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7 reasons to calm down about the o-line

Bumped to the main page. I'm just about tired of the draft, so I'm pleased to see selections like this about the rest of our roster. BadMaafala has been rolling out fantastic write-ups about our selections, but once those are completed, I look forward to putting the draft behind us for awhile. - Blitz -

There's a lot of concern about the state of the o-line in Steeler Nation, in part merited but to a great degree overblown. Steelers fans need to worry about something, and this is the gripe of choice these days.

The constant refrain I hear is that the 2008 season will be doomed by the toughest schedule in the league (true) and a shoddy offensive line (maybe). The offensive line may still prove me wrong, but i suspect that - while not dominant - our line will be less of a "sky is falling" disaster than many are predicting.

Here's 7 reasons why:

 

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1)  New center - the center might be the most important player on the line. The left tackle protects the QB's blindside, but the center brings the rest of the line into a cohesive unit. Last year, other players were forced to slide over and help Mahan, exposing other areas on the line. Big DT's could collapse the center of the pocket and force ben into outside edge rushers.

Opinions are mixed, quite fairly, about Justin Hartwig. He was a big free agent acquisition for Carolina, and didn't quite work out. The reason he was let go, however, had more to do with Ryan Kalil taking his place than a strict failing on his part. He will likely be the starter in 2008. But i'm more excited about Darnell Stapleton, the former free agent the coaches liked enough to keep on the roster last year. His weight is up to 315, though he'll drop a bit for conditioning purposes, and i think he will see some playing time with Hartwig as a good mentor. He could start this year, or more likely in 2009.

Simply reinforcing the center of the line could do wonders for the whole unit.

2) Technique - Russ Grimm has a different style than Larry Zierlein - for one, he's more careful about forwarding emails. But more importantly is his philosophy. I remember hearing last year that players were having a hard time to adjusting to his preferred techniques. While Grimm's philosophy was "just block the guy," Zierlein prefers the whole line to quick set - firing off the ball and getting a good initial punch. I wouldn't be surprised if some of our problems in 2007 didn't come from the adjustment - and if next year will be better because the line will be operating with the technique that the blocking assignments are drawn up for.

3) 2008 Isn't the problem - This is a big one when it comes to complaints about us not trading away our entire draft for some 1st round lineman. It wasn't likely that any of the rookies short of Jake Long would have been starters this year anyway. 2009 is the concern, because Marvel Smith and Max Starks will both be free agents. Hopefully, Hills will develop into a solid starter. If not, we'll have another draft to pick up a stud tackle (Michael Oher, anyone?)

4) More weapons - Tomlin's remark about protecting the QB by giving him weapons is part spin, but has a grain of truth to it. A defense will be more reluctant to blitz if Ben can dump the ball off to Mendenhall (better hands than parker) and he can take it to the house, or if ben can fire the ball off more quickly but less accurately because he is hitting a big target like Sweed. Even better, we could see some sets with Holmes and Sweed out wide and Hines in the slot finding soft spots against zone D.

5) Better Ben - Ben will never be a check-down throw the ball away kind of guy. But he also wouldn't be Ben if he did, because some of the times we want him to throw the ball away he makes big plays. If Ben keeps improving, so will the o-line - a lot of those sacks were his fault. Moreover, he potentially can make big plays just by checking down to a back like mendenhall or letting it go early to a WR like Sweed who can break a tackle.

6) We're pretty good at running - as others have said, we had the league's leading rusher before Willie went down with an injury. Pass protection is the biggest issue. Of course, we lost our best run blocker, which leads us to...

7) Guard play - yes, Alan Faneca is gone. I'm guessing that hurts our run game more than pass pro, since that was never his strength. But we're better off at the guard position than people think. Kendall Simmons started out awfully, but i've read a couple of reviews of our line that said he got better as the season went on (see #2?). And Zierlein says Chris Kemoeatu almost beat out Simmons last year. Plus - that kids a beast. Anyone else remember the game (I think it was the preseason) where Kemoeatu was flagged for whacking a defender upside the head? He knocked the guy's helmet clean off with a punch from one hand. If he improves the mental aspect of his game, that's the type of aggression i want to see on the field.

 

So there you have it. Now that i've put this down in writing, no doubt our offensive line will suck just to spite me. But i'm cautiously optimistic that it won't be as bad as everyone is saying. What do you think?

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yep

we should be fine running the ball, and if our d is good, and they usually are, everything else should fall into place. If the Faneca loss is not made up for by Hartwig, Kemo, and better line cohesion and familiarity with new coaches, or the d-line breaks down, then we are in potential trouble.

by tkired on Apr 30, 2008 11:51 AM EDT   0 recs

O line...

...Steelers should have worked out a deal with L.J. Shelton..they should have realized after the draft that they will need a guy like LJ Shelton, instead Shelton goes to the Chargers whose GM is making that franchise a superior one at this moment in time…Steelers could have used a huge tackle like LJ….you guys think otherwise?...

by Kanadianhoser on Apr 30, 2008 11:57 AM EDT   0 recs

agree about 2009 being troublesome

What free agents might also be available to poach?

and in the slim-to-no-chance department, a quality left tackle sometimes drops out of the sky:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=6B9EBACBE4D576223531757C101EC0F0?id=09000d5d807fcaea&template=with-video&confirm=true

levi jones’ departure would definitely hurt the bengals

by vherub on Apr 30, 2008 12:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Technique

That is a great point and a reason for hope. Again, I go back the recent coaching change at my college. The OL was horrible the first half of the year, and a large part of that was a different technique being taught by the new staff. By the second half of the year, they had learned the technique better, and there was huge improvement. Of course, they had sucked for a couple years. . .

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 30, 2008 1:51 PM EDT   0 recs

:)

Any chance for a NC State plug. I love it!

Did you go there WolfPack?

by Blitzburgh on Apr 30, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I did

I hope that they have much more to plug in the coming years. I’m very hopeful with our new coach. I hated to see the old coach fail, though, since he was an alum.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 30, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you can analyze it any way you want to, but

the bottom line is that your OL will not be any better than in 2007 and there is a good chance it will be worse.

I don’t see Hartwig being much of an upgrade over Mahan and Kemoeatu certainly isn’t in Faneca’s league by any stretch.

And that more weapons argument is a joke, I guarantee you teams could care less what kind of weapons you have. No team has more weapons than the Pats and Cowboys and that sure as hell didn’t stop the GMen from bringing the heat and putting pressure on their OLs.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 30, 2008 2:09 PM EDT   0 recs

well

YOu may be right, you may not.

I would say this: it’s impossible to predict which group of linemen will mesh and work well together. The Redskins had a slew of injuries to their offensive line, and were playing a makeshift collection by year’s end. Yet, somehow, that group played VERY well together. Shuffling a few parts and adding a year of experience could make more of a difference than we may think. Maybe not, but just because ‘on paper’ Hartwig doesnt seem like a massive upgrade, etc. etc., doesn’t mean that we’re doomed, imo.

by Blitzburgh on Apr 30, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know about the no team has more weapons than the cowboys

statement. In the playoff loss to the giants, Romo certainly could have played a bit better. And Marion was out of control in the first half and then oddly ignored in the second half.
In the superbowl, many things happened. The pats also got outcoached. These are huge conversations in their own right.

But look at it this way, when you have more above average skill position players than the opposing defense can single cover, 1 or more of those guys will be open every single play. A good to great qb should be able to find that open man. Good line play gives him more time, but it is still on the qb to find that man. Maybe he needs to do it quicker, so be it. Some of the sacks and hurries last year were on Ben- and this is something I expect him to improve upon.

by vherub on Apr 30, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

couldn't be more wrong

the Cowboys had it in reverse. excellent line play gave Romo time to find Witten and Owens. Barber ran well behind the line. the Pats on the other hand, had their offense specifically designed to stretch the field. by putting 4 or 5 receivers on every play, each one a decent threat, the defense had to choose whether to rush or to drop back. if they rushed, for most the year (except ONE game—the SB) Brady made the correct quick decision and got rid of the ball before the rush could get there. in the PIT-NE game people lamented the Steelers didn’t get to Brady. in actuality, i thought our LBs and D-Line generated alot of push, it’s just you can only push so far when the QB releases the ball as quick as Brady was on that day. So the Pats game plans and offensive style didn’t require their offensive line to be absolute juggernauts. As we saw in the Super Bowl, the Pats individually don’t have GREAT players on the line. Mankins is their best player and he in my honest opinion should not be a Pro-Bowler, Brady makes him look ALOT better than he is with that quick release. Mankins got DESTROYED by Justin Tuck in the SB. I mean destroyed, blown off the ball into the backfield on many occasions. Hartwig is a mild upgrade over Mahan. Kemo is solid, not Faneca in run blocking, but he’s solid nonetheless. Regardless, if Ben can even make some quick check-downs, just a few times a game, that goes along way to helping the offensive line. If you can’t see how a quarter back making quick decisions with alot of offensive weapons wouldn’t help the offensive line, then you don’t know football. We aren’t saying it’s going to be the end-all difference maker, just a factor. The fact is, in the SB, Brady played bad. He didn’t hit some short, quick passes that he normally hit. The Giants should be credited with sticking with their pass rush and not dropping back, which certainly was a large factor in Brady’s play, but some of it was Brady just had a bad day at the office. The Giants D-line, and their corners, played the game of their lives to win that game. So using that one game as an example is hardly scientific. When you look at the rest of the season the Pats (as they always have been good at doing) masked their deficiencies with coaching.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Apr 30, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

weapons

hey, I did acknowledge it’s a bit spin…

You’re right, the Giants still got to Brady. But the giants were the best pass-rushing team last year, and fundamentally what they did is expose the weaknesses in the NE line. Up until that point, it wasn’t exposed precisely because Brady (is well, Tom Brady) but also because he had those weapons.

And i’m pretty sure Hartwig is an improvement over Mahan when it comes to not getting bullrushed back into ben’s face. Mahan might be better at being mobile and getting to the second level, but that wasn’t really the problem.

And i totally agree with Blitz.

by syrsteelerfan on Apr 30, 2008 2:21 PM EDT   0 recs

We certainly need weapons

Face it folks, we’ve been whistling past the graveyard with our current running back arrangement. A major injury to FWP early in the year and it doesn’t matter who we have on the OL, we’re singing wait until next year. Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, just to name two had stellar careers behind some rather mediocre lines.

I’m in agreement with the more general point; Steeler Nation needs something to obsess about. Forgive me if I sit this one out. Quite frankly, I would more concerned about the defensive line b/c we are truly one injury away from a significant decline there. We are a work in progress and would be even if we had managed to get one of the top O-linemen available in the draft. I think we made good choices in the draft and am glad we didn’t reach for second tier players just to have them. Right now, admittedly ‘on paper’, I believe we are a much better team than we were this time last year. Time will tell.

by RickVa on Apr 30, 2008 3:28 PM EDT   1 recs

well said

Agreed about the DLine as well. I’m cautiously optimistic the sack totals will be in the 25-35 range.

by Blitzburgh on Apr 30, 2008 3:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Kemoatu - Stomp Kick

In College he had character concerns because of some onfield situations including stomp kicking at opponent in the head. I call it a perfect mentality for a lineman. Just don’t do it after the whistle.

Tony - Stillers Fan in Raleigh

by Tshaff on May 1, 2008 12:01 PM EDT   0 recs

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