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Bumped from the diaries. steeler lifer's batting average has been remarkably high on previous potential free agent signings and personnel decisions. Here's to hoping there's some magic left in his bat. Get it done Steelers! Photo and caption added by myself.

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Here's some background on the latest FA to visit the Steelers, former Dolphin G-C Rex Hadnot. I mentioned him briefly yesterday in the discussion about the Moore signing and lo and behold he is in Pittsburgh today.

Hadnot is 26, 6-2 and 325. Just finished his fourth year with the Dolphins. Parcells actually wants him back but probably only as a backup G-C since the signing of Justin Smiley. He apparently wants too much money and there was even speculation in Miami the Dolphins would franchise him, but clearly Parcells was looking in another direction. I don't think the oft-injured and inconsistent Smiley is a big improvement, if any.

Hadnot has actually had a decent 4-year stretch in Miami as a 6th-round pick in 04. He was drafted as a center but played the position only in his senior year at Houston. In Miami, he started a few games at guard his rookie year and several at guard in 05 before replacing injured Seth McKinney at center late in the season. Started all of 06 at center but then moved back to RG in 07 after the Dolphins drafted Samson Satele in the second round.


Hadnot shows the leverage and sheer strength against Ethan Kelly that was
rarely on disaplay from Simmons and Mahan last year

Overall, he's been one of the Dolphins better O-lineman in his three years of steady work. Some people might say that doesn't mean much, but the Dolphins line played well in 05 and actually was pretty decent for the first half of 07. Injuries and head coaching-OC changes have also had an impact. Hadnot had an excellent O-line coach in Hudson Houck for three years (05-07).

He is a big guy (6-2, 325), considered smart, a hard worker, nasty, agile for his size and somewhat of a team leader.  But he's also inconsistent, blows assignments and is not as strong as his size might indicate. I read numerous comments about him being thrown around by Warren Sapp in one memorably awful game, but he isn't the first center to have that happen to him. He seems to have regressed the past year and probably the fact the Dolphins drafted a center in 07 means they weren't happy with his play there in 06.

On the other hand, he might just need a change of scenery. I like his size, attitude and the fact he has played the position with at least adequate skill. He's not a conversion project. He's respected. If you go around the league, you'd swear that 20 teams are unhappy with their center. It's a position that gets very little respect. With the size of interior D-lineman in this era, and rotations throwing fresh bodies, center is an extremely tough position to play.

I've done a lot of research about veteran solutions to the Steelers' problems at center and there are simply no easy outs. Jeff Faine was probably the pick of the litter and he signed with TBay for six years, $37.5 mill including $12 mill in bonuses.

Hadnot is far from a perfect solution but I think there is a  chance he could respond to a new situation that is much more positive and stable than what he has experienced the last four years. He's probably asking for too much money but the longer he goes unsigned, the cheaper he will get.

In many respects Hadnot is similar to Max Starks in that he is a relative big guy for his position whose play has been inconsistent and skill-set is limited. Hadnot has some leadership skills that Starks has not displayed. I think RT is an easier position to fill than center, especially in this draft. I would rather spend $3-$4 mill on a Hadnot than approx. $4 mill on Starks.

Before hearing of Hadnot's visit to Pity, I had thought there was only about a 10 per cent chance of getting him. Now it might be 50-50, as Hadnot has already visited teams without a deal and might want to get something done at a discount.

I'd still expect us to draft a center, maybe targeting Rutgers T Zuttah as a conversion project. But Hadnot provides insurance and the versatility to play guard at probably a higher level than anyone on our current roster. The chances of drafting a good center in the late rounds are very slim. If you go through the last 5-6 years of the draft, it is filled with middle- to late-round centers who don't pan out, and many higher-drafted ones who bust or are turned into utility lineman.

Probably the best chance of improving our center position is to get better play from our guards. If Hadnot stays at guard then perhaps that will result in bettter play from Mahan. More likely, Hadnot is being targeted as a center.

The implications of a Hadnot signing could be dramatic for other guys on the roster. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of Simmons being traded and the Steelers eating his bonuses as dead money under next year's cap. Simmons would be a bargain for other teams, with four years left at a relatively low base salary. We could proably get a third- or fourth-round draft pick for him.

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If I remember correctly, the Dolphins running game was going good until Ronnie Brown got hurt. They also didnt surrender tons of sacks, at least early in the season for how awful they were. Any ideas if this guy is better suited for a ground game or pass protection?

by Michael Bean on Mar 5, 2008 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

sounds like a hell of a pass blocker
If Wikipedia is to be trusted, Hadnot only gave up 1 sack in three full seasons as a starter at Houston.
"You know who I want? William Wallace. That's who I'm looking for" - Bengals defensive line coach when asked who he was looking for in the draft

by cgolden on Mar 5, 2008 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

ineteresting
Exactly what I wanted to know. I'm assuming our revamped line will be more pass-protect oriented.

by Michael Bean on Mar 5, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Steelerlifer, keep it coming
I don't know much about Hadnot. He definitely fits the criteria that this team usually looks at when considering signing free agents. I'd be willing to sign him and give him a shot just because Mahan was so bad this past year, but I still believe this team needs to wrap up Starks.

Starks showed improved play this past year plus the ability to play LT. With the jury still out on Marvel Smith's recovery, I don't think you can afford to take that chance. We do have some options at center at the moment, with Simmons, Stapleton and Colon but we don't have as much at the tackle positions if we lose Starks.

However, I'm willing to give Hadnot a shot. The longer that Hadnot and Starks go without getting any action, then I think the better it is for the Steelers to have a shot at getting both. That goes the same for Eugene Wilson.

In order to do this, Starks will have to get signed to a long term deal, some other people's contracts will have to get redone and Cedric Wilson and possibly others will get cut.  

by datruth4life on Mar 5, 2008 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

On a roll Lifer
Hopefully this will work out as well. Thanks for the effort.

by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Mar 5, 2008 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

cap space
anyone know what our cap space is currently...I'm sue we don't have much room left?  

by 5goldenrings on Mar 6, 2008 12:32 AM EST reply actions  

Hadit not been for Hadnot
Hadnot is one strong bugger. He could push Mahan around with his 1 pube he has.

Hadnot = Center here. Like Hartings was.

Hadnot would be top 5 in the league for centres for strength. He is stronger than Dan Koppen from NE ... for examples sake.

Hadnot is quite quick / speedy, his size is perfect allowing the lanes in the middle of the field.

If we sign him we need perhaps an LT in this draft and that is all.

There is more pressure from you for Albert to perform than Rex Hadnot.

Hadnot can take Nose Tackles and strong DT's in a 4-3 1 on 1 freeing up blocking room for others, ideally never needing a HB / TE to chip would be great. No?

I would offer 5 yrs 19 million 8 million guaranteed.

He is worth it. Only to see Mahan and Simmons battle it out for the LG's spot. I would prefer Mahan than Simmons... at LG

And that says a lot about Simmons doesn't it Dale?

Ideally: Next Season.

Starks / Albert / Smith = LT

Colon / Albert / Mahan / Simmons = LG

Hadnot / Stapleton / Mahan = C

Kem / Simmons / Albert = RG

Smith / Starks / Colon = RT.

So If we get Hadnot we will need a LT early and a RT later in the draft. 4th Round. Guard and center = finalised.

Let's hope Albert can play left tackle Dale.

So: My draft with Hadnot signed is. If Landon Johnson and Eugene Wilson sign watch: *

  1. Hardy WR
  2. Nicks LT
  3. Godfrey CB * Cliff Avril WDE or RDE in our 4-3 sets.
  4. Duane Brown RT
  5. Silva FS
  6. Arman Shields WR
Superbowl bound.

People's assessment as to why the Steelers would want a player Miami does not want seem sourgrapes. Parcells wants a 'total rebuild'.

by scrabble on Mar 6, 2008 1:18 AM EST reply actions  

I say we TAKE HIM
Nothing could be worse than another year of Sean Mahan,.....but I think this is good news for another reason as well,....it shows that the front office is just as concerned as us about how bad our Center play has gotten. I always feared they would bury their heads and not give it proper attention,...especially since Tomlin didn't even fire our special teams coach (what the hell happened to accountability?)

I say we take Hadnot,....whatever his performance was last year I'm sure it was impacted by the rock bottom morale in the Dolphins locker room.

by coldsteel on Mar 6, 2008 8:21 AM EST reply actions  

agreed
that it's nice to see the front office addressing the issue proactively and even considering a small gamble on this guy. I'd rather see this than just hope the guys we had last year could improve.

by Michael Bean on Mar 6, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

We Should Not Have Hadnot Have a Contract
While I readily acknowledge that we have no good options at center, this doesn't seem like a good idea.  How is this different from Mahan?  It's someone else's C/G (if you can play 2 positions it's better, right?) that they drafted in the 6th round or something and don't particularly want anymore.  

If we cut/traded Mahan we would be on the hook for about $3.2 million this year.  If we cut/traded Simmons, we'd be on the hook for $6.28 million.  With all that money tied up in crappy linemen, we're going to give a bunch more money to someone who could possibly be (if we're lucky) 25% better?  That sounds like a certain team in the DC area...

Draft a center in rounds 2-4, and have him and Stapleton fight it out, or just make do with what we have.  I remain fully convinced that if we have Smith and Starks at T and Colon and Kemo/Albert at G, we'd be fine.  We should be looking to the future, not just looking for a quick fix.  

by BadMaafala on Mar 6, 2008 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

all good points
It's always fun to speculate about FAs. No player is perfect, so there is always a potential downside to accompany the upside. The Steelers will not significantly overpay for Hadnot, certainly not the $5 million his agent was reportedly seeking at one point. There is a scouting report on Hadnot at http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/03/05/scouting-rex-hadnot/ provided by J.J. Cooper. One way or another, I think we will know very quickly, probably within 24 hours, whether Hadnot is still in the picture. It won't be a tragedy if he isn't. But I think we can be sure the Steelers have evaluated the scenarios you've mentioned and decided they weren't entirely comfortable with them.

We have to pay for the mistakes that have been made on the O-line in regard to Simmons' extension, the Mahan signing and relatively poor drafting at that position. But if we can afford a guy who is 25 per cent better than one of our weak links, I think it's a good move. Hadnot is only 26, comes with a higher reputation and better resume than Mahan, and physically seems to fit the bill for our needs. It's almost certain that he will be a solid starting OL in the NFL for another five years-plus; apart from a few elite athletes in the draft, there are no guarantees that any of those prospects will be as successful. Even Day 1 picks are not a sure thing. But if he's asking too much, as is possibly the case, the Steelers won't sign him and they'll pursue other avenues.

The approach the Steelers are taking fits in with their tradition. They are trying to rebuild their depth chart before going into the draft with relatively young and-or cheap veterans so they can be focused as much as possible on the best athlete available. They tried that last year with Mahan and the fact they weren't successful doesn't mean they should stop trying. There's a good likelihood the BPA will be an O-lineman, but they can't be sure of that. With Faneca leaving, the depth chart is missing a starting guard. They've evaluated Mahan and realized they don't have a quality center. They have to be a little worried about Simmons. They've evaluated Kemo, tendered an offer, and will see if anyone wants him enough to force their hand.  In the meantime, it makes sense to sign a guy who is a young veteran solution to one of those problem areas. They didn't have a good third-down back or returner in the lineup, so they went out and got Moore. I still expect them to sign a cheap DL to replace Eason.

We're not in any danger of becoming the Redskins; we're just trying to fix a problem and give our franchise QB a chance to stay healthy and be successful for the duration of his contract.

by steeler lifer on Mar 6, 2008 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

signings
Yeah, I don't think we're in any danger of becoming the Redskins, but that doesn't make what they do work any better on a small scale.  I think you're right, it would be nice to have a decent young player at a reasonable price.  I think MeMo is the perfect example.  He signed with us at a much lower rate than I thought he would, though, and Hadnot has no reason to.  

We're right up against the cap as it is, and a large part of that is because of the Mahan/ Simmons signings.  We have a lot invested in them already, so if there's any chance that they will improve, it's in our best interest to give them that chance.  Mahan was adjusting some to center; most of his experience is at guard.  Simmons had a down year, and may be better if lined up on the left side or at center.  All that, and we don't have to restructure contracts and mortgage the future.  So sign 3rd down backs, special teamers, and safeties, but we'd better be damn sure Hadnot will be a significant upgrade next year at an affordable price, because starting offensive linemen aren't cheap.

by BadMaafala on Mar 6, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I can hear Tunch warming up now...
"had not Rex Hadnot been pushed back"...

I guess this would be a good signing.  They guy does not thrill me, but neither did the Jeff Hartings signing.  I agree with the board that signing him and Starks puts a bit less pressure on going into the draft needing two, but I still would like to see a mixture of OT, DE, and C--in no particular order--with our first three picks

by nerves of steel on Mar 6, 2008 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

All depends on the talent/productuion difference
I am not good at seeing a game or seeing trench players and assessing talent, unless it is a clearly obvious performance (e.g. James Harrison vs. Baltimore).

The Hadnot thing all hinges on whether he is really and clearly better than Mahan and Stapleton.  Smarter football people than I need to make that judgment.

If he is, then we need to make every effort to squeeze into the cap.  If not, then MaaFala is right; more of the same mediocrity doesn't help us, and in fact hurts us with the cap.

Does anyone on this board really have a good idea?  I confess I don't.

by maryrose on Mar 6, 2008 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

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