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Steelers Training Camp Primer, Vol. 2: Cornerbacks

Blitz is extremely busy right now as he prepares for his move to the great northwest so he asked me to fill-in for a bit and cover some possible training camp battles.  We'll have to tread water until our leader returns.

The Steelers are in an extremely fortunate position heading into this season since they only lost two starters from 2007. One of them will be missed (Faneca) and only time will tell if his replacement will be able to adequately fill his shoes. The other (Haggans) seems more like addition by subtraction, and I think we all agree that his replacement will be a better player very soon if not immediately. While it's conceivable that all other starters will remain the same, there should be some hotly contested battles in training camp at linebacker, cornerback and various spots along the offensive line. I figured we'd get started with the potential battle between long-time veteran Deshea Townsend and Bryant McFadden. Townsend_medium

The Incumbent Starter: If you looked up 'savy veteran' in the dictionary, there would be Deshea Townsend's smiling face. Not blessed with blazing speed, superior athleticism or great size he instead gets by on heart, will and shear determination. He's entering his 11th year, the past four as a starter, and has posted seven seasons with multiple interceptions and four seasons with double digit pass defenses. He's also an accomplished pass rusher and has posted multiple sacks in five seasons. The Steelers have drafted McFadden and the recently departed Ricardo Colclough, both 2nd rounders, in an attempt to replace Townsend but so far he's held off both youngsters. He's not a flashy or dynamic player that strikes fear in opposing offenses, but year in and year out he's gets the job done. The story line for the past couple of years has been something like 'he's got the slow down sometime' but instead he posted a career highs in passes defended and close to a career high in tackles. Not only is he productive on the field, he's also a team leader and tied with Hines Ward as the longest tenured Steeler. 

Mcfadden_medium The Challenger: If Bryant McFadden was a baseball player he'd be described as "toolsy." He's got the speed (4.41), athleticism (39 1/2 inch vertical and 11 feet 3 inch broad jump) and size (6'0 190) to be a fantastic player, but he's yet to put it all together and make his mark in the NFL. One of the knocks on him coming out of Florida State was that he didn't always play up to his measureables and that he had a problem with nagging injuries. He got off to a quick start though in Pittsburgh playing in the final thirteen games of his rookie season and saved his best for the playoffs when his pass breakups against Reggie Wayne and the Colts saved the game. He would continue to progress in 2006 by playing in all 16 games and won a starting job towards the end of the season. He'd finish that season with career highs in every category including tackles, pass breakups and interceptions. McFadden couldn't parlay that success into a starting job in 2007 though, as new coach Mike Tomlin chose consistency over potential and went with Ike Taylor and Townsend as starters. A high ankle sprain and then subsequent sprain of the opposite ankle cost McFadden five games in the middle of the season. He's not leaving anything to chance this off season though as he, along with teammates Taylor, James Farrior and Santonio Holmes, spent time training in Florida with former track coach Tom Shaw in an effort to be even quicker and more explosive in 2008.

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Bottom Line:  Last year Tomlin went with veteran experience over younger potential but in 2008 he'll go with whichever player performs the best leading up to the season. Townsend has fought off younger more gifted players for the past four or five seasons, but this could be the year that youth finally overtakes the veteran. McFadden, in my opinion, took his potential starting spot for granted in 2007 and it cost him an entire season. Now he's got one last chance to prove he's a legitimate starter in the league before he hits free agency. He's made no secret of his desire to not only win a starting spot but also land a lucrative free agent deal, either from the Steelers or another team. Having a highly motivated McFadden and solid Ike Taylor could give the Steelers the best starting corners to occupy Steel Town in quite some time. Townsend will still excel in the slot as a nickel back and could even see time at safety if Ryan Clark isn't healthy. Ultimately we won't know exactly how this battle will play out until September the 7th when the Texans come to town, but for now it should be an exciting competition. Thoughts/Predictions/Concerns???

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you can make an argument

that Townsend was one of the best CBs in the league last year, based on his metrics. even later in the season when the pass-rush fell off he maintained great YPA numbers. he is just so fundamentally sound and great at route recognition that he is always right there. Ike Taylor was PHENOMENAL in the first 8-9 games, and when the pass rush fell off (drastically), he fell off, from being a great CB, to just average (not a bad thing, even Champ Bailey had a bad year last year with a mediocre pass rush). Whereas Townsend seemed to maintain the high level without the great pass rush—truly amazing. McFadden needs to beat Townsend because he is simply better, and that is going to be very hard to do.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Jul 17, 2008 2:56 PM EDT   0 recs

I personally Believe

Our Secondary is unbelievably good.

The numbers by themselves prove that, atleast last year. We were number one in pretty much every passing defense category. And this was with an average to occasionally bad pass rushing unit.

Of course our guys dont get recognition because they never end up with ten INTs etc. But I’d rather have a guy like Taylor(And Townsend) who doesnt get many picks, but allows very few passes to be completed over a guy like Deltha O’Neal who a few years ago was very good in picking the ball off(10 times I believe) but gave up alot of big plays all day.

by jason97673 on Jul 17, 2008 7:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

true, but in Ike's defense

Ike was recieving the majority of the attention. qb’s may have been targeting him more because d-town was simply performing better or because he was less experienced. either way, i think having mcfadden in the starting line-up creates a balance, because we have then created a young, ultra-fast, ultra-talented secondary in which either side may seem vulnerable-although, both corners are more than qualified at their respective positions.

But realistically, without a strong, threatening pass rush, all corners seem mediocre or bad- so its up to the d-line because the d-backs have the talent)

by Avoid95 on Jul 17, 2008 9:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Ike was getting a lot of attention because he can't catch

so there’s no real downside to throwing his way. Overall, I’m happy with him, but I wish he could catch and had a little more confidence attacking the ball. That was my biggest beef with him in 2006 and he showed it some last year too: he’d run with the receiver step for step, then make the tackle instead of going for the ball. I think some QB’s figured that out, so they’re throwing against him more even when he has good coverage (which is pretty much always).

by BadMaafala on Jul 18, 2008 10:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

interesting take

I hadn’t thought of it like that, but it does make sense if his hands are as bad as we all feel that they are.

by cgolden on Jul 18, 2008 10:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Motivation

I’m expecting a huge year from McFadden if he can dodge that injury bug. This is the mythical ‘contract year’ for Brian – and I for one thinks he will show up in a big way. There is nothing like a huge payday to make a guy come out and just get after it. I really think he could have made a great impact last year if it wasn’t for the injuries. I like the guy and I’m a fan – I just think that he will perform – give us a great year – and then sign for a huge deal with some dogshit team.

by smashmouthsteel on Jul 17, 2008 3:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Intriguing

The battles on the O-line may attract more interest and ink, but this is IMO the most intriguing position battle on the team. Remember that Tomlin’s greatest area of experience as a pro coach is working with defensive secondaries, so you can count on him being focused in on this struggle and priming the pump on the competition. I believe that the secondary can take a step to a much higher level this year depending upon two things. One, that we are fortunate with injuries. Two, that players respond in these challenges and find a level of sustained greatness. I’m hoping McFadden will successfully respond b/c I think his upside is better than DeShea’s. But we’ll need both of them to be successful this year.

by RickVa on Jul 17, 2008 8:16 PM EDT   0 recs

$$$

I always thought McFadden would become a star for the Steelers. This is definitely his motivational year as free agency looms for him next year. I look for him to win the battle with Deshea. He will take no prisoners during the season…looking absolutely brilliant in the secondary. He will then become a multi-millionaire by signing with the Jets. Oh well!

by steelersrock08 on Jul 17, 2008 9:04 PM EDT   0 recs

perhaps not

I hear the sentiments of all y’all who think he’s out of here after this year if he has a big year. But, with the cap rising, and perhaps being uncapped in future years, it’s no unthinkable for BMac to discover that there’s plenty of money for him to feel deservingly compensated and stay with the team that believed in him initially.

The most important thing is that there’s a legitimate competition where he can prove his meddle this year. If the organization is trying to effect his future market value with personnel game playing, things could get messy. But if they do stick to their word, things could work out nicely.

by Blitzburgh on Jul 18, 2008 1:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re-signing

If McFadden does have a breakout year – and it looks like that just might happen – it seems like the Steelers would have to re-sign him. As everyone’s pointed out, Townsend is still great, but he can’t really have many more seasons in him. At least not with the level of play we’ve come to expect.

We can look for a short term replacement in free agency (or at least a guy to split time with Townsy), but it’s unlikely we’d find anybody with BMac’s skill set that would be much cheaper than him. We can draft a cb high next year, but I think everyone’s really hoping we’ll use those picks to bolster the d and o lines. Not to mention that even if we could get a steal at cb either in free agency or the draft, we’d bring in somebody who doesn’t know the system the way he would. And a drop off in cb play is certainly not what we need in order to win in a pass happy league.

by BluegrassSteeler on Jul 18, 2008 2:11 AM EDT   0 recs

nice

Good stuff Bluegrass. Pretty much sums up how I’m thinking about the whole sitatuation. If BMac performs, we should do what it takes to keep him around. Also, for as solid as Deshea is, like you said, we can’t really expect him to be playing elite starter caliber CB at 35+ years of age can we?

One caveat might be William Gay. If he shows enough, perhaps the team could feel good with him, Taylor, Deshea and one other young guy that stuck around this camp and year or one that was drafted next year.

Btw, good post cgolden.

And btw, Bluegrass, where you at in KY? Half of my family’s from that area – Lexington and Frankfort. Miss going there like I did when I was a bit younger.

by Blitzburgh on Jul 18, 2008 2:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Gay

He’s certainly the wild-card in the mix. I think we all fell in love with him during the preseason last year and I can’t wait to see how he grows from year 1 to 2.

by cgolden on Jul 18, 2008 9:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey Blitz, I’m from Eastern KY (about an hour or so from West Virginia), but I went to college and work in Lexington – which despite having lots of bengals/colts fans has a healthy contingent of the Steelers nation.

And yeah, I had kinda forgotten about Gay. It would be great if he could step up and really show starter abilities over the next year. However, it would also be nice to have him ready to rotate in to keep the secondary fresh if we could keep bmac.

by BluegrassSteeler on Jul 19, 2008 12:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Anyone think?

Does anyone think that the Steelers would franchise McFadden if he plays well this year but can’t work out a deal early enough?

by cgolden on Jul 18, 2008 9:18 AM EDT   0 recs

maybe transition

As we all know, the Steelers are very reluctant to use the franchise tag, but they showed that they were willing to use the transition tag on Starks this year, so maybe they would do that for McFadden next year. It might be a decision they would make if they feel that Gay is coming along but not quite ready to be the starter next season. They could keep McFadden for one more year and then go with Gay, who would be much less expensive.

by nycsteeler on Jul 18, 2008 9:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's definitely an option

But he has to show he’s worth it. No more of this spending money on sub-par players then not signing them to extentions. If he has a good season, I think we’ll do what it takes to get him signed. It might be a steep price with the uncertainty about the cap, but this is a priority for us moving forward. I don’t think it will be a good thing if we’re depending on Gay to start in the future.

by BadMaafala on Jul 18, 2008 10:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

nope

franchised corners are a bit pricey. Unless there’s new owners with deep pockets…. i don’t really want to think about that scenario.

bummed myself out. d’oh.

by tkired on Jul 18, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

one stat that doesn't impress me...

When I read that a CB has a lot of tackles, I wonder if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. If he recorded a sack, that’s awesome. If he tackled a running back who eluded the front 7, that’s good for him (but bad for the front 7).

But if a CB is recording all those tackles because the receivers he’s defending are making a lot of catches, then it’s not such a good thing. It can also mean that QB’s are throwing more at him and not at a more intimidating CB.

The best imaginary stats for a CB? If he’s a full-time starter, 0 tackles, 0 interceptions, and 0 passes deflected because the QB’s were too scared to throw in his direction. He would be the first Pro Bowl starter with a statistical rating of 0.

by TURFgeek on Jul 18, 2008 3:18 PM EDT   0 recs

what about

What about this line? – 1 tackle, 0 Ints, 0 passed defended…..........That was Colclough’s line in Pittsburgh last year :-)

Seriously though, better stats or some kind of grading scale is needed for cornerbacks. Looking at some corners who were drafted, they cited stats such as completion percentage, yards per pass attempt etc for the corners in college. I wonder why they can’t come up with those numbers for NFL corners. I’d love to see some type of grading scale for offensive linemen too.

by cgolden on Jul 18, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Standard grading scale

would be an easy reference, (some analysts do do linemen and cornerback grading of course) but seeing as how the NFL has developed the QB rating system, I’d be skeptical.

by tkired on Jul 18, 2008 5:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

CB metrics

It’s harder with CB’s, because their responsibility changes with different coverages. If they played man 100% of the time, you could just look at that receiver’s stats. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of time looking at film, figuring out what a DB’s responsibility was on a given play and how they performed. I think the best stats are still PD’s since INT’s are based a lot on luck, although Ike-type int numbers may show bad hands. It would be nice (and simple) if they separated tackles made on running plays and those made on passing plays. That way they could get credit for good run support without us wondering if they were tackling receivers downfield all the time. I think FO has some nicer metrics for CB efficiency, and Joyner has some others as well.

by BadMaafala on Jul 21, 2008 9:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

especially hard

with the way our corners play. we play so many zones and “hand-off” assignments, as well as man to man and all kinds of coverages. Joyner’s system for sure is solid but I’ve noticed he has problems with our system, for example, he charged the Moss bomb to Ike Taylor against NE, even though everyone (including Ike, and A. Smith) said after the game Taylor had run-first, and outside route responsibility, while A. Smith had inside route first responsibility, hence, should be charged to A. Smith in that case, but it wasn’t. Same thing happened against Jax later in the year as well.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Jul 21, 2008 9:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

about the actual post

I would like to say i agree with those who think this is McFadden’s year to usurp townsend’s spot. But, I have gravely underestimated Deshea time and time again. So i refuse to predict another as starter before i see Townsend in a body cast, another uniform, or whatever NFLers do after fading away.

At the same time, he’s old and don’t run that fast or jump that high dammit!( a part of me is just a modern era fan wanting to see flash, while appreciating efficiency at the same time.)

by tkired on Jul 18, 2008 5:56 PM EDT   0 recs

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