Steelers Not in Booger Sweepstakes...At Least So It Seems. 5 Questions Addressing What's Next?
The agent for Anthony 'Booger' McFarland said the private workout for his client on Tuesday went well. Though many teams had sent reps to view it, the Steelers were not one of them. When asked if the Steelers were still interested in McFarland's services in 2008, agent Karl Bernard could only say 'I don't know'.
Allow me to use that tidbit to segway into a few questions for the group about the defensive line. But before I do so, let me first say that I have been bombarded by Seahawks fans here in Seattle about my affinity for the Steelers. Last night, at an event for digital media folks here in Seattle, I was introduced to a number of big-wigs who asked me what I did. Of course, in addition to the other endeavors I'm involved in, I was eager to mention my website devoted to the Pittsburgh Steelers. I was forthright and candid about my history with the site and my love for the team, not shying away one iota from it, but it was interesting in several instances, engaging in that conversation with a few local bigshots who clearly cared about the 'Hawks. I suppose we'll see if their resentment from the Super Bowl carries over into their decision to employ me. I'll keep y'all posted :)
On to the questions...
1) With McFarland seemingly out of the mix for now, who do you see as the most likely candidate to contribute behind the 'Big 3' of Keisel, Hampton and Smith? Eason, Kirschke, Hoke, or one of the UDFA rookie acquisitions?
My take: I won't laugh at you if you make the case for Kirschke, Eason or Hoke, but at this point in all three of their careers, it's pretty clear what you're going to get. From Hoke, solid play, but little pass rush. From Kirschke, meh, nothing special, particularly along the line (he was once extremely valuable as a special teams ace, but not so much anymore); and from Eason - well, he's one heckuva OTA brawler. For the record, I'm less down on Eason as most, but I'm more than willing to realize that he's not good enough to be a viable replacement on a defense as solid as the Steelers'. I'll leave it at that for now and let you guys make a case for the remaining options out there, or for one of those three.
2) We all saw what a difference the New York Giants outstanding defensive line did against the Patriots and throughout the entire 2007 playoffs. Can the Steelers realistically expect to make some noise in the 2008 regular season and (hopefully) playoffs with such a thin defensive line?
My take: I'm personally not at all worried about Big Snack Hampton staying healthy and dominating this coming year. Sure, he may be over 30 years of age, but he's still a force in the middle and next to impossible to run against up the shoot. Keisel has proven himself to be extremely durable. Aaron Smith, of course, is the X factor. If he's healthy and at top-form, we're awfully tough up front. Without him, it's a crapshoot. Regardless of whether or not they're healthy, I don't see any Justin Tuck's on our squad. Translation: I don't see any versatile guys who can both stop the run and find different ways to attack the QB - be it with a bull-rush or sheer speed. This could be a problem. What do you think?
3) Can LaMarr Woodley and James Harrison make up for some of the deficiencies along the line?
My take: I'm not sure. I'd like to hear from you guys how and why some dominant play by our outside backers in the 3-4 can compensate for less than spectacular play by the front 3. Of course, it's perfectly reasonable to think that our front 3 will be great if there's no injuries to them, but in the event that there is, how much of a difference can two outstanding OLBs make in this scheme? We saw what Harrison could do as a disrupter last year, but when opposing offenses realized that Clark Haggans didn't really need to be accounted for, Harrison's production dropped off significantly. With Woodley (presumably) ready to start and produce, might the two of them be enough to offset any deficiencies we have in the trenches?
4) The Pittsburgh Steelers finished 2007 ranked #13 in sacks with 36. Will we have more or fewer in 2008? By how many either way, and who will lead the team in that department? For the record, the top two defenses in terms of sacks were the New York Giants and New England Patriots. Rounding out the top 5 were Dallas, Seattle, and San Diego. Any theme there?
My take: I think we will surpass 2007's total, but perhaps not by much. Let me say real quick that I think LaMarr Woodley is being burdened with ENORMOUS expectations, both here on this site, and by the national media. Woodley is all of a sudden everybody's trendy pick to have 10+ sacks and make the Pro-Bowl. Is he capable? Absolutely. Would it be a disappointment if he had 7 sacks, 75 tackles and played 14-16 games? Not in my mind. Just saying. Don't allow all this hype to skew what we expect of this young man. Anyway, I'd be pleased if we surpassed our 2007 total, but more importantly, I hope the distribution of our sack totals is more evenly spread out than it was last year. I'll have to dig up the numbers again, but if I recall correctly, a disproportionate number of our sacks came early on in the season, while we failed to get after the opposing QB come November and December. That's got to change in 2008. If I had to pick a leader for this coming year I'll go with Harrison. I think Woodley will do his thing, but based on all the hype surrounding Woodley, it wouldn't surprise me if he got more attention from defensive coordinators than Silverback, which could in turn lead to him being lined up in abundant 1-on-1 situations while LaMarr garnered double teams. We'll see. What do you think?
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great questions Blitz
as always…....do my best to add my insight
1) first of all, i don’t think we’re done on the D line, we’ll probably pick up a veteran who gets cut (hopefully for salary cap reasons, not for overly slipping performance) at some point in training camp, that said, Hoke has always been very good backing up Hampton, and I really liked our “Jumbo” package last year when we would use 4 linemen, Smith, Hoke, Hampton, Keisel….thats an ENORMOUS 4 man line, and everytime we went to it, we were successful (we used it the most in the Seattle game). i think you’ll see a little bit more of it mixed in this year. for other backups they are all average backups at best, so hopefully McBean gets healthy and can show something, or one of the UDFA’s can get in the rotation on a limited basis. not too worried about injuries, remember, Keisel is rarely injured, Hampton has been healthy the last few years, and A. Smith’s injury last year was his first ever, and not the kind of injury that is recurring (like ankle, back, or knee problems). so having a healthy starting D line the whole year isn’t much of a stretch.
2) Absolutely we can make noise with this D-line, if we are healthy the whole year. You are already seeing Tomlin lighten the workload for training camp, and that is probably partly due to the age of the D-line, doesn’t want them to wear out as the year goes on. You might also see some of the backups getting in the rotation at the beginning of the season, so that at the end of the season and the playoffs we can play the starters more and they will be fresher. Our D-line is excellent when healthy, which is usually.
3) Again, I really believe the OLBs can help. Remember, in a 3-4 defense at least one of the OLBs is almost always basically the 4th (or 5th if both rush) linemen. I don’t think Woodley is a case of all hype over nothing, he is tremendously strong and athletic, and also extremely skilled as a pass-rusher. I predict just over 10 sacks for him. Teams will pick their poison and early in the season they will continue to chip/double Harrison until Woodley proves he has “the goods” as Tomlin says. I see him doing that and going on a tear early in the season, especially since there isn’t alot of film on how to best defend him yet. Teams will then adjust and he’ll fall off the pace a bit but still be productive. Harrison should also be helped later in the season as teams start to sometimes focus on Woodley and thus, I predict about 12 for Harrison. This will also have the effect of further opening up the middle of the pocket for the famous “X-Blitz” our inside backers run all the time. With Timmons in the middle now that should also be improved. Early in the year we brought Ike Taylor on a couple corner blitzes and I thought he did well with it with his tremendous speed. With Timmons, who is much faster than Foote at the ILB spot now, we can afford to send a corner blitz a bit more often as Timmons can drop in coverage much better than Foote, and has the speed to keep up—at least for a few seconds.
4) I think our sacks total will be improved not greatly, but moderately, between Woodley and Harrison I expect 20-24. The inside linebackers should get another 10-12 between them (Farrior had six last year I believe). That puts us at 30-36 already. Throw in a few random sacks here and there from the D-line (Keisel should get a few), a few from the secondary, and a couple from backup LBs. 43-45. Along with that another year for Tomlin and LeBeau to tweak the playbook.
by TheMostViolentTeam on Jun 6, 2008 10:27 AM EDT reply actions
Hello BTSC!
I’ve been reading here for about a month now, and must say that this is exactly the type of forum that I have been looking for regarding my beloved Steelers.
Now on to your questions:
1. Hoke will provide solid play, but the pass rush on the QB will have to primarily come from the OLB’s and DE’s. It was the same when we lost Big Snack a few years back. I like him first over Eason and Kirschke at DE, but understand that we don’t have another NT anywhere else on the roster. Eason is just a body, and Kirschke has definitely seen better days.
What’s Kimo VO up to these days?
2. Our DL is not set up like the NYG is. Our defense is made primarily for the OLB to collect the vast majority of our sacks, while not sacrificing as much coverage on TE’s, and RB’s. This also allows us the ability to be more creative on our DB blitzes.
This is not to take away that we need a stout DL, without which our OLB are not as free to man up with a RB, but is to say that Aaron Smith is not going to be the terror that Strahan is to a QB. When Smith was out we did see a dropoff in LB production. This segues nicely to number 3.
3. Woodley showed that when Aaron Smith was out that a fresh and capable pass rushing OLB can be a difference maker. With Woodley, Silverback, and Davis all available I am more excited than I was with Haggans back there.
4. I believe that Timmons and Woodley will make the difference this year. I also see Ike Taylor stepping up his sack totals as well. With the infusion of youth in the linebacking corps I think that Lebeau will find more places for sacks with the DB’s as well. Even if Troy’s injuries cause him to miss a few games, I can see A Smith being very productive in SS blitzes. cant see him productive as a free saftey matched up with Troy though.
"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"
at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.
by PA ARMY OFFICER on Jun 6, 2008 10:35 AM EDT reply actions
hehe
I like your signature underneath your name. How much would that suck if one’s mother injured greatly their favorite athlete.
Welcome to the site and glad you jumped into to comment.
D questions
1) None of the DE’s are even worth putting into the rotation, which is a problem as the season progresses. I like Hoke, even though he’s getting old, and he still is a better pass rusher than Hampton. Our top 3 are great, but they’re going to wear down as the season goes along unless they get some rest. Hopefully McBean or an UDFA will be able to contribute by the second half of the season. Where’s Orien Harris these days?
2) Something to keep in mind is how good the rest of our team is. Our DL might be a little worse than last year, but our LB’s should be the best group we’ve had in a long time, with 2 former All-Pro’s and 2 promising young guys. I wouldn’t object to trading a 3rd or 4th round pick for a DL that could be our #4, but we can survive a thin DL if the other areas of our team play up to their potential. A great QB with tons of weapons can cover up an average run defense.
3) Yes. Both should be very good at pass rushing, and we can’t forget that Bruce Davis gives us a legitimate backup there. Davis probably won’t be doing much more than rushing the QB, but we know he can go that. If he can take some snaps off the more well rounded Harrison, we should be in a good place.
4) I think Keisel, Harrison, and Woodley will all put up good sack numbers this year. You’re right about Woodley, and I’d take the 75 tackles for sure. Woodley got several freebee sacks last year, and teams are certainly going to wise up. However, this tandem may be as good as or better than the Porter/Haggans team was in their prime, so teams can’t always be blocking both of them. Add in Davis to spell the starters, Keisel, who could benefit from all the attention going to the OLB’s, plus Timmons and Farrior who are capable pass rushers in their own right, and you have to think that someone should be able to get the QB.
As I suggested before, if our offense can consistently put teams in passing situations (a la Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer circa 2005), it should cover up our possibly average run defense and create many sack and fumble opportunities for our pass-rush oriented defense. A lot of that depends on how our OL shapes up this year, our running game, and Ben’s ability to check down and move the ball a little more consistently. If we’re ahead by 14 points and eating up the clock with the running game, that schedule will be decidedly easier for the guys in the trenches.
welcome back Blitz
Making us do some seriuos sole searching on a Friday though?
The more that I think about the D-line, the worse I feel about our chances in 2008. At least on the O-line there are enough young warm bodies to sustain an injury or two, but on the D-line I’m not so sure. The starting three as solid and should be able to free up Farrior and Foote/Timmons to wreak havoc.
As for Kirschke, Eason and Hoke: I’m ok with Hoke and Kirschke but Eason doesn’t inspire much confidence in my mind. I really hope one of the UDFA’s can be a diamond in the rough type of guy and beat him out.
Silverback and Woodley: You make a great point about the expectations that we’re putting on Woodley. If he ends up being half the player that we’re all expecting he’ll still be a damn good player. Woodley and Silverback will both have to be impact players though if this defense is going to dominate. That’s a lot to ask a 30 year old and a first year starter and god forbid one of them goes down.
Enough gloom and doom, the starters should be very good to possibly great but the depth is pretty uninspiring.
answers?
1. Depth is certainly an issue… I’m hoping Lebeau stays creative with his formations to rotate those guys out to keep them fresh. I feel like Keisel was in every single package last year which probably contributed to him not quite having the step to finish the QB off.
2. I agree that our D-Line just needs to be solid, not spectacular in rushing the passer. Letting our LBs and Troy apply the real pressure.
3. Woodley should start out well. He’s got it together. I don’t know if Pro Bowl is a reasonable expectation but I think that opposing lines will have a hard time blocking everyone this year.
4. I think we beat our sack numbers from last year by 7-8.
5. Isn’t there supposed to be 5 questions? Oh well… I’ll answer C.
by Chicago Steeler on Jun 6, 2008 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
Let's see
1. I hope that this Clement kid beats out Eason. I think that Hoke is solid, and hopefully Kirschke doesn’t decline any this year. Maybe we’ll pick up a veteran who’s cut, as TMVT has said.
2. Sure, we can make some noise. They have a 4-3, not a 3-4, so they need to have dominant DL-men. The Steelers D will be more dependent on the dominance of the LBs.
3. I think so. Maybe it’s more likely next year, once Woodley’s had a year starting under his belt. But, even with that, he should be making his impact later in the season and the playoffs, as he gains more experience.
4. I think our sack total will improve. A lot of that will be dependent on how quickly Woodley masters his starter role, and how healthy Aaron Smith and Troy Polomalu are. I would guess we’re back up around 45 sacks for the year.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jun 6, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
great questions Blitz
And unfortunately I don’t have the answers and we are going to have to wait and see. The defense and special teams are my major concerns for the Steelers 2008 campaign. We know what to expect from the Steelers Dline even during an injury-prone year as last year. If the D-line stays healthy and does an effective job in rotating players, the LB corps will step up its play and compensate for the line with pressure, sacks and turnovers. I am confident our LB corps will get a boost from the speed of Timmons and Davis, and the revival of Farrior. The Steelers Dline and LB corps will benefit most from the return to reliable and confident play of the safety position. Polumalu will be back to 100% (last year he had 0 sacks and 0 INTs – very uncharacteristic). The big question mark is Clark and Anthony Smith. If Clark is 100% or Anthony Smith becomes less aggressive, better decision maker and better tackler – the Steelers will clamp down on big plays and will remain the #1 defense even with the schedule they’re facing. Tomlin and LeBeau haven’t used Timmons and Woodley’s-specified defensive looks from last off-season, I looking forward to see what they’ve cooked up.
The uninspired defensive play in road games is another concern; hopefully with the teamed up ranting of Davis and Anthony Smith will be helpful.
Sack production will go something like this I think:
OLB – 22; ILB – 10; CB – 4; S – 3; DL – 5
Total: 44
The defense needs more turnovers – more specifically INTs. Man I can’t wait till next season! This week is over and I’m headed out to happy hour, hope you fellas enjoy your weekend.
Kudos to the Pens for their efforts in the Stanley Cup finals!
I think the defensive line is less of a concern than outside linebacker, actually..
Up front you have 6 experienced players to cover 3 starting spots, with any contribution from younger players such as McBean, Paxson, Clement, or Prince a bonus.
But at the OLB position, you have a 30 year old who has only one season as a starter in Harrison, a second year player who only had 14 tackles all of last season in Woodley, and a bunch of waiver wire journeymen like Arnold Harrison, Andre Frazier, Anthony Trucks, etc. Bruce Davis looks promising, but his time is at least a year away, he has to learn a new position. Patrick Bailey is in a similar situation with a less promising background than Davis. There are a ton of linebackers on the team, but no real star. Harrison’s 2007 season could just as easily be a fluke, and the guy seems to be just a step away from the jailhouse at any given moment.
RE in response to (J) Harrison's comments.
Were you not paying attention over the past several years or is this just wishful thinking on your part? Silverback has been the most impressive player in training camp for a few years now. The problem was figuring out how to get him on the field. A year before their SB run the Steelers were playing a meaningless season ending game in Buffalo, a game they won inspite of the fact that they emptied their bench and the Bills had to win in order to make the playoffs. Two players stood out that day: Willie Parker and James Harrison, both Pro Bowl players now.
A fluke. You’ve got to be kidding.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jun 6, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Harrison was inconsistent last season...
...he piled up about half his stats in a couple of games and was very ordinary for the balance of the season. It took him the best part of his career to beat out a journeyman in Clark Haggans. You have a lot more faith in Harrison than I do.
by robert ethan on Jun 6, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Harrison
Harrison was the best player on our defense and special teams last year. You could say he declined a little as the season wore on, but he was probably the most consistent player on our whole team. 98 tackles for an OLB is outstanding, and they were pretty evenly spread out among the games. His sacks and FF’s came in streaks, but that’s typical of just about every pass rusher. He made big plays in streaks and little plays constantly. You have to watch the games closely to fully appreciate him.
yeah
And a lot more attention was being paid to him in the second half of the season he was getting constantly chipped by backs as the later games wore on. While we shouldn’t anoint him the next Greg Lloyd I think we can certainly say that with some additional pressure from the opposite side he should have a lot more opportunities.
by Chicago Steeler on Jun 7, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Always the optimist
Until Booger actually signs with some else, lets not lose hope, though I concede it doesn’t look good.
However, I think the defense is not only in good shape, but if we can keep injuries to a minimum they may be much better than they were last year. And they weren’t that bad last year.
Generally, I’m in violent agreement with what most of the other posters have said. Hoke is the best of the backups, but he should be strickly viewed as a backup in the middle. That four man group where he joined the three starters was very disruptive. Remember too that our systems is not designed for the linemen to be getting sacks. You know when they’re effective when they collapse the pocket resulting in hurries, throwaways and blocked passes. I think sack totals, hurries and other disruptions will increase because of our upgrades in the linebacking corp and a healthier and maturing secondary.
I think Woodley will do well, with other players to worry about, Harrison’s quality play will continue, Davis may be this year’s Woodley. But I think the big news this year will be Timmons. He has the size and speed to be an extremely disruptive presence, plus I think he will do for Farrior what we hope Sweed will do for Hines and Mendenhall will do for FWP; add years of highly productive play.
I don’t think Tomlin will let Ike plateau and settle, look for his play to continue to improve. With McFadden in a contract year, his, as well as Deshea’s play will be very elevated (Deshea doesn’t get enough credit in my opinion). Hopefully, Troy will once again be Troy and Clark will come all the way back. If that happens, odd as it may sound we may have one of the better secondaries in the league.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jun 6, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply actions
Harrison & LB's
Harrison is a stud. He made impact from the first day he picked up a Cleveland fan that roamed onto the turf at the Brown Hole or whatever their stadium is called and planted the guy in the turf like a punt at Heinz in the rain. That is called setting a tone.
It will all be about health;
The LB will be the strength of the D in 08. Harrison will get his 8-10 and Woodley will impress. Timmons is an athlete and I believe he will make every one see that he is a #1. With solid Foote and sometimes super Farrior this unit will NEED to apply the pressure. I think they will. I think the D will get more sacks than last year by a few. A late sack against Jax and we would have had a shot at NE. (unfortunately probably Groundhogs Day)
This will make the secondary look better. 43 will hopefully be healthier and get to the QB some. 25 will hopefully be healthy and provide the leadership when 43 is off making plays. Ike, B Mac and DeShea are solid DB’s.
The starting 3 need to stay healthy also. Hoke is solid. I have little faith in Eason or TK if they have to play extended minutes. Praying for the fat FA at DL!
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
The starting outside LB going into this season...
Have a total of about 25 career starts between them. There isn’t much behind them, either. It looks like Timmons will be an inside linebacker, along with Mike Humpal. I’m not sure about Keyaron Fox, but I imagine he was signed to provide depth outside. Beyond that, a couple of former UDFAs in Arnold Harrison and Andre Frazier who haven’t been able to stick anywhere for the past 4 seasons, and a couple of college defensive ends in Bruce Davis and Patrick Bailey. I don’t see this as being a position of great depth.
It's the same level of depth
or better that we have enjoyed at that position for several years. Let’s look at the SB year for example. Starters Haggans and Porter. It has become fashionable to dismiss Haggans as useless, but he was playing very well back then. Backups were the Harrisons (James and Arnold), and Frazier. In other words the same group of thugs and ne’er do wells (your characterization) that we have now. So, we had what? One OLB (Porter) who was worth a damn and a bunch of pretenders. Wow that LeBeau can really coach. Given the fact that we are younger, bigger, stronger and faster with the addition of Woodley and Timmons (who I thought was originally an OLB and could probably play there in a pinch with Foote returning to his inside position). I’d have to say we’re in alot better shape, and I’m not even counting any contribution from Davis, who I believe will be able to achieve at least as much as Woodley did last year. Woodley was, afterall, also a converted college defensive end.
Obviously, I disagree with your conclusions.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Jun 7, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
I like Woodley..
I was one of a few that thought he would develop faster than Timmons. But still, he never started a single game last season, had only 14 tackles, and people are putting him in the Pro Bowl for the upcoming season? C’mon. Woodley last season brought what you would expect from a rush end converted to outside linebacker, situational pass rush skills and not much else. I’m sure he will continue to adapt to his role, and he did play a fair amount of linebacker in college, but there is a lot more to the position than simply putting your head down and going after the quarterback.
As for Harrison, he was an undrafted free agent who took 5 or 6 years to break into the starting lineup. He was always a good athlete, but lacking in other aspects required to excel. Those negatives don’t just disappear in the course of a single season. Assuming Davis brings more or less what Woodley did last season, that still isn’t a lot. Frazier and Harrison don’t have what it takes to start in the NFL, and they are running out of chances, I would think. Patrick Bailey could push one of them off the roster if he shows anything in camp. Timmons might not be available to play outside if he wins an interior spot, which is not out of the question,
Front 7= nasty
Yeah our backups on the DL arent anything special. Hampton has a few more good years in him being that bolder in the middle. Smith of course the most underrated player in the league in my opinion will once again be solid. Keisel is ok. If any of those guys go down its a hit. Hoke played pretty well a couple years ago in place of Hampton though.
I love whats going on as far as linebacker. Harrison was all over the field last year, and i dont see why he wont do it again. Its hard to be a fluke at LB…when everything you do comes from instincts and athleticism. Its not like a WR getting lucky with a few TD catches. Haggans wasnt bad but he didnt give us much of a passrush. Im one of the many who think Woodley will spend alot of time in opponents backfields. Timmons is going to bring youth, speed, and athleticism in the middle. You know what your going to get from Foote and Farrior. Both have been more than solid over the years. So if Bruce Davis can contribute im sure the sack total will go way up. Not to mention a healthy Polamalu could possibly get you 4 or 5 sacks.
The key is staying healthy and the new guys running the scheme properly. If that happens, not only will sacks go up but so will turnovers.
To be honest i see more questions in our secondary then up front.
by SteelerDomination on Jun 11, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions

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