Steelers 53 Man Roster - Part 2
We take another look at who we think will make the Steelers squad in 2008. Though we only have several weeks of OTAs to base any changes of opinion on, there have been enough practice sessions and columns to perhaps merit a few changes from the first time we did this exercise. Let's take a look:
OFFENSE:
Quarterbacks (2): Ben Roethlisberger, Charlie Batch
Running Backs (5): Willie Parker, Rashard Mendenhall, Gary Russel, Mewelde Moore, Carey Davis
Wide Receivers(5): Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Limas Sweed, Nate Washington Micah Rucker
Tight Ends (3): Heath Miller, Matt Spaeth, Jonathan Dekker
Offensive Linemen (10): Max Starks, Willie Colon, Sean Mahan, Kendall Simmons, Justin Hartwig, Jason Capizzi, Chris Kemoeatu, Marvel Smith, Darnell Stapleton, Tony Hills
DEFENSE:
Defensive Linemen (7): Casey Hampton, Brett Keisel, Aaron Smith, Anthony Booger McFarland, Travis Kirschke, Chris Hoke, Ryan McBean
Linebackers (9): James Farrior, LaMarr Woodley, Lawrence Timmons, Larry Foote, James Harrison, Mike Humpal, Arnold Harrison, Keyaron Fox, Bruce Davis
Defensive Backs (9): Ike Taylor, Bryan McFadden, DeShea Townsend, William Gay, Troy Polamalu, Ryan Clark, Anthony Smith, Mike Lorello, Ryan Mundy
Specialists (3): Greg Warren, Jeff Reed, Daniel Sepulveda
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Say Hello To:
Micah Rucker - I'm buying datruth4life's argument about Rucker. What convinced me he has a chance to make this team is the fact that he has a major chip on his shoulder having not been drafted. All great athletes trick themselves into believing that it's them against the world. I'm not saying Rucker's great just yet, but that fuel may give him the upper hand over some of his competitors trying to make the squad. For now, he overtakes Willie Reid on my projected 53-man roster
Tony Hills - Honestly, not sure why I didn't include him in the first place. Perhaps it was because I thought we might stash him away on the PUP or practice squad, but after our interview with Mr. Jim Wexell I now know that the Steelers don't typically 'stash' players away. Hills may not dress, but he'll make the roster.
Jason Capizzi - Positive reports from the team's OTAs have me believing that perhaps Capizzi breaks through this year and makes the team. It's either that or get cut, as there's little to no chance he gets put on the practice squad again this year.
Anthony McFarland - Perhaps a bit premature here, as Booger has not yet had that private work that is scheduled for tomorrow. Assuming he passes any physical tests and seems physically ready to go, expect the Steelers to be in the bidding for his services. We won't be the only ones interested of course, so this is far from a done deal.
Mike Lorello - Lorello's no stranger to the team and what DC Dick LeBeau expects out of his secondary, so I'll say that he makes the team this year, but likely won't see the field much if any, particularly if Ryan Clark returns to form.
Say Goodbye To:
Willie Reid - It shouldn't take return guys 3 years to break through. It hasn't happened yet and likely won't ever happen with this team. That's too bad since he was a fan favorite for many of us.
Kyle Clement - Clement could still make this team if Booger McFarland can't make it back physically or is procured by another organization. For now though, I'm going to say he spends a year learning some technique and how to maximize that impressive strength and bulk of his.
Tyrone Carter - This is somewhat bitter-sweet. Carter's been a solid contributor and loyal member of the team for many years now, and was with us and contributing during our SB run. He also missed a critical assignment in last year's playoffs. I don't want to hear too much critique of Carter though. For what he is - a reserve safety in his early 30s, he's good at what he does. Despite the ceiling on his potential and game, he was a big part of our #1 ranked pass defense last year.
Trai Essex - If Capizzi can have a good camp and make this team, and if Hills is healthy enough to not be on the PUP list, I can't imagine Essex being kept around. 11 linemen is too many to keep, and there's not anybody else on that list who is likely to be cut, save perhaps Sean Mahan. I like Essex just fine as a player, particularly if we do in fact continue our trend of becoming a more pass-oriented offense.
Grant Mason - If we're going to carry 10 offensive linemen, we'd have to get rid of a roster spot somewhere else. The most likely choice in my mind would be the 10th and final DB, which in this instance would be Mr. Mason.
Question Marks?:
The one main question mark I have with this revised list of mine is 'who returns kicks?' With Willie Reid off the roster and me not ready to believe that we'll use a spot on Jeremy Bloom or Kevin Marion just yet, there's a question as to who will return kicks among this crop. Mewelde Moore? I'd be ok with that I suppose. What about Rashard Mendenhall? Would we dare put our highly paid 1st round pick back there and risk injury? I sure as hell hope we'd consider it, as his touches are going to be fairly limited anyway given how many carries Willie Parker will get, and how often we should be throwing the ball. Any of the reserve DBs capable?
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my two cents
- Don’t know why I’m still not ready to put Capizzi in my 53? He’s probably just as good as Essex but Essex still has a considerable edge in experience. I guess Capizzi’s edge is being cheaper but if they cut Essex, his entire salary is guaranteed. $927,000 isn’t a back breaking amount so I guess it’s possible though.
– That looks like an awful lot of defensive lineman so I’ll keep McBean on my practice squad considering he’s been hurt most of the offseason and he lasted all of ‘07 on the P-squad.
– With the roster spot I freed up by putting McBean on the p-squad I’ll keep either Mason or Carter. Carter’s a good 3rd string safety/special teamer and as long as he’s not forced into a starting role he won’t be exposed. I’ll take him and put Mason on the P-squad.
– I’ll also take Mundy off and put him on the P-squad and in his place put my new favorite Steeler, Kevin Marion. He’ll return kicks and together with Moore, we’ll have one of the most dynamic return units in recent Steeler memory.
—I’m going totally off of memory here b/c I’m too lazy to look it up, but didn’t Minnesota use the great AP to return kicks last year? If they can use him to return kicks, I’m sure the Steelers can risk Mendenhall back there. Just a thought in case we don’t keep a true KR.
by cgolden on Jun 3, 2008 2:33 PM EDT 0 recs
yea
I was basing my Mendenhall comment on KR thinking of Adrian Peterson. I think they stopped doing that with him towards the end of the year when it was clear they had an invaluable asset at RB.
Agree about McBeam. I thought as much after posting and figured somebody would chime in there.
We’ll see about Capizzi but you bring up good point about Essex’s contract all being guaranteed. $1 mil is a lot to throw away.
As much as I wanted to put Marion in there, a couple of good OTAs arent enough for me just yet. Particularly following my lengthy post on him – I didnt want to see too self-congratulatory :) But I do think he’s on the radar and not too far on the outside looking in.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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yea I wasted no time
You sold me on Marion so if he doesn’t pan out, I’ll have you to blame.
Seriously though, if his dynamic ability translates to the next level, he’s got just as much of a shot as any other returner. I wouldn’t think it takes much to learn the ‘kick return play book’ but I could be underestimating the transition.
by cgolden on
Jun 3, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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Dixon?
Maybe I missed something, but what about Dixon? Some were saying we couldn’t put him on the practice squad because he’d get snapped up by somebody. Is he going on IR, or PUP?
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jun 3, 2008 2:45 PM EDT 0 recs
hehe
When I posted, Charles told me, ‘what about Dixon, somebody’s going to be asking you about that within minutes.’ Looks like he was right.
If you re-read the part of the Wexell interview about Dixon, he seems to think that we can get away with putting him on the practice squad this year. I just don’t think it would be wise to use a roster spot on him just yet, when you consider we’re trying to work in a tons of LBs, our OL may need tinkering midseason, our DL is thin, etc. I don’t think he can be a KR and theres been zero mention of him as a WR, so unless he can surpass Batch this offseason, I can’t see how he’d be on the team just yet. Perhaps 2009, when imo, it will be time to let Batch go and have a backup with more upside in the event of a Big Ben injury.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
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Now I remember
Yeah, I’ve read so much about so many different players, it’s hard to keep it all straight. Well, if we can keep him on the PS, then that’s ok. I agree, I would like to keep Batch for at least another year, maybe two. Who knows, maybe he’ll be like Gary Kubiak, and become a good OC for us down the road. That would be nice. :)
by WolfpackSteelersFan on
Jun 3, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
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KR
I don’t think Bloom will make the team at KR. If not Marion, then Moore and Mendenhall.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jun 3, 2008 2:46 PM EDT 0 recs
Holy Smokes
You and I agree on just about everything. I have Dennis Dixon making the 53-man squad, but not the 45 team. I also am drinking the Marion Kool Aid and have him instead of Booger.
My 8 inactive guys (46-53) are”
Dixon
CDavis
Dekker
Hills
McBean
Humpal
Mundy
Stapleton
Then my eight practice guys are”
Baker
Trannon
Capizzi
Legursky
Lorello
Clement
Bailey
TWilliams
by maryrose on Jun 3, 2008 2:47 PM EDT 0 recs
FB question
Who’s your fullback if Davis is inactive or do they go one back exclusively under that scenario?
by cgolden on
Jun 3, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
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casey hampton
* till next time wave those towels proud
by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on Jun 3, 2008 3:13 PM EDT 0 recs
opps i meant to reply under cgoldens comment on the FB
* till next time wave those towels proud
by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on
Jun 3, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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hehe
Big Snack in Da Jumbo Goal Line Package! Me Like! That would cure some of our short yardage woes.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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I'd love to see it but
I don’t think Big Snack wants any part of that. Surely we all remember this from one year ago:
But it didn’t work on the next play when nose tackle Casey Hampton - yes, Hampton - lined up at fullback and was stopped short of the end zone on a big hit by inside linebacker Clint Kriewaldt, ending the drill.“That’s the last time I’m doing that,” Hampton said.
The 330-pound Hampton seemed to ease into the line, prompting Tomlin to jokingly charge that “Hampton was on the take with that snap to the fullback.”
If Clint freaking Kriewaldt can lay out Big Snack, he might have some problems against Ray Ray and the likes of a real NFL LB.
by cgolden on
Jun 3, 2008 3:31 PM EDT
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baker
Could still make the team, for sure. He’s been outstanding this offseason. Being that he’s only a second year guy, we can put him on PS for another two years (rules state you can only be on it for three years). He may also be first in line to play if Sweed gets injured (very possible). Bakers probably a safer pick than Rucker right now based on his rapport with Big ben and his solid play and work ethich this offseason. But what they hey, was trying to shake things up a bit.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
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I really like the Rucker Article
But has there been any indication out of OTA’s that the kids is showing anything. For all his measurables, he was very low in a weak wr class. Also, this is a poor way of judging, but his pictures in OTAs made him look gangly and awkward. Now that is a real stretch, but I wonder if we aren’t getting a litttle ahead of ourselves re: Rucker.
Having said all of that I loved that attitude he showed in the article.
by SteelerBuddha on
Jun 3, 2008 5:19 PM EDT
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probably right Buddha
Though we may talk up certain guys, I think we all know the reality of the talent at the bottom of the depth chart. I just think he can make the team. I’m not ready to declare him a sure-fire bet as a contributor or anything like that.
We’ll get somebody whos been at OTAs on again once they conclude next week to see whats been going on at that position. Really, whomever makes the team at that 5th WR spot won’t do much unless Hines and Santonio get hurt. Between two feature backs, two solid TEs, Santonio, Hines, Nate and even Limas to some extent, there’s only going to be a handful of balls thrown the #5s way, provided health problems isn’t a major issue across the depth chart.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
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Why did Marques Colston fall to the 7th round?
Tony - Stillers Fan in Raleigh
by Tshaff on
Jun 4, 2008 8:00 AM EDT
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came from a small school
Thats what happens when you come from a small school no one expects, someone to jump right from like a D3 to the NFL in general their may be talent but it may require a couple years for that player to bulk up and get use to NFL speed. However Colston was a rare gem, that only happens everyonce in awhile where a D3 player contributes right away.
Also I think a lot of times it depends on what team you are playing. If a team drafts a 7th round WR, the rule of thumb is that they have people that can play WR but are aging, so the team is hoping they could make a draft steal in the 7th round given a couple of years. This is why Tom Brady is so special, but when New England drafted him they had Drew Bledsoe in there so their were no hurry to put in Brady. So if a player is in the right system, right time and shows that they are capable of playing in the NFL level right off the back then low behold he will start just like Colston.
I do not think their is a position on the steelers roster that would require desperate measures of putting in a 6th or 7th rounder in a starting spot right away. Now if someone gets injured and shows the coaches that he can play at NFL speed, that is when we can see if we had a speical gem that comes in the 6th and 7th round to contribute right away and become a factor of the steelers success.
IMO i am hoping that does not happen because when the steelers are healthy, the look damn good on paper, and on the field. But if someone goes down, we can only hope that the fill in player will be a speical as a Colston
* till next time wave those towels proud
by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on
Jun 4, 2008 9:18 AM EDT
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Replace "I do not think THEIR is a postion" to I do not thinke THERE is a postion"
Deaf mistake there, sounds the same to me thus is why i typed it that way.
* till next time wave those towels proud
by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on
Jun 4, 2008 9:20 AM EDT
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Roster thoughts
With all the talent we have at skill positions, I think it’d be a waste to give one of those spots to a KR only guy. We know Moore is careful with the ball and an above average PR. If he can be an average KR and hold onto the ball, I’d take him over Marion, Reid, or Bloom in a heartbeat. None of those guys look like Devin Hester, and we don’t know what they will do in game situations. Marion or Bloom could on the PS and be ready if he gets injured.
I think we will keep 10 linemen this year, with Legursky and Essex among those competing for spots. If they like Legursky, they should cut Mahan. Mahan’s selling point is his versatility, but Stapleton, Starks, and Colon all can play multiple positions, so Mahan is pretty expendable.
I don’t buy the Micah Rucker thing. Wexell said the rumor was that he didn’t translate that speed to the game. Rucker seems to have the extremely unpolished high upside that makes a good rookie practice-squadder, and unless he is amazing during camp, no one else is going to snatch him up. Baker and Reid have the best shot at the #5, and one of them will have a good training camp. It’s not looking good for Reid, but we shouldn’t count him out.
by BadMaafala on Jun 3, 2008 3:30 PM EDT 0 recs
agreed about KR
Never seen Rucker so can’t say for sure. Certainly don’t find any fault in your logic though. But I will say that Baker’s no speed demon.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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good point about versatility
If you really think about it, we’ve heard about Simmons and Stapleton practicing at both guards & center. Colon has practiced at both guard & tackle and Starks can play both tackles. We’ve got plenty of people who are versatile, we need some guys who can push people around.
by cgolden on
Jun 3, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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creating the most violent team....
agree with most of what you have, except I would take Dallas Baker over Rucker. put Rucker on practice squad for a year, then let him develop and fight for that spot next year, or he could be given that spot if Nate Washington leaves. i’d like to hear more about our young guys obviously but my gut is saying Clement can play. if McFarland isn’t fit then I can see him being in the back-reaches of our DL rotation.
the offensive line is an absolute mess in terms of trying to predict the guys we carry, although i agree it should be 10. maybe swap Legursky with Mahan if Mahan gets cut…?
by the way, our linebacking corp looks very good, i remember some people saying we look thin…..i don’t see it, i see 7 guys who range from all-pro caliber (harrison, farrior) to serviceable starters (foote, fox), to future standouts (timmons, woodley), and a good enough backup (a. harrison). i’ll take that anyday.
if we cut Mahan or another offensive linemen might give us more room to find a decent DL rotation player, which would be huge.
could easily see Mendenhall on kick return, not only did AP do it last year, Reggie Bush does punt returns and he was an even higher draft pick….but I think we put Marion on the roster to return kicks, and put Mundy on the practice squad to make room.
by TheMostViolentTeam on Jun 3, 2008 4:21 PM EDT 0 recs
KR
I wouldnt sleep on Gerran Walker, who has been with the team a year and is fast. I think he could make the roster as a returner and as the fifth reciver. If we don’t like what we have on the team we could sign Jerome Mathis, and give him a shot.
by spartansteelers on Jun 3, 2008 4:29 PM EDT 0 recs
Steelers tried out McFarland already..
..and rejected him already. Chronic knee problems don’t go away in the space of a couple of months. How much more obvious does it have to get? Dennis Dixon will stick unless his knee remains a problem, but there is no indication that it is. Najeh Davenport will stick ahead of Carey Davis. Davenport is about 20 pounds heavier, and a much better runner if called upon. Jason Capizzi was hobbling around in a foot cast in camp, I thought. How could he do anything to impress the staff in that condition? Not only that, but the guy has an I.Q. roughly equal to his shoe size. Why is Rucker’s “chip on his shoulder over not being drafted” any more of a factor than Matt Trannon’s or Dallas Baker’s for being a 7th round pick. I don’t think Rucker was ever projected to be drafted. There was never any doubt about Tony Hills. Even if his leg is still not fully healed, they aren’t going to cut a First Team All American left tackle. Kyle Clement and Doug Legursky both have some experience as long snappers. If one of them is even close to Greg Warren’s ability, they will stick because they can play another position.
by robert ethan on Jun 3, 2008 4:34 PM EDT 0 recs
capizzi
From wexell’s recent column about him:
Capizzi has only been through four of the workouts. He was in a walking boot for a month because of a stress fracture in his foot. But he was in uniform to start last week and has been working at left tackle with the second team. He’s still feeling some pain, and won’t heed the training staff’s caution that he stop for a break, because: “I’ve got to make this team,” he said.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 4:50 PM EDT
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Davenport isn't a fullback
Davenport is a tailback who’s entering the final year of his deal. Davis is a fullback who’s cheap and under the Steelers control for at least a couple of years. Davenport hasn’t played fullback since he was college and I don’t see him switching back to that at this point in his career. It doesn’t matter who’s the better runner, we’re talking about fullbacks.
Davenport is as good as gone.
by cgolden on
Jun 3, 2008 4:54 PM EDT
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Davenport is a decent blocker..
..and pass receiver out of the backfield. Those two aspects on a 6-1, 250 pounder scream fullback to me, unless you’re talking about Jerome Bettis.
by robert ethan on
Jun 3, 2008 5:17 PM EDT
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Lead blocker or blitz pickup?
There’s a difference between being a lead blocker and good at picking up the blitz. And, I don’t see a guy in the last year of contract beating out a younger, cheaper player, even if he is a little bit better. He’s not 4 times better than Davis, but he would get paid 4 times as much.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on
Jun 3, 2008 5:20 PM EDT
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Hills
Never made a mention of him getting cut. Not sure where you’re getting that. If you can find me on record saying HIlls will get cut, I’ll be might shocked.
I thought there was a chance Hills would be on practice squad this year, and in fact there is, as it’s been made clear that he could inform the team if a suitor comes calling, so he could be activated.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 4:56 PM EDT
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I suppose your comment on Hills...
...”Not sure why I didn’t include him in the first place” made me wonder.
by robert ethan on
Jun 3, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
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i see
Just an oversight on my part probably the first time.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 5:17 PM EDT
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Robert, robert, robert...
You’re so quick to dismiss. We’ve had countless discussions here about Booger, and the last word we heard was that he was not fully healed from his previous injury, so the FO didn’t want to sign him, but that they were still interested in him. He’s working out tomorrow for a couple teams (Steelers included, I believe), so we’ll know more information then. Until then, we should avoid making strong, absolute proclaimations about him.
Interesting point about long snappers, though. It would be nice if we could use that spot for someone who could play more often, but then again, I’ve never noticed Warren screwing up. Long snapper is a position where you don’t know what you have until you get a 325 pound inexperienced rookie defensive lineman to snap in an effort to cut corners. Maybe it’s better not to notice our LS.
by BadMaafala on
Jun 3, 2008 5:54 PM EDT
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well said
As I sometimes say with my job here (btw, leaving for Seattle to scout around), ‘Im doing my best if nobody knows I’m here.’ Works well for Curtain, and also means I’m not screwing anything up.
Definitely true for long snappers as well, though I agree, RE does bring up a good point when he mentions a bit more versatility out of that roster slot.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 5:57 PM EDT
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leaving tomorrow that is*
Hopefully cgolden will be able to do some posting while I travel.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 5:57 PM EDT
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McFarland is too small to play nose tackle, anyway..
I think he was just a vanity choice of Tomlin in order to give his 4-3 a chance to work. Better they stick with the 3-4 and find a younger player to back up Hampton and Hoke. Clement had better pro day measurables than Dorsey (5th overall), Ellis (7th overall), and Balmer (29th overall). Kyle was anywhere from 10-20 pounds heavier than any of them on the day they worked out as well. He crushed Dorsey’s numbers in the VJ, BJ, Short Shuttle, and 3-Cone. Dorsey was 6-1, 297 pounds, on the day he worked out, Clement was 6-4, 316.
by robert ethan on
Jun 5, 2008 1:40 AM EDT
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..Oh, and Clement did 10 more benchs
..than Dorsey as well.
by robert ethan on
Jun 5, 2008 1:43 AM EDT
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You have several man-crushes on UDFA's
Kyle Clement is not going to be Glenn Dorsey. If Clement beat him in drills, it shows you that drills don’t mean a whole lot. If he was as much of a sure bet as you are suggesting, he would have been drafted. Look at the OTA pictures of Clement. He’s overweight, not built. NFL players do not look like that. There is no way he could keep it together for a whole NFL game being as heavy as he is.
As for McFarland, he was never going to play the nose. Sure, he’s not the prototype for a 3-4 DE, but he can get after the QB and stop the run, which means that if healthy he’s way better than the other options we have at backup DE. It would be great if we got some young blood on the DL, but at this point there’s no reason to think that Kyle Clement is the future of our line.
by BadMaafala on
Jun 5, 2008 10:12 AM EDT
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LOL..."man crushes"...
I looked at the pictures on the Steeler’s site of the rookies visiting the H.O.F. Hard to imagine anyone having a crush on most of those rubes. I think the secretaries in the front office are probably pulling for Patrick Bailey or a couple of the others to make it ahead of Clement and Legursky as far as eye candy is concerned.
I knew as soon as I mentioned the workout numbers someone would accuse me of saying that Clement was a better prospect than Dorsey, but the only point I was trying to make is that while Clement may look “fat” to you, he must be a pretty good athlete to perform as well or better than the top drafted players at his position on his pro day. The other aspect to that is that Clement seems more naturally strong. The guys with the ripped bodies where you can watch the blood course through their veins every time their heart beats break down way faster. A lot of them are juiced as well.
Clement was 20 pounds heavier than those other DTs, moved much better in the shuttle and cone drills, and his size/strength seems natural and clean. That is backed up on the limited video I have seen, and also his career stats which show a very higher ratio of TFL and Sacks in relation to total tackles (as compared to other DT). Obviously he played at a much lower level of competition and has a steeper learning curve, but the team needs to bring in a young guy at the position soon with Hampton and Hoke both into their 30s.
Most of the same things apply to my other “man crush” Legursky. Both guys started 4 years at lower levels, both were perennial All Conference selections, both put up impressive stats, neither missed time with injuries, both tested really well, without any indications of character issues. More importantly, both players come in at positions where there are openings on the depth chart.
by robert ethan on
Jun 5, 2008 6:51 PM EDT
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Sound Points
Yeah, I’m not saying those guys won’t make the team, I’m just saying we have to be careful basing our roster selections on pro day workouts. I haven’t heard much scouting info on Clement in OTA’s or otherwise, which tells me he hasn’t amazed anyone up to this point. I think Legursky (who many thought would be drafted) in particular has a good chance of making the team, and our roster is wide open for UDFA DL’s who show any potential. We’ll just have to see how it plays out.
by BadMaafala on
Jun 6, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
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Someone blogging the Steeler OTAs mentioned Clement
..as being “the rookie lineman they (coaches) seemed to like best so far”. Or words to that effect. Granted, it is very early in the process.
I think it was Dale Lolley.
by robert ethan on
Jun 7, 2008 2:24 AM EDT
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think the steelers are targeting anyone
from other teams? veterans who might be cut or draft picks they had their eye on?
I would imagine other teams do these same rundown of potential posters and have their eyes on maybe a dixon or carey davis to be the odd man out. Much like Grant was one of the more notable ones this past season.
by vherub on Jun 3, 2008 4:52 PM EDT 0 recs
"potential rosters"
And not to suggest Dixon or Davis get cut- because I think they both will make the team.
by vherub on
Jun 3, 2008 4:54 PM EDT
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dookie vs. davis
Najeh’s cap hit = $1.25 million
Davis’ cap hit = $370,000
Try again robert. He’s not worth that much more than him as a runner.
by Blitzburgh on Jun 3, 2008 4:52 PM EDT 0 recs
Now You're Talking DaTruth's Language!
Roster cuts and speculation about cuts always gets the Datruth’s dander up:
A couple of quick thoughts:
- The Steelers didn’t draft Dennis Dixon in the 5th round to put him on the practice squad. He’ll be the 3rd QB on the opening day roster because he won’t make it to this team’s practice squad. Remember, Charlie Batch (who’s in the last year of his contract) won’t be around to back up the $100M man forever. Dixon will have his shot next year.
- This team has a spot for a full-time returner, whether it is Bloom, Walker or Marion (I don’t think Reid is all of a sudden going to wake up and be a hero overnight after being a zero the past few years). I do believe Rucker sticks, but the fifth WR won’t be active on game day anyway. A full-time returner, who can also play in the slot if need be and tackle somebody on a couple of the coverage teams, will.
- I think the team will keep 9 OL and 6 DL. They will stash two young DL on the practice squad to activate in case of trouble. I think they could probably trade Essex for a draft pick and keep J. Capizzi, Hills, and Stapleton (All young players they can keep for the next 3 to 4 years without having to pay big money). I just don’t see how Sean Mahan sticks. It’s never wise to throw good money after bad. Legursky is on the practice squad.
- As far as linebackers, A. Frazier stays over A. Harrison, who is just a guy. Frazier can come off the corner and play special teams and would be a nice backup for L. Woodley on the left side.
- The only way Mike Lorello makes the team is if he is a bonafide Skull crusher on special teams. I believe Mason beats him out for a roster spot because he can play some corner as well as free safety. One of the free rookies can still a roster spot here if they show potential as a corner as well as do real well on special teams. Tyrone Carter is out of here.
Your thoughts?
by datruth4life on Jun 3, 2008 5:32 PM EDT 0 recs
:)
Knew some roster talk would bring ya out.
We’ll need a full fledge post from you after OTAs.
As for 9 OL and 6 DL, where do those other two spots go? One you said, to a return specialist. Where’s that other spot go? A DB that can fill in at corner and play special teams like you said?
Dixon – do you tihnk he dresses or is just part of the 53 man team. And followup question – would he be better off on PS than as 3rd string QB if the plan is in fact to get him ready to move into the #2 role after this year? I’m not sure how practice dynamics are during the season vs. the practice schedules of the PS.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
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Dixon
Dixon could be the emergency 3rd QB, so he doesn’t take up a “dressed” spot.
by BadMaafala on
Jun 3, 2008 5:42 PM EDT
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ah ok
Hmm. Well, if it’s a proven mediocre player like Essex, Mahan, Kirschke that has to go to make room, so be it, I’m fine with that. I hope that young’n in the trenches doesnt miss out on a spot though.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 5:51 PM EDT
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Unless Dixon is ready to contribute right away (preliminary signs point to “no”), I don’t know know if he’ll make the team. We’ll have to see how he does in training camp.
by BadMaafala on
Jun 3, 2008 5:58 PM EDT
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good point about the returner vs. 5th receiver
It’s very possible that if they keep a returner who can also play receiver, that he’ll actually get more catches then whoever ends up as the 5th receiver. Injuries are the only way that the 5th receiver gets to dress but the returner will likely pick up a catch a game or so.
by cgolden on
Jun 4, 2008 7:36 AM EDT
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Hmm
I just can’t see us keeping 4 possible Centers around roster/practice squad. Even worse I still think Mahan makes the team as a back up center/guard seeing how he is a Tomlin personal pick and I believe a pretty big cap hit. That means Stapleton or Legursky will get cut. Personally I think the staff wants Stapleton thats why they are trying him at guard another reason to keep him, but big picture who ever makes the practice squad we will keep.
And no I am not secretly Mahan on a fan site begging for my job:)
If Dixion can play, I think he makes the team and dresses. Though we say we won’t use him as slash, using him in one formation a game makes another team have to spend time practicing for it.
by SteelBuckeye on Jun 3, 2008 7:07 PM EDT 0 recs
True true
I hope we show a few things with him early, provided he’s on the team and dressing to make teams have to at least account for it as you said.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 3, 2008 7:13 PM EDT
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12-4?
That’s how good I think we’ll be in ‘08. A lot of people are saying 9 wins (mostly hopeful Browns fans), but it ain’t happenin’. Browns will be lucky to finish .500 next year, let alone division champs.
GO STEELERS!
Take care, man!
-Mike Greenspire
-Mike Greenspire
by Mike Greenspire on Jun 3, 2008 8:27 PM EDT 0 recs
ty carter
I don’t see ty carter not having a roster spot. I certainly don’t see him getting ousted by lorello.
by 36chambers on Jun 3, 2008 9:51 PM EDT 0 recs
probably right chambers
I just checked to see if there was enough of a salary cap difference between the two to justify it, but we’re only on the hook for about 850 grand for Carter in 08, and about 250k for Lorello. That’s a decent sized difference, but the experience level disparities are too great I think and the position involved too important for the team to take that risk. If theres no injuries like last year, Carter would just be a reserve in non-essential situations. In the event of an injury, Lorello could have been in role of TCarter last year and that’s probably more frightening then I was initially willing to admit.
by Blitzburgh on
Jun 4, 2008 12:02 AM EDT
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What up blitz!
Yo Blitz, I think one of those spots have to go to a returner. There is no way that Tomlin and others can keep giving lip service to improving special teams without having someone back there that other teams have to think about every time he catches the ball.
I think that last spot will go to someone who is the best special teams player in the secondary. I think it would be a corner or a safety because your 5th cornerback is only one play from having to see significant time on the field if a starter goes down. I think the safeties will be Palomula, Clark, A. Smith and Mundy. The corners will be Ike, McFadden, Deshea, and W. Gay. That ninth spot is between Mason, Lorello, Madison, and the 2 rookie free agents.
I also would keep Rucker over Baker and Trannon as things stand right now. I don’t think Rucker will make it to our practice squad. Trannon (who currently has a broken hand) and Baker will. And as for Dixon, you need to keep 3 QBs because if Ben goes down, the team is going to need a quarterback to back up Batch anyways.
And with the current situation at QB in the NFL today, you don’t take chances on losing someone that could be your backup to Big Ben for the next 4 years starting next year. Keep him and let him develop. It’s time to start turning this roster over anyhow.
Your thoughts?
by datruth4life on Jun 3, 2008 10:31 PM EDT 0 recs
All this talk about a returner
Can’t we use Moore on Kickoff returns as well as punts? If I recall from last year, Rossum handled just about every single punt and kickoff that we had. I don’t see Moore getting more than 5 touches a game (probably less) from the RB position, so we need to have him field the ball on Punts and every time on Kickoffs.
Tony - Stillers Fan in Raleigh
by Tshaff on
Jun 4, 2008 8:22 AM EDT
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Moore
The problem with that is Moore is an above average PR returner but just an average (if that) KR. If the goal is to be an above average team, the goal should be to be above average at every position possible. In the end, I think Moore going to end up doing both but I’d just like to see them try to get some kind of dynamic force back there.
by cgolden on
Jun 4, 2008 9:28 AM EDT
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I sure hope our OLB stay healthy
With so much emphasis being placed on the pass rush as the key to our success, we really don’t have much depth behind J. Harrison and Woodley. I think if one of them went down we’d see Timmons on the outside. And it is a great idea to put in Davis/Frazier/A. Harrison to spell those OLB’s in certain situations.
Tony - Stillers Fan in Raleigh
by Tshaff on Jun 4, 2008 8:20 AM EDT 0 recs
Follow-up thoughts on returners/OLBs
- M. Moore will be the team’s primary punt returner, but the team also needs a primary kick returner to pair back their with Moore on kickoff returns. This person would fill in for Moore if he gets hurt or nicked up and could conceivably play some slot receiver in the game in the regular offense if needed.
- If your special teams have been putrid for several years and you are committed to improving it, you don’t try to cut corners. You put the players out there that can do the job.
- I don’t feel as concerned about the OLB situation as most. I think the Steelers will keep 9 LBs this year. I think A. Frazier will be the primary backup to Woodley and B. Davis will back up J. Harrison on the right side. Frazier is the type of swing OLB that LeBeau likes in his system because he can play either side and rush the passer. B. Davis will learn how to play ROLB exclusively before he is moved around to any other areas in the defense. With our schedule and hopes of doing something as a defense in late December and January, B. Davis and A. Frazier are going to have to eat up some snaps to make sure Woodley and Harrison aren’t gassed by the end of the season.
- LB Keyaron Fox will be active on game days and can also play outside linebacker in a pinch. A. Harrison hasn’t impressed me at all the last 2 years he’s been on the team. He’s just a body. From what little I’ve seen from Timmons, I just don’t think he is big enough or shed blocks well enough to play OLB in this defense, where he has to deal with OTs that outweigh him by about 100 pounds on every snap. I think he will be much more valuable with his speed at ILB, where he can shoot gaps, attack downhill and cover receivers, tight ends and running backs in coverage.
- I’d feel a lot better about the DL if they sign Booger. That way, the team could keep a younger body with a lot of potential (Clements, Paxson, McBean) because you would have Booger and Hokie as your primary backups. If that happened, I’d consider keeping a youngster that could play some now instead of 34-year-old Kirschke, whose best years are obviously gone. And if you need Kirschke later on in the season because of injuries to starters, he’ll be there. No other team is going to pick him up.
I hope that the player’s play will sort out this roster, but I’m not sure about the position judgement with this current coaching squad. They wouldn’t play Woodley this past year when he was clearly better than Haggans, kept Mahan as a starter when he shouldn’t have been and cotinually plays Colon at tackle when everyone and their mother knows that probably isn’t his best position. I think we’ll see the front office continue to take a more aggressive approach with players (ala signing Max Starks) and put pressure on the staff to make moves they might not want to make (moving Colon to guard and having Starks start at right tackle).
It’ll also be interesting to see what they do with M. Smith and B. McFadden, both in the last years of their contract.
Thoughts anyone?
by datruth4life on Jun 4, 2008 9:49 AM EDT 0 recs
having a hard time
buying into the McFarland talk, unless you guys know something I don’t. had too many surgeries and too old…....the fact he came in and worked out for us, means he thought he was ready then, but then he failed a physical…...i donno, just doesn’t sound good for Booger. if healthy, then yah, let’s get him but i don’t see it happening.
i disagree a bit about the position judgement—at least, i think there are other factors. Tomlin even said during the year they knew they wanted to get Woodley more snaps, and in the playoffs he got a ton of reps against Jacksonville, so I think they knew then for sure. maybe they were just doing Haggans a favor since they knew he would be leaving, the Rooneys are pretty good to the players and usually when they aren’t going to re-sign a guy they play him alot so he can potentially get a contract somewhere else. Joey Porter played a ton, and looking back, shouldn’t have James Harrison played a bit more in Porter’s final season? as far as the O-line, i’m almost positive we kept Starks on the bench last year to try and keep his value down, now we are giving him the big tender to repay the favor possibly….......we definitely need some roster turnover on the O-line though…..the guy who keeps getting overlooked is Kendall Simmons, this year has to be make or break for him, if he starts to falter again we have to put Colon inside and cut Simmons.
by TheMostViolentTeam on Jun 4, 2008 10:23 AM EDT 0 recs
Woodley's playing time
I remember from the middle of last season when I was listening to the ‘Junker and Crow show’ on ESPN radio 1250 and they had a segment each week with LaMarr Woodley in studio. After his quick start they started asking him why he wasn’t playing more and after several weeks of skirting around the question he finally said he didn’t fully know the playbook. He went on to talk about how much there was to learn not only coming from college in his rookie season but also trying to learn such a complex position so quickly. He kind of hinted that basically he would just rush the passer and Haggans was left to do most of the coverage and other aspects of the OLB position.
by cgolden on
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Cgolden is golden once again
Cgolden, I remember som


