2009 Offseason Will Be Critical For The Steelers
So I was bored this morning and was taking a look at the contract status the current roster and one thing kept jumping out at me: there are an awful lot of players who will be free agents. This past off season was a relatively easy one for the front office considering there weren't many free agents and outside of the Max Starks fiasco, there weren't many difficult decisions. February 2009 would be a completely different story though, here's a quick list of the free agents to be:
| Player | Position | Player | Position | |
| Marvel Smith | OT | Charlie Batch | QB | |
| Max Starks | OT | Anthony Smith | FS | |
| Willie Colon | OT | Anthony Madison | DB |
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| Trai Essex | OT | Grant Mason | DB | |
| Chris Kemoeatu | OG | Bryant McFadden | CB | |
| Nate Washington | WR | James Farrior | LB | |
| Willie Reid | WR | Arnold Harrison | LB | |
| Najeh Davenport | RB | Andre Frazier | LB | |
| Carey Davis | FB |
Ryan McBean |
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Wow, in case anyone is counting that list of players has combined to start 295 games and play in over 500 games for the Steelers. Now to be honest some of these guys will be restricted free agents and several of these names are possible cut victims during camp. Willie Colon, Willie Reid, Anthony Smith, Anthony Madison, Grant Mason, Arnold Harrison and Ryan McBean will all be restricted free agents and Carey Davis might be as well but I'm not sure because he's actually been in the league since 2004.
Obviously the biggest losses will come on the offensive line. While one or two of these guys may get new deals in Pittsburgh, they simply can't all be retained. If I'm taking guesses, the most likely would seem to be Chris Kemoeatu, who might get a new deal before the season even starts. After Chris K, I'd have to think either Starks or Marvel, but that'll likely depend on who the front office/coaching staff sees as the future at left tackle. Essex is just a guy so I'd imagine with Hills being added to the mix, this is probably his final season in the Burgh.
Washington, Reid, Davenport, and Batch are probably playing their final season here, if they make it through the season. Reid and Davenport seem to be on the chopping block already. Washington's future took a shot with the drafting of Limas Sweed. Carey Davis will probably get a new deal even if he isn't a RFA, if for no other reason than he'll likely be very cheap.
For the defensive guys, the two big questions are obvious: what to do with McFadden and Farrior? Is Farrior worth a new deal at 33 years old and will he be willing to give a 'hometown discount?' Can McFadden stay healthy long enough to finally prove he's the playmaker that some of us think he is? I honestly don't know the answers to these questions and even though I'd really like to see both of these guys back in 2009 and beyond, it'll likely depend on whether they want to be here or not.
So who do you see as they guys we absolutely have to keep? Is this something we should be concerned about or does this look like a purge of mostly marginal players?
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You really think Batch is leaving?
I thought he’s basically said that he doesn’t really want to play anywhere else.
Otherwise, what would Farrior be worth on the open market relative to what he’s making now?
And I don’t think there’s a point speculating about the O-line further. At this point, I have to assume the front office has some type of plan for the future given that none of the issues were really addressed in this year’s draft or in free agency.
by HinesField on Jun 4, 2008 9:32 AM EDT 0 recs
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I don’t think they drafted Dixon to be the third string QB and if they did it’s a wasted pick. If they hadn’t drafted him, I think Batch might already have 2 year extension or something like that.
As for Farrior, there’s always some to willing to overpay for a proven veteran (cough, cough NE). And remember it only takes one. Plus I’m still not sure that the front office would want to give him another deal. If Timmons comes on and plays well in Foote’s spot, they might feel comfortable just sliding Timmons over and letting Foote start in his old spot. That would likely save a couple million and keep them from having to invest in a guy on the backside of his career. Just a thought.
by cgolden on
Jun 4, 2008 9:44 AM EDT
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Wasn’t Batch our number 3 QB coming into 2005? Would he be willing to work out a deal with the team to spend his twilight career years as the 3rd QB? Also, how long can we keep Dixon as a number two? If he plays well enough to start elsewhere when Ben’s dinged up (he hasn’t played a full 16 yet), Dixon will become a commodity for us. Either we’ll lose when he’s an UFA, or we’ll trade him like Atlanta did with Shaub. Either way, it’s unlikely that Dixon is a long term backup.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on
Jun 4, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
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Thoughts
It would not be easy to let Farrior walk – hopefully he would be willing to take less than his market value in order to retire a Steeler. I think that Batch would be in the same boat – if he signs for a minimal value they might keep him around. I believe that Dixon won’t be utilized in other ways than strictly a backup QB – so it might not be the worst thing to keep Charlie around. The O-Line is crapshoot that I won’t touch – A lot depends on how guys perform this year.
McFadden is one guy to watch – I’m sure most remember that he signed with Rosenhaus (known douchebag swindler). I can see him finally playing up to his potential this year – and then signing a huge contract in the offseason with another team – because we would not likely pay top dollar. I think that this is one real scenario – if he is healthy and can come into camp and finally beat deshea. It would be one of those deals that leaves me kind of bitter since we would be developing him and someone else would reap the rewards.
by smashmouthsteel on Jun 4, 2008 9:50 AM EDT 0 recs
Typo
Dixon will be utilized in more ways than a backup QB.
by smashmouthsteel on Jun 4, 2008 9:51 AM EDT 0 recs
The two most interesting decision will be with Marvel Smith and Farrior. If Smith stays healthy, I say he gets re-signed, unless someone really impresses at LT in camp this year. Farrior is still a good player, he either takes a huge pay cut to re-sign here or he is gone. I’m guessing he’s out next year. He’s at the age where the Steelers don’t really sign guys to another contract. Which is a shame as he probably has 2 more decent years left.
I’m also guessing the Kemo gets a contract sometime this year if he proves worthy.
by Cols714 on Jun 4, 2008 10:10 AM EDT 0 recs
Farrior
has already given us discounts before, restructuring his deal to stay in Pittsburgh. i think he’s gonna be here as long as he wants to be. he’ll definitely give us a “discount”. Batch is the same, he’s said he wants to be here, it’s his hometown and all that, he’s not going to start anywhere. Kemo will probably get a deal in training camp if he’s playing well. The biggest question mark is Marvel Smith. Will Max Starks and Colon show they can be our two tackles and we lock them up and our tackle positions are set for the future? Will Marvel Smith play at a really high level again, and we’ll let him get big money somewhere else, or we’ll keep him. I hope Smith plays at a high level and we re-sign him for a decent deal, LT’s play well into their mid 30’s, Smith has just turned 30 I believe. Then let either Colon or Starks go, keep whichever is better.
by TheMostViolentTeam on Jun 4, 2008 10:13 AM EDT 0 recs
Here's my question to all those to want Batch to be here in 2009
Why did you we draft Dennis Dixon? The front office and coaching staff have already made it clear that he’s not going to be a ‘slash’ player. Ok with that in mind, do you honestly think Dixon will sign a second contract in Pittsburgh knowing that he’ll forever be the #2 here? If he really views himself as a backup QB in the NFL, then so be it, but no professional accepts being a bench warmer. In my mind that means we have Dixon for four seasons at the most (rookie contract +1 RFA year) . If that’s the case, I don’t see any reason to keep Batch.
I know we all love Batch for how he’s bailed the team out the couple of times that Ben’s gotten nicked up, but I just can’t see drafting a guy to be 3rd string on the depth chart at best.
by cgolden on
Jun 4, 2008 10:37 AM EDT
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I have have no idea why they drafted Dixon
but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep Batch around. If Dixon can’t beat Batch out for he 2nd string spot by 2009 or 2010, why would we want to have him around for 2-3 more years? I think it was a bad draft pick because, as you said, he’s not going to want to be a career backup. Stability at backup QB is a good thing, and I’d rather have a seasoned veteran who knows his role than a guy who isn’t going to be ready to play for a few years after which he’ll leave to try and start somewhere. Batch is worth a cheap contract (which he’ll take) to stay with the team and provide insurance on Dixon’s development.
by BadMaafala on
Jun 4, 2008 10:57 AM EDT
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Dixon
was drafted because after Batch the Steelers have no one at QB. If Batch will come cheap he will be resigned. If Dixon is better in Latrobe in 09 he will be number 2 and if Batch can still play he will be number 3.
Never hurts to have depth behind 7 just in case…
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by 5020 on
Jun 4, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
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Looks like you're thinking
what I was thinking. I think that Batch could stay on, even as number 3. The question is, will Batch still be playing when Dixon is gone (either bust, or traded because he looks like he could start elsewhere)?
by WolfpackSteelersFan on
Jun 4, 2008 1:08 PM EDT
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Dixon 2
Here is what I think in the best or good case scenario; it usually takes 3-5 years for a QB to develop. If you let Dix handle #3 on roster or PS this year he can possibly be ready to step into #2 next year. If he does it may work out that he can handle #2 and the “Slash Role” so many talked about on this site. He could play some over the next few years maybe even developing into the WR that Kordell didn’t want to be. If he doesn’t develop into #2 immediately you still have Batch until Dix develops in 3-5. At that point if Dix has shown flashes you have a choice. Ben will be a 9 year veteran when Dix is entering year 5. Having options is good.
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by 5020 on
Jun 4, 2008 4:54 PM EDT
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Good points
The only problem then is you may run into the Joe Montana/Steve Young scenario. But, come one, what am I thinking, that we have two future HOF QBs on our roster right now? How likely is that? Would be sweet, though. Especially if Ben and Dixon win 5 SBs between them like Montana and Young.
We’ll see, I guess.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on
Jun 4, 2008 5:29 PM EDT
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I disagree, the best QBs show they are going to be good in their first 2 years. Manning, Palmer, Brady, Ben, etc. all played pretty well in their first 2 years. They weren’t superstars yet and still had growing pains, but you knew they were going to be good.
Of course there are exceptions, but I don’t think you need to wait 5 years to know if your guy is good.
by Cols714 on
Jun 4, 2008 5:32 PM EDT
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What about
Steve Young, Terry Bradshaw, Drew Brees, Tony Romo (didn’t sniff the field until year 3)?
I know Young was stuck behind Montana, but before that he was with the Bucs, and nobody saw him going anywhere then.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on
Jun 4, 2008 5:36 PM EDT
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Bradshaw is definitely an outlier, nobody today would give him those 4 years to develop. Young and Romohad already shown they were going to be good before they were full time starters, but were stuck behind veterans. I don’t remember what happened to Brees, but I think he played pretty well in his 2nd year.
Anyways, my point is that you generally know if your QB is going to be good or not before the allotted 3-5 year window. I know there are exceptions…
by Cols714 on
Jun 4, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
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Had Young and Romo shown that in the first two years? Like I said, Young was in Tampa, and I don’t think anyone thought he would be a great QB until he started showing something in SF. Take a look at his career stats.
His first two years, he had around a 53% completion percentage, 11 TDs and 21 INTs. Hardly and auspicious start.
Romo, I really never heard of him until he got his start about a third of the way through his 3rd season. I believe he got a look because “he looked good in practice” and Bledsoe was struggling. And, unlike Young, Romo wasn’t stuck behind a legend in his town. Bledsoe had already been displaced by JP Losman in Buffalo.
Brees struggled his first three years. If they knew by year two that he was the answer, they never would have drafted Rivers.
Also, I forgot about David Garrard, Trent Dilfer, Rich Gannon. There really is no formula. Some guys step up quickly, others take time to develop, and then become great, or at least very good.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on
Jun 5, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
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Semantics
We’re saying it takes a QB 3-5 to develop (3 on the short end) and you want to argue that you can tell in two? In the NBA we call that ticky tack.
Every scenario is different. Sometimes a rookie comes in and wins 13 straight games (Ben) and sometimes he comes in and it takes a couple years. (Hasselback, Delhomme)
Point is if Dix is a stud how does that hurt the Steelers? Answer; it doesn’t.
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by 5020 on
Jun 4, 2008 11:10 PM EDT
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Well...
From my perspective, Batch really only has two or three years remaining, including this upcoming system. Given that Batch is pretty much guaranteed to be the #2 next season, is there really any chance of Dixon being ready to move into the #2 spot in the 2009-10 season?
Along your lines of reasoning, there are really only two possibilities. Dixon becomes this great (or at least pretty decent) quarterback and we’ll basically have to trade him since there’s no way he’ll want to be behind Ben his whole career. Alternatively, he becomes perfectly “average” for a #2, which means he won’t be starting anywhere anyway.
Hell, if Brady Quinn is going to spend two or more years as a backup, I’m sure as hell not going to worry if Dixon spends two or three years as a #3.
by HinesField on
Jun 4, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
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FA situation
A little more than a year ago, 2008 looked like the bad year, with Faneca, Porter, Starks, Simmons, Polamalu all free agents. It looks bad, but we’ll keep the RFA’s we want (Colon, Smith, McBean and Reid if we want them). Essex, Davenport, Davis, and Washington are all expendable or cheap. Farrior is not going to command big money from anyone, and he wants to stay here. If he leaves we’ll survive; Humpal or Davis both have some chance of replacing him next year.
The priority signings are Kemoeatu, McFadden, Smith, and Starks, loosely in that order. Kemo is a young guy who we need in our IOL but shouldn’t get a huge contract offer. McFadden needs to step up and show he’s worthy of a good contract. We have nothing behind him, so we’re pretty much counting on him or a rookie next year at this point. We need to sign one of our tackles to a longer contract, but I have no idea which one. I really like Smith, but he is getting older. Starks, on the other hand, isn’t going to sign a contract for cheap considering his leverage, and I don’t know if he’s worth more than a modest contract.
So we need to sign 2-3 guys to modest contracts right now, make the right decision at OT, sign the RFA’s we want, and sign some cheap folks. That’s all very doable. I don’t think the turnover will be significant next year.
As for Batch, he’ll be signed next year to compete with Dixon for the backup spot. He loves Pittsburgh, so he’s not going anywhere else. That’d be great if Dixon can beat him out, but we shouldn’t count on that happening. Also, he would be a very solid option as a #3 QB, and he’s a good team guy that could continue to help Dixon. Vet min or a cheap 2 year deal for him, I promise.
by BadMaafala on Jun 4, 2008 10:15 AM EDT 0 recs
if there is one thing
that is sure about our front office, we almost always keep the guys we want, and sign them more than a year in advance. obviously there are situations that arise that complicate that (Kemoeatu on a one year tender because he was behind an All-Pro player for so long, Marvel Smith’s injury, etc), but I wouldn’t be too worried about it. we’ll probably announce some deals during training camp once the coaching staff gets a better look at the players.
by TheMostViolentTeam on Jun 4, 2008 10:26 AM EDT 0 recs
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I worry for Batch leaving… it wouldn’t be tragic if he did, but I think there are always teams in the market for a dependable veteran backup QB. Hell I’ll take him in Chicago over any current starters. Same for a team like Minnesota. So if he wants one last decent payday he’ll go elsewhere. If he wants to play for the Steelers he’ll probably have to take league veteran minimum especially with the signing of Dixon.
by Chicago Steeler on Jun 4, 2008 10:32 AM EDT 0 recs
The two people who can probably make themselves some money (from the Steelers) next year by playing well this year are Marvel and McFadden. They play well, they get rewarded with nice contracts.
by Cols714 on Jun 4, 2008 10:55 AM EDT 0 recs
M. Smith, McFadden are keepers
I agree with the previous post above that the Steelers front office probably already has a plan in place for what they want to do with M. Smith. If he shows that his back is fine, I wouldn’t be against them signing him up for about 3 more years. LT’s that are good don’t grow on trees. I still think they will try to sign Starks to a deal before the season that will keep him around for a few years and provide insurance in case M. Smith leaves (Capizzi and Hills provide some depth at the spot as well).
B. McFadden is the most interesting case, just due to the fact that he has to put up or shut up this year. He has all the motivation in the world to perform this year and I think he has the skill level. If he shows that he can be a starting quality corner, the Steelers have to resign him. Having he, Ike, and Troy together (3 good DBs in their prime) for the next 3 to 4 years would help in the Steelers making a run for that one for the next thumb.
I think Farrior would probably be resigned for a 1 or 2 year deal after this one, if he doesn’t fall off too much or they might just plug in Timmons and let him go. If Kemo shows that he can be a starter, I think they will try to lock him up with a moderate contract.
Thoughts?
by datruth4life on Jun 4, 2008 11:59 AM EDT 0 recs
I don’t think the Steelers will sign Starks to a long term deal unless he wins the starting RT job this camp. Even then, he may be too expensive. Marvel Smith, as I’ve stated before, keep him if his back is healthy. I don’t share your optimism on McFadden, he’s had 3 years to win the job and hasn’t done it yet. I’m guessing he spends another year as the #3 CB and is gone. I want him to win the starting corner job, I just don’t think he will.
by Cols714 on Jun 4, 2008 12:42 PM EDT 0 recs
FO
will look at everyone perform in Latrobe and then make decisions on whom to pay and whom to let go. Once they see how Kemo, Starks, Essex, Marvel, Hartwig and Mahan play they will decide who they can and want to sign and who isn’t worthy. They surely hope Kemo steps up and can play G. He would come at a good wage for the Steelers in a negotiated long term deal. Same with Starks. Once they judge Marvel’s health and Colon’s development it will go a long way in determining if Max plays and they work out something long term.
One thing I know about these guys piloting this ship is that they are looking at the big picture down the road. They are looking much farther ahead than most of us. For the bewildered that’s why they give a guy like Starks who didn’t start last year 7 million. It’s what allowed them to draft Mendenhall. The Rooney’s have their sh*t together. My guess is it will all work out.
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by 5020 on Jun 4, 2008 5:04 PM EDT 0 recs
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I too was very surprised with the Steeler’s draft of Dennis Dixon. However, in trying to figure out the whys of that pick I came up with this reasoning.
Charlie has alot going on in his life away from football with his charities and investments in his community. I really believe he’s going to retire after this upcoming season or the next. The Steelers were not really satisfied with St. Pierre as a backup and he was’nt really satisfied here. Good luck in Pittsburgh West Brian. In steps Zabransky before St. Pierre is released. Dixon is drafted as a much better and good value prospect than Zabransky or the departed St. Pierre to move up to #2 should something serious (God forbid) happened to Ben or Charlie retires in the next year or two. If Charlie does leave the Steelers have a potentially equal or better backup in Dixon. If that dose’nt make sense think of it as insurance or just plain good managing.
by steelersrock08 on Jun 4, 2008 5:58 PM EDT 0 recs
Batch and Co.
I agree with 50 about the Steelers looking long term. Here’s my take:
First of all this is going to be a three QB operation. St. Pierre was never going to be anything more than a good #3 as long as Batch was around, and there is no reason to get rid of Batch. He became too expensive to be a #3 and had to go. That was predictable last year. This is where I disagree with most who have posted on this thread. The #2 has to be able to function as a credible #1 for short or extended periods of time, otherwise every quality team is one play away from unqualified disaster. Batch could start for a number of teams right now, but is undesirable because of his age. (And be careful not to judge him based upon his limited play last year. You can get awfully rusty playing backup) The real measure would be how he would play over the course of two or three consecutive games. Given the fact that Batch is getting long in tooth, the #3 has to have the potential to become the #2, and following logically, the #1. Dixon fills that role better than Zabransky.
Farrior stays as long as he wants. If he stops offering discounts then he’s signaled that he wants to leave. All other decisions are probably dependent on data we don’t have yet, but my guess is that the team would be inclined to keep McFadden if he shows potential to fulfill his upside. I agree with datruth (usually do) that LeBeau and Tomlin are really in the process of seriously upgrading the defense. Which should pretty exciting given that they weren’t that bad last year.
by RickVa on Jun 4, 2008 8:05 PM EDT 0 recs
Dixon is high reward, low risk
Charlie Batch has widely been considered a superb back-up for the Steelers, but at age 33, it is fair to guess that 2008 could be one of his last really good back-up years. Perfect timing for Dixon, who spends a year on the JV squad and then passes Batch in the night as our #2 guy. He would then be under cheap contract for three more years to back up Ben. Excellent usage of a #5 draft pick.
If, as I’ve read several times, Dixon is better than a back-up and itches to be a starter somewhere, then surely we could get far better than #5 in a future trade. Years 3 and 4 of Dixon’s tenure with us will be valuable either way.
The only other option is that Dixon is a fizzle, in which case, both the money and draft risks are negligible. Check out our fifth round picks the last 20 years and see how few of them you can even recognize. The way I see it there are three scenarios that play out for Dixon: two of them positive and one a basic wash.
by maryrose on Jun 4, 2008 9:07 PM EDT 0 recs













