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Steelers vs. Bills Postgame Analysis

There were several things of which I took notice during the Steelers vs. Bills game Thursday night in Toronto, some of which were good, some of which was so-so, and some of which were flat out terrible.  Here are my positives, indifferences, and negatives from Thursday's game.

Positives:

Ben Roethlisberger- Looked like he was picking up where he left off last season when he had a passer rating second only to Tom Brady.   I especially liked his awareness and ability to make a play when the offensive line broke down.  On a couple occasions Ben was flushed out of the pocket and made a play as he was going down.  The interception was off of a tip and therefore not his fault.  Nice show of arm strength on the TD pass to Santonio Holmes.

Lawrence Thimmons- I really liked the energy he brought to the table when he was in the game.  His motor kept running until the whistle blew.  One a few occasions, I kept my eye on Thimmons when he was knocked down.  He sprang right back up and kept attacking the football.  Nice job, overall.

Indifferences:

Steelers Starting Offensive Line- I thought they did a mediocre job at best.  Bottom line, when the protection broke down, Ben made up for what the line lacked.  The line has to get a better push up front on running downs.  Willie Parker and Rashard Mendenhall had a hard time running the ball when the first team line was on the field.  Week in and week out, the Steelers aren't going to be playing team's like the Bills.  The Steelers are going against the cream of the crop in the NFL, with statistically the toughest schedule in the league this season.  If the Bills can bust multiple running plays up for little to no gain, then what do you think the Chargers, Patriots, Jaguars, Colts, Ravens, and Cowboys are going to do.  This is an area where we must improve, for the sake of FWP, Mendy, and Ben.

Nate Washington- The only reason I'm putting Washington in the mediocre category is because I'm afraid to congratulate him.  I thought he worked hard Thursday night, and I really liked that I didn't see him drop any balls.  He just needs to do it on a more consistent basis.

Jeff Reed- Dude, buddy, I have your jersey man.  What's with the missed 44 yarder? That's a chip shot for you.  It's not like Reed to miss a field goal like that.  I put him in the mediocre category because I know he'll make up for it later.

Negatives

Steelers Starting Defense- There's a saying in popular culture today when someone is surprised and/or disappointed by something they've just seen or heard.  It's three words long, one syllable for each word, and is abbreviated W.T.F. usually with a "?!" after it.  I usually don't like to be a nay-sayer or a buzz kill, but what was going on out there?  That's the first team defense, you know, the guys that are going to show up EVERY Sunday.  The Bills starting air and ground attack cut through the Steelers defensive starters like a knife to hot butter.  To be honest with you, that kind of performance by the defense, coupled with the mediocrity of the offensive line, makes me think what the Steelers are going to do with the 4th overall pick in the 2009 NFL draft, after going 3-13.  We can not beat the top, and some of the more mediocre teams in the NFL with a starting defensive performance like the one that was put on display Thursday night.

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Some Defensive Thoughts

The D surely did look lackluster, but perhaps there are good reasons for it.

First, the 3-4 blitz heavy style the Steelers love is dependent upon the offense being confused about what is actually going on (missing assingments etc) and this requires a certain amount of trickery. However, I doubt they’re going to reveal their new blizt packages and such in a preseason game. So yeah, the D was pretty bland, but when it counts i think it’ll take a step up.

Troy: This unit, however, is missing Troy. There was no x factor in the secondary to disrupt plays, decapitate people, etc. Plus, a lot of those poor tackles wouldn’t have happened with Troy – not because he would have wrapped up, but because while they were struggling out of a botched Ryan Clark hit he would be flying toward them cleaning things up. I’m also with those folks that think we should move Smith to SS, cut Carter, and put Mundy as the backup FS. He’s a smart, coachable guy who hits really hard and will stay with the play called – something essential to good FS play.

A few notes on Timmons:

Everytime you mention that Timmons ought to be starting over Foote, someone chimes in that while “yes” Timmons is great against the pass, has incredible explosivness, and could be a very disruptive force to any offense , Foote is still better (i.e. more dependable) against the run. However, the fact that Foote is unable to really go into coverage, or close on the edges, means that he is always in position for the run. So, it’s not that Foote is better at stopping run plays up the middle, but that his physical limitations mean that he is always in position to play the run.

However, Timmons needs this job and the team needs for Timmons to have this job.

by BluegrassSteeler on Aug 15, 2008 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Troy

I agree that Troy is a freak, but Troy is only one man. The entire defensive unit looked abysmal on Thursday night. Troy is good, but he can’t make up for an entire unit’s poor performance.

Pain is certain, suffering is optional...

by SteveMeredith on Aug 15, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question for those who watched the game

I haven’t watched the game yet b/c it didn’t come on NFL network in my neck of the woods until very late but the highlights that I saw were down right ugly. But here’s my questions:

How did McFadden look and how much did he play?
Other than his holding penalty, did Hartwig stand out either good or bad?
I saw some recaps that Mendenhall still looks timid and runs to ‘high,’ Agree/Disagree?
Leftwich’s stats don’t look very good, did he look that bad?
Dallas Baker had a good statistical game, did he actually stand out or just pick up stats in mop-up time?
Did Big Snack look like a big snack or was he effective?

by cgolden on Aug 15, 2008 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t particularly notice McFadden doing anything either great or bad – mostly they ignored him in order to victimize Tyrone Carter.

Hartwig looked okay, he didn’t open up the middle as much as you’d expect from a bigger, more physical Center. Kemo didn’t look great either, but may still be working out the kinks. Willie Colon continues to look almost okay, which is something new.

Mendenhall needs to get lower and more instinctual. He looks good, but he doesn’t attack gaps in the line as furiously as you’d like.

Leftiwch looked like a guy that only had a couple of days to learn a playbook. He probably would have looked better if he’d worked with the more experienced group of WR’s – they could probably have compensated for his lack of playbook knowledge.

I thought Baker looked good, he kind of became Dixon’s clutch reciever on that last drive. I think he makes the team over Willie Reid, who looked pretty ho hum on both offense and special teams. He just doesn’t have the elusiveness or big play ability you want out of him.

Big Snack looked rusty and, sometimes, like he was going half speed. Still, this may have been uninspired play calling.

Hope this helps!

by BluegrassSteeler on Aug 15, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leftwich

could have used a little more touch on one of his passes, but damn the dude showed that he could really zing it in there. Top notch recievers need to be able to haul bullets in too, Sweed looked a sec too slow on his miss of a bullet.

One point of note, when leftwich had some of his decent years the Jags had Jimmy Smith, since then it has been Reggie Williams and Matt Jones, who both are mediocre to say the least (jones is also incarcerated)

Hines and Tone would not miss those types of passes, Nate probably would, and Sweed gets a pass this preseason.

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Aug 18, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense and Mendenhall

I too did not get to see this game; like cg I had a blackout of the game.

The defense, from what it sounds like is not much different then last week. They were better than they were this week but the same problems were there. Mistackles, poor push along the line,etc. What I did see which was a major improvement, was the sack factor. We only had one against Philly, and I think we had 3 in this game. Still I think the Steelers are have some hair pulling to do at the end of this season. Who should we draft round 1 Duke Robinson the monster guard out of Oklahoma, or one of the LSU Defensive linemen in Tyson Jackson or Al Woods (some early predictions from yours truly)?

What I have heard multiple times since Mendenhall began his career last week, is that he needs to get lower when he’s about to get hit and just in general when he runs. Luckily that’s a fundamental thing which should be easy to fix…Congrats to him on his first TD!

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Aug 15, 2008 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Overall thoughts and notes

I thought Ben was very good. He was 9 of 11, with one of the 2 incomplete passes a throwaway (yay!). The int was really unlucky, but it still wasn’t a great decision. Good to see him and Moore make a nice 3rd and long coversion. I was actually unimpressed with the TD pass to Holmes, considering how open Holmes was and the fact that the ball hung up enough to let an out-of-position backup free safety still get a lick on Holmes. Ed Reed would have picked it off. It was against Cover-2, so he should be able to zip it in to Holmes before the safety gets there. Solid game for Ben, though, considering that he had to do his usual scrambling.

The OL had some struggles with edge rushers and opening holes. No sacks, but Colon got beat and and helped cause the int, and Schobel got a few pressures that forced the throwaway and the scary (but brilliant) pass to Ward. There wasn’t a lot of running room, and Hartwig also set up the int with his holding penalty on a 3rd and 1 running play. I’m a little concerned with Marvel Smith, even if he has gone up against 2 top pass rushers (Schobel and Cole) without letting up a sack. I’m also wondering if they’re trying to fit Kemo too much into a Faneca shaped hole. He’s not great in space, but he always seems to be running around. Also, if there is a pocket, Ben needs to learn to step up in it.

I don’t think the numbers do Dixon’s game justice. They were brought down by some drops, a miscommunication on a deep pass to Reid, and running the 2 minute offense at the end. He was calm in the pocket and made smart throws to open receivers early. He got a little less accurate later but he still moved the ball well in the 2 minute drill. If we had had some timeouts, a little more time, more experienced players with him, or a 6’6 WR who can catch, he might very well have led the team to a tie or win.

Leftwich looked terrible. I know he’s new, but the stuff that really bothered me was what he has always done: long throwing motion, no touch passes, fumbles. He threw one quick hitch to Sweed (IIRC) that illustrated why I’m not thrilled with him. A quick hitch only works if the defense doesn’t see it coming. At the snap, Sweed looks at the QB, waits for him to finish throwing, catches a 5 yard (lateral) rocket pass, then gets clobbered by 2 defenders who were able to grap some coffee while they were waiting for the wind up. And that fumble was dowright embarassing.

I thought Baker looked pretty solid, whereas Reid made both good and bad plays. Reid had one really nice return, but then a few amatuer ones too. I’m guessing Baker makes the team. He just looks more confident.

Mendenhall looked better when he was improvising (he had a nice gain off a circle button worthy cutback spin move) than when he was running the play. It concerns me a little, since he came from a zone blocking spread offense in college where he had to choose the hole and he’s playing in a man blocking offense now (thanks, cg ;). I don’t want him to be the Michael Vick of running backs. Russell looked good.

Timmons looked like a bigger Troy flying around. He had 2 really nice blitzes where he flew in untouched netting him a sack and a crushing hit on the QB that caused a wobbly pass. He came on delayed blitzes, but the delay wasn’t very long with his burst. This was definitely our most effective blitz scheme of the night. He did get pushed around a bit in the running game, though. I feel like he was trying to make plays instead of taking on blocks and trusting his teammates at times. Woodley was a bit disappointing. He didn’t get much pressure, and on the first TD pass, he had a chance for a sack but was stoned by Marshawn Lynch. Also, whoever let Edwards off the hook on that drive-ending-sack-turned-25-yard-first-down run needs a good talking to.

As terrible as that one KR was, the ST looked very good the rest of the time. We gave up 2 yards on 3 PR’s, and an 18 yard average on the other KR’s. People were getting downfield, working together, and making tackles. Also, McKelvin is going to be a very good returner, so we shouldn’t beat ourselves up over one bad play in the preseason.

Sorry for the long post.

by BadMaafala on Aug 15, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Like the long post just fine. On the KR for TD did anyone see our first guy down there get clipped…the only footage I saw on the game was the link from cgolden (thanks!), so it looked a littel blurry, but it seemed like a definite behind the back shove. That doesn’t forgive the other missed tackles. – But if there was a clip there…you might feel a little better about ST.

I was also goin to ask who let the pressure on Ben when the interception came as it was blurry, but thanks for answering that one. Was that Starks on the 2nd team? The clips seemed to show him doing some good there.

Dixon looks like the deal from what I can see. Although if the line lets him get sacked it looks like he would snap in two. Definitely not feeling the Leftwich love now.

by SCSteeler on Aug 15, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

KR

I also thought that there was a block in the back on that KR for TD. But, I often think that and then realize that they actually got their head in front. It was hard to tell on the small screen, but I plan on checking it out when I record the game tomorrow. Yeah, I missed it last night.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 15, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let us know...

I’d be curious to know the result of that inspection.

by SCSteeler on Aug 15, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry I took so long answering

I just went and looked at it. It was very close to a block in the back (Bills 57 on our number 41), but I believe the rule is that if the player gets his head in front of the the opposing player, he can hit hit him from the back/side. That’s what it looked like to me. I think if it was called, it probably would have been close enough to not get the official downgraded badly.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 17, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks...oh well...

There goes that little bit of medication for the “uh oh here we go again” feeling.

I didn’t realise the head-in-front rule. There could be entire seasons worth of me screaming about clipping that wasn’t. I will definitely start watching out for that.

by SCSteeler on Aug 17, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Head in front rule

It’s been a while since I heard it, so I wouldn’t swear by it, but I do think that is the rule. Like I said, this was very close to being a block in the back. It looked like, if anything, the Bills player only got his helmet over the shoulder of our guy.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 18, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just watched the replays, and I didn’t see a blatant hold or block in the back. McKelvin made a nice move to make the initial guy look really bad, then outran the only other guy who had a shot. I don’t think it was our “starting” special teams, though, so I wouldn’t let it get me down.

Also, I remember one more play that impressed me. Ben called an audible at the line and Spaeth ran a quick seam route for a nice gain. It was a simple play, but it impressed me.

by BadMaafala on Aug 15, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was Schobel on the INT

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Aug 18, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense

last pre-season our D was at a regular season intensity level, and I think that was part of the reason we wore down. Defense is all about intensity, I’d rather our guys save it for the regular season, and I think that is precisely what Tomlin wants too. Not worried about the D really.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Aug 15, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

plus

Hampton was with the starters and he was definitely game-rusty. That has a big effect.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Aug 15, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree, which is why

I hope we don’t see Timmons playing into the fourth quarter the next couple of games. He is young and his body can take it, and he does need the experience, but i think that they know what he can do, its time to start him and sit him with the rest of the first team….

by SteelerBuddha on Aug 15, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep!

Give him a breather, and maybe let a few teams forget about him too… probably not going to happen.

by SCSteeler on Aug 15, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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