzone on their subsequent possesion didn't do anything to calm those fears.
  • Crazy that there were only two possesions in the 1st quarter. In last year's Super Bowl, there were 10! Seemed like it was halftime just a few minutes after kickoff.
  • What's the deal with those people that are paid to look like they're having the time of their lives during the halftime show? Call me crass if you want, but those people scare me for some reason.
  • Reader TheMostViolentTeam pointed out to me in recent correspondence that last night's game was very well officiated. I didn't watch carefully enough to judge. Anyone agree with him? I surely don't want to hear any nonsense from Pats fans about the refs.
  • That was a disgusting catch by David Tyree on the game-winning drive. Disgustingly incredible. Not sure how you would describe that catch in words to someone who didn't watch the game. Manning deserves credit for giving his teamates opportunites to make plays, but really that was a 1-in-25 type catch. Giants don't win the game without that play, and you give Tyree the same exact situation over again, he most likely doesn't make that play. Incredible concentration, strength and athleticism by Tyree in the biggest of moments.  
  • Clearly the difference in the game was the play of the front 7 of the Giants, particularly the play of the pass rushers. Everyone knows their names by now and what they are able to accomplish disrupting the passing game without having to send an all out blitz. The player who I don't think gets enough credit, but who is a baller, is Justin Tuck. Frankly, he was more valuable than Eli Manning was last night. You're just not going to beat the Pats unless you have athletic pass rushers like Tuck and Umenyiora to harass Brady.

His name was mentioned on the site awhile ago, and he's worthy of more discussion this offseason, as he's exactly the type of player that the Steelers could use. Sure, he may be a tad undersized in the running game, but he just makes plays. Period. We could use some of that in the trenches. 2 sacks, 5 tackles, and a forced fumble. Good stuff.

  • If you've read the site long enough, you may be aware that reader steelerark is usually a great 'sound bite' when the subject is the Patriots, Ravens, or Atlanta Braves. Or when he's sounding off on irrational fans. Good rational comedy, and his Super Bowl diary hints that last night's game might have been the pinnacle of his rooting career. Outside of Steelers games of course. But have any of your nemeses ever fallen in just dramatic fashion as the Pats did last night? If you didn't like the Lakers in the Shaq-Kobe era, the Pistons series might have excited you, but whatever, that's the NBA. When you play best-of-7 series for nearly 2 months, it's just not that dramatic.

I digress. I think a healthy number of us were excited to see the Patriots go down. While it's only fair to recognize some of the incredible things they've accomplished this year, it's still downright impossible to cheer for a Bill Bellicheck coached team. Spygate or not. He's still totally unlikeable and uncouth. The image of him running off the field before time had expired was classic Bellicheck. There's some interesting shit going on in that man's brain. He's got serious psychological issues that manifest themselves in unbecoming ways on the field. From the adultery to the video taping, to the throwing camera men out of the way and fake congratulatory handshakes (if he bothers at all), and even the way he handles the media. It's all so classless.

Good riddance GRUMPelstiltskin. Cheaters never win, remember?

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You reap what you sow Pats fans
Finally the arrogance and defiance caught up to the Pats. The more and more stuff that came out (trademarking "19-0," pre-sale of a 19-0 book, releasing the parade rout) the more I started to think the Pats were just too arrogant to put 100% in this game. It really made my night to see Billacheat leaving the field early in that stupid cut-up hoodie.

Did anyone expect the Giants to get that much pressure on Brady? Wow, Brady had to have his head on a swivel because they just kept coming all game long. He probably had to leave the hall light on last night for fear that Tuck was hiding in the corner ready to pounce.

David Tyree made the best catch for a guy I had never heard of before the game. For what it's worth he had more yards yesterday (43) than he had the entire season (35). What a time to have probably the best game of his 5 year career.

"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Feb 4, 2008 2:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

wow
Had no idea he had only gotten 35 yards for the season. THat'd be like Willie Reid making a game-chaning play for us in a SB.

by Blitzburgh on Feb 4, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pats Giants
Brady and the other Manning have offically switched places.  Brady put up ridiculous stats all year and has the most talented offense in the NFL, but completely choked in the Super Bowl, whereas Peyton put up modest stats with half his offense on IR and did everything he possibly could to keep games close and win at the end, and was ultimately undone by WR's that couldn't hold onto the ball and a defense that totally blew it.  Manning was the bigger team player this year.  

The Pats came so close to losing so many times this year (IND,BAL,PHI,SDG), but the other team just couldn't quite get it done.  To see Brady blow a Super Bowl, the OL get absolutely destroyed, Belicheck get outcoached and make some Tomlinesque (rookie) decisions, and the Pats be overconfident and blow it, it was easily in my top 5 favorite sports moments.  I knew teams could beat them, but it was just so unexpected to see it actually happen.   With any luck, Samuel, Moss, and Stallworth will leave, all the old players will hang on a few more years and get slower, and the whole dynasty will implode because Eli Manning looked like Ben Roethlisberger and David Tyree looked like Marvin Harrison.  Hey, it could happen.

Two other notes:
I didn't notice the officiating at all, so in other words, it was outstanding, especially when compared to the rest of the playoffs.

Rodney Harrison was in roughly every play.  I don't know if it was because he was easy to throw against or if he just knew where the ball was going to be, but it seemed like he made about 30 tackles.  

by BadMaafala on Feb 4, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Brady
One more thing for everyone who wanted to see what Brady would look like behind our OL, you got your wish: 29-48, 266, 1 TD, 0 INT, 82.5 rating

by BadMaafala on Feb 4, 2008 2:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah OLine got abused
And color me officially petrified of what that defensive front may do to us next year when we play.

by Blitzburgh on Feb 4, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no, I hadn't even thought of that
I'll start praying now for our OTs (whoever they end up being) to somehow keep Ben alive during that game.
"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Feb 4, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

be more worried about the Guards
because Justin Tuck threw Logan Mankins (supposedly one of best guards in the league) around like a 10-year old child.   but also remember the Giants front four is great, but won't play with that intensity in a regular season game.  

by TheMostViolentTeam on Feb 4, 2008 3:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Belichick outcoached
Maybe this was one of the most talented teams ever assembled, but didn't this season seem so much different than the previous Pats teams?  They blew teams out rather finishing tight games, as in the past.  Then, they get to the SB, and all of the sudden, they look downright average.  I still would like to know how much of their success was because of some unfair advantage.  When is the last time we heard of Belichick getting outcoached?  It always seemed like he was a genius figuring out what the opponent was doing before they did it, disguising his defenses, getting that key INT when needed, making all the right adjustments.  Was it because of Spygate?

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 4, 2008 4:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pats
I can't wait to see how the latest accusation against the Pats plays out (taped the final practice before the Rams Super Bowl). Considering thier 3 Super Bowl wins were by a combined 9 points it wouldn't have taken much of an advantage to turn win into a loss.
"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Feb 4, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too
I'm looking forward to it as well.  And, now that the government is getting involved, there is a greater likelihood of a serious investigation being completed (not that government's never covered anything up, but those are to cover themselves, not someone else).  I really want to know about that Rams walk through, and I would like to see what the former Pats video employee has.  There are just so many reasons to believe that they were cheating to win those three SBs, like Belichick's record with the Browns, the unlikely upsets of the Steelers and Rams in 2001, the unusually large number of close wins in 2003 and 2004.  They seem like the team just knows how to finish games.  But, then they get caught red-handed cheating?  It all seems more suspicious at that point.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 4, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Never sure now
Yeah, I've gotten to the point with the Pats that every time they pick up a blitz really well I think, "Hmm... Wonder if they saw the signal coming in and alerted brady before the radio in his helmet went out."  Then when i watch a game like the SB and Brady looks surprised as hell when someone came from an unexpected position, I think: "Good for the Giants...  Way to change up your signals but still use the old ones in there too to make them believe they still have them."  Kind of outfoxing the fox.  Have the signals sent in using hand signals but have a player report in with a different call, that kind of stuff.  

by Chicago Steeler on Feb 5, 2008 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What else did they do?
I also wonder what else they did to cheat.  It's already been established that Belichick will break rules, even after league warnings to try to gain an advantage.  What other things had they done that are not known?

Or, if they are not doing well, what are they not doing anymore that the league never revealed?

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 5, 2008 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Much like Blitz
Blitz, I pretty much had the same attitude to the game as you.  I was going to just skip the game, but I did see some of it at the in-laws.  Then, after we got the kids in bed, I came down and saw the final drive for the Giants.  I also expected a Pats win, partially because I don't believe they've stopped their cheating (maybe Goodell came at them, quietly, again after Specter's deal).  But, I must say, it was awesome to see the end of the game.  I will, of course watch the NFL Replay so I can re-live the Pats defeat again. :)

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 4, 2008 4:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I dvr'd
it and spent the first three quarters fast forwarding thru the game, stopping to watch the commercials.  I usually despise over-hyped things(Amercan Idol, Survivor, celebs like britney), and I had zero desire to watch this game because there was no way I could take the way the media talks about them.  Throw in the fact that I couldn't care less about the Giants, and I almost didn't even tape the game.  The wife wanted to watch the commercials.  But I caught up to real time with 1:59 left in the 4th, just the right time to watch.

by steelerark on Feb 4, 2008 6:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thought about DVR
I thought about doing the same thing, just to see the commercials, but I was at the in-laws and didn't decide to until too late.  Well, I'm recording the NFL Replay to relive the demise of 19-0. :) I guess the commercials won't be the same, though. :( Oh, well.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 5, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A few random points.
Contrary to what a lot of people are saying, Brady didn't choke at all. He simply was decimated by an unexpectedly strong Giants pass rush that didn't give him the time in the pocket he's used to. How many times has Brady been sacked five times in a game this season? Probably not at all (though I'm too lazy to look it up).

Welker in the slot has been Brady's escape route all year when facing a strong pass rush, and yesterday was no exception (11 rec, 103 yards). Fortunately, it wasn't enough.

There certainly was nothing to complain about regarding the officiating. I think they did a good job, but there weren't exactly any controversial calls. I'm really surprised, though, that a the non-call of 12 men on the field was even reviewable. And I definitely have to give credit to the Pats' back-office staff for catching that, as well as the genius question of "If the 12th man is in the air, jumping off the field when the ball is snapped, is that a penalty?"

Yes, Tyree is definitely the hero of the day. Steve Smith is really developing as a receiver as well (although that interception he essentially caused wasn't exactly his greatest moment). Given how often he was dropping the ball this season, it's nice to see he's turning into the receiver the Giants were hoping for. Overall, the Giants receiving corps did a hell of a job (how the heck did Toomer stay in bounds on that long reception?).

Overall, Belichick not only got outcoached, but he made no meaningful halftime adjustments whatsoever. His end-of-game behavior was pathetic, to say the least. It's good to know my continuous dislike of the Patriots remains justified.

by HinesField on Feb 4, 2008 6:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

observations
Toomer got away with a push off to the DB's facemask on that long catch but that was just about the only call that seemed to have been missed. There were a couple of fumbles that might have gone either way but hard to argue with what refs find at the bottom of a pile. Great job by the officiating crew especially Carey for not blowing the whistle while Manning was being slung around two or three times before throwing the pass to Tyree. Some refs might have blown it dead thinking he was in the grasp to save him from being slung down to the ground.

Both teams made defensive adjustments from their earlier game in Week 17. The  Pats' defense actually played pretty well, coming up with an INT, a stop for a field goal and a forced punt on three NY drives into scoring range in the first three quarters.  Can't blame Harrison on the Tyree catch and he had a great game, much as i can't stand him. Made a big hit on Toomer I believe on a third-down pass, keeping him from getting a first down. Samuel barely missed deflecting the TD pass to Tyree and made a great tip of a long pass to Burress in the end zone. The Giants made a lot of great catches with DBs right on them, starting with the first drive of the game.  Even the long pass to Boss was well-covered, just a great pass and catch. They only blown coverages I can remember were the last two passes, to Smith on 3rd and 11 and the TD pass.

It's tough to make coaching adjustments when your offensive line can't block or pick up a blitz. Just ask Mike Tomlin and Bruce Arians. Everyone on that offensive line was abused at different times. Light the LOT looked like he was in a daze, picking up two false start penalties and playing like a turnstile. Maroney didn't have much room to run even when he was given the ball, so I don't think a shift to a power running game was going to change anything. The only real criticism I had of Belichick (aside from leaving the game early!!!! and being his usual charming, arrogant self in post-game) was not going for a field goal with the score 7-3.  It would have been a 49-yarder and was definitely worth a shot considering the low score late in the third quarter. Brady didn't have a lot of open receivers even when he did have time to throw. He threw a lot of non-catchable passes to guys who were well-covered, including that strange pass to the end zone on 4th and 13.

I think you have to chalk this one up to a great defensive effort by the Giants and a few big plays.  The Patriots were simply outplayed by a team that wanted it more than they did, especially in the trenches. If their arrogance contributed to a lack of preparation, that just makes it all the sweeter.

by steeler lifer on Feb 4, 2008 8:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Belicheat and adjustments
I was surprised that they didn't make more adjustments that they did. It seems like (and this is an slightly intoxicated memory) that they threw more short check down passes in the second half but still just tried to throw bombs when they needed to make plays. The one that sticks out in my memory the most was the 4th and 13 when Brady threw a bomb into the endzone (I still think they should have tried to kick it). If they were hard headed enough to try deep plays like that they should have kept in an extra blocker or two. I also didn't understand thier play calling on the final drive with 30 seconds left. They had timeouts so they could afford to work the middle of the field or deep outs but instead they just had Brady throw a couple of bombs. I guess I just expected more from a 'coaching genius.'
"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Feb 5, 2008 9:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is why
the Quarterback position is overrated by the media, yes it's probably the most important, but media heads make it seem like the end-all be all.  when faced with ACTUAL pressure, Brady is no better than any other QB.  heck I would take Roethlisberger over Brady when he is actually getting hits put on him.  people say Brady handles blitz/pressure well, and he does, but that's entirely different than actually getting hit.  there are quarterbacks who handle getting sacked a bunch of times in a game better than Brady is my point.  if Manning choked against the Steelers when we beat the Colts (Manning was sacked several times in that game) than you can also fairly say Brady choked.  the fact is, neither really choked, just they aren't good QB's when they get hit alot because they need rhythm.  they can't go from ice-cold to scorching-hot (like favre, romo, big ben) can in a game where they are being hit.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Feb 4, 2008 6:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

good point
The old cliche stood out in this game - 'a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.'

The Pats OL didn't give this team much of a chance to win but the coaching staff didn't make many adjustments either.

"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Feb 5, 2008 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pats in 2008
So I was checking out who are free agents for the Pats this offseason and they've got six significant players who will be unrestricted, Randy Moss, Asante Samuel, Randall Gay, Bruschi and Seau.

With the age of Bruschi and Seau (35 & 39 respectively) it wouldn't be a shock it one or both are gone in the offseason. It's expected that Samuel will test free agency and get a boat load of money elsewhere. Gay is a young player that the Pats can probably retain. Moss is the biggest question mark because he's already come out and said he'd like to retire a Patriot (but who cares they all say that). The real question is whether or not he'll accept below market value after a record breaking season. The Pats, much like the Steelers, rarely pay top dollar contracts to guys on the wrong side of 30. It's also worth mentioning that Stallworth is due a $6 million dollar bonus in the offseason so it wouldn't be a big shock if he's cut, I seem to remember some saying when he signed that it looked like a 1 year deal.

It's not a huge stretch to think this Pats team could look much different in 2008.

"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Feb 5, 2008 10:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

franchise moss
They can get another year out of Moss by franchising him, which gives him a big raise and probably enough stats to sign one last big deal somewhere else in 09. They won't miss Stallworth (Gaffney is not bad) so he's gone. The O-line is relatively young and Moroney is there and there's been no hint that Faulk won't come back. The offensive personnel won't be much different but there are not going to replicate this past season. Everyone they play will be better prepared. Defense is the trouble spot. Samuel is gone and even if Seau and Bruschi come back, they'll be one year older and slower. Same with Harrison. Hobbs is not first-rate so they'll have some work to do in the secondary, which had its problems. The D-line has some good young guys but they had problems stopping the run at times this year. Overall, offense might not be much worse but the defense is headed downhill. And every team they play will enjoy bringing a little payback.

by steeler lifer on Feb 5, 2008 10:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Stallworth
Very true that Stallworth didn't have a very productive season but I think his greatest asset was being decent enough to allow Welker to run crazy from the slot. I'm not sure he does the same thing from a #2 role and probably gets more attention if Gaffney is the #2. Either way though you're right their real problem is on defense. That unit is getting old and they'll have one early pick to get a stud ILB or CB but they need some fresh bodies behind thier DL.
"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Feb 5, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What's their cap situation?
I know they usually run under the cap (another in a list of odd things about their SB runs), but they went after Adalius Thomas last year, plus bringing in all of the receivers.  Will they be able to afford Moss as Franchise player?

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 5, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pats Cap
According to www.patscap.com, the Pats have about $5 mil in cap space, which is basically nothing.  Who knows whether the site is right, though.  Also, Stallworth could be cut for some hefty additions to that total, while the number doesn't include tenders for RFA's, signing any of the UFA starters they are losing (Moss, Bruschi, Samuel, and Seau), or signing this year's draft picks (which at #7 overall could be significant).  

So no, they shouldn't be able to franchise anyone.  Their defense could be really lousy next year, and if they lose Moss, they could be a 10-6 team.  

by BadMaafala on Feb 6, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i mostly agree
Although considering the divison they play in, I don't think they could lose 6 games. They could be a deceivingly beatable 12-4 though for sure.

by Blitzburgh on Feb 6, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought they were close to cap
after all of the new additions last year.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 6, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

schemes vs. physicality
the Pats usually out-scheme their opponents, but scheme doesn't matter when you simply beat whoever you have one on one.  and that's what the Giants did to them.  that's why the Steelers have been successful for so long, without necessarily always having the best games, they just rely on being the most physical and strongest in the trenches, and then it comes down to execution, and scheme doesn't matter nearly as much.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Feb 5, 2008 1:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Physical play
I had thought that the Steelers just needed to run it down the Pats throats in '01 and '04.  It was a few turnovers that killed us in both games.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 5, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

turnovers
are a part of execution.  

by TheMostViolentTeam on Feb 5, 2008 6:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I should have said interceptions.
Turnovers are a part of execution, but my point was this:  What if the Pats cheated and knew where the ball would be thrown?  IIRC, in each game, we had 3 interceptions.  And, for some reason, the Patriots always seemed to do better the second time they saw a QB.  If you just physically beat up the other team, run it down their throats, there's really no answer they would have to that.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 6, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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