New Prospective Draft List
Bumped. steeler lifer brings the goods again.
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About a month ago I did some speculation on how the 08 Draft picture looked for the Steelers. Mostly it was for self-education, trying to familiarize myself with good prospects and how the Steelers may approach the draft. It quickly became apparent that this will be a very challenging draft year for the Steelers. They have only six picks and a relatively late draft position. They need to focus on big bodies for the trenches (as per Tomlin's post-season assessment), but also on guys with speed and toughness who can contribute on special teams.
That is still the situation, but some things have changed. With the results of the combine, the start of free agency and a firmer consensus about the best prospects, I decided to go through the assessment of draft prospects again to see what the Steelers might now do. Granted, there is a lot that can and will change before the draft. This is idle speculation on the type of players who seem to fit the Steelers.
As before, I did a draft scenario with the current picks, and one scenario that included a prospective trade. While many fans want the Steelers to trade down, this is not easy to do. Someone else has to want to move up, to grab a player that makes enough of a difference to compensate for the loss of two or three picks. For the Steelers to move down, someone else has to be in love with a prospect that has been bypassed by 22 other teams. But it could happen in regard to projected second-half first-rounders like SS Kenny Phillips, CB Aqib Talib, WR James Hardy, WR Devin Thomas, LB Dan Connor, DT Kentwan Balmer and QB Brian Brohm. They're all excellent prospects who are not likely to be available past No. 40 overall.
In this case I finally settled on Minnesota as the trading partner. They have a total of 10 picks, including an extra third-rounder. They are an improving team with a few specific needs. With a few judicious impact picks, they could compete for a division title. So the deal goes down as the Steelers sending their first-rounder to Minnesota for picks in the second round (No. 47), third round (73) and fourth round (113-plus for compensatory picks). Believe it or not, that still leaves Minnesota owing Pittsburgh a mid-fifth-round pick (according to the Value Chart), but it seems so unreasonable that I put it over to 2009. Plus, being nice to the Vikings might make it more likely to happen.
As before, I used NFL Draft Scout and NFL Draft Countdown as the two main sources of player ranking. I went through other mock drafts to make sure I wasn't totally out of line with general consensus, thus excluding many guys who might very well be available on the real draft day. I tried to be reluctantly pessimistic rather than cautiously optimistic about the availability of Player X.
I identified team needs as follows:
- Center
- OT
- Defensive End
- Special Teams
- Wide Receiver
One other note. There will be a number of references to guys testing well at the Combine or their Pro Days. The Combine is often criticized because it seems to get more attention than it deserves, but it's an important evaluation. The Combine doesn't tell you if a guy is a good football player. Teams can see that on game film. But it does give teams an idea of a player's athleticism, preparation skills and mental acuity. Those factors help determine the extent to which a player can improve. All of these guys will have to improve to be successful at the NFL level.
MOCK DRAFT A
(Using Current Picks)
- OG-OT Branden Albert (Virgina, 6-6, 309)
- OC Mike Pollak (Arizona, 6-4, 301)
- DL Red Bryant (Texas A&M, 6-4, 318)
- LB Gary Guyton (Georgia Tech, 6-2, 245)
- DE Brian Johnston (Gardner-Webb, 6-5, 276)
- FS Corey Lynch (Appalachian St, 6-1, 204)
MOCK DRAFT B
(Current Picks, No top O-lineman Available)
- DT Kentwan Balmer (North Carolina, 6-5, 308)
- OT Duane Brown (Virgina Tech, 6-4, 315)
- ILB Philip Wheeler (Georgia Tech, 6-2, 248)
- OL Jeremy Zuttah (Rutgers, 6-4, 303)
- WR Adarious Bowman (Oklahoma St, 6-3, 223)
- FS Corey Lynch (Appalachian St, 6-1, 204)
MOCK DRAFT C
(Trade Down with Minnesota)
- OT Carl Nicks (Nebraska, 6-6, 325)
- OC Mike Pollak (Arizona, 6-4, 301)
- DL Red Bryant (Texas A&M, 6-4, 318)
- WR Jordy Nelson (Kansas, 6-3, 217)or WR Jerome Simpson (Coastal Carolina, 6-2, 200)
- FB Owen Schmidt (West Virginia, 6-2, 247)
- LB Gary Guyton (Georgia Tech, 6-2, 245)
- DE Brian Johnston (Gardner-Webb, 6-5, 276)
- FS Corey Lynch (Appalachian St, 6-1, 204)
CONCLUSIONS
The big question is what the Steelers will do if all the top O-line prospects are off the board by No. 23. Do they reach for the next best OT prospect (probably Cherilus), take the best athlete athlete (perhaps Balmer, CB Aqib Talib or WR James Hardy) or trade down. I doubt they would reach for an OT in the first round if a better DL prospect is still available. There's no doubt in my mind that trading down could produce a better draft than by standing pat, even with picking a premium OL like Albert. Another problem is at Center. This is considered a poor crop of centers, but taking a guy with conversion potential seems like a bigger gamble than taking a guy who at least played the position fairly well in college.
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Now that i got that out, i can think a little rationally, as much as i like Mock draft C, i would be pretty disappointed if the steelers traded their first round pick, yes i know the L-men are deep this year, but i feel we need an impact blocker/pass protect linemen ASAP. Hopefully we can find that person from within, but having someone with a potential to play at a high level right away, only betters our odds to have that type of player next year.
In conclusion, If we can get that one impact player on the line, and i mean really beating the crap out of the defense i feel alot of the players around him will follow. This sort of happen to New England, with Matt Light, he was that beast and everyone just kind of looked up to him and played better than they ever though they were capable, now look at the patriots they have one of the best Oline in the league. Imagen, steeler fans if we can have an Oline like that, oh man , we be unstoppable.
by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on Mar 14, 2008 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
am i the only one
by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on Mar 14, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never too much Schmidt
by smashmouthsteel on Mar 14, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good work Lifer
Mock B is a little more worrisome because there is no Center taken but I think we could be dismissing Stapleton who may be the future Center already on the roster. We just don't know about him because we haven't seen much and the Steelers aren't saying.
The only question/issue is regarding a trade. I think you are basing this on the Vikes giving up their compensatory picks. I don't believe they are picks you can trade. Did I read wrong?
by 5020 on Mar 14, 2008 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice work lifer
Something else worth considering is what a draft would look like if we grabbed the BPA (assuming it's not an OL). There will probably be someone better than Balmer at #23, so what do we do if that's the case? Obviously, we're not going to know who it is until it's our turn in the draft, but it'd be interesting to consider some possibilities. Looking at the numbers, there'a good chance it could be a OL or CB, which would both be welcome in my book. On the other hand, there's a good chance we could get stuck with a WR, which isn't really a big need at all. It will be interesting to see.
by BadMaafala on Mar 14, 2008 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Duane Brown
by cgolden on Mar 14, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Room to improve
by BadMaafala on Mar 14, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corey Lynch
He definitely looks like a guy who could create some havoc on special teams.
by cgolden on Mar 14, 2008 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
looks like
by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on Mar 14, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Centers
The contribution of Mahan last year at center was not up to their expectations and needs to be upgraded. This can be done either through the draft or free agency.
The best center in the draft (Pollak) is rated a 2nd round choice and even then is still an unknown. According to "Draft Daddy" there are several decent "youngish" centers still available in the FA pool (Brett Romberg-Rams, Gene Mruczykowsi-Fins, Matt Lehr- Bucs, Mike Pucillo-Skins and Wade Smith-Jets and older ones (Casey Wiegman-Chiefs, John Wade-Bucs and Andy McCollum-Rams).
Depending on their health and of course cap space availability getting a decent center in FA would give the Steelers a great deal of maneuver room in the draft allowing them to get the BPA (especially the OL) with or without trading down. It would also allow development time for Stapleton or a new center obtained in the draft.
I don't know what the Steeler FO is doing, but I sure hope they are doing all that is necessary to get a good center in house or preferably through FA.
by manchesterheights on Mar 14, 2008 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Center possibilities
by steeler lifer on Mar 14, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown, other questions
The pick of Brown indeed seems high but Draft Scout has him rated as a late second, early third-round pick (No. 9 OT overall) with Benedict ranked No. 12 as a 3-4 rounder http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=OT&draftyear=2008&sortorder=tsxpos&a mp;order=ASC . When Brown was ranked strictly as a third-rounder (which he had been until recently), my Mock B had been Balmer-Pollak-Brown. Balmer-Pollak-Benedict is a better scenario than the one I chose for Mock B in terms of OL, but I wanted to try to fit in a top ILB prospect like Wheeler.
Badmaafala, I don't think Balmer would be a reach, or at least not much of one. He's been consistently ranked as a first-rounder and this is late in the first round. However you're right in that someone ranked higher will probably drop and be available. Impossible to say who that might be but I don't see the Steelers taking a CB or WR if a legitimate first-round lineman on either side of the ball is available.
As much as possible I stuck with Best Player Available. My ground rule was that I couldn't pick Player X in a round later than what he was rated by NFL Draft Scout. The only player I reached for based on ratings was LB Guyton in the fourth round. He is rated a fifth-rounder. I could have picked OLB Ezra Butler but he missed all-star games and the combine because of injuries. He's also more of a standup DE than a true OLB and played in a weaker conference than Guyton.
5020's question about compensaory picks: the fourth-round draft slot from Minnesota (113-plus for compensatory picks) is just a reference that the pick will actually be lower than 113 because of compensatory picks that have yet to be awarded at the end of the third round. The league should be announcing all compensatory picks later this month.
by steeler lifer on Mar 14, 2008 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is my April 26-27 Dream Weekend
"With the 38th pick in the NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select Gosder Cherilus, Tackle, Boston College."
"With the 49th pick in the NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select Sam Baker, Guard, University of Southern California."
"With the 55th pick of the NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select Mike Pollack, Center, Arizona State University."
With the 87th pick of the NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select Red Bryant, Defensive Tackle, Texas A&M University."
"With the 119th pick of the NFL Draft, the Pisstburgh Steelers select Owen Schmidt, Fullback, West Virginia University."
"With the 151st pick of the NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select Frank Okam, Nose Tackle, University of Texas."
"With the 183rd pick of the NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select Adarius Bowman, Wide Receiver, Oklahoma State University."
Of course, that will change, but I like the conversation...Thanks to Lifer for the effort.
by maryrose on Mar 14, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
owen
by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on Mar 14, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta may soon have three 2nd round pics
An ESPN story (link below) indicated a high POSSIBILITY that the Falcons are trading CB DeAngelo Hall to the Raiders for their 2nd round draft pick, which is 6th in the 2nd round.
This makes it pretty cozy for the dog-beating Falcons to make a trade like this, maryrose. Here's hoping.
Bummer is, I would guess that the Atlanta Puppy Killers could now make this trade with any team, comfortably. And maybe even trading two low 2nd rounders for a higher 1st round pic.
I don't know what Atlanta's needs are, besides an ASPCA-approved quarterback and now a CB too.
But supposing Falcons want to keep a high 2nd round pick, what other teams are likely to trade down as maryrose is suggesting?
by betelgeuse on Mar 15, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta draft picks
Buffalo is another team that might want to target a big WR. They're an improving team with needs at CB, LB and WR. Two first-round picks could fill two of those needs with impact players. If they draft a CB with their 11th pick, and wanted Hardy at 23, they would have to give up picks in the second round (41), third round (71) and fifth round.
by steeler lifer on Mar 15, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good info Lifer
That could work also. So we just happen to be sitting at the spot where a franchise quarterback and the best wide receiver (or one of the top few) happen to be available, and the Falcons happen to have a bunch of picks in their pocket.
The chemistry for trade might be there.
by maryrose on Mar 16, 2008 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Falcons
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 17, 2008 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just for the mock of it
I like that trade with the Falcons so I'll copy the 'rose and use the same trade senerio.
2-38th - Baker OT USC
2-49th - Jonathon Goff LB GT
2-55th - Pollack C ASU
3-87th - Kendall Langford DE Hampton
4-119th - Paul Hubbard WR Wisconsin
5-151st - Okam DT UT
6-183rd - Lynch FS App State
by cgolden on Mar 14, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Goff
by Romain El 82 on Mar 14, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Balmer and Benedict
As for Benedict, I didn't notice he had fallen so far and Brown had risen so far on NFL DS. I don't know why exactly that would be unless Brown is just the hot mock draft commodity right now. I think they're similar players. Benedict just strikes me as more of a football player, while Brown strikes me as more of an athlete. If we could get either in the 3rd, unless we had already drafted a LT, I'd take them.
by BadMaafala on Mar 14, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great stuff
by TheMostViolentTeam on Mar 14, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post!
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 15, 2008 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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