Help me understand longsnapping please
I fully understand the importance of longsnapping. One bad one causes disaster. But is the skill so hard to learn that one guy needs to do it exclusively? Is the skill so difficult that a backup offensive lineman, whose only job in this world is to be an offensive lineman, couldn't practice and be as good as Warren? If you are going to use a precious roster spot on a unique skill, wouldn't it be better to find some European soccer guy to kick it out of the end zone every time? Does every team have a longsnapper that does nothing else on this planet? At the risk of exposing ignorance, I would think that other people could learn the skill and free up a roster spot, similar to the guy who holds for field goals but does something else primarily. Just a goffy thought for the day.
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long snapping
First let me acknowledge that this is like comparing a Ford Pinto to a Aston Martin, but I was the backup long snapper in high school so I can understand the difficulty of the position. The reason that I was the backup was because no matter how much I practiced at it, I couldn’t get a good snap off consistently. It sounds really easy and you’d think that it’s one of those skills that anyone could master with enough practice but it’s harder than you think to throw a 15 yard spiral between your legs (to the punter) or a 7 yard spiral to a one foot target (on a FG).
Here’s a quick story about the only time that I ever snapped in an actual game. Our regular snapper got hurt somehow and I was going to have to snap on a punt late in the game as our team clung to a slim lead. The coach called a timeout and gathered the punting unit around and laid out the scenario: “Ok guys, Martinez is out so Golden is going to have to snap. Hold your guys a second or two longer just in case.” In the end the snap bounced one time but the punter caught a lucky bounce and got off a solid punt. Thankfully that was the only time I had to long snap and it certainly wasn’t the highlight of my high school football career but it’s made me appreciate the position. (Oh and just for the record, being a backup long snapper wasn’t my only position on the team).
by cgolden on
Aug 26, 2008 8:55 AM EDT
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sure sure
You’re exposed yourself. You have a Greg Warren jersey in your closet as a kid??? It’s ok cgolden.
Legit question mary rose. I’ve wondered the same thing, and it’s one of the reasons I thought Legursky might stick around. Seems awfully inefficient. But, I can see ’golden’s point, in that it’s quite vital. Still, they’re grown men and pros. Surely others could learn the skill.
by Blitzburgh on
Aug 26, 2008 9:00 AM EDT
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Thanks C-Gold
To be clear, I wasn’t ever thinking that longsnapping was easy, I was thinking that it was doable, especially for a man who makes his living on an offensive line. If I am correct in that it is doable, then someone with a primary responsibility elsewhere should be doing it. Catching the longsnap is equally important. You need to reach, spin the seams and place correctly in one fluid motion. That to me seems on par as the snap in terms of practicing, learning and perfecting. Yet, the guy who does that doesn’t JUST do that, thus we save a roster spot.
by maryrose on
Aug 26, 2008 9:38 AM EDT
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Oh yea I wasn’t trying to say that you were downplaying the difficulty, I was just taking the chance to offer my personal experience with the position (I so rarely get to tout my own football prowess err shortcomings). I’ve always wondered why a center who was good at shotgun snaps couldn’t also double as the long snapper. It could have something to do with the long snapper also being a factor on punt coverage. If I remember correctly, the snapper can’t be touched until after snap so he has a chance to get a somewhat free release and a more athletic snapper could be more of an asset on punt coverage than say…Sean Mahan or Justin Hartwig. That’s purely a guess but it could have something to do with it.
by cgolden on
Aug 26, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
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Placement of the laces
The high end NFL specialists have the ability to place the laces in the proper spot (laces up for the punter, toward the goalpost on FG or XP tries) and this greatly reduces the margin of error since the punter or holder does not have to fiddle with the ball while trying to do their assignment. I played against Kendal Gammon while in high school and he was a monster at that level but only went to college at Pittsburgh (ks.) State. He was physically over matched at the pro level but had the uncanny skill of controlling the placement of the laces and became one of the first “specialists” as a long snapper at the NFL level, first with the Steelers and next with the Chiefs. It would be nice to have a position player to long snap as well but this skill must be relatively rare as I am sure the coaches have the same thought and Warren is still here and Gammon before him. With all of the games we have lost in the last decade due to special teams play, the last thing I want to worry about is the snap!
Gammon sold a long snapping instructional video in which he consistently long snapped a football from the opposite free throw line and made 3/4 court shots with the FOOTBALL! Good stuff. I was lucky to get it to the damn QB………oh well.
I wasn't hired for my disposition!
by Burgernazi on
Aug 26, 2008 10:12 AM EDT
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cool
Good thoughts.
Are you serious about that instructional video? Thats crazy. I need to see that. Immediately.
by Blitzburgh on
Aug 26, 2008 10:31 AM EDT
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maybe
I should be a long-snapper. My trump card whenever playing H-O-R-S-E was to snap the basketball between my legs from the 3-point line and swish it home.
by TheMostViolentTeam on
Aug 26, 2008 11:12 AM EDT
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Good question!
I’ve often wondered the same thing, and thanks to all for answering it for Rose and the rest of us, but I have a similar question, and this seems like the place to ask it.
Why are some returners labled punt returners and some kickoff returners, with some not being allowed to do the other. Is it the angle of the approaching ball and some guys just can’t catch a ball flying nearly verticaly at them, or is it something to do with the blocking and contact or tiring a guy out? Is one easier than the other? I know from my experience that I’m not the guy you wanna put back there, but I can scoop up a bouncer after it hits pretty good.
by SCSteeler on
Aug 26, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
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another good question
I’ve never really understood why some a guy can’t just be a ‘returner,’ but for whatever reason very few players can excel at both. Just pull up any year’s stats and look at returning averages and very few guys rank highly in both areas. I don’t know if it’s a different running style or what.
by cgolden on
Aug 26, 2008 1:32 PM EDT
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Kick Return vs. Punt Return
both require speed, however, Punt Return is much more dependent on short-area quickness, have to be able to accelerate VERY quickly. Kick Returners don’t need to accelerate as quickly, as long as their top speed is very high. Quincy Morgan was a solid returner, he probably didn’t have a blinding 40 time, but his top speed was as good as anybodies. Basically, not everyone who is QUICK is FAST, and vice versa. Kick returners also don’t have as much need to be “shifty” as usually you make one cut, whereas punt returners need more agility, and generally very agile guys also have great short-area quickness.
by TheMostViolentTeam on
Aug 26, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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and about Q
i meant to say he was a solid kick returner, but didn’t return punts.
by TheMostViolentTeam on
Aug 26, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
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Thanks!
The speed vs. quickness thing makes total sense – generally the KR has a cushion to speed up into, and the PR has to dodge like hell. Much like the long snapper though, you’d think that someone on a team would be a good combo of both skills and could really specialize, but then we’d probably be looking at another roster spot….it’s getting clearer…..now I need to go back and look at the preseason and see whose been doing what – with knowledge! Thanks again.
by SCSteeler on
Aug 26, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
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some guys
like Hester, Randle El, Dante Hall do. But in alot of cases, guys don’t. The muscles required are pretty different, shifty “quick” guys have crazy hamstrings and quads, to literally bounce around on. Some of the taller, faster, straight-running guys just don’t have that.
by TheMostViolentTeam on
Aug 26, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
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