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Who Is Better: The Patriots Richard Seymour or the Steelers Aaron Smith

If a casual NFL fan read that question, he would probably say, 'Seymour. By a mile. And by the way, who is Aaron Smith?'

Though debatable, I'd say that Seymour is considered the league's top 3-4 defensive end. If not the best, certainly he's on the short list. Aaron Smith would have to be on that short list as well, yet we hear far more from the national media about Seymour than we do about Smith. Seymour, who came into the league in 2001 out of the University of Georgia, has been to 5 Pro Bowls, including five straight from 2002-2006. His streak was snapped in 2007 due to the fact that he appeared in just 9 games. Smith on the other hand, has been to just one Pro Bowl, in 2004, since coming into the league out of Northern Colorado in 1999.

Let's take a look at the two players respective statistics to see if there is as large a disparity in their production as their fame and Pro Bowl apperances might suggest:

Richard Seymour:

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Aaron Smith:

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Hmm. Survey says? Not much of a difference.  If Seymour has any leg up on Smith, perhaps it's that he's been a tiny bit more consistent accumulating sacks than Smith. While Smith has had three seasons with fewer than three sacks recorded, Seymour has had only one, and that was in 2007 when he missed significant time due to injury.

That said, Smith's best season (2004) rivals Seymour's best season (2003).  Furthermore, Seymour's best tackle season (36), only matches Smith's 3rd best season. Bottom line is Aaron Smith flat out gets it done clogging the 'B' and 'C' gaps in the 3-4 defensive scheme. Does Casey Hampton deserve some of the credit for incentivizing opposing offenses from running away from the 'A' gap? Sure. But Vincent Wilfork, who plays the role of Hampton at nose tackle in New England's defense since 2004, is no slouch.

One final thing. Look at that durability from Smith. 112 straight games from 2002 to 2006, and that streak likely would have continued through 2007 if not for the somewhat freak injury to his bicep against New England this past year. I, like the rest of Steelers Nation, is concerned about our defense if Aaron Smith is not healthy and contributing, but really, there's not all that much reason to believe that he won't be back to form in 2008.

For whatever reason, the Steelers' Aaron Smith toils in relative anonymity despite being one of the league's premiere defensive ends for the 3-4. This was written not to knock on Seymour; he's a great player and probably worth the roughly $7.5 million per year that the Patriots pay him. But for the price (~$3.5 million/year), Smith is probably the best value in the league at his position - certainly for any player not playing on his rookie contract. 

Most would scoff at the suggestion that Aaron Smith is not that far off from being on the fringe of a Hall of Fame career. But for those who do, I invite you to take a look at the career statistics of Dan Hampton, Fred Dean, and other DEs in the Hall. Smith's sack totals will never have him garner serious consideration I'd guess, but for the system he plays in, he's about as good as they come.  And for those who are still laughing, remember that I said that Smith should be considered close to on the fringe, meaning he's not yet even close to being worthy of a serious look from the HOF voters.  Regardless, 1 Pro Bowl for a player of his caliber is laughable. He'll never receive the heaps of praise he deserves from the larger football loving audience. But from me, he will. Now, for the remainder of his career in Pittsburgh, and long after he's hung up his cleats for the last time.

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Based on these numbers

It’s really hard to believe that Seymour gets so much more credit than Smith. As much as I despise Belicheat, I heard that he always votes for Aaron Smith to go to the Pro Bowl. So, he does get some respect around the league. I guess it’s just a matter of being a high round pick and meeting expectations, or being a low round pick and playing in a less glamorous position. If he were a QB and had that level of success, he’d be talked about as one of the top 5-10 in the league.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jun 9, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice

Great posting blitz. Aa. Smith is a work horse and seems to get little to no credit for it. Stats like these prove he might well be the best 3-4 end in the business today. Can we think of any better?

by Chicago Steeler on Jun 9, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Smith

gets doubled just as often, if not more than Casey Hampton. he is phenomenal.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Jun 9, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

great comparison

I think Smith gets respect from his peers and coaches around the NFL, but the casual fan looks at sacks and tackles. Smith won’t ever open any eyes by looking at his stats, but he’s deserves to be mentioned among the top DE’s in the league. It’s just impossible to compare Aaron Smith to Dwight Freeney, even though they play the same position which is probably why Smith rarely gets any Pro Bowl mentions.

I was surprised that Smith had basically the same number of sacks as Seymour over the same amount of time (2001to present) 32.5 to 31. It just goes to show how national media can influence our perception.

On a side note: I’ve always kind of wondered if the Steelers defense would be that much better if they looked for DE’s with a bit more athletic ability who focused a bit more on rushing the passer. I know the philosophy has always been for the front three to occupy as many linemen as possible in order to free up the LBs, but I wonder if they couldn’t find guys slightly more athletic to help the OLB’s get after the QB. It seems like the Pats and Ravens DE’s always get to the QB more. I could be wrong (I didn’t look up any stats so this is all off the top of my head), but does anyone else see that?

by cgolden on Jun 9, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

smith

to me, that was what seemed so special about Aaron Smith when he started coming on in 2001, he can get to the qb. Since Smith has been so durable, this did not seem like a need until now, and it does not look like another d-lineman will generate much of a rush on the qb this season, aside from smith. Just hope he stays healthy, and we add some beef next season.

by tkired on Jun 9, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No love for Aaron Smith

He really doesnt get any credit for what he does. Hes a grinder, not someone whos going to get an insane amount of sacks. Hes there for one reason…to clear out lanes for our linebackers to get the credit. We all saw what happened last year when he went down. Our run defense took a huge hit. Hes getting up there though, so DE has to be addressed sooner than later.

by blitzburg on Jun 9, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Smith is probably the team leader now..

That Alan Faneca has left. Hines Ward gets a lot of press because he is outspoken and colorful, but I think in the locker room Smith probably commands the most respect among the players.

by robert ethan on Jun 9, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It is unfair.

Smith is just a fantastic DE, but being a 3-4 DE he is often over looked for the Pro Bowl when his numbers are put up against the high sack totals of the 4-3 DE’s. Though I personally think Smith is better than Seymour, I think the league gives Seymour the nod because of NE’s super bowl wins. I will have to go back and re-watch our super bowl win over the Seahawks, but I don’t think they mentioned his name once, but he was a huge factor in that win.

by SteelBuckeye on Jun 9, 2008 6:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good point

Let me know if he gets any credit during that telecast when you get around to re-watching that.

by Blitzburgh on Jun 9, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 times

My Super Bowl dvd isn’t the TV commentators for the Live telecast, but they called Smith names 3 time.
1) 1st quarter: named with the rest of the D line stating they already need rest.
2)3rd quarter: They state Smith make the tackle. Not mentioning how great a tackle it was coming from the LDE side to tackle Alexander after an 8 yard off RT run.
3)4th quarter: Arron Smith is one of the best DE in the game. That came after a great run stop.

I saw only 2 positive yard running plays to Smith side. All of Alexanders yards was up the middle or to the LT OT.

2 things that surprised me. Basically just watching for Smith was how many plays he was at the end of. Not D-line running plays, but Sweeps, screens, short outs, and short slats. He really was all over the place. The other was Haggens name was called like 17 times. I didn’t remember him having such a good game.

by SteelBuckeye on Jun 10, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I realize anecdotal moments are moot to the big picture

But I will never forget Aaron Smith mauling through would-be blockers and chopping down Edgerin James on a crucial third-and-goal during the Indy Colts comeback attempt in that classic January 06 playoff game. The Colts then settled for a field goal which made the halftime score 14-3 instead of 14-7. That was HUGE.

by maryrose on Jun 10, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

but they are also the plays that stand out people’s mind, like Swann’s catches in SB IX.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Jun 10, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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