Steelers Running GameTo Be Tested in 2008
For much of this offseason, we have talked about the high volume of quality backs in Pittsburgh. Willie Parker, Rashard Mendenhall, Mewelde Moore, Najeh Davenport, Gary Russell - any combination of those five is quite dangerous and our top 2 is arguably one of the best combos in all of football, even if Mendenhall has yet to take a snap of professional football.
Well, if the group is going to excel in 2008, it is not going to be easy. The Steelers' 2008 opponents are phenomenal against the run, and that goes nearly across the board, save two of our AFC North opponents Cleveland and Cinicinnati.
We all know the running game has been a staple of the Steelers offense for as long as one can remember, but we also know the guard has been changing under Bruce Arians. The offense has aired it out more frequently in recent years, but a successful running game has complimented that development. There's many reasons why Big Ben had a breakout year in 2007, but having his RB, Willie Parker, near the top of the rushing standings for most of the year, has to be considered one of them.
With all the issues surrounding our offensive line following a year when our star QB was sacked 47 times, it's imperative that we're able to slow down opponents' pass rushes and successfully move the chains via the ground game. Let's take a look at how our 2008 foes did against the run in 2007 (league rank against the run in parentheses):
Houston (19)
Cleveland (27)
Philadelphia (7)
Baltimore (2)
Jacksonville (11)
Cincinnati (21)
New York Giants (8)
Washington (4)
Indianapolis (15)
San Diego (16)
Cincinnati (21)
New England (10)
Dallas (6)
Baltimore (2)
Tennessee (5)
Cleveland (27)
Of our 13 opponents, only one is in the bottom third (Cleveland), with Cinicinnati at the very bottom of the second third. We face 3 of the top 5 rushing defenses, and actually that should read 3 of the top 4, as our own rushing defense finished 2007 ranked #3. We also face the #7, #8, and #10 ranked defenses against the run.
When you factor in the reality that Cleveland should be much, much better, and that San Diego is one of the best middle of the road rush defenses a team could ever hope to face, you can see where the concern comes from.
Granted, each year is different and some of these elite 2007 rush defenses will undoubtedly regress some in '08. But the fact of the matter is, unlike many areas of the game, a team's ability to stop the run usually isn't overly dynamic. When you have capable defensive linemen who can clog holes and able LBs to mop up behind them, you're usually set for multiple years. It starts with guys like Casey Hampton up front and they're usually able to sustain a high level of play year in and year out. So, despite whatever variances we may see unfold this coming year, I think it's fair to assume that we're going up against some stout rush defenses.
What does alll that mean for our chances in 2008? Well, potentially a lot of things, none of which are entirely clear just yet. It probably means that Big Ben will again be asked to play the role of Superman for this team. We had trouble grinding out tough yards in tight situations last year. We might encounter the same problem this year. It might mean that our offensive line is put under extrem duress, as they'll obviously be focused on finding the right combination of players and schemes to keep Big Ben upright more often this coming year. But they better not forget about the running game alltogether, because it's going to be tough sledding in that department. And if it is, it might just mean that Ben's put it even more obvious passing situations where opposing defenses can dig in and tee off against our much maligned offensive line.
We'll just have to wait and see what happens, but from the looks of it, this offense is going to have a very tough time getting cheap, easy yards in the running game.
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Yet another reason to temper expectations
Anyway you look at it, 2008 is going to be a dog fight in the AFC North. Hopefully Big Ben’s shoulders can handle the pressure and he’ll finally get the respect that he deserves around the league.
If Cleveland’s run sneak up to the 10-15 range, that group looks even more formidable. Don’t forget though that every AFC North team has nearly the same schedule and as long as the Steelers can stay dominant in the division they’ll still be playoff bound.
Utilization will be the key
If Arians is predictable and unimaginative in how he mobilizes the run, then there can be plenty of cause for worry. First down runs right up the gut will be difficult. If there is more passing to set up the run; situations where we have a second and four or three, then we have the tools to be dominant.
Everybody has their eyes on Cleveland. Let me humbly suggest that Baltimore may fly under the radar this year and could be the bigger problem. Even if the rookie doesn’t dazzle early, Troy Smith, by all accounts is shaping up as formidable QB. And we can’t rely on Billick’s bungling of the offense anymore.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on May 27, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
what measurements will you define success by?
I mean, Parker finished near the top in total yards, but was down in ypc from the previous two years as were receptions. Fumbling was less of a probem and 20+ runs was the same as the previous year. But he also broke his fibula, which may or may not have been due to overwork. And those 47 sacks are an indirect sign that the running game was not as supportive of the passing game as it could be. Even had he won the running crown, I don’t know if I would have been that confident about the run last year.
Given the tough schedule, and the run defenses, what kind of numbers would you be “happy” to see Parker, Mend and all put up this year?
Big Ben as a tackling dummy
Watching Ben get sacked 47 times was awful. Curious to hear people’s thoughts on how much of that is Ben holding on to ball to long, how much is poor o-line play and how much is our offensive scheme.
Its seems like a no-brainer that 47 sacks this year could land us in a world of trouble and land Ben on injured reserve. Curious to hear yenz thoughts.
Watched the NFL Replay of the second Browns game last week
And, it was a combination. I think a big part of it was that they knew Ben was holding it too long, so they brought more pressure. If there had been more dump offs, screens, and draws, I think that would have slowed down the pass rush. One thing Phil Simms mentioned was that we threw deep more than any other team in the league except the Pats*, and the Pats mixed in a lot of short passes last year. We didn’t. That may have been the biggest reason that Ben was sacked so much. Too much going for the long ball, either by Arians’ design or by Ben not checking down.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on May 27, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Run game key is no Mahan
Guys, I think the key to an improved running game this year is no Sean Mahan in the starting lineup. DaTruth has been watching film all offseason and Mahan and K. Simmons spent too much time on the ground this past season while their man was pile-driving our $100-mill QB into the turf. Everyone on our line had a down year this past year, including Faneca and M. Smith.
Mendehall and G. Russell at least offer better goal-line options than what we’ve had since the Bus’ retirement. Russell is probably the best short yardage back on the team currently.
And on another topic, I think the next step for Ben to make in his development is learning how to throw the ball away. He made a huge step this past year in not throwing interceptions. He decided to take the sacks instead of throwing it up for grabs. That was progress. Now, he needs to take that next step and learn how to throw the ball away and not take so many sacks.
(SteelerBuddha’s note came up while I was typing). I think it was a combination of both. The OL was generally bad and Ben held the ball too long on a lot of occasions. I believe Hartwig will be a big upgrade over Mahan, but I’m still not feeling that great about K. Simmons being the starter at right guard. He hasn’t shown me anything the past few years to say that he is a quality OL that deserves to be an NFL starter. Maybe him having shoulder surgery so late will be a blessing to the team in disguise in that it forces the team to take a look at other players for that right guard spot while he heals. I’m hoping Colon wins it.
Your thoughts?
Your thoughts?
One thing is different...
The team now has 3 very good pass catching backs available, assuming that Mendenhall, Moore, and Russell all make the squad. Steelers have not used their backs a lot on swing passes and short dump offs compared to other teams around the league. Brian Westbrook, Reggie Bush, and Maurice Jones-Drew are among the leading pass receivers on their respective teams. Moore, with the Vikings, played a similar role prior to the arrival of Taylor and Petersen. Mendenhall caught around 35 passes last year in college, similar numbers to Bush and Jones-Drew in their final season. Russell was the pass catching option in the backfield with Maroney in his final college year.
Utilizing their talents would take a lot of pressure off Big Ben, I think. It would slow down the pass rush and allow him to get rid of the ball quicker. I didn’t think the sack total was too outrageous, considering the fact that Roethlisberger passed more than ever before in his career, and his paranoia about having balls intercepted. After the 2006 season where he got picked off a lot, I think Ben decided that he would be more careful about throwing and eat the ball if he had to.
I don’t know that you can have all good things at once, if Ben gets rid of the ball quicker his completion % and intercept ratio are going to suffer (2006), and if he hangs on longer he is going to be sacked more often (2007). Pick your poison, but simply blaming it on the offensive line is naive.
...the other "pick your poison" option
Lies in how they utilize the TE/FB positions on the team. Most fans cry for more passes to the TE, and a lot would like to see more ball touchs from the FB position. But in replacing Jerame Tuman and Dan Kreider with players who have more offensive skill, the team gives up some pass protection efficiency. For those who want Heath Miller to catch 80 balls and Matt Spaeth to catch 20, or more of an H Back type in place of a blocking FB, be prepared to watch Ben run around alone in the backfield, with a posse of angry men hunting him down.
by robert ethan on May 27, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Response to RE
I think the protection breakdowns go a lot farther than Tuman and Kreider not being in the lineup. I’ve recently looked at film from games against the Browns (the 2nd time), the Jaguars (both games), the Jets and the Patriots. Mahan spent more time on the ground than blocking his man. Mahan was particularly exposed against the Jets and the Jaguards.
Colon’s shakiest game was against the Patriots. Vrabel gave him all he wanted and more. The more I’ve looked at the games, the more I realized how bad Mahan and Simmons getting beat made Faneca look bad. Guards are more responsible for inside pressure than the tackles, so if you have a guard and center consistently getting beat, and you run a lot of formations out of an empty set, your QB is going to get pummeled. I think a few changes in personnel in tandem with Ben making a conscious effort to get rid of the ball when nothing is there can drastically cut down on the number of sacks.
..there were a few different factors..
I think O line play depends as much on cohesion and familiarity among the group as it does on individual talent. Probably more so. Last year they had to deal with a new head coach, offensive co-ordinator, and line coach. Plus three long time staples of the pass blocking plays, Jeff Hartings, Kreider, and Tuman weren’t on hand. Even Chukky Okobi left. Zierlein acknowledged that some of the difficulty was due to the new schemes he instituted, and feels the group will be better this year with time to absorb the changes.
The other thing, as I mentioned, was Ben’s hangover from his disastrous 2006 season. The physical wounds healed, but the psychological scars remained from all the interceptions. Remember Ben blamed himself more than anyone for 2006. So, I think he was a bit paranoid about putting the ball up in a questionable situation.
by robert ethan on May 27, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Sacks
Thanks for all the input. It seems to make sense that it was a combination of factors. I am not sure though that the total wasn’t outrageous (per Robert Ethan), I kind of think it was pretty awful. Ben ranked with the league best on every other statistic.
But in terms of sacks per pass attempt he was really among the bottom of the league.
Here are QBs ranked by passer rating with pass attems and sacks and rate of sacks per pass attempt
Brady 578 21 27.52
Ben 404 47 8.60
Garrard 325 21 15.48
Manning 515 21 24.52
Romo 520 24 21.67
Farve 535 15 35.67
Garcia 327 19 17.21
Hasselback 562 33 17.03
Mcnabb 473 44 10.75
Warner 451 20 22.55
Brees 652 16 40.75
Palmer 575 17 33.82
Anderson 527 14 37.64
Kitna 561 51 11.00
As you can see Ben has more sacks per pass attempt, by good number than any of them. He also has more yards rushing than any of them (except McNabb) so its not exactly lack of mobility that’s killing him.
Ben also lost more yards in sacks (347) than any QB last year.
I think bottom line this sack question is one of the biggest problems the team had last year and could be really dangerous if not addressed. Curious to hear everyone’s thoughts on how a QB like Anderson or Brees manages one sack per almost 40 pass plays while Ben is going down once every 8 and half passes…..
Those numbers are pretty stunning..
..Tomlin needs to reassess his first significant act as head coach. Hiring Porn Link Zierlein to coach the O line. If it doesn’t change and Tomlin doesn’t admit his mistake next season, then maybe it’s time to reassess the head coach.
by robert ethan on May 27, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought cohesion was the biggest factor in having a good line
I don’t have any complaints about Zierlein. For all everyone praises Grimm, the line was worse in 2006 than in 2007, and we didn’t have any disaster games like Oakland and Baltimore. We gave up 2 fewer sacks last year and ran the ball a little more consistently (fewer 70 yard and -1 yard runs). Arians tried to throw deep too much and he should have known better with the state of our OL. I agree that if Tomlin continues to refuse to make obvious move in the coaching staff, he may not be the right guy for the job, but the move he needs to make is at OC, not OL coach, in my opinion.
2008
This may well be the year we have a worse record (say 9-7) but actually be a better team…and I’d be surprised if any of our 2008 victories will be blow outs…all will be hard fought games. But as we proved in 2005/2006, all we have to do is make the playoffs and anything can happen.
I also agree, Baltimore will be better than expected…making our schedule even tougher.
I think our OL can be better than most think…but we have very little room for error…injuries and guys (Simmons, Colon, Starks, Kemo) not playing to their ability will be bad news. Hopefully, the OL can play at a higher level collectively than their individual talents.
Even if the OL performs at a high level, imo, we need to use the next couple of drafts to bring in some good, young lineman…
Two cents
I think most of the relevant issues have been exposed. Let me see if I can sum up and add my two cents.
Mahan. The consensus seems to be that he’s got to go. And I agree.
Simmons. I’m not sure if Simmons’ bad play, as well as Faneca’s was part of a cascade effect from the bad play of Mahan. Wolfpack made this point in previous thread, or…
New line schemes and calls. We forget that inspite of what seemed like a smooth transition from one administration to the next, there were some significant changes in how things were done. By his own admission, the O-line coach confessed that there were some rough patches due to an approach that was quite different than what the players were used to under Grimm.
Colon/Starks. I like Colon. But with that being said I saw nothing from him this year that would cause me to think that he was better than Starks. What I am inclined to think is that being younger and hungrier he may have absorbed the new system quicker than a seasoned, championship caliber veteran who might have wondered why a system was being changed that wasn’t broke. I guess I’m also giving the benefit of the doubt to the FO. Their contractual treatment of Starks (and Simmons) would indicate a particularly poor sense of judgement given what the prevailing views here seem to be. For now I’ m of the position that they’re right and the rest of you guys are wrong. I will offer apologies all around if I’m wrong.
Ben. I do agree that Ben probably believed he had something to prove. And hopefully after a Pro Bowl season that’s behind him now. No need to swing for the fences all the time. Now with his reputation validated by the fans, his peers and the FO in the form of a top of the line salary, his focus will be on the teams legacy. He can now afford the luxury of throwing the ball away as Datruth noted, or dumping it off to his backs and put advancing the ball into their hands. He would benefit from help from Arians in terms of giving him the right plays and options, a variety of packages that will allow him to utilize the full range of talent available to him.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on May 27, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
Have to have some faith...
...in the players that Russ Grimm brought in over the past few seasons. He has been a pretty astute judge of talent. Max Starks, Trai Essex, Chris Kemoeatu, Willie Colon, any one of them should be more ready than a player they could have brought in the draft, outside of Jake Long. These guys are all in their early to mid 20s, and have had a couple seasons, at least, to adjust. The tackle they drafted this year, Tony Hills, has as much potential as most of the first rounders, and would have been rated just as highly except for the broken leg late in the year. None of the O line candidates has reached his 30th birthday yet, so they should all be in their prime.
by robert ethan on May 27, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
...I'm too lazy to look around the league, but..
I don’t think there are any other offensive lines out there that have more collective starts without having a single member that is 30 years old. Smith and Simmons have about 15 seasons between them. Hartwig and Mahan have 4 or 5 each, Starks has 2 1/2, Colon has 1, and I think Kemoeatu and Essex have both had a few injury replacement starts since they joined the team/
by robert ethan on May 27, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't Understand
The sack per pass attempt numbers convinced you that our line is in trouble?! That’s stunning to me, because they don’t even begin to explain our problems. Ben escaped so many sacks – the Football Outsiders numbers about how he plays better after being hit are really stunning.
And everybody wishing that Ben would dump it off doesn’t seem to realize how badly our line played last year. Yeah, other quarterbacks adjust to blitzes and can find the man alone. But it isn’t a question of blitzes – Ben is constantly pressured by a three or four man rush. It’s a little harder to dump something off with 7 men in coverage and a pass rush. I think Jacksonville blitzed twice during the regular season game.
But we should be happy because our terrible line is young? I’m not 30 yet either, maybe the Steelers should pick me up. I’m pretty good at watching football games on my back.
I’m all for optimism, and I hope that something magical happens with our line. But the team and the fanbase doesn’t have near the same generosity with other positions. It seems like this thread has been as critical as Ben as the line. Let me remind you – the front office was right to make Ben the highest paid player on the team. I don’t think anybody thinks the front office was right to make Starks second.
What’s really crazy to me is that our worst performing unit – the offensive line – has people talking about trust, development and hope for improvement. Our best performing unit – the secondary – has had two non-injured players benched the last two seasons, people talking about drafting a corner if the young corner that has looked amazing in limited play doesn’t unseat our solid starting corner, and people misremembering how dominant our pass defense was last year after Ryan Clark got hurt and before a stupid comment and a game against an amazing pass offense.
Good article on J. Capizzi
Hey guys, check out this article on Jason Capizzi, a guy I’ve liked since day one. If he has a good camp, I don’t see how this team can cut him. Here it is:
NFL game slowing down for Capizzi
By Jim Wexell, For the Herald-Standard
05/28/2008
Updated 05/28/2008 12:25:44 AM EDT
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PITTSBURGH – Last summer was a joyride for Jason Capizzi. He was the super sleeper out of IUP, the hometown longshot who captured imaginations as a post-draft steal, a 6-9 offensive tackle with great feet.
Word had it that Kevin Colbert was talking him up big behind closed doors.
And then Capizzi got cut.
Dream over.
Until now.
While he’s not the fresh name reporters love to discuss, he is drawing raves from behind closed doors. “He’ll amaze you,” said one source with the team.
But this time, this year, Capizzi isn’t getting worked up by the buzz.
“Just trying to get better, man,” was his response yesterday after the sixth Steelers OTA workout.
Capizzi has only been through four of the workouts. He was in a walking boot for a month because of a stress fracture in his foot. But he was in uniform to start last week and has been working at left tackle with the second team. He’s still feeling some pain, and won’t heed the training staff’s caution that he stop for a break, because: “I’ve got to make this team,” he said.
Capizzi was asked about what happened last year.
“I thought I had the team made,” he said. “But nothing’s ever guaranteed in this sport. So, I went out and did my thing. I went out and went against different competition: different schemes, different fronts, different kinds of players. And I think I got better from it.
“I’m glad to be back now, very glad. It’s nice coming in here, like last year at this time I was definitely afraid of going against James Harrison and this year the game has just slowed down a lot.”
Capizzi spent time last year on the practice squads of the New York Jets, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Kansas City Chiefs. The Chiefs wanted to keep him through the offseason and into this year’s training camp, but the Steelers plucked him off the Chiefs’ practice squad and put Capizzi on their roster for the playoff game after Max Starks got hurt. The Chiefs weren’t pleased.
“They were mad,” Capizzi said. “I actually had my final meeting with Kansas City before I came home for the offseason. But before I left Kansas City to come home I got a call from my agent saying Pittsburgh was picking me up for the playoffs, before I was even on the plane. So it was a nice plane ride home.”
Why were the Chiefs mad?
“My agent told me they were pretty upset, but I was kind of upset with Kansas City. You lost the last nine games of the year and they’re getting their proverbial butts kicked and I thought I was better than some of them and felt they should’ve brought me up off the practice squad. And I knew they had 45 draft picks this year and I knew they were going to bring in every guy known to man, so I didn’t know what my future was like and I kind of knew things better here.”
He’s a new man, a hardened-but-wiser man, a man with a plan.
“Yeah,” he said. “I’m trying to gain not just my coaches’ respect by playing the game, I’m also trying to gain my teammates’ respect, that they can trust me being out there and they know I’m going to be able to get the job done and help them win games and win a Super Bowl.”
The key?
“Everything’s just slowed down,” he said.
Capizzi weighs 330 pounds, about five pounds heavier than the Steelers want him to be in training camp. Will he approach this training camp any differently than his first camp?
“No,” he said. “I’m going to do everything I did last year – work hard. I’m going to be obviously a little better at what I’m doing out there. I won’t be as nervous out there. I’m going to do whatever I can.”
Does he feel more status, more respect from his teammates as he enters his second camp?
“Yeah, a little bit,” he said. “I’m trying to gain it every day.”
I don’t like the lingering pain in his foot, but he still has a couple of months for it to heal. I know we have a bunch of tackles, but you don’t cut LT’s with great feet like Capizzi when you have an offensive line like ours. Especially a LT who can also play the right side that you can pay a bargain basement price to for the next 3 years.
Your thoughts?
Capizzi
While I hope he turns out to be the player that we all hope he can be, I don’t put much stock in performances from OTAs. The guys aren’t in pads and contact is prohibited. If guys don’t look good in t-shirts and shorts running drills I’d be concerned but a lineman looking good in a glorified walk-through doesn’t seem all that great, IMO.
cgolden is golden once again
Cgolden, what’s up? I don’t put much stock in OTA’s either. It’s really just a time for player’s to learn the plays and schemes. One thing I do take notice of is the physical condition that a player is in, whether they bulked up or lost weight. For example, G. Russell put on 10 lbs. of muscle to get up to 225 lbs and Stapleton is now up to 315 lbs and wants to play the season at 310 lbs. I do pay attention to stuff like that.
About Capizzi, I liked him this past year and believe that he should be further along this training camp than he was this past year. The second time around is always better, right? (or so the song goes).
Capizzi has great feet and moves pretty well for his size. On a team desperate for good, young lineman, he fits the bill, and at a cheap cost as well. That extra year will mean he’ll be able to play the right as well as the left this year, which is important for the swing tackle on this squad.
It seems like this team has quite a few tackles now. We’ll have to see how everything shakes out with roster spots. I think they’ll only keep 9 lineman this year, as they did this past year. It’d be a surprise if they kept 10.
Your thoughts?
No criticism of Ben
BTW – my post was not meant as just a criticism of Ben. Like I said, he ran well. No one can argue that he is super tough to bring down. As BuddyToledo said, many of those sacks were on 3-4 man rushes where the pocket collapsed from the middle.
Bottom line though, apart from better pass protection, it does seem that we have to set up some different schemes to keep Ben upright. He had 46 sacks the year before (with not many more pass attempts), again near the bottom of the league.
We need new
I definitely agree about seeing some different schemes this year.

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