People do not understand
After calling a few of my Steeler buddies and my father, I am a bit upset on how they rated the steelers in this years draft. Most of them state that our picks were not what was expected nor what we needed. After trying to explain to them that the quality of players that we needed were not there when the steelers were on the clock we had to make the picks we had.
Rashard Mendenhall was the best player on the board hands down, any one that says anything different just go on youtube and watch this man/boy(he only 20) run over OSU and USC. He will be much like a M. Barber from the Cowboys got a tough mindset of hitting between the tackles hard. (isnt this willies weakness running between the tackles). Having willie and Mendenhall should make our line much better this year (as far as running the ball goes). Also I read about Mendenhall hes got a lot of miles left in him like willie did not really play much until recently so he should be healthy and ready for the physical demands of an NFL running back. Side note this guy could help us out on special teams as well, returning Kick offs and Punt returns. Him and Moore as kick returners sounds awesome and only time will tell if it can become one of the best in the league.
Our second pick with Limas Sweed couldn't of been a better choice, he fell to us so we took him. I personally love the guy he runs hard and seems to break out of the routs well. Hopefully tomlin and CO. can keep him in line when he is not on a football field alot of people compare him to Plex which is great but I want him to be compared to Plex as a football player not as a person. Hopefully he will not turn into the ego head case like Plex.
Davis and HIll are what i would like to call a shine or bust prospect. Both of them have great physical talent Hill is 6 foot 6 while Davis 6 foot 3 DE which is a bit small for a DE but because of steeler history I think tomlin will move him to a Backer and a 6 foot 3 line back is the ideal size for a line backer in the NFL today. I do not expect much from them next year, Davis may be a ST head hunter while Hill watches and learn the ropes. If we do not see Hill this year on OL that means one thing, the steelers starting OL are getting things done. To all those people out there that think we should of drafted a OL in the first round, why draft someone in the first round if they are not going to be playing this year. Why reach for a number 8 OL when in reality that person will have to sit out and learn. I much rather have the OL we have now than make a reach for a OL men that will never see a snap in 2008. Thus we get a guy like Hill that will take a few years and if everything goes well we can use our future draft picks on other needs in the future.
With the other picks we made with Dixon, Humpal and Mundy, they were value picks if there is one thing i do not agree with it would be Dixon. I feel we could of gotten an owen schmit but I knew that it would be unlikly since Tomlin has high hopes for Russell as our Full Back. The only thing I can think of why pick Dixon is to give us some insurance on the Sweed pick, because i think Dixon will be converted into a WR. Dixon himself has nice speed as well as some size thus if the Sweed pick falls through we can develop Dixon into being the next Hines ward, but only bigger and faster.
Thus I give the steelers an A, not because they drafted the players that they needed but because they refused to reach for anyone that was overvalued at their draft position. Since the steelers simply took the best players on the board in the first 3 rounds it gives our chance of having a successful draft a closer reality than reaching for some players that we "pray" and hope that they will be successful.
Lastly, for all you BTSC viewers please do not think that the Steelers blew it, much of needs to be tested but do not start doubting our steelers now after what some people call a failed draft just because we did not pick the players we needed. The steeler simply picked the players that gave them the best chance to have a successful draft which will make our beloved steelers successful for many years to come during and after the 2008 season. So let this draft sink in and give it a chance before you decide if this years draft picks were the correct and best choices.
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All good points
But I remind you of one thing: a sizable chunk of Steelers fans always hate the draft. Have for at least a decade straight now.
I actually think this looks like our best in at least 5 or 6 years. Time will tell, but I feel good about this one.
--PB--
by PB @ BON on Apr 27, 2008 11:18 PM EDT 0 recs
Yes
Great draft.. great.. cant wait for the season..
by smashmouthsteel on Apr 27, 2008 11:21 PM EDT 0 recs
Word ...
Good draft. I’d give them B+ to A-. I just wish they pick up a 3-4 DE. Other than that I fine with every pick including Dixon. The Steelers just upgraded their offense from mild hot to blazin’. Special teams looks like it will be better too. The number 1 defense was still the number 1 defense after injuries to key players including a shutout at home so I can’t complain. Free agency of undrafted rookies just began and the Steelers already signed a center. So there is still a lot more to come before the preseason. Schedule … what schedule!!?? I’m looking forward to the next season. Steelers said “My better is better than your better …”
by TomlinEra on Apr 27, 2008 11:30 PM EDT 0 recs
agree
You’ve got some great points here. I think there are more people that agree with you than not, though, because I don’t think that the Steelers would have done anything different even if they had four days to choose each pick. For the most part, at least.
Also, for those who disagree with their picks, listen to what Tomlin had to say about it… that the ridiculously great playmaking ability of our receivers and backs will help the OL more than anything else. Defenses are going to be too nervous to get anywhere near Ben! And who says that the draft is the only place to pick up some effective linemen?
I can’t wait to see what this season holds! The toughest schedule in the league will certainly help us out a ton when we get to the playoffs.
Brandona
by PrimantisStillersNAt on Apr 28, 2008 3:03 AM EDT 0 recs
I agree with the general premise that having those guys will help our O-line. But lets not ignore what happened to another team this past superbowl that had a ridiculous offense and an O-line that easily trumped ours.
by steelguy99 on
Apr 28, 2008 10:16 AM EDT
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always are draft haters
there is never a consensus guy, nor can there be
and so much of every pick is such a gamble.
Alot of fans have had it drilled in to them that the team needs o-line help, and so any day 1 draft without oline help would have been bad.
But the only way the steelers get day 1 oline help would be to reach or trade- both of which are wasteful in my opinion, and even then you don’t get a guarantee that albert or gosder or otah become anchors for the next 5 years.
Sam Baker was off the board- teams went into a crazy panic mode.
by vherub on Apr 28, 2008 9:57 AM EDT 0 recs
I heard about the Falcons taking Baker on the radio
here in Atlanta, and the guys on the radio thought it was a great move. But, everything we had seen showed Baker as a mid to late 2nd round. Cherilus was rated early second round, and we thought he would be a safe, slight reach for us at 23. Cherilus was gone by 17!
by WolfpackSteelersFan on
Apr 28, 2008 10:27 AM EDT
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completely agree
I didn’t want a RB in the first round at all, but when Mendenhall fell, they had no choice. They got the 2nd best RB in the draft and at least 5 picks later than anyone projected him. I would love to hear where he was rated overall on thier board. I can’t wait to hear Terry’s rant either, he loved Mendenhall.
Sweed was another case of simply not being able to pass him up. A first round grade at the end of round 2 is a simple pick. I’d much rather have picked him then a project at OT, and I was one of the loudest voices wanting several OL & DL picks.
by cgolden on Apr 28, 2008 10:11 AM EDT 0 recs
Mendenhall
steelerark won’t like this, but Mayock had Mendenhall rated above McFadden. He had Mendenhall as the only top 10 value at RB in the draft, so it’s really hard to argue with that pick.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on
Apr 28, 2008 10:24 AM EDT
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As usual, Willie Parker has one of the best attitudes in the league and is welcoming the new RB as he should be. Hopefully Hines takes the same route – everyone knows Hines is the man, but he’s getting old.
by steelguy99 on Apr 28, 2008 10:12 AM EDT 0 recs
Hines has always been professional
He may be fiery and have a strong first reaction (meaning his reaction to Ben’s quote in Jan or Feb), but I’m sure he won’t take it out on Sweed.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on
Apr 28, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
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Question
It seemed obvious going into the offseason that your OLine needed improved. Are you guys not concerned at all that your OLine might be (significantly) worse without faneca?
I understand the benefits of getting good/great value, but isn’t it a balancing act? It wouldn’t make sense, for example, for the Patriots to draft a QB in the first round, or the Colts to draft a wideout, even if it was amazing value. For this reason, sometimes I believe you have to go based on need, and be prescient enough to see how the chips are falling and act on it. I’m very relieved the Steelers didn’t improve either line (especially the O) going into next season. And I’m excited at the good possibility that your OLine will be dramatically worse. Do you really believe that skill players make a line better?
by kwoog on Apr 28, 2008 2:28 PM EDT 0 recs
OL
We have a lot of uncertainty with the OL, but we do have some young players that could step up, which is why it’s not a need worthy of panic. Kemoeatu and Stapleton look like future starters, and we have good depth at OT now. There are certainly some questions about the future, but we have some good options as well. I think Faneca played only average last year and is replaceable at this point in his career. I would have loved to draft a top notch tackle, but not at the expense of trading up or reaching for second or third round talent. Honestly, I thought our draft was outstanding with the exception of the DL. We had some chances to draft DL’s (our actual biggest need), but we passed on them for Dennis Dixon. They must be more confident in the DL than we are.
by BadMaafala on
Apr 28, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
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In addition
We have Ryan McBean who did not play much last year even while Smith was out. I havent seen or heard much about him, maybe he put on a few pounds and will contribute more this year.
by draftguy on
Apr 28, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
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Thanks. It just seemed odd that everyone would be so excited about a 1st round running back when a month or so ago you guys were (accurately) making a case for Parker being a top 5 back in the NFL. I also think you undervalue Faneca, who though not elite, is certainly going to be a downgraded position for you this year.
Ward, Holmes, Sweed, Miller, Parker and Mendenhall all as options is formidable on paper, but if anyone knows the value of the trenches I thought it would be the Steelers and their fans. Perhaps I’m undervaluing what you have as prospects at the position, but where were these guys last year when Roethlisberger was getting sacked 47 times? I’m looking forward to seeing a more spread out, skill-position centric offense in Pittsburgh. Lord knows we didn’t have much luck against the line-focused teams.
by kwoog on
Apr 28, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
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OL
I don’t think you’re too off base on the OL, they were horrible last year and didn’t do a whole lot to at talent or youth to the equation. What they did do though is give themselves a handful of options. Hartwig is an instant upgrade at center (by far the worst position on the 2007 line) and Starks, when motivated and in shape, is an upgrade at RT. Colon was playing out of position at RT last year but most of us feel the Steelers wanted to throw this guy in there and see what they had (for the most part they found out they had a guard playing tackle). As long as Marvel Smith is healthy he’ll be much better at LT. His back simply didn’t allow him to play last year and it was evident by the first Jacksonville game when he gave up at least 3 1/2 sacks. That’s three of the five positions that are instantly better than they were in 2007. At guard, there will be three guys competing for two spots. The best two will start and the other will ride the pine. Now with all that being said, none of these guys are going to play at a Pro Bowl level and no one will confuse this OL with the early 90’s Cowboys. As a unit though, they can be average to slightly above average. I’d rather have plucked the value pick that fell into our laps instead of reaching for project OL or trying to trade up for a guy in the mid-teens.
by cgolden on
Apr 28, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
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Good points
Alot of bens 47 sacks were his fault, he is an amazing QB, his one flaw is that he holds the ball too long. I like picking up 1 lineman in the draft, Hill was rated up with Otah and Baker before his injury. He slid down everyones draft board. Honestly I don’t want more than one rookie on our OL next year. Looking into next year, we have the hardest schedule, so we will probably draft higher next year and have a shot at OT Michael Oher who pulled out last second of this years draft.
by draftguy on Apr 28, 2008 2:37 PM EDT 0 recs
Ive went over this before on this site but:
I would prefer a QB holding the ball too long and getting sacked rather than forcing the throw early when he is not ready too which could result in more interceptions. INTs are bad, they can end a game in a second. Sacks don’t. When you get sacked you still have another shot, unless sacked on 4th down(or third).
by jason97673 on
Apr 30, 2008 1:35 AM EDT
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I agree completely with DC
The Washington Post agrees with you too. There are a number of ways that you can improve your offense. By increasing the quality at the skill positions pressure is reduced on both Ben and the O-line. Some players fell because of their injury situation, but don’t draw quick conclusions. Most teams have to improve immediately and cannot afford to wait for a player to round back into top form. The Steelers are one of the few teams that can. It does not necessarily mean a lack of confidence that are not sturdy enough or cannot regain form. And lets not forget that some of the real action will come with the free agents we sign post draft. I think given the circumstances we are in very good shape. And we certainly did better than the other teams in the division.
by RickVa on Apr 28, 2008 4:02 PM EDT 0 recs
the steelers would have had to trade to get oline help
immediate, rookie oline help would have been increasingly expensive.
Any o-man drafted at 23rd would be a reach, which means you trade out of the 1st round.
So now you are drafting guys for the o-line that have increasing concerns and less likely to start this year.
And trade scenarios are total question marks.
Duane Brown, Chilo Rachal / Mike Pollack , John Greco, Jeremy Zuttah / Chad Rinehart, Oniel Cousins, Mike McGlynn, Shawn Murphy, Anthony Collins
Or you take Tony Hills in the 4th
I would have been disappointed taking those guys in the first or second, unless we traded down and nabbed both Pollack and Swede in the second. But center was not as pressing a concern. And while there is a good chance some of those guys have productive careers, none of them are expected to save their respecive teams’ lines this year.
by vherub on Apr 29, 2008 4:19 PM EDT 0 recs
What about trading up? (which is what I would have been rooting for if I was a Steelers fan)
by kwoog on
Apr 29, 2008 5:57 PM EDT
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Trading up
We have too many depth problems on our roster right now to trade up for a guy who isn’t going to help us this year. I wouldn’t trade Mendenhall, Bruce Davis, and Ryan Mundy for Chris Williams, which is what we would have had to give up. We’ll take a chance on Hills, and if he doesn’t work out (and if we don’t resign Smith and Starks), then we can do something desperate next year.
by BadMaafala on
Apr 29, 2008 6:43 PM EDT
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Makes sense. But there’s always next year’s picks, if you’re in love w/ this draft so much (and thus, the players you ended up getting later on). Also, just fyi, I was thinking of moving up enough to get an OL that actually would help this year… Albert or something. Obviously this would cost a lot, but that’s what my outsider/less-informed perspective thinks of your OL minus Faneca. “Desperate times…”
However, the Steelers rarely trade picks away and routinely go value over need, right? The results are hard to argue with. I like that Savage is a wheeler-dealer, though. If for no other reason than it distinguishes our two teams’ styles, which is always good for a (desperately in need of reviving) rivalry.
by kwoog on
Apr 29, 2008 10:44 PM EDT
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Its quite hard to argue with the steelers they done nothing but have success over the past 20 years or so and in the 70’s as well. The reason they do not trade up is because the steelers do not want to pay lots of money to someone who may or may not sit out for awhile.
Unlike the browns, where they traded for brady he now sits on the bench and earns starters salary image what the browns could of done if they did not trade up for brady. They could lock up winslow and edwards for long term. Or potentially be able to pick up some more FA(not that they did not do that this year, but they could of gotten more and save themselves some money for the future.) The draft in my opinion has alot more downside than upsides, which is why i think the steelers choose to stick with their pick and do not trade up (the one time they did in recent years, we got troy, so i guess when they do they make sure the player they are going to receive is going to be a star)
Thus no point of reaching or trading up. Steelers are the steelers and the Browns are the Browns. The biggest difference between the two no matter what people say and no matter what happens next year is the steelers got a hand full of rings (5) while the Browns sit there empty handed (0)
* till next time wave those towels proud
by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on
Apr 30, 2008 12:22 AM EDT
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I’m well aware of how many super bowls each team has won. I was only attempting to raise a legitimate question of how to balance value vs. need, and how it applies to the Pittsburgh offseason strategy this year.
That being said, two corrections: 1) Quinn makes back up money, about 2 million a year. 2) The Browns pretty much signed one FA this offseason, Stalworth. Williams was a franchised DT, in some ways the exact opposite of a discarded FA, in that his team wanted to retain him so badly that they guaranteed him top 5 money at his position. And Rogers was signed for three more years in the deal we inherited. Thus, the Browns are not building a roster via Free Agency like, say, the Redskins. They’re creatively utilizing every method possible to upgrade their roster (trading up and/or down in the draft, making personnel trades for established and signed players, and using the increasing salary cap to wisely spend in FA, eg Steinbach, hopefully Stalworth…). The point is that the current Browns regime seems not to put limits on how to best upgrade a roster, whereas the Steelers seem to follow a rigid, singular approach (draft for value, let FAs go, whether they’re worthy of the money, Plax, or not, Porter/Faneca). Going forward, the difference between these two franchises will not be contingent on an amazing run from 30+ years ago, or a lucky Roethlisberger tackle in the open field… It will be based on next year and beyond. See you September 14.
by kwoog on
Apr 30, 2008 1:43 AM EDT
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Agreed
However, one thing i always hated about the browns is how much they take away from our success in the past. Never gave us anything. Just like my future brother and father in law, they both are die hard browns fans i hear the same thing year after year. Steelers success goes beyond luck and skill, it goes on tradition. Just like you blaming a lucky Roethlisberger tackle for our super bowl win. Or you could blame the miss field goal, or you can blame the terrible calls in the super bowl. As steelers fans we heard it all and still no understands that winning in Pittsburgh is no joke. But if it would of been any team but the steelers everyone would of been saying how talented their QB was by making that kind of tackle in the open field. But nope not the steelers. Honestly if you believe in luck (which i do not) then I am damn lucky i was born a Steeler fan.
I look forward to September 14, because you look at it as a rival we look at it as a beat down, a rival is when both teams win some lose some. Hate to break it but in case you forgot. Browns 1-14 vs the steelers in the last 15 games. Thats what i call a beat down not a rival. Hope you do get some more wins so it can become a rival as it once was, because i honestly miss it.
* till next time wave those towels proud
by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on
Apr 30, 2008 8:37 AM EDT
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You’re right, it hasn’t been a rivalry in a while. But 1-14 has only brought you even with us in the all time series… And you never had to start your franchise completely over from scratch as an expansion team… but I digress.
I don’t begrudge your success, good for you. The “lucky tackle” thing was just a little rib, is all, which was meant in good fun after your “no matter what” schpeel. And I’m glad you consider Sept 14 a “beat down” day, it will make it all the more enjoyable when our new D slices through your OLine like butter, before Mendenhall has taken three steps out of the backfield.
And finally, if Joe freakin Montana would have made that tackle I still would have called it lucky.
by kwoog on
Apr 30, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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I never said anything about Sept 14, all i said is 1-14 record is a beat down in the past 15 times, no matter what you say thats a beat down no matter what the score is. the lucky thing keeps coming up over and over again, i think the browns complain about that lucky tackle because always looking for somthing to make our super bowl win less worthy. But you know what it was lucky and there were also a bunch of other luck that went along with that tackle, but hey thats football luck is a big part of the game, i rather be lucky than sorry.
About your D line, looks good on paper, how it will work on the field is to be determine. Our online looks bad on the field last year, but how they respond this year is to be determine. Thus we can not make predictions on the future, my whole argument from the get go was, the steelers are a better team than the browns as I type. The future is to be determine, and the past is history, and history is evidence of who is the better team. Once again Steelers Superbowls 5 Browns 0. I know that stinks a little no matter what you think say or do, that 5 beside the steelers makes the browns envy the steelers.
* till next time wave those towels proud
by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on
Apr 30, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
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correction
I meant to say that sept. 14th is the next date for the steeler browns game; and the beat down was towards the 1-14 record. I got confused on myself. Shit happens specifically when you are closing in and out of the browser to avoid boss noticing you are not doing work.
* till next time wave those towels proud
by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on
Apr 30, 2008 12:23 PM EDT
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Just for the record, I don’t think the Steelers most recent Super Bowl victory was lucky. E.g., just take the bogus non-interception call on the play made by Troy… The best team in football was crowned that year.
by kwoog on
Apr 30, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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with the browns
Brady cost them the 2nd round pick last year and the first round pick this year. They thought they had a great need at qb, and spent heavily.
As it turned out, they didn’t have as great a need and overspent (draft wise).
This year, they traded up and gave another future pick at te- again where they might not have a need. With next years picks, I always feel like the team is overestimating how good they will be next year.
It is a starkly different approach than the steelers in this draft.
To me, I would rather have the picks for Quinn back.
by vherub on Apr 30, 2008 10:14 AM EDT 0 recs
Actually, everyone but the Browns thought the 1st rounder they gave up for Quinn would be a top 10 pick, so in actuality everyone underestimated how good they would be, while they were accurately evaluating themselves.
And next year’s 3rd and 5th that we traded away were to get to players this year that we had rated 2nd round quality. The TE was a value pick, even w/ the trade.
And finally, next offseason we will trade either DA or Quinn. This will most likely net us an extra first rounder. So while we’ve given up some picks to “take the next step”, our team will be in the middle of its prime w/ probably two 09 first rounders (or a first and two seconds, at worst). I like that. A lot.
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