Roethlisberger Sack Video

by jason97673 on Jul 30, 2008 12:06 PM EDT Comment 14 comments

Over at Steelerfury.com, one of there writers created a video of all of Roethlisbergers sacks

Take a look:

http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/hnbctb/?action=view&current=sacks3.flv

Watching this is simply amazing. By watching this video, you can see just how bad our line is and Ben in fact should take NO blame for holding the ball too long. If the only criticism of him is holding the ball too long, then he is very good.

Just thought it would be nice to see all of his sacks in one video.

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Some quick observations are:

-After watching this video, there was maybe 2 or 3 of his sacks where he had an actual pocket to step up into.

-Atleast Half of his sacks, MANY pass rushers came in either untouched or there were 3 or 2 or 3 guys in the backfield BEHIND the entire OLine.

-Check out the 1:15 mark. Against the Dolphins there are 4 guys that were within 2 yards of Roethlisberger about 2 seconds after the snap.

by jason97673 on Jul 30, 2008 12:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nice

good find Jason, pretty cool vid.

Revenge of the Birds

by cgolden on Jul 30, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Big Ben

Breaking down that tape and placing blame:

I went through that video and my goal was to place blame on either Ben or the OL for each sack. My simple criteria was that if I counted to three before the first guy touched Ben, it was the Ben’s fault for not getting rid of the ball. If Ben touched before that three seconds then I placed blame on the OL. I tried to give some leeway in both directions (ie if Ben was hit from behind at four seconds etc), but this was quick count so feel free to watch it and count for yourself.

Blame the OL: 37 times – plenty of times that he had no shot
Blame Ben: 17 times – several, several times that he had 5+ seconds in the pocket and simply wouldn’t throw it away

Before you say wait, wait, Ben was only sacked 47 times. It looked like they had the playoff game in there (add 6 more sacks) and there was at least one that they showed where it looked like Ben ran out of bounds behind the line or right at the line. So that might not have officially counted as a sack or I could have simply miscounted.

Revenge of the Birds

by cgolden on Jul 30, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That jives with my assessment

I didn’t do this for every game, but generally it seemed to me that 30% of the sacks could be attributed to Ben, roughly 60% to the line, and there were a couple where I couldn’t figure out who was truly responsible.

by Desroko on Jul 30, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hmmm.

thanks for the post. Wish I could play with that video to see it more closely. I think there’s obviously many sacks that were just our line getting beat. But there were a lot that were missed responsibilities. A lot of outside blitzers came in on the side of the ball that the back wasn’t on and no one got over to them. And if Ben’s calling his own protections he’s got some blame… Hopefully Big Z has been working with everyone to clean up these assignment sacks. I was surprised to see how often it was Colon screwing up. Some of the games played by Mahan made me feel like it was always interior pressure, but damn… It was everywhere.

by Chicago Steeler on Jul 30, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Second look though I just followed Mahan, and in a lot of them, even if he’s not the initial turnstile letting the rush through, then he’s there at the end of the sack watching his man laying on top of Ben. Did anyone else see evidence of what we heard – that others were pulling out of position to help out Mahan and letting guys through? I remember seeing that in the press some last year.

That’s a pretty tough video to watch. I think I lost my appetite. Go Hartwig!

by SCSteeler on Jul 30, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow

Thank you for posting that. If we needed a reminder – this was it. I think the most striking thing is how rarely there is a pocket for Ben to step into. The outside guys are getting beat, but that happens, the problem is that the inside guys are either pushed all the way back into Ben or are just letting their guy slide through almost untouched.

I think that the real hit on Ben is actually less than we realize. What we also are not accounting for is just how mobile and elusive he really is. I think if we had included all of the times that he was able to make one or two guys miss or get off a pass against all expectations we would have a real context for just how awful this O-Line really was at pass protecting last year.

by SteelerBuddha on Jul 30, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

no problem

Nothing to worry about guys, "We’re pretty well set".

by steelguy99 on Jul 30, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah right

I hope so, but that’s one line that requires the proof.

by SCSteeler on Jul 30, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah,

Maybe someone should “accidentally” forward that video to Z.

by BadMaafala on Jul 30, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not his type of media ;)

by SCSteeler on Jul 30, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Seriously, he clearly spends a lot of time watching video, I just wish it were the football type.

by steelguy99 on Jul 30, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I couldn’t watch it at… where I am during the day, so I just finished watching it at home. I echo comments above that there was never a pocket to step up into, which made it a lot easier for edge rushers to get to the QB. I think that on a lot of Marvel and Colon’s sacks, they forced their guy way outside, but since Ben was 15 yards deep, they got him easily. Another thing I noticed was that on “Ben’s” sacks, he’s always looking downfield. Is this because he doesn’t have a check down, or because he’s not looking for one? I think Arians should take some of the fault for running so many deep routes and not designing plays to help the receivers get open. Hopefully the emphasis on checkdowns (and the many options) will help this year.

by BadMaafala on Jul 31, 2008 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Correct

It does seem like he rarely is looking for a check down. That is really the only part of his game I think he needs to improve – knowing where his checkdowns are and getting them the ball quickly.

by jason97673 on Jul 31, 2008 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs