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Initial Observations from Steelers First Week of Training Camp

RickVa keeps the bar at a high level with his observations and ruminations about the state of the Steelers heading into the second week of training camp. With all the traveling and unpacking I've been saddled with, it's sure nice to see so many of you guys bring the goods in my absence. This particular offering is filled to the brim with relevant insights and discussion points.

-Blitz

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Yeah, I know its just the first week of training camp. But I think we've gleaned enough information that we can advance some ongoing discussions and raise some new questions concerning the upcoming season.

Injuries. We weren't the only camp that got hit. In fact, we got off easier than a lot of teams. The Redskins lost TWO defensive ends for the year on the first day of practice (Achilles and ACL) necessitating the Jason Taylor trade. This brings up an interesting question: have professional football players been pushed to their physical limits? With year round workout schedules, and players carrying an inordinate amount of weight I am most reminded of  thoroughbred race horses; magnificent athletes, but very fragile and subject to catastrophic breakdowns at almost any time. I'm not convinced of this position, but I think its worth some exploration. What do you think?

The Tomlin Transition. One of the things I had problems wrapping my mind around last year was that the team was transiting from Bill Cowher's team to Mike Tomlin's team. Recent press reports seem to indicate that I wasn't the only one. One of the challenges was that when you make that sort of a change one year removed from a World Championship -  unless the team is very old - is that you don't make a lot of wholesale changes. So the team we saw on the field looked all the world like the same team that was out there in '06 or '05. Where the transitional difficulties showed up the most were on offense and special teams. And where the issue really manifested was on the O-Line. The combination of a new coach (most of the offensive staff were either new or in new positions), a new system, a veteran group who  were quite successful under an old system led by a strong team leader, Faneca, a Cowher guy. Let's not forget that all this is also occurring within the context of a new overall offensive system. The result: the O-Line looked and occasionally performed terribly. Easy conclusion: they ARE terrible. What was left unexplained is how a group that was missing one member from a world champion unit, that was on the brink of having the leading rusher in the league, an excellent passing attack and a pro bowl quarterback suddenly become terrible. The transition to a new system often does not occur overnight. Old habits have to unlearned and new ones acquired. The defense didn't have this problem for three reasons; the system didn't change, the staff, with one exception, didn't change, and the strong team leader, the Cowher guy (Joey Porter) had left. What problems the defense had could explained by late season fatigue (coaching inexperience) and key injuries to Aaron, Troy and Ryan. It is a testament to our high standards (or how spoiled we are, take your pick) that a division championship by a first year coach ( a championship, btw, that no one was predicting for us. Even after a fast start many one this site were urging caution because we believed that we would have serious problems within the division.) is viewed something of a disappointment by many. Things should go smoother this year.

O-Line. Having just defended the performance of the O-line, I'm going to pivot and express some disappointment with current practices. With Hartwig and Starks on the second unit I would say it is premature to consider the competition over. I'd say not before the third pre-season game. Granted I'm prejudiced. I think Starks is better than Colon, and I think a ham sandwich could beat out Mahan (just kidding Sean). Jury's still out on Coach Z.

RBs. Remember when everyone was so concerned about our situation at rb, and for good reason. After FWP our best hope was a FA rookie. Russell has not yet been part of the conversation. FWP is back, apparently at full strength, Mendenhall is showing promise of greatness, Moore is running first unit as third down back as advertised. Could this group be as good or better than what we had hoped for in '05; Bettis, Haynes, FWP and Staley? Could it potentially be our best group ever?

WRs. Two important questions were answered this week. First, Sweed's development curve will not be as long as some have feared. He may not reach his full potential this first season, but he looks to be a solid, maybe even an occasionally  spectacular contributor from the get go. Second, Nate Washington is coming on strong. Consequently, as Maryrose has pointed out, we may have the best quartet of wide outs in over thirty years, and combined with our tight ends may be one of the top receiving corps in the league.

QB. Rose also pointed out something that seems to be spoken of in whispers; Ben is getting better. Let me suggest what many will say is either hearsy or hyperbole; soon, maybe by the end of this season he may be the best quarterback...period. And he has the tools (assuming I'm not completely wrong about the OLine) equal to or better than any of his likely rivals, even Brady.

DL. Big Snacks' conditioning issues are a disappointment and hopefully aren't indicative of more serious problems in his personal like that he might have difficulty overcoming. My intuition is that this will not be an issue in September. The one report I've seen on McBean has been very positive. Just two issues here, one obvious, the other not so much. Yes we are still thin even with an effective McBean. We'll just have to hope we are fortunate with injuries with this group. Where is Keisel? We were expecting more from him and we need him to show up. Also, Coach Mitchell doesn't get enough credit.

LBs. Woodley and Timmons seem to be impressing everybody. Very good news. Foote doesn't seem to be making it easy for Timmons. Bravo Larry! Silverback is terrorizing the entire camp. I've heard some good things about Humpal. Has anyone got any word on Davis? Kevin Greene's working with this group. Coach Butler is another guy that doesn't get enough credit. No worries with the linebackers.

DBs. The best news is that people are starting to realize how valuable Ryan Clark is to this defense. And, of course, that Clark seems to be in good health. McFadden vs. Townsend has been temporarily postponed because McFadden has been nicked. Only one area of concern; I know that Troy's injury is 'minor', but I am concerned that he may be more prone injury now, more fragile. Time will tell.

Return Specialist. Much noise being made about Drummond and why other players aren't being tried. I agree with the idea that Holmes, Mendenhall and Moore should be more or less off limits for punt and kickoff returns. If these guys have strong regular roles on the offense, why risk their availability by having them return kicks? Randle El almost got knocked out of the SB on a punt return. It is inappropriate for your #1 receiver, co-#1 running back and third down back to risk injury. No matter how good they may be doing so. Some may remember when Lynn Swann returned punts his first season with the Steelers. He was best in the league. He also was not the starting wide receiver. Once he did start, no more punts. Bloom may be out of the running, but Drummond has to prove that he's the guy that played for Detriot, and not the one who played for KC.

All and all a promising first week

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Thank you Rick

You get my wheels turning so fast I don’t know where to begin or end. Tomlin is so aware of the injury factor that he is working very hard to supply the depth that will be invaluable sooner or later. If you think about the defensive backfield, the linebackers, wide receivers, return men, running backs, tight ends and even the QB spot with Batch, this depth will create a higher level of competition and thus a higher level of play in all of those areas. Not to mention the insurance policy against injury.

Yes, both lines have not yet blossomed to that same level, but really how much can you do in just two years? If the brain trust did not feel this was the year to beef up those areas based upon what was available and what they felt we had, then we were wise to add quality where we had the opportunity to do so. Every team has some achilles and right now the trenches is where ours lies. That may not sit easy, but if the D-Line can stay healthy and the O-Line can gel a bit better then we may hit the jackpot in the short term while waiting for more troops in the long term.

The NFL changes so quickly due to its inherent parity. Tom Brady was rarely among the top five quarterbacks in fantasy football selections until last season. Now after one season we coronate him and the Patriots as almost unbeatable. That may change in a hurry. As you point out, Ben could well be the next great statistical quarterback. We don’t know that, but in the NFL it wouldn’t be surprising. A guy like Ben or Tony Romo could be the number one fantasy quarterback taken in 2009 for all we know. Two years ago Shaun Alexander scored 29 touchdowns or something. He fell off the table and now he may not even play. The change factor in the NFL is huge.

Arians, Zierlein and Ligashesky are on the hot seat this year as much as anybody. How will they unfold? How will Tomlin react? He had it easy this year in granting them all immunity after just one season together. Will our young coach take guts to the next level and come down hard on coaches as he did on Casey Hampton? I believe in our young coach. I think he’s done a brilliant job thus far. The bad news is that there are many more questions than answers. The good news is that every other team in the NFL feels the same way.

by maryrose on Aug 2, 2008 12:45 AM EDT   0 recs

agreed

with just about everything maryrose, I am most interested in how Tomlin handles his staff after the “honeymoon” first season.

Rick, this was a good post, I enjoyed it, and can not wait for the regular season.

by tkired on Aug 2, 2008 9:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Excellent post RickVa

I’m very excited for the first preseason game, so that I can see firsthand what we will look like this season. I too expect our O-Line will look rejuvenated which will lead to big things from the offense. I worry about D-Line depth as we all do but hopefully McBean and Clement can come on strong.

by iBleedBlack&Gold on Aug 2, 2008 2:15 AM EDT   0 recs

O-line ponderings

Thinking about the change from the championship team line to last year’s efforts. Without heaping more criticism on Mahan, he did have some big shoes to fill there. Losing Hartings was always going to be a hard thing (we have been lucky over the years to have excellence and continuity at center.)

That change, plus the mentioned tensions between old regime ideas and players and the new coach and scheme could be all the explanation we need.

Pure peculation – My fear is that Z (as shown in his “we’re about set” comment) isn’t going to shake up his preconceived notions of who’s on the line. He might be overly loyal to his choices. Also, if Colon is going to be the tackle, please tell me they’ll put Starks in somewhere, and not just have him as the backup.

by SCSteeler on Aug 2, 2008 6:54 AM EDT   0 recs

Good Job Rick

On offense I think we are set except on the O line. We are deep at RB and WR. We have a good TE and a big backup. We have the best QB in the division and top 5 in the conference. Coach Z HAS to find 5 guys that can play together and dominate.

The defense is also solid. I think the LB group will be a team strength. The corners are also pretty good. Worried about the health of the safety position (43 & 25) and the depth on the DL if there are injuries.

Special teams could be a disaster. They have no punter. They have no KR or PR and they have 92 playing on ST because no one has stepped up. I agree it is tough to have a starter playing ST or being KR or PR but it may be a necessity. I see Moore as PR and Davenport or Moore as KR. I have little or no faith in Reid, Bloom or Drummond.

Coaching is a question mark albeit it doesn’t worry me like ST or health. Tomlin was very conservative last year and was beaten by the pro’s like Belicheat, Shannahan and Del Rio. Arians O stagnated in the second half of the year and he consistently bet wrong on 3rd and short. Ligashesky and the ST was a disgrace. Each needs to step up and get better in their decision making in 09. Other coaches are solid. I like Tomlin but he needs to step up like everyone else in their second year.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Aug 2, 2008 10:47 AM EDT   0 recs

Good work Rick

That was a very good read Rick. It got some good responses. Since I am in agreement with everbody I’ll just respond to the injury section of the breakdown. It has been my long held opinion that many ham string and groin injuries can be avoided with proper stretching and warm up. A no brainer right? Hear me out. Noll employed a gymnastic’s coach back in the Glory days. I don’t remember his first name, but his last name was Uram. I remember that because I played baseball against his son. Anyway, I do beleve that there was a drop in these kind of injuries after his hire. Any thoughts on this Maryrose? When you think of all the muscles employed be a gymnist I definitely see some value here.
Now to digress a bit on the camparison of injuries in race horses…
Having been a horse nut, breeder and trainer for probably 80% of my life I would say that the frequent breakdowns in race horses comes from a number of things. Briefly… foremost in my mind is the industry’s need to breed for early speed. The payoffs for 2 & 3 yr olds can pay huge dividends in stakes races and in breeding syndications. Money talks as always. Improper conditioning is also a large factor. There’s an old saying around the tracks…”Give the horse what he needs and he’ll give it back to you.” Another good one is, “Short the horse and he’ll short you.” While those quotes do hold true…If it was that simple I would be a rich man these days. Here we go Steelers…Here we go!

by steelersrock08 on Aug 2, 2008 2:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Paul Uram

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Aug 2, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Paul

Thanks. That would have bothered me the rest of the day.

by steelersrock08 on Aug 2, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting

Could it be that the need for players to bulk up quickly after college to get to NFL size (which keeps getting bigger) is attributing to this in the same way? Does improper development early on produce later problems? Definitely something to consider. I’d never thought of the race horse comparison before.

by SCSteeler on Aug 2, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A step further...

I learned some good lessons from my experience with horses. I did not like to push my youngsters. I liked to race them at 3 and 4. We would break and train them at a long two and turn them out to grow and develop. Each prospect, however, was treated on an individual basis. When I read that Rashard was only 20 when we drafted him that did bother me somewhat. I believe that we have put a heavy emphasis on on athletics these days which is largely driven by $$$. I have never been a proponent of pee wee leagues, etc. Young bodies need time to grow and develop naturally. When I was heavily involved in the horse business one of my favorite to do things was watch the youngsters in the field playing and rough housing.
That was my way of learning which ones were going to be the good athletes. Nature does have its ways. Man’s eagerness to rush to fame and fortune can complicate that process. Just my two cents.

by steelersrock08 on Aug 2, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

KR

Wrote Davenport but meant to type Mendenhall

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Aug 2, 2008 2:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks

for the primer on horse training. The knowledge that is brought to this site continues to amaze me.

by RickVa on Aug 2, 2008 5:23 PM EDT   0 recs

Wow

This is a great post and some fascinating conversation.

I just wanted to add some thoughts on the injury question. I had heard this a few years ago, and it seems to fit the injuries that have been more common in recent years: The issue seems to be that while players are able to build up their muscles to be stronger and stronger, their ligaments and tendons are only so strong. Sure, that can be mitigated by proper stretching, etc. But, recently, there seem to have been more and more non contact injuries than in the past, even with replacing almost every astroturf field with grass or this new fieldturf. So, it appears that there are cases where the players are so big and so strong, that their muscles themselves actually cause torn ligaments and tendons.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 2, 2008 5:59 PM EDT   0 recs

Excellent point!

I agree with that Wolfpack. Tendons and ligaments can only take so much abuse. When they are injured it may be beyond repair. In many instances it can be repaired, but never be quite the same as the it was before the injury. We can over condition ourselves, especially with weight lifting. IMO bulk of muscle does not mean you are in great condition or have great strength. Once again I point to the gymnists. Those people are nicely chisled, in proportion and possess great strength and stamina. They lift and work their own bodies. In making this brief I suppose its that “Rocky” style of training. Worked for him! LOL!

by steelersrock08 on Aug 2, 2008 7:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Are there more injuries lately?

I don’t know the answer to that. I think that a rash of recent injuries tends to make people think that injuries are coming, when it’s possible that there’s no real increase, just a a clustering that you expect to happen once in a while.

I may email one of FO’s medical specialists about this. It’s an interesting topic.

by Desroko on Aug 2, 2008 6:09 PM EDT   0 recs

Numbers

I haven’t seen any numbers on them, but it seems like there are more big names that go down every year in pre-season these days than you used to see. Anyway, my post above refers to something I had heard on TV. This was several years ago.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 2, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Another aspect of this question – is it the players offseason personal/individual training that might be causal, or a lack of full speed activity that usually hits right at the start of camp – when their bodies aren’t used to it? I wonder if there are stats out there about who got injured and when they got injured.

Tomlin had proposed that he thought that rookies had too much draft/media attention to adequately prepare themselves. However, wasn’t the pilates type of conditioning the sort of thing that Polomalu was up to this year? It’s probably too early to judge the success or failure of that regimen, but he’s injured now… I suppose in veterans the injuries are often sustained the year before and perhaps were rushed back into service. I know from personal experience that if you don’t rest a sore/pulled muscle – you run a good chance of messing others up as you’ll be trying to do things without that muscle and putting stress where its not supposed to be.

by SCSteeler on Aug 3, 2008 5:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Great to hear Ben's improving, but

before we - ahem - crown him, I’d like to see a lot less reaching by receivers over the middle. Cgolden mentioned it the other day, about Ben’s tendency to miss high (when he misses).
Even when Ward did pull many of those passes in, think of the time it takes for him to land, adjust, and run upfield/avoid a tackler. Yards are being lost because DBs are able to close in on our receivers before they can rack up YACs.
Either way, I can’t wait to see some TDs!

Looks like Brandon Albert will sit out a couple weeks with a strained foot: Another one bites the pine.

by betelgeuse on Aug 2, 2008 7:01 PM EDT   0 recs

I saw that

Who knows if the injury would have happened elsewhere.

Reading a couple of the KC message boards, some of those guys really hate herm (and would prefer to get cowher).

by vherub on Aug 4, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Great Post!

I am so stoked for PRE-SEASON!! I watch the full game in its entirty to get a good look at the young guys and see who’s a player and who’s a faker. Initial thoughts on Coach Tomlin: he will be fine. I like his approach to any given situation(Hampton, Fanaeca) he seems to be pretty good at X’s and O’s(at least better than Cowher, hated seeing him outcoached by ‘the cheater’).

O-line: If our line was at least slightly above average we would have an Uber squad!! My guess, Coach will play the best five regardless of contract or tenure. Too much talent to let the line derail any SB hopes!

WR: HINES!!! All that needs to be said. And behind him loads of potential, just think how good we will be if the contacts given to Sweed really make a difference. #86-heady, always right place right time, #10-up and coming deep/underneath guy with quickness, #85-loads of deep speed if he could concentrate more consistently, #14-upside tremendous, just needs to learn the nuiances of route running. These four are good enough that it doesn’t matter who the 5th guy is baring injury.

TE: Heath will make Pro-bowl this year and you heard it here first! Spaeth needs to learn how to use that big frame to seal the edge a little better but is in only his second year. Our third TE just needs to be an extra tackle that can catch a play action pass every now and agian.

RB: Willie is a known commodity, but I was super ecstatic that Mendenhall was there for us to pick. No lineman and I mean NO LINEMAN was worth that spot and after that the next best was a round or two away. I will miss Dan Kreider, I wish him all the best of success in St. Louis. If Carey can blow open the holes like he used to maybe I will feel better about not re-signing Dan. Moore hopefully will boost our 3rd down conv. % to at least 65%. wishful I know. I want to see Russell in the pre-season, I didn’t see were all the hype was, so I will be watching.

D-line: Here’s to hoping Aaron never ever gets hurt again and/or McBean and Clement can stick. My worry isn’t Hamp’s weight it is his conditioning. Our problems late last year were fatigue, I would think everyone in a black and gold uni would be working towards not letting that happen again. If the young guys can be even situationally effective the age of this group will not be a problem THIS year.

LB: OOhhhh boy! All these reports out of camp has me soooo excited for this group I hope I’m not in line for a let down. The versatilaty/athleticism of this group could set records this year. If our weakest link is a rookie who is a heady player (Humphal) and another who is only behind because his class graduated late (Davis) thats a good thing.

DB: In my opinion the weakest of our defensive unit. I like Ike I really do, but games like the one against Denver in ‘06 were Walker literally won that game on his own, or being out jumped for balls or those come back routes and quick screens that NE likes to run (note to Coach Lebeau; whenever the hoodie sees more of his recievers than DB’son one side of the ball the screen is coming!!) . Also his huge cap number makes me think he has to make more ‘splash’ plays. B-Mac is an enigma: he is supposidly bigger/faster/stronger than Deshea and still can’t beat him out. If he does this year it will be just in time to leave for a huge deal somewhere else. Shame. If our starting safeties stay healthy matbe it will give A. Smith some perspective on how to play that position. Barring injury, he sees the feild in sub-packages only. Not a bad thing in my opinion. Some of these bodies in training camp might have a chance to stick if any show any true ball skills.

ST: Team weakness even ahead of O-line. (anyone remember the Jets game!) I won’t get my hopes up.

I look forward to a playoff push this year unmatched by anyone in recent memory due to the schedule. I know teams rise and fall like the sun, but does anyone see DAL, NE, SD, INDY, JAX, or NYG falling that far off, I don’t. Should make for a good year playing the best of the best. Side note: everyone is thinking Browns, but when is the last time we swept BAL no matter how bad their record! They will give us a fight this year.

60 minute men

by I.W.H.F.M.D.95 on Aug 2, 2008 8:08 PM EDT   0 recs

Tomlin is an idiot...

..along with the other insecure coaches around the league who feel they have to be hardass with the players in July. Players don’t come to camp figuring to play in the Super Bowl the following Sunday. Net result is a lot of lost practice time, (or worse in the case of Sepulveda), and a team that tunes the guy out by the time meaningful games come around.

by robert ethan on Aug 2, 2008 11:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Huh?

how is sepuldeva’s injury a result of Tomlin’s coaching style? That’s an old injury that was bothering him before he even came to camp…

by acrollet on Aug 2, 2008 11:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's also Tomlin's fault

that Casey Hampton’s fat.

Apparently.

by Desroko on Aug 3, 2008 12:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mental Edge

I believe that Tomlin (and the other “idiots”) are trying to break the players from possible offseason malaise – and getting them back in the grove for the long fight. Case in point Mr. Hampton. Being a “hardass” works well with some and not so well with others, but that usually sorts itself out. As others have posted – he seems to have the intelligence to know when to use this tactic and when not to. By all reports he is running this camp much different;y than the last one, which he did work the team very hard apparently (I suspect that was litmus test to see the type of men that the players were).

by SCSteeler on Aug 3, 2008 6:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Casey Hampton has always been "fat"..

..through an All American college career, being selected in the first round of the NFL draft, and about 10 seasons in the league, several of which merited Pro Bowl nominations.

Besides which, is he going to become “fit” more quickly sitting on his helmet all day on the sidelines?

Nonsensical, like the majority of the gibberish that emantes from the mouth of the head coach.

by robert ethan on Aug 3, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ditto

Just like the nonsensical, gibberish that comes out of your mouth when it comes to Tomlin.
Why don’t you just man up and admit what you are. You could not coach and ant farm. Troll!

by steelersrock08 on Aug 3, 2008 3:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly - ten seasons in the league.

He’s past the time when he could afford to haul around even more extra weight than usual. Thank God we have a coach that’s willing to make it clear to him.

by Desroko on Aug 3, 2008 5:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hampton only has to function in a limited area at his position..

A nose tackle in a 3-4 defense is more like a sumo wrestler than anything else, and Hampton has the perfect build for it.

by robert ethan on Aug 5, 2008 12:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, that "old injury"...

...didn’t seem to stop him from playing all of last season.

by robert ethan on Aug 3, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

so

Tomlin shouldn’t have had Sepulveda practicing punting in training camp? it’s not like he got injured playing on the O-Line in a tackle drill. from how it sounds he could’ve stepped wrong walking up the stairs to his house and re-tore it. you are an idiot.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Aug 4, 2008 4:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not sure how Sepulveda hurt his knee..

..he didn’t mention any specific incident, other than the fact that it swole up on him. But there were about 10 other players beside him who missed today’s practice through a variety of injuries, mainly muscle pulls. That indicates to me that they are trying to do too much too soon. It is the coach’s job to know the right level of intensity to allow them to advance their fitness level and not go overboard and lose whatever progress they made by being forced to the sidelines for periods of time.

by robert ethan on Aug 4, 2008 11:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"Groin injuries"

Half the starting team is out with “groin inuries”. The best veterans on the team seem to be the hardest hit. In other words, enjoy the free time off guys. This is camp cupcake.

by BadMaafala on Aug 4, 2008 11:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Further evidence

The only significant injuries that have kept anyone out for more than a few days have been Dan’s (bad luck + preexisting condition), Kemo’s and Troy’s (pre-camp PUP injuries). There were more lingering injuries last year.

Admit it, you’ve been impressed with Tomlin so far this camp. You know you have.

by BadMaafala on Aug 4, 2008 11:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wondering about this too

It does seem like there are a whole lot of “groin injuries” out there.

I had one – a pull or something – once and I could barely walk, so I wonder about these guys being able to come back so quick. I suspect there is some element of give the vets some time off to it. Funny enough though, when I got that injury it was at a football practice after I had been inactive for a long time. Hmmmm.

by SCSteeler on Aug 5, 2008 2:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Face the facts

We have alot of veterans who don’t need these reps, they already have the playbook down 99% and might need a refresher every once in a while and what not. So as someone said earlier, this string of injuries is just, “take it easy guys, we need you for the long haul.”
Let’s let the young guys battle it out for those last spots on the team. Let’s see who really wants to be a Steeler!

by iBleedBlack&Gold on Aug 5, 2008 3:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jim Wexell....

Says as much in his blog. Notice how long it has taken players to come back from ‘groin’ pulls this year compared with Timmons’ pull last year. You know the one that kept him out of OTA’s. I think its nice that the coach sees fit to give vets any time off they want without answeringg stupid questions from the media.

60 minute men

by I.W.H.F.M.D.95 on Aug 5, 2008 8:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good point.

makes alot of sense when all put together

by iBleedBlack&Gold on Aug 5, 2008 10:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lolley

mentioned it as well. the “groin” injury is an easy way of giving a guy a day off. i’m sure ALL the players have sore groins, backs, calves, everything is sore during training camp. the only serious injury we have is Sepulveda.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Aug 5, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

BS

“It’sthe coaches job….” What a bunch of BS. Tell us Ethan, is Tomlin supposed to be able to anticipate when Santanio Holmes hamstring is about to stretch beyond its normal limit, and call him off to avert the injury?

by feworker on Aug 6, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, Casey has been able to do all of that, but he’s 31 now and not 25. If he wants to keep playing at the high level some of that weight is going to have to come off…

by BluegrassSteeler on Aug 3, 2008 3:30 PM EDT   0 recs

oops

But this is the first year he couldn’t finish the conditioning run. This is something that everyone knows is coming so there is no excuse to not be prepared for it. If Tomlin didn’t take some step in reprimanding him for failing the test, then he’s sending a message to the team that he’s not serious.

by RickVa on Aug 3, 2008 4:03 PM EDT   0 recs

And

If he hadn’t taken some action you (RE) would have criticized him for being ‘soft’, a phony martinet. Perhaps one day Tomlin will screw up and commit a fireable offense. But not last week. Sorry.

by RickVa on Aug 3, 2008 4:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Nice Post. . Hampton Follow-up

My first time back into bloggin this season, so forgive me if I bring up an old topic. Nice post Rick, although I’m not sure if I’m ready to annoint this WR core as elite just yet. . . time will tell.

With regards to big Casey Hampton (who will be in probowl form, so nobody worry), when I first heard the story of his failed run test and being placed on PUP I thought there must be more to it. Did Casey do anything this offseason to get in Tomlin’s dog house? Also, don’t forget that Tomlin comes from Minnesota, where Korey Stringer died from heat exhaustion in 2001. That may’ve been a few years before Tomlin got there, but I’m sure his memory still invokes particular care in Viking camp when these type of situations come up.

by The IC Lion on Aug 4, 2008 10:31 AM EDT   0 recs

Hampton

A possible different perspective – How often have we seen veterans on the PUP list in preseason in past years, who then play the entire season with no issues? Could it be that Tomlin is just using this to rest up a key veteran so he’s fresh for the season? Maybe not, but still a possibility.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 4, 2008 11:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Injuries

In baseball they give guys days off every so often and they simply say it’s a rest. In football such is against man-law. In football they must attribute a body part, so they come up with all these different body parts when in fact these guys are simply being paced. Most Violent hit it on the head. You can’t complain that Tomlin is working them too hard on one hand and then worry about the fake injuries that give guys days off on the other.

Regarding “real injuries” I am not convinced there are more today than in yesteryear. The great Steeler teams used to have guys all the time, Hall of Famers, who either missed playoff games in the 70s or started and got knocked out. It happened all the time really, with every position and just about every player (except maybe Webster). The best Steeler team of all time (many think), 1976, lost in the playoffs to Oakland without Franco or Rocky. Swann, Lambert, Ham, Wagner, linebackers, lineman, DBs all took turns being on the shelf.

The difference was that with 26 NFL teams instead of 32, there were six whole teams who were spread around back then to give the 26 teams more depth. All NFL teams used to have more depth so that injuries weren’t as impactful. We’d see guys like Loren Toews, Tony Dungy, Ed Bradley, Jim Smith etc. in key playoff games and those guys were very good back-ups. You could still hold your own. Now if you lose an Aaron Smith, Fast Willie, Marvel-type guys you are hurting big-time because you have no depth.

Give Tomlin credit for trying to rectify that. Our receivers, running backs, linebackers, DBs and tight ends are fairly deep. Both lines, that’s another thing, but you can only do so much in so much time. Those areas must be on the agenda, but I imagine every NFL team has an agenda.

by maryrose on Aug 5, 2008 4:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Good points

I guess one other reason that injuries are getting discussed more these days is that the league has done more to try to reduce the number of injuries, and they are still happening. Certainly, many rules have been put in to protect QBs. These rules were put in precisely because those are the players that the NFL believes fans want to see, so they want to make sure those players are in the games, rather than on the sidelines injured. I guess it’s just that as more and more money is involved, the league (and owners) worry more about the injuries. That may be why I heard the discussion about more injuries caused to ligaments and tendons than in the past.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 5, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course

While I am sensing that injuries may have been numerically the same, we may well have seen changes with the type of injuries. The old days saw alot of concussions and bone/muscle bruise situations resulting from the way they allowed guys to whack and smash each other. They’ve since outlawed late hits, high hits, excessive hits, chop blocks and the likes, so while the numbers may be similar, we may be seeing fewer concussions and bruises and more ligaments and tendons. Which would beg the question, why?

by maryrose on Aug 5, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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