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Steelers Fans: Fear the Browns? A Framework for Discussion on Cleveland's Wheeling and Dealing

Thanks to maryrose for jumping out in front of this late last week with a prescient diary on the state of the Browns. Well, after the weekend, there's even more fodder worthy of discussion with our loveable losers along Lake Erie. Here's a brief synopsis of what the Browns did during the first week of free agency:

Players Retained:
Derek Anderson (3 years, $24 million, $14.5 mil guaranteed)
Jamaal Lewis (not sure of terms)
Nick Sorensen (3 years, $2.5 million)

Players Acquired:
Donte Stallworth (7 years, $35 million, $10 mil guaranteed)

Players Acquired Via Trade:

Corey Williams - via trade with Packers for 2008 2nd Round draft choice; 6 year deal, terms not yet disclosed, but reportedly in the $30-$40 million range with $15-$20 of that guaranteed

Shaun Rogers - via trade with Detroit for 2008 3rd Round draft choice and starting CB Leigh Bodden

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Ok, let's work our way through this. I'll throw a few thoughts out there, but as always, jump in and fill in the blanks. My thoughts:

1) Good, good move to keep Anderson around. Anderson may or may not have the cerebral prowess necessary to be great, but he sure has the physical gifts: the cannon for an arm, the heighth to see over opposing linemen, and good enough feet to break contain and throw on the run. And for those who think he's too much of a gambler and too careless with the football? You may be right, but it's too early to say with any certainty. He's only 24 years old mind you, and 2007 was his first full season as a starter. As for his accuracy? Sure there's question marks, and I said as much here on 'Curtain after our second meeting with the Browns. Remember though, Cleveland's offense is designed to be a 'homerun', big-play offense, not a dink and dunk timing oriented scheme that requires your QB to throw the ball at a 60-65% clip. Final thought: I can't wait to see how the Browns handle this one. If they are wise, they give Anderson through '09 to show what he's got. Can you imagine if the Steelers pulled the plug on Big Ben after '06? Granted, we didn't have a 1st round draft choice waiting in the wings like the Browns do. It could be a tough year for all of the AFC North, as I outlined in a review of the 2008 schedule. What will they do if the Browns go 7-9 or 8-8 and miss out on the playoffs again by just a game or two?

2) No comment on this Soresen guy. He was cheap, and is apparently a special teams ace. I have no idea if he'll be able to be a starter in their secondary, a unit that was obviously one of the weaker links of their squad last year.

3) It's hard to evaluate the Jamal Lewis signing without first knowing the specifics of the contract, but my initial thought is that they will regret this one. Lewis had a great year in '07, proving to his naysayers that his career was far from over. Without having to deal with some of the injuries that slowed him down during his final two years in Baltimore, Lewis was able to run for 1304 yards and 9 TDs on 298 carries, good for a 4.4 average. His 216-yard outburst against Cincinnati inflated those numbers a bit, but heck, he did gain the yards, and he was generally a very consistent producer for the Browns' rushing attack in 2007. However, it was a contract year. Never underestimate the power of a contract year. Now, not all money is guaranteed in the NFL like it is in the NBA and MLB. So, Lewis can't just disappear off the face of the earth, but let's be real here. This will be Lewis' final big payday in his career. There's very little money left on the table for him to go out there and earn. Will he do the same things he did to get himself in great shape this past year going forward? Will he fall back into some of the same behavioral patterns that landed him in jail while a Raven? Who knows, but it's in play, at least, in my opinion.

4) The Donte Stallworth deal is the one that I suspect many people will have a strong opinion on. I'll be brief here and see what you guys have to say. Two things: yes, it's a LOT of money for a player who's now on his 4th team in 4 years. But, the contract is fairly back-loaded so it's not quite as gaudy as it might seem upon initial thought. However, if you pay Donte Stallworth that kind of money, what do you have to shell out to keep Braylon Edwards and Kellon Winslow Jr. when they hit the open-market in '10? Winslow, who had to renegotiate after his motorcylce accident, is already grumbling about wanting a new deal, and with super-agent assclown Drew Rosenhaus representing him, things will probably get ugly as soon as this summer. In short, I think the deal makes the Browns even more dangerous in the short-term, and the fact of the matter is that we're going to see plenty of marginally great players like Stallworth cash in like that in the future. But, Joe Jureviscious isn't getting younger, Winslow may leave for greener pastures if he doesn't get paid, and there's no telling how the QB situation will pan out.

5) All I've read and been told is that Corey Williams is a great guy and a fabulous football player. I typically don't invest much of my little free time watching the NFC North so honestly, I have little to say about him. I have heard that he's really the prize addition of the offseason for the Browns. For all the headlines that guys like Quinn, Anderson, Stallworth and Lewis may get, the fact is the Browns will not be competitive unless they can stop the run, shore up their pass defense, and well, basically just play much better on defense. Williams should help in that regard. Fill me in on this guy's ability and career up until this point.

6) And finally, Shaun Rogers. Another mercurial talent who has the ability to make Phil Savage look like a genius or a goat. Sure Rogers may have his problems with his weight, and there was the criminal incident to be concerned about in his past, but two things: A) He's only 27 years old and B) if Crennel can push the right buttons, he's still one of the 5-10 guys in the league that most offensive linemen will admit not being excited going up against on Sunday.

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Weigh in Steelers fans. Are we to be concerned about the Browns? I feel weird just typing that. But, they have a modicum of stability at the QB position (for now), a slew of weapons to catch Anderson's lasers, a vastly improved offensive line anchored by last year's first round selection Joe Thomas, and two legitimate forces on the defensive line.

The trade off though for such acquisitions? A compromised 2008 draft, gobs of guaranteed money on the books through the early years of the next decade, and a brewing QB controversy that must be handled adroitly if they are to make the next step forward in this window of opportunity they have created for themselves. As hard as it is to believe, the Browns are now relevant.

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thing i can find is Lewis signed a 3 year contract and the price tag has yet to be announced
* till next time wave those towels proud

by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on Mar 3, 2008 1:41 PM EST   0 recs

Browns a serious contender?
It does sound weird, especially since I wasn't around for the years when the Browns actually beat Pittsburgh.

Lewis' contract is a 3 year deal but I can't find for how much. He probably won't live out that deal but he's got at least one more decent year, especially if the OL is above average.

The DL has the potential to be electric now, but I have a question. Doesn't CLE play a 3-4 defense? What are they going to do with two stud DTs and are they switching back to a 4-3?

"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Mar 3, 2008 1:55 PM EST   0 recs

3-4 and 4-3
When we run our 3-4 defense, we expect Corey Williams to play defensive end and Shaun Rogers to take up the middle.

When we go to a 4-3 front on second- or third-down, depending on the game situation, Williams could  move inside along with Rogers.

All the while, our starting nose tackle the latter half of last season, Shaun Smith, will rotate in when Rogers gets fatigued (which you can imagine will be quite often).

Dawgs By Nature - Cleveland Browns Blog.

by ChrisPokorny on Mar 3, 2008 3:07 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

ahh ok
Thanks for the explanation. Hopefully for you guys, Romeo and a change of scenery can keep Rogers motivated instead at a local buffet.
"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Mar 3, 2008 3:18 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The Browns Glass: Half Empty or Half Full?
Maybe I'm old enough to remember their glory days of the 80s and even their 1964 title and glory days circa.

To say that the Browns will be the same old Browns simply based upon recent 15 years is flawed logic.  That was also said about the 1972 Steelers.  This is even more applicable in the NFL where we all play with the same marbles.

Of course, Browns fans are asking the same fundamental question we are:  Is the glass half empty or half full?

The half empty guys will say they are paying one quarterback too many, they lost their best defensive back, they have no draft picks of major impact, their 10-6 season was based on the same weak schedule we had, Stallworth is overrated and they paid too much for those two defensive tackles.

The half-full guys will say they have great quarterback insurance, Bodden was expendable, they simply had their draft early this year and have turned their achilles heel into a strength.  Though they may have a stronger schedule this year, it is still significantly weaker than the Steelers, who must play New England instead of Buffalo and San Diego instead of Denver.

So the Mistake-on-the-Lake folks are wondering the same things we are, in different ways.  Half empty or half full?  That's why they play the games.

by maryrose on Mar 3, 2008 3:07 PM EST   0 recs

From a Browns fans perspective...
First of all, I am a Browns fan just so we are clear on this.  
  1. I was not all that excited to have Derek Anderson return.  Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, but he can be hit or miss.  But Savage covered his backside and brought him back.  I guess you can never have too many good players around.
  2. Sorensen is strictly a ST guy.  A good one at that, but that's it.  The Browns seem to emphasize the ST.
  3. I like Jamal coming back, but I would look for the Browns to add a RB late in the draft this year.  The draft is fairly deep, so getting on in the 4th would not be out of the question.  If not this year, next year will have to happen.  I think that JLew has two good years left.  If I am correct his deal is heavy in the first two years and the third is a pseudo option year.  He turns 30 after the second year, a un-magical number of RB's.
  4.  The Donte' Stallworth deal has been reported as a 7 year 35 million deal, but it is actually a 5 year 22 million dollar deal.  Considering Bernard Berrian got almost twice that, I am willing to take a chance on a guy that is more suited to be a #2 WR.  Next year the Browns are anticipating that J.J. is retiring and the Browns will only have to fill the #3 WR slot and not the #2.  
  5.  I think that Corey Williams has the potential to be an impact guy.  He has great sack numbers from an interior spot, and will move outside in the 3-4.  Young, talented DL are hard to come by and the price was steep, but as you all know, the Browns DL was by far the worst in the league.  With the 56th pick in the draft, the Browns were not going to find a DL that would make the impact that Williams will.  
  6.  Like you said, boom or bust.  If Shawn is motivated, he is one of the five most talented DT in the NFL.  If he is not, he is a fat, lazy waste of roster space.  I think (hope?) that he will be ready to prove that the Lions made a mistake.  Romeo seems to get his players to play hard.  If he can be the Rogers of 2001-2005, the Browns will have a difference making DT that they have never had since Michael Dean Perry.  One a side note, Leigh Bodden was put in the trade because he was rumored to have wanted a new deal and the Browns were not going to ante up.
Overall, I think the Browns have closed the gap on the Steelers.  Caught them?  Maybe, I think the Shawn Rogers will be the deciding factor.  

Let's end on something we all can agree on.  F Ray Lewis...

by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 3, 2008 4:52 PM EST   0 recs

yes sir we can all agree on that
talk about going out with a bang
"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Mar 3, 2008 5:04 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

good stuff
Thanks for weighing in. Should be a fun rivalry for the foreseeable future.

As for your assesment about Williams..probaly a good point. It'd be hard to find that talent at that spot, but then again, Mr. Williams was a 6th round selection, so you never know.

Anyway, thanks for the follow up.

by Blitzburgh on Mar 3, 2008 5:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Good call on 6
Yeah... Rogers will likely be a question of motivation.  Problem might be the tough schedule of the AFC North this year.  With a few losses under his belt he's likely to care less, much like how he started hot with Detroit when they started hot and when the team started fading he did as well.  

Who knows if Romeo's a better players coach who can motivate him through losses...  But it's hard to take problem players onto teams that don't have a recent history of winning. No problem if teams are winning, every player likes playing on those teams.

by Chicago Steeler on Mar 3, 2008 6:15 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

My opinions FWIW
1. I think the Browns moves are pretty good on the surface. And I make that qualification only because I am not that familiar with their salary cap situation over the next few years.

Assuming that they are not mortgaging their salary cap future, I think the signings are solid for the most part. These guys are all relatively young, except for Jamal Lewis.

  1. Of all the additions, I think only Sh. Rogers has the potential to backfire. Stallworth should be a good complement to Br. Edwards and Ke. Winslow Jr. They fixed their o line last year and now they seem to be fortifying their d line. Seems like a good recipe to me.
  2. I will say that I'm not sold on Derek Anderson. I could see him going either way, as in turning into a bonified top 10 qb, or being somewhat of a 1 year wonder. But Brady Quinn isn't a bad insurance policy.
As a Steeler fan, I would hope that Derek plays well enough to hold onto the starting job until Quinn is eventually traded, but never really blossoms into a great qb. Let's say something along the lines of Trent Green in his Chiefs heyday.
  1. I don't know how much Jamal Lewis has left in the tank, but rb aren't that hard to find.
  2. I remember Michael Dean Perry. Man, he was a good player.

by steeler1275 on Mar 3, 2008 5:19 PM EST   0 recs

Trent Green?
I seem to remember him being one of the top 3-4 QBs in the league for about 4 or 5 years in KC.  Hopefully, he won't be quite that good.  Of course, we've been able to hold of the Bengals with Carson Palmer for the most part, so we'll see.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 5, 2008 12:14 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

WTF, just when you think the Brownies are learning
For some reason the Browns restructured Shaun Rogers' contract and gave him a fat (yea, pun intended) guaranteed payday. They agreed to a 6 year $42 million dollar deal with $20 million guaranteed. I know Rogers can be one of the best DTs in the league when he wants to be, but he can also turn into the biggest bag of nothing when he's not motivated. If I'm a Browns fan I'd rather see this guy playing under his current contract and make him prove that deserves a big contract. Instead though, now he set up for life. No reason to bust his ass other than to win and be great, and we all know that hasn't been enough to motivate him in the past.

Ok, I'm done ranting but since I'm a Steelers fan, I love this deal b/c he might be 400lbs by training camp.

"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Mar 5, 2008 2:50 PM EST   0 recs

AFC NORTH
It's going to be a good fight for the top spot this year.  Go Browns

by bereadawg on Mar 10, 2008 5:16 AM EDT   0 recs

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