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Mid Preseason Observations

Here is a six-pack of thoughts and observations to chew on while we sit in the middle of the preseason...

1)  Tomlin needs to tighten the dial a bit on defense.  His philosophy seems to be avoid the big play at all costs.  Keep the play in front of you and make the tackle.  This is evident by his benching of players when they do give up the big play plus the Steelers alarmingly low number of interceptions (11) last year and thus far in preseason.  Teams caught on to Tomlin's tendencies by mid-season last year and seemed to chip us down the field at will.  Same thing with the two preseason games thus far.  Chip, chip, chip.  There is a fine line.  Play too tight and get burnt, play too loose and get bled.  Tomlin needs to tighten up a bit and pay a little more home run risk for the gain of being able to stop people before they make yardage all the time.

2) Timmons will be a starter by September.  He needs to be on the field as much as possible.  Sub packages are great, but I want him there on first down.  I'd trade his play on special teams for his play on first downs.

3)  Santonio will be among the top five fantasy receivers this year.  He's smarter, still on the upside and playing with a quarterback who is on the upside.  Plus defenses must stay honest with him since Hines and Heath and Nate and maybe Sweed will make them be honest.

4)  Ben will not be sacked more than 32 times, a reduction of one-third from previous years.  He'll throw a few more away and check down a few more on blitzes.  Plus, the O-line will play better this year (they can't get much worse).  Kemo will have a better 2008 than Faneca had in 2007.  Colon will be improved and the center position will be improved.

5) Special teams coverage will be much improved (again, can't get much worse).  The McKelvin thing can't trump the excellent coverage we've been getting.  Most of the people on the McKelvin play won't be on the team it happened so late.

6)  The D-Line will not be as good as people hope.  Casey Hampton will learn the hard way that a 31-year old body at 350 pounds cannot turn it on and off as he thinks.  The backers will have to make up for that.  I'm afraid there will be times when I actually want Hoke in the game.

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1) Last pre-season the D was commented on as playing at “mid-season intensity”, and I think that hurt us in the long run, as we wore out. Tomlin went lighter on the guys this year so they can play at a high level all season long. I don’t see any problems with the D. Hamp had a bad game because he’s only been playing football for 4 days.
2) Agreed. Timmons (and Woodley) are both stars. Period.
3) Holmes is going to be one of the best receivers in the NFL the next 5+ years.
4) Agreed on the sacks.
5) Agree about the coverage, but we need a returner to surface.
6) Having Hoke play a bit more is completely fine with me. Our defense had a HUGE year with him as the NT when Hamp went down early in the season. Farrior even said he loves Hoke just as much as Hampton. D-Line should be good, and will look better when Woodley and Harrison are both rushing the tackles.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Aug 16, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Afraid you're right about the D-Line

It’s always a bad sign when the Steeler D can’t stop the run pretty much on command. I did not like what I saw the other night. Too much like the Jax game. Getting Troy back and adding Timmons will not solve that problem. The line is responsible for those holes not opening in the first place. The defense has to get off the field, period. The fact that Silverback is complaining about the performance of the unit is encouraging. An important sign of emerging leadership. That, btw was the biggest impact of the whole Hampton incident, a failure in leardership. Based on his performance and the performance of the D so far, Big Snack doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

The offense will be better than fine. But it will still disappoint if the spend the year bailing out the D.

by RickVa on Aug 16, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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You are right on the spot as usual maryrose. Hartwig and Kemoeatu looked good next to each other. Dixon looks like he will do well. His knee looks fine and he seems to be a smart player. Still can’t get used to Leftwich in a Steelers uniform, but a good backup.

by Bleedblack&gold on Aug 17, 2008 12:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tomlin not to blame....

 If we can’t get pressure on the qb we can’t be over-agressive with our coverage. We should be improved in the sack department with Woodley and Harrison complimenting each other.

I agree that Timmons should be on the field as much as possible, he’s the most athletic LB we have.

Santonio IS going to have a big year if he can stay healthy. He has become Ben’s favorite target and their chemistry is apparent. The addition of Limas Sweed makes our passing game one of the most dangerous in the league.

The o-line and kick coverage will be improved or else!!

by UNCsteeler on Aug 17, 2008 2:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great comments by all

but I think its a little early to call out Hampton and the D-Line.

Both Hampton and Smith are on the downside of their career, but I think both of these guys have some football left in them.

There is no question Big Snack, should have done a little less snacking and a little more exercise in the of season, but I think its premature to assess how he will look on the field. I also think we should remember that B-S was the starting nose tackle on a 9-3 team with the top ranked run defense in the league when he lost his linemate last year. He may not have finished strong, but my guess is it had more to do with Aaron Smith going down then with the snickers to sit up ratio of our robust nose tackle.

Remember that the Steeler Line had gone 35 games without allowing a 100 yard rusher until the Jets game. That’s an absolutely absurd statistic. I also don’t think you can lay the Jets game on the D-Line either. The team missed a lot of tackles (Aaron Smith actually finished with 7 tackles leading the team – not exactly common). Really that game was lost by the o-line who gave up seven sacks and who I think was responsible for some of the 100 yards worth of penalties we gave up that game.

My point is its a little early to disparage Big Snack. Am I worried? Sure a bit, but that’s my nature as a Steeler fan. I spent the first half of the Bills game shaking my head and muttering “oh this bad, this is real bad.” My girlfriend, who is not a fan, tried to remind me that i had just told her 15 minutes before that the game was meaningless. But I trust Ed Bochutte on his assessment of our starting d- line. They are top notch. Its the back ups we have to worry about.

by SteelerBuddha on Aug 17, 2008 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Defense

I agree with the commenters who have a wait and see approach to the defense. After all, they were very highly rated (maybe even a bit over rated) at the end of the regular season. The obvious weak link is the lack of depth at D-Line but the infusion of youth at LB (I’m counting on Timmons to break the starting lineup) should have a major impact.

As for Tomlin’s defensive philosophy, I tend to think Dick LeBeau has more to do with that than Tomlin does. The problems they faced last year was a lack of depth and endurance when the season became a grind. Hopefully that changes this year!

As for the Offense….not much to say, they look poised to become a factor for serveral years to come.

If we can focus our future drafts on both front lines, the word “dynasty” could become part of a serious Steeler discussion.

by Steev1705 on Aug 17, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow… Rare to hear the word “dynasty” thrown around before the first championship is won. Man, you Steelers fans crack me up sometimes.

by kwoog on Aug 17, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Math class for Browns fans...

How many championships do 5 Lombardi Trophies represent?

I don’t like the “dynasty” thing either, but there is proven ground with our team. What Steev1705 is saying is that we have a pretty loaded offense, and some young probable stars on defense. If we get the line support – we’re looking good for some time, and Romeo is looking for a job ;)

by SCSteeler on Aug 17, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that’s the opinion of your team, which is fine and can be backed up by arguments (I personally am on record saying the Steelers are on the downswing).

Regardless, my entire point was that you usually don’t hear “dynasty” talk until at least a second championship in a row… But some Steelers fans talk about it after a wild card round defeat. It’s amusing.

by kwoog on Aug 18, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe he said:

“If we can focus our future drafts on both front lines, the word "dynasty” could become part of a serious Steeler dicussion". That’s not dynasty talk, it’s conditional talk of dynasty talk. I’m sure someone on the Texans or Cardinals board could say the same thing. All he’s saying is that we have very good young LB’s, WR’s, RB’s, and TE’s, and we have a great QB in the making. Our OL isn’t great and our DL is old, but IF we can fix those things in the next few years, we could be a pretty dominant team. Surely there’s more homer talk somewhere on this board. You’d better get busy if you want to point it all out.

And hey, I heard Shaun Rogers was great in a drill the other day. He batted a pass down too!!!

by BadMaafala on Aug 18, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet, thanks for the update on Rogers! ha ha

In actuality, he’s been out of practice for 3 days b/c of knee soreness. But he’ll be playing tonight, national tv/monday night game vs. the world champs. I’m sure you’ll be watching, Bad. ;D

by kwoog on Aug 18, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cardinals' dynasty?
I’m sure someone on the Texans or Cardinals board could say the same thing.

Everyone goes overboard during preseason. That’s right sports fans, everyone is confident this time of year. We’re all drunk on our own Kool-Aid and the word dynasty gets thrown around like the dreaded L-word from a high schooler in the back seat of a car.

by cgolden on Aug 18, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So in 2000

Can you name which teams have won a SB? Let me see the brownies have to be there somewhere, right? I am glad you come to this site, everyone needs to experience what a winning attitude is like.

by zeke5123 on Aug 17, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If there is a dynasty here, the first championship would have been the 2005 SB win.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 18, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Kwoog

Thinking big. A sign of a championship mentality. Conception precedes results, something you Cleveland guys could learn.

by RickVa on Aug 17, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A Few Insights From The DaTruth

— Larry Foote has not had as good a preseason as L. Timmons and has repeatedly been beat in coverage. If Timmons isn’t in the starting lineup by Sept. 1, then Tomlin isn’t serious about winning football games, which means getting your best players on the field.

— Too early to push the panic button, but the team’s D-Line is getting pushed around pretty good, especially against the Bills. Woodley never sniffed the QB, but I’m not too worried about him. There is NO depth behind our big 3 right now, to the point that the team signed Orpheus Roye today, who is 50 years old. There will be other bodies come cut time, but it’s not a good sign to have to go outside this late to try and find quality DLs. By this time, you either have it or you don’t. The bright side is that they’re not satisfied with what they have and that the DL backups can’t play any worse this year than they did coming down the stretch this past year.

— Kemo and Hartwig could be an upgrade over Faneca and Mahan this past year. DaTruth doesn’t care what the prognosticators say about the world coming to an end because Faneca isn’t gracing this team with his presence. The Faneca of 2007 wasn’t the Faneca of 2005. Sometimes you have to move on and give someone else a shot.

— Seeing Big Ben throw that ball away on third down and 10 was a thing a beauty. Once he learns how to do that and when to do that, then he’ll be mentioned in the same breath of Brady and Peyton Manning.

— DaTruth doesn’t like any reminders of the gaffe on special teams (McElvin’s TD) but I’m not going to lose any sleep about it. Keyaron Fox & Mike Humpal will both help all of us sleep a bit easier on special teams.

— DaTruth doesn’t think Tomlin & company has settled on a returner as of yet. Don’t know about you but M. Moore looks a whole lot better on punt returns than he does kickoff returns. At least Eddie Drummond or Bloom would be a threat to take it a distance. I think M. Moore is a threat to find the sidelines & go out of bounds. DaTruth does like the hands he’s shown on third down, though. Let’s hope his blocking is as good.

— This coaching staff has to find a way for Gary Russell to be active on gamedays. He is the best goal-line runner and short-yardage runner on this team. He can also return kicks and play special teams. If it is 3rd and 1 and this team needs a 1st down, the comfort level isn’t that high right now on the DaTruth’s truth meter about giving the ball to Mendenhall (still running too straight up) and Fast Willie (still too light in the pants). Russell asks like his next meal depends on him picking up yardage each time he touches the ball.

— The Max Starks situation is officially a farce. Did they really give the guy a chance? He looks to be in the best shape since he’s been a Steeler. Also, do you guys think T. Hills make this team as a backup lineman? Considering they will have 3 free agent tackles, they may have no choice but to keep him. However, that means Stapleton will probably be cut if that is the case. Or do we keep 10 lineman & only 9 DBs?

— Too bad McFadden can’t beat out Deshea. Datruth still thinks the kid can play, but it’s hard to get a big payday on the bench. The good thing is that with this team, he’ll still be on the field about 70 percent of the time because of the work a 3rd corner gets in this defense. Let’s see how this unfolds.

— Are you guys as anxious to see some players get a bus ticket out of town — T. Carter, Nick Eason — as DaTruth? Who else on this team would you guys like to see get the GONG on this team by the final cut?

— Has Dallas Baker landed the 5th WR spot or would you just give it to the best returner — Drummond, Bloom or Reid?

That’s it. Thoughts?

by datruth4life on Aug 17, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most of it...

Larry Foote hasn’t out played Timmons and even though he may have the edge in experience, it’s another thing to have the talent. If they play Timmons NOW while other teams are still adjusting to their regular season play then Timmons will have the opportunity to gain experience. There’s no need to wait for the future…a blind man can see he’s a star in the making.

Kemo and Hartwig are most certainly a step up. I absolutely loved Faneca but his best years are behind him. He’s still a high quality lineman but an overpaid one. Kemo looked like a road grader last week and Hartwig couldn’t play any worse that Mahan did last year. The only question I have about both of their history with injuries. Both Mahan and Faneca were able to avoid the injury bug, lets hope they can too.

I’m not satisfied by what I’ve seen in the return game so far. It’s not bad, but it could be much better. I’d like to see Bloom get a chance at kickoffs and more of Drummond. Moore just didn’t look like he had the speed/nimble feet to break out and score a TD.

I’m not sure if Max Starks got a real chance or not. If the coaches didn’t like what they saw in camp then he might have blown his opportunity to start in the preseason. I have to admit, when I saw him play in San Diego two seasons ago I was under whelmed. He was slow to get out of his stance and the faster DE’s were blowing passed him. The Steelers ultimately lost that game and he had a lot to do with it. I think he only got the big money because he’s a solid back-up and they didn’t have many options….Lucky Him!

I’ve been waiting for McFadden to break the starting lineup too. He flashes glimpses of greatness and then other times he disappears. I don’t know if Townsend is playing really great or if McFadden just isn’t consistent enough but if he can’t crack the starting lineup then his next payday is going to shrink significantly.

I would also like to see Ty Carter hit the road. He always seems to be a bit late to recognize a play and the better NFL receivers make him look old and slow.

I’m beginning t think the best kick returner is going to think the best kick returner is going to win the 5th wide receiver spot. Right now my money’s on Drummond but I’m not sold just yet.

And finally, I completely agree about Gary Russell. That guy runs hard all the time. he’s tough, hungry and plays with an attitude. I like that! I like that a lot!

by Steev1705 on Aug 17, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Russell

He does look good but there’s just not any way to have four active running backs on game days. I’d imagine that if they have a hard time getting short yardage converted, we might see Carey Davis line up deep and another big body at fullback.

by cgolden on Aug 18, 2008 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hills

I don’t know if he’s going to make the PS at the rate he’s going. They still like Stapleton a lot, I think. I also think Baker’s been the best of the #5 WR candidates. Drummond and Reid haven’t looked good enough on returns IMO to get the last spot.

by BadMaafala on Aug 18, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hills

He was drafted as a project so I don’t think they were expecting much of anything from his this year. I agree he’s looked terrible but he’ll be here for at least this year and then we’ll judge him on next year’s camp and preseason.

I did here a terrible scouting report on him though from training camp that described him as a “Max Starks look-alike” but with tooth picks for legs.

by cgolden on Aug 18, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Russell

I agree with datruth about Gary Russell…I was impressed last year with his toughness and again this year…he is built nice and low, always falling forward.

It may be me but…I don’t think you should have to “teach” a RB picked #23 to run lower…guys who run upright in this league aren’t around very long.

by SteelerMike on Aug 17, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

RB's

ED was 6’3"…Eddie George was 6’3"…Roger Craig 6’ (I think)…a 5’9" running back should not run upright

My disappointment with Mendy is more his timidness than his running upright…on 1 play v. Bills he actually stop 5 yards into the hole and turn away from the tackler!!!…I couldn’t believe it…

The three guys above may have run upright but they all had other amazing gifts…ED was smooth, shifty, blazing speed…George was built like a Greek god…and nobody ran harder than Roger Craig…those high, churning knees

I love to watch RB’s…I was a former RB who played in college so I understand the position extremely well…there are many different styles and lots of ways to be a real good RB…even upright runners as mentioned above…but those are the exceptions and not the rule…

Again, I don’t necessarily think he runs too upright…it’s the apparent “softness”/shying away from contact that concerns me…his excuse in the goal line drill was “I was thinking of what play to run..” yeah…I wonder what his excuse was during the Bills game when he completely turned away from contact…I sense a pattern

I know it’s early to judge Mendy, but with RB spot it’s usually, what you see is what you get…it doesn’t take years to develop a RB…you have it or you don’t

Like all of you, I hope he develops and grows…but my early impressions…disappointing…

by SteelerMike on Aug 18, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Points well taken SteelerM

I hope you’re concerns are ultimately proven wrong of course!

For what its worth my initial impressions of Mendenhall is GREAT vision, size, speed, and strength. I agree running backs “are what they are” when they reach the NFL and can pretty much step into the league as well as at any position, but isn’t Mendenhall especially young, 21 I think? And inexperienced?

Somehow he looks to me to be a little unsure of the pro game at this point and how he should be playing it, what works at this level, what doesn’t. He actually gives me the impression of a smart player. He sees with his great vision what’s going on at this level, and now he’s trying to figure out how to best attack it.

His play and his comments about “thinking” may come from reading the playbook, and all the coaching he’s been getting. As he continues to play in actual games and starts to get some real experience at this level I think his confidence will grow and his size, speed, and vision are going to start to show up big time on the stat sheet.

Only time will tell. Again, hope I’m right!

by herewegosteelers on Aug 18, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mendy

I just think hes not used to the blocking scheme and style of play. He ran that spread out system in college, so it will take time for him to get into the flow. I dont think hes scared of contact. From the highlights ive seen on this guy he really goes after contact. Hes a bit timid, but he has all the skills to be an elite back. I think he will eventually shine once hes comfortable with what hes doing.

by SteelerDomination on Aug 18, 2008 6:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mendy

I hope so…if he can be as advertised it will be a great 1-2 punch…

by SteelerMike on Aug 18, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"His feet ... he has very, very quick feet,"

" …said fullback Carey Davis. "For a bigger guy, you wouldn’t expect that from him. He’s able to get in and out of holes and make cuts that some people may not see. "

That from Jerry Dulac’s article in the Post today, really interesting read:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08233/905529-66.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml

Hmmm, bigger guy, very quick feet, who does that remind you of !?!

“He’s violent running down there,” Arians said.

by herewegosteelers on Aug 20, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A Minnesota Man's opinion of Tomlin...

We had Tomlin in MN for a year and he brought our D from pathetic to respectable with many philosophies on stopping the run, hitting, and playing off the ball to avoid the long play. We had many of the same complaints here. I like the philosophy, but you do have to keep things tight enough and mix it up enough that the opponents can’t easily march down the field with short passing plays.

But that is part of Tomlin’s philosophy and also the Vikings philosophy here. He’d rather an opposing team have to use a custom game plan like dink and dunk when that is outside what then normally do in order to play the Steelers. He wants his team to be able to play the same way every week and force opponents to change their game and play “Steeler Football”.

The Vikings do this to an extreme. They run run run while opponents stack the box. On Defense, the Vikings stack the box while teams pass pass pass. But if your team gets good enough at certain things and plays the same way week in and week out, the execution can become flawless enough that they are virtually unstoppable.

by Sand0 on Aug 20, 2008 6:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

I wonder how Tomlin’s philosophy is jibing with LeBeau’s.

Thanks for posting SandO, and good luck Saturday night.

by herewegosteelers on Aug 20, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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