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Would Mewelde Moore Have Come To Pittsburgh Had He Known Rashard Mendenhall Was On His Way?

For those new to the site, you may not be aware of my affinity for the Mewelde Moore signing earler this offseason. You can read about my reaciton to acquiring him here and here. Basically, I was excited not only because he had performed well when given the opportunity and would provide an instant upgrade in the punt return department, I viewed the Vikings' decision to let him go simply as one of roster management. With Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor under contract, the Vikings simply did not have the cap room or enough carries to keep Moore around. Because he seems to be such a good young man, I suspect the Vikings let him walk partly because they felt he deserved the opportunity to see the field more elsewhere.

Well, looks like Moore may be in the exact same situation in Pittsburgh as he was in Minnesota. Think about it, even if Najeh Davenport was released and Moore was the 3rd RB on the depth chart - which he would be assuming Mendenhall is healthy and performs anywhere near expectation levels - Moore won't have his number called much, if any, in the running game. Mendenhall's arrival shouldn't stand in the way of Moore taking over punt return duties, and perhaps even kick returns, so he will have a niche on this team. But, would a capable, somewhat proven 26 year old entering the prime of his career, really choose Pittsburgh as his ideal destination if he had known he'd be buried on the depth chart behind Parker and Mendenhall? Perhaps, I'm not sure. What do you think?

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With Parker and Mendenhall in front of him on the depth chart, is there room for Mewelde Moore in Pittsburgh's increasingly crowded back-field? (Photo Credit )

 

Several things to consider and sort out with our running game that I'd enjoy hearing your input on:

1. We already read about Peter King believing we will run the ball much more in 2008. What do you think? How many carries do you see both Parker and Mendenhall getting, assuming both stay healthy?

2. Is there any chance we keep Davenport and carry those four RBs, plus Davis and possibly even Russell? Certainly we don't carry 6 on our traveling squad, but might we keep 5?

3. Can you name me any depth charts that might have been more accessible to Mewelde Moore? We've discussed how having 2 legit RB options is the new trend in the NFL. But there's got to be other markets where there isn't an incumbent as talented as Willie Parker and a high-profile 1st round pick as the #2 option. Right?

4. Moore signed a 3-year $4.95 million dollar deal this offseason. Can we assume that Parker has 3 more solid years left in him at least, and that after 3 years, we should be reaping the fruits of Mendenhall's immense ability? By that time, Mewelde Moore would be 29 years old and the windown of opportunity would be just about shut.

The floor is open. Weigh in.

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Poor guy

I can’t say I don’t feel bad, but I can’t say I was confident in our RB corps before we drafted Mendenhall either. Now we have outstanding RB depth. BTW, Wexell thinks Russell will beat out Najeh for the last spot. He’s put on 10 pounds and just has more upside than dookie. There are some other great comments in this article, too:

http://www.heraldstandard.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=19666688&BRD=2280&PAG=461&dept_id=565757&rfi=8

by BadMaafala on May 7, 2008 11:37 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

my two cents

My guess is that Moore wouldn’t have come to Pittsburgh and the Steelers wouldn’t have signed any RB if they knew how the draft would turn out. I would think they’d be completely satisfied rolling into the season with FWP, Mendenhall, and Russell at RB and Davis who could get carries in a pinch. I’m sure both parties are thinking “hindsight is 20/20.”

1. In a ideal world, I’d think something around 250 carries for FWP and 150 for Mendenhall with Mendenhall being a bigger contributor in the passing game.

2. I’d be more than shocked if Davenport makes this team. If they can’t find a team to give them a half eaten bag of chips and a used jock, he’ll end up a cut victim and some team will pick him up just like we did. Some team like the Browns (old vet who needs a rest and they could also benefit from some insider info).

3. Surely there’s half a dozen teams that Moore could be an immediate upgrade over their current #2: Browns, Bills, Jets, Chiefs, Tampa Bay, Chicago, Detroit, Arizona and St. Louis. He might even be a starter for a couple of those (CHI & DET) so maybe we can explore some trade options.

4. Three years is along way down the road but who knows maybe Russell is a solid #2 back by then and the RB situation is set for the next 10 years in Pittsburgh. Not bad if the QB, WR, TE and RB are all set until say 2015 or so. Talk about best case scenerio huh.

by cgolden on May 7, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

That would be sweet!!!

I’d be great if we could have those ‘skill’ posiitons locked up for that long…....now if only we can work out our issues in the trenches (O & D Lines).

I don’t think Moore would have come here if he’d known about the draft. Unfortunately for him, but fortunately for us, I think, we truely benefit by having him as our #3. I definately think we need to look at dumping Najeh off on someone else…who knows, maybe at some point we might even look at sending Moore off for some trench parts and draft picks as well????

by blacksteel5108 on May 13, 2008 12:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Moore

I still think Moore can get 10-15 touches per game. He will be our primary punt returner, and he is expected to be a third down back, right? He should be great checkdown option on 3rd down swing passes and the like. Also, after our last 5 years or so, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Parker and Mendenhall miss a game here and there where Moore will step up and start for us.

I do agree that there are several other teams that he could have landed, probably higher on the depth chart and for more money. That tells me that he must really like Tomlin.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on May 7, 2008 12:17 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Good call

Yeah… I think he’ll still easily earn the 3rd down back responsibilities. Always good to have a proven vet in that situation. So he’ll probably pick some yards off of draws and screens, and probably win the punt return duties. Not to mention injuries are incredibly likely at the RB position so he has the chance to move into the rotation more fully.

Dookies out. I thought he was servicable but it will be nice to have two premier options.

I like the idea of Parker staying between 250-275 touches for the year. I think Mendenhall should round out around 5-10 touches a game if possible.

Our offensive skill player depth is getting ridiculous. The only shallow spot would be TE with Spaeth being a big drop off from Heath. But perhaps folks are right about Dekker being a great fill as well.

by Chicago Steeler on May 7, 2008 12:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

you know though

I got high hopes for Spaeth, I bet you he greatly improves this year. I prefer him to improve as a blocker more than a receiver.

* till next time wave those towels proud

by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on May 7, 2008 12:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

no logical reason why

Just a gut feeling. Im sure you hope im right though.

* till next time wave those towels proud

by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on May 7, 2008 12:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

that article is great

thanks for the link, I have some comments about moore, but they got derailed while I was reading Wexell. I want to say it seems similar to Ryan Grant with Giants- having too many means possibly losing the wrong one. Don’t want Rus to be our Grant.
Moore’s signing was as the #3 on the depth chart, compete for return duties, 3rd down back role and provide safety in case Parker’s injury is a concern this year, and I don’t see this changing much.
I think Mendenhall will be an (immediate) improvement over Davenport and agree he could be traded. Najeh was not effective in the playoff game, nor in the regular final against the ravens.

Moore strikes me as a quiet, hard-working and diplomatic player. He was well-liked by the Vikes fanbase and there may be a connection with Tomlin.
I don’t think Childress knows how to use his runningbacks, and while Moore never voiced frustration, he must have wanted to get on the field.

Tomlin no longer needs to run willile until the wheels fall off, and I think Moore is in a position, where if he has the ability, the head coach will give him touches.

by vherub on May 7, 2008 12:26 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Agreed, that was a great article (the Wexell article)

I loved that part about Sweed shaking hands with Mendenhall and talking about joining a great organization and hopefully having long careers together.

It was good to hear the Marvel’s back is better, and Starks is looking good (I hope we lock him up to a longer deal).

Also loved the end about Townshend and Farrior talking to Wexell about aging, but still feeling like they have 4 or 5 good years left. It’s always good to hear that two of our veterans are “true pros”.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on May 7, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Moore's career

looks similiar to Kevin Faulk’s of New England. Solid returner, great 3rd down/checkdown back. Can be pressed into starting duty. Davenport or someone else will be cut to make room. I’d imagine early in the season as Mendenhall is still getting the playbook under him that Moore will get a few more carries as the 2nd RB option, as the season goes on he’ll become the #3 again.

by TheMostViolentTeam on May 7, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Moore...

I disagree that Moore will earn the 3rd down duties. Think about the skill set that Mendenhall brings. He’s bigger than Moore. He’s faster than Moore. He’s a good receiver. He’s a good blocker. He’s the ideal 3rd down back. Willie will get about 250-300 carries and be the primary 1st and 2nd down back. I would imagine that Arians is looking into having both Mendenhall and Parker on the field at the same time on some early downs as well, but Rashard’s main contribution this year could very well end up being as the 3rd down back. Sorry Mewelde, I don’t see much of a role in the offense unless there is an injury.
He will still be a kick returner unless Willie Reid finally has the light turn on.

As for Davenport, I would imagine you are all right. His days as a Steeler are numbered. I’m sure the Steelers are shopping his services already. I was a little surprised they didn’t try to get a late round pick for him on the second day of the draft…

by manosteel9423 on May 7, 2008 12:48 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

3rd down back

The reason I say that is that I see Mendenhall more like Michael Turner was for the Chargers. I expect that he will fill the short yardage/grind it out in the second half role that Bettis had. Parker will get more carries, but I see Mendenhall getting his share of 1st and 2nd down runs as well.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on May 7, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Mendenhall as 3rd down back

The one area that rookies backs normally struggle with is ultimately the primary role for a 3rd down back: blocking. He’ll have to a capable blocker before he’s the primary third down back. I have no idea how good of a blocker Moore is but he’s a veteran so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he’s much more experienced in that aspect. Backs rarely work on that area of the game in college though so rookies normally really struggle with it.

by cgolden on May 7, 2008 1:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

he's good

coaching staff said they thought he was the most NFL-ready back precisely because of his pass-blocking ability.

Still – your point stands. I see Moore as the day one starter as 3rd down back because it will take Mendenhall a bit to adjust, no matter how good he is now.

by syrsteelerfan on May 7, 2008 2:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I see Moore as the third-down back

as well. A one-year starter isn’t likely to be great blitz pick-up, which last year at least was the primary duty of our 3rd-down back. (That may shift a little this year, I hope.)The possibility of injury to either Parker or Mendenhall has to be mentioned as well. I wouldn’t say either is exactly fragile, but you can lose a guy for the season any time he steps on the field, and it’s nice to have an above-average runner like Moore on the roster. In terms of our play-calling, i’m okay with a rough 50/50 balance. I don’t see it as a question of running more, but running more effectively. Being able to grind out a short third-down as opposed to throwing it will do wonders for an offense, and we should be able to use Parker more on the outside instead of throwing him into the line and hoping he finds a hole.

by Desroko on May 7, 2008 2:03 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Definitely
Being able to grind out a short third-down as opposed to throwing it will do wonders for an offense

That will also make passing more effective on 3rd and short.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on May 7, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

And while I don't know what he would think of it,

I’d say he’s worth a roster spot even as a returner, given his history and ours. I’m tired of struggling with field position while we virtually spot the opposing teams TDs (see MJD, playoffs) if we don’t give one up outright.

by Desroko on May 7, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Najeh

Should be on his way out. The only reason he wouldn’t is that he’s been working as a fullback, that could help him.

Still, though, I would hope that Russell would be able to fill in if Davis went down. I’d prefer to see the roster be Parker, Mendenhall (taking some 1st, 2nd down carries off FWP), Moore (starter as the 3rd down back, could lose it to Mendenhall later in the season), Carey Davis as the fullback or occasional short yardage back (with Mendenhall), and Gary Russell as the project / depth backup.

The best thing about that line up is that i think we have 3-4 guys who could be starters. That’s fantastic depth.

by syrsteelerfan on May 7, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

yea certainly not a bad problem to have

Especially when you consider only one of them (FWP) has a hefty price tag, and even he’s somewhat of a bargain.

by Blitzburgh on May 7, 2008 2:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wexell

wirtes in the Tribune-Democrat that Moore didn’t return punts in minicamp. Jeremy Bloom, Santonio, and Reid handled that instead.

That may change by camp, but an interesting wrinkle.

by Desroko on May 7, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

hmm

interesting about moore and punts. Maybe now’s the time to see what those others can do, since they know Moore is a trusted and viable PR option.

by Blitzburgh on May 7, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He also thinks

that Davenport and Russell will be battling for the last Rb spot, but doesn’t say whether he thinks that’ll be the fourth or the fifth. Davis was not mentioned in the article.

by Desroko on May 7, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Almost obscene

I truly cannot remember in all of my years of being a Steelers fan (and comparatively speaking its a lot of years) that we have been so talent rich in all of the offensive skill positions. Pro Bowl caliber players at every position (Ben, FWP, HInes, Santonio, Heath), and capable complements and backups that are either very good already or have tremendous upsides, plus a group of adequate players and projects who we would, under normal circumstances, be glad to have but this year will have to cut or trade (Davenport, Baker, Reid, Trannon, Bloom(?). A truly nice problem to have. And perhaps a necessary feature of team with championship aspirations given the difficulty of our schedule. We may need every single one of these guys in order to be competitive.

by RickVa on May 7, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

To return to the original question

Would Moore have still come here?

As I recall, the only other team expressing serious interest had been Tampa. They had wanted to trade, but the Vikes had demanded too much. Once Moore signed, the Bucs went out and grabbed Dunn.
So while he may have a better shot at playing on the Browns, Chiefs, Cards, etc. those teams might not have come calling. No one is knocking on Shaun Alexander’s door (although his is a much different situation and really, teams are right to shy from him).

The debate then goes, would Moore be better off as a Buc?

Dunn would not be there, so the roster would be Earnest Graham, Moore, Bennett and Cadillac. Moore and Bennett played split time in the Vikes backfield in 05 and Moore simply outproduced him. Cadillac may not play in 08. Earnest Graham performed decently, but is he the unquestioned starter? And since Graham is upset over contract extension talk, he doesn’t seem to be the back of the future. If Cadillac does not play in 08, this would be a better situation for Moore in terms of playing time.
I geuss that a big reason he chose the Steelers would be for the team and the coach- and those haven’t changed. He may have been disappointed the Steelers drafted another rb, but I don’t he regrets signing with the team. I hope he rises to the competition and has a productive year and career with the team.

by vherub on May 8, 2008 10:41 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Tomlin is learning quick

The loss of FWP late in the season was devastating to last year’s playoff run. So what do the Steelers do? All draft day circumstances aside, they stock up with what looks like one of the deepest quality running back stables in recent memory. At the very least, Moore can provide some return duties and give the Steelers a fresh set of legs for late game 3rd downs. But he should also serve as a quality back up for what looks like a season filled with brutal gridiron slugfests. Many in Prime Time against arch foes. I am very pleased with this situation.

To me this shows that Tomlin is learning from past problems. Who knows? Maybe this year it will be a good idea to run it on 3rd and long with a playoff game on the line.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on May 8, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Moore

is also an excellent goal-line back. i know he doesn’t have “Bus” size that all us Steelers fans want (but no other back ever really has that size) but I know one year I had Moore in fantasy, he was a goal-line beast. just gets in the end-zone.

by TheMostViolentTeam on May 8, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Moore, etc.

Moore signed an affordable contract for a third down RB, so there is no big risk from the Steelers P.O.V. I think everyone is getting ahead of themselves with Mendenhall. First of all, he is just 20 years old. Secondly the reservations about him coming out were his relative lack of experience and a propensity to cough up the ball. I think the Steelers will bring him along a lot more slowly that the fanbase anticipates.

Glad to hear the news about Russell. Do not count him out. I think it takes at least a year for Mendenhall to catch Russell on the depth chart. Gary did most of the things that Rashard did as a junior, while still a sophomore at Minnesota. If Russell has added a solid 10 pounds, the two are virtual twins, with Russell just 9 months older. Najeh Davenport will likely end up as the team’s fullback. He is as big as Dan Kreider, and a better than average blocker. Moore is a handy fill in type RB, which is about the best he could hope for at the NFL level in any case. He is versatile, and a character player who will likely accept whatever role is assigned to him.

My RB/FB depth chart – Willie Parker, Gary Russell, Najeh Davenport, Rashard Mendenhall, Mewelde Moore, Carey Davis. Davis would be the bubble guy, but you have to think at any given time, there would likely be one of the six who was physically unable to perform.

by robert ethan on May 8, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs


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