Pittsburgh Steelers 16, Philadelphia Eagles 10 - Post Game Open Thread
After a nice dinner in Laguna Beach, I was excited to watch the rest of the game I had to put aside at the end of the first quarter on tape. Now that I have, albeit somewhat rapidly, a few thoughts from me that hopefully some of you will jump in on. If you have some good thoughts, and have never left a comment, jump aboard. This is going to be on helluva fun season.
"I thought that the finish to that game was a great experience fro some young men to be in somewhat of a pressure situation and have to deliver," Tomlin said.
*True that. Great point by Mr. Tomlin. Competitors, which is what we want on our football team, not just athletes, want to win regardless of the stakes or situation. It's been said that Michael Jordan would cheat against your grandmother in a game of cards in the name of winning at all costs.
This was but just a small, inconsequential test for some of our younger guys, and we more or less responded in a positive manner. As we have all seen over the course of our football following lives, there's always a time, some time, during a season when you need somebody unheralded and unexpected to step up and deliver in someone else's absence.
* I've come to the conclusion in the past 24 hours - basically since the start of preseason games in earnest for 2008 - that the first couple of series in the first quarter of these games are actually really entertaining. I was thinking that, perhaps coordinators and offensive play callers aren't really interested in 'establishing the run' and what not early in these games, and are instead interested in giving their starters a chance to get some significant work in, with a sense of urgency almost. They are, after all, coming out very soon.
The opening drives of both teams tonight certainly fits my hypothesis. Both the Steelers and the Eagles had very impressive opening sequences on offense.
* Speaking of that first drive...Wow. You know that cliche we've been using all offseason since the draft: 'Big Ben has so many weapons at his disposal now'? Well, that opening sequence was exactly what we've been envisioning. The fact that we got a glimpse of it on our first series had to have gotten every last Steelers fan pumped up about the future of this organization, both in the immediate and the shorter/intermediate term (read 1-3 years).
* I love Hines Ward. Do I need to say anything else? Didn't think so, but I can't help it. He's my favorite Steeler and maybe my favorite athlete ever, in any sport.
I'm glad he caught the first pass of the night. He doesn't need to have 80+ catches and 1,000 yards to have a gigantic impact on our team and season. More often than not, his catches mean more than just the yards they cover. Tonight, it was a momentum setting first down reception, bringing Heinz Field to its first high-decible frenzy of 2008. I'm not sure there's another guy on the team that can get the Heinz faithful as pumped up and ready to believe in their team as Hines. That means something, and you can count on many of the whatever number of catches he has this year, meaning something significant to the tone and trajectory of the game and even season.
From leadership to tough catches in traffic in big situations when Big Ben seems to look to him most often, Hines still has it in him to play at the highest of levels. Baller Supreme.
* Stat of the night, at least for me. The Eagles were 28 of 48 throwing the ball, for a respectable 58% and 239 yards. Not a great yards per attempt, but still, that's a lot of pass attempts. I found it very, very impressive that the Steelers defense limited the Eagles to just 10 points. Sure, the Eagles offense had to deal with two quarterback changes, but Donovan McNabb and AJ Fealy both have playoff experience, and Kevin Kolb is supposedly waiting in the wings to take over Donovan's job when the time's right. Those are good QBs and 48 pass attempts only led to two scoring opportunities. And, it's not like the Iggles turned the ball over a ton either, fumbling just once. At times, it appeared the defense looked underwhelming, but I think the reality is that this is going to be a very stingy defense, that may bend at times, but rarely will break, at least not consistently. Particularly if the offense doesn't handicap them with bad situations, but that's a subject for a different post that I'm working on.
* Mendenhall's got some learning to do, and some jitters to overcome (I think he probably needs to think a bit less out there and trust himself and what he's been taught as a runner). Regardless, all the skills were on display tonight, and I don't think there's a soul out there who doesn't think his star's bright in Pittsburgh. Also, I liked him returning kicks.
* One thing I was disappointed with. After Dixon's pass to Willie Reid to the Eagles 5, we ran the ball unsuccessfully with Gary Russel then settled for a FG at the 2 yard line. Sure, now's the time to work on executing the basics, but might also have been a good way to get your new #2 QB some confidence with a little roll out play there on 2nd down, when the defense was looking run most likely. I know, I know, these games aren't strictly played for winning, but given some of our execution problems in the red zone late in the year, I'm still on alert about that issue as we inch closer to the regular season.
* As I said to our friendly Eagles blogger, Jeremy Bloom is not cut out to be a professional football player. Sorry. Party's over for him.
* Staying with the return man theme, I'm curious to see Travis Williams does next week, if he does in fact get a shot to return some kicks, as Dale Lolley recently suggested. He made a rookie mistake in pass coverage, but clearly he's got a bundle of speed, and some fairly solid instincts in pass coverage as well.
* Eddie Drummond going to be allright?
* Have I gotten this far without mentioning the offensive line? All looked solid, Sean Mahan included, in the opening drive. We'll get another glimpse of the line, with a different set of combinations working with the first and second teams, next week when we travel to Toronto. I will say that there were instances that suggested that we may have some similar problems picking up tough yards between the tackles when it counts, but you never know, stranger things have happened. We'll just have to wait and see how this particular line jels. Also, (fingers crossed) even one injury to a starter can change the entire dynamic of an offensive line. For better or for worse. It's marathon, not a sprint, and there will undoubtedly be many twists and turns in this particular subplot before the days shorten and winter eventually falls upon us.
It's far too small a sample size to make any sort rationale conclusions, but, let's just all be pleased (for now) that we weren't reminded in a big way of the problems that plagued us for so much of last season.
* Unfortunate news about Charlie Batch. We'll see how long he's out, but you better believe, he'll be working hand-in-hand with Dixon on being prepared to play in the event of an injury to Roethlisberger. Let that sink in for a second. One missed assignment on the offensive line, or one twisted knee at the bottom of a pile, and Dennis Dixon is quarterbacking your 2008 Pittsburgh Steelers. That would obviously be cause for serious concern, but I think he showed enough tonight that were the unthinkable to happen, we might be able to survive with our defense, running game, and Dixon's ability to make a guy miss and dump the ball off in the flat while on the run. Fingers crossed and best of luck to Charlie getting healthy!
* You can probably just dismiss that diatribe actually, as the Steelers will more than likely find some old dude off the street to fill in for Batch. Throw a name out there as to who it might be. I personally though would rather go with Dixon, especially if whatever old-timer that was brought in, failed to lead us to victory in his first and/or second attempt. My best bet is one of the 35 QBs stashed away on Jon Gruden's Tampa Bay roster.
* Ryan McBean is playing like a guy who wants to make this team. Just a little consistency now and he can feel good about his chances. Clearly he'd add a nice 'motor' and set of fresh legs to the line.
* Larence Timmons = heat seeking missle. Count on him being on ESPN's lamely executed but entertaining segment, 'Jacked Up' in the near future.
* Mewelde Moore wasn't given much opportunity on offense, but both he and Keyaron Fox in particular, are going to be great. Brilliant pickups for freaking pennies on the dollar by our front office. I won't link here, but if you'e interested and hadn't read before, you can search for my thoughts on the signings when they occurred. Fox just looks like a player, who's going to be ready and capable when called upon. And you better believe he won't leave his gap assignments on special teams. Good stuff.
* I suppose I shouldn't let Moore off the hook so easily. It was his missed assignment on a handoff called for him that led to Charlie Batch's injury. Veterans shouldn't be making that mistake, though we don't know for certain if Batch had any role in the miscommunication. Regardless, I'm sure no-one feels worse than Mewelde, if the mishap was entirely on his shoulders.
* Tony Hills needs work. That's ok. We knew that.
* Preseason or regular season, it's good to see Jeff Reed continue to be money. A 50 yarder is impressive, though I think we should remember the ball carries a smidge better in early August than it does in late fall and winter in Pittsburgh. Great stuff though from Spikey. Isn't it nice not having to bite our nails nervously each time our kicker lines it up?
* Kudos to new P Paul Ernster. Nothing to write home about, but a solid first outing. I'd say he most certainly has a job for a couple more weeks, at the bare minimum.
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I'm going to leave it at that for now. There's more worht mentioning, but many of you have done so in the Open Game Day Thread. Many thanks to syrsteelerfan, BlueGrassSteelerFan, old steady schnifin, acrollet, and a few others for the good time in the comments section.
Allow me to point you to one comment made by schnifin real quick. Basically said the new platform made the live threads so much more fun. I'm hoping more and more of us who aren't able to go to the games, will jump in at times for some fun. Cheers to y'all who provided all the great insights in the thread and if you're looking for some more info on what happened, comb through the comments and there's plenty to be had.
Fill in the blanks for me guys. Or, instead, just mention your reaction or how you felt when we marched on that 8 play, 80 yard TD drive to get things started. I think my reaction, upstairs alone mind you, looked something like this:
HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO.
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haha
I like your spin move celebration! pretty classy.
Brandona
by PrimantisStillersNAt on Aug 9, 2008 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
:)
Thanks. Not kidding either really. I was that stoked and impressed!
by Blitzburgh on Aug 9, 2008 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really…if i had to pick an aspect of the Steelers performance that impressed me the most I’d have to go with the special teams play. Very solid kicking and punting, very sold coverage, and very sold kick/punt returning. Don’t get me wrong, the first string offense was soooo impressive, but I think we all suspected it might be. However, the idea that special teams MIGHT not be a weakness for us (and that’s a big Might) is really exciting.
by BluegrassSteeler on Aug 9, 2008 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I’m going to look back at our preseason ST stats from a year ago if possible. I’m curious if we were solid too. One thing to consider is the other team’s best horses usually aren’t out there, and I may be blowing smoke here, but I’d guess that coaches are more scared of injuries on special teams than on offense or defense. Full-speed, limited vision collisions.
As you can read in my next post, sometime soon, I really think this team can be great if we allow the defense to control the tempo of games. Spceial teams are a MASSIVE part of that though and you’re right, it’d be unbelievalby fantastic if our special teams did a 180 and were a strong suit.
by Blitzburgh on Aug 9, 2008 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re on the same page on a lot of stuff Blitz.
Field position – along with time managment – is going to be key in beating a lot of the explosive offenses the Steelers will face this year. It seems like what we need is a bend but not break defense – since Manning and Brady probably aren’t going to be broken by any defense – that will allow offenses to move up the field, but pay for it in time and energy (our depth at linebacker may be key to this).
Aong with that, a kind of controlled explosiveness on offense will be key – we should be able to burn them for big gains as well as move the chains on the ground: slow, sustained, time-eating drives with the occassional big play. I think we have the talent – provided the lines on both sides hold up and stay healthy – to do this.
The big question is still st, but the performance today gives some hope. This will be a tough year, but i think we just might be up to it.
by BluegrassSteeler on Aug 9, 2008 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man, remember
how much we used to dominate in time of possession? That 2004 year comes to mind. We had crazy TOP, esp in those games where we whomped the Eagles and stopped the Pats unbeaten streak. It would be nice to get back to that again, and I think this offense has that chance, along with that ‘explosiveness’ that Blitz was talking about.
by steelerark on Aug 9, 2008 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this may sound criminal
But I hope our offense doesnt score too easily throughout the season.
Haha, just kidding. Seriously.
You said it though: ‘controlled explosiveness’. If Moore is what I think he can be catching the ball, I think Ben might need to resist the temptation to go for a huge play, when he can keep the chains going, defense on the sidelines, etc with something more safe.
We’ll see. Conjecture baby! Love it. My juices are officially flowing again, even though its just preseason.
Btw, I’ve edited this post a few times. There’s more stuff and some changes, so re-read and look where its obvious I’ve changed if you’d care.
Good stuff all night BlueGrass. Like your views on the game. Plenty for me to learn from ya, so keep showing up.
by Blitzburgh on Aug 9, 2008 1:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holding it down in Philly
So I just moved from New York to Philadelphia, and had the pleasure of watching the boys at the Fox and Hound a Steeler Fan dominated sports bar in the heart of Center City Philadelphia. I would say that the Steeler fans well outnumbered the Eagles fans but the latter were definitely present. It was amusing to watch the back and forth, even during the first pre-season game. The Steeler fans, myself included just just loved that first drive. (what’s not too love?). The Eagle fans seemed annoyed. The guy next to me yelled a giant f-u to Dawkins for blowing the coverage. The woman sitting at the table next to him, assumed that he was a Steeler fan and promptly told him to go f himself. This errupted into a nasty back and forth that had me shaking my head in amusement and disdain.
Needless to say we heard about it when McNabb managed a touchdown. The Eagles fans were confused when it was pointed out to them that they were facing our second string defense.
Anyway, all in all it was a lot of fun to watch the game, although, I would have preferred to watch it next to the computer so I could enjoy the fine scholarship of BTSC.
I have a couple of thoughts and questions:
Dixon did not look very poised or calm out there. Is it me or does he have a very funky delivery? It also seems that he did not have a ton of arm Strength. He seems to move really well, but it wasn’t exactly confidence inspiring to think of hims as our number 2 QB.
Qudos for Sweed for catching everything that was thrown his way, even though Dixon almost killed him on the 3 yard reception up the middle.
I thought Mundy looked really good, although, it was hard to tell how he did in coverage. He seemed to hit hard though.
Tony Hill looked lost. And slow.
Timmons looked like a beast. Is it me, or did he grow big time during the off season. I liked watching him run with the wr. It made me warm and happy.
This is probably a stretch, but I thought Kyle Clement played pretty well. He had a couple of plays were he seemed to get good penetration on his guy. Hard to tell, without seeing the tape.
I could not get a read on Prince or Paxson. McBean seemed to move well. Nick Eason had some nice penetration, seemed to get near the QB a couple of times.
O-line 1st and 2nd string seemed to do a very good job running the ball. Some breakdowns in pass protection, but that seemed to be mostly 3rd string (Tony Hill). The Batch play was a busted play not to mention that Batch wasn’t exactly thinking when he took off like a fullback…..
by SteelerBuddha on Aug 9, 2008 2:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice comments, thanks
Was curious what some of you guys saw/thought about K Clement. Didnt notice much here, but didnt rewind incessantly or look for him particularly, though I meant to.
Anybody got anything on Mundy and the extent of his injury? Leg problems never are good.
As for Dixon delivery. Meh. He’ll likely never be an ALL Pro pocket passer, but I think hes gifted enough to win some games in this league. I was pleased with his performance.
Btw, I miss Philly. Watched a few Steelers games at Fox and Hound myself.
You enjoy Philly Buddha?
by Blitzburgh on Aug 9, 2008 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Philly
I just moved three days ago, so its hard to get a read on it. To be honest, I would have much preferred to end up in the Pacific North West (isn’t that where you landed?) but my girlfriend is in school here. I live in Society Hill, which seems really, really nice – everything is walking/biking distance. My thoughts on Philly so far (in comparison to the other cities I’ve lived in for a long time which are: Pittsburgh, Tel-Aviv, Jerusalem, San Francisco and New York)
1. Terrible anxious drivers, compounded by narrow streets that should NOT have three lanes (and you are talking to a guy who feels very comfortable driving in Manhattan)
2. Very nice people
3. The angriest sports fans I have ever seen in my life.
The Fox and Hound was fun, but I want to find a smaller venue. Its just to big and sterile in there. I like Steeler bars, that are straight up Steeler bars. My favorite is The Barryville Inn in Barryville, New York. Visit if you have a chance. Those guys are gold.
Would love a recommendation for Philly Steeler bars if anyone has one. Or just for Philly in general.
As for Clement, I can’t say I really saw anything, just got the sense that he was getting good push. Would love your thoughts. I agree with you on Dixion, it wasn’t a bad showing for his first time holding the ball, I think we just got spoiled by the combo of Big Ben being backed by Charlie. But you are talking to a guy who became a fan in the Cliff Stoudt era, so how can I complain.
Oh I heard Mundy was a shin injury – nothing too serious…..according to the interview with Tomlin.
by SteelerBuddha on Aug 9, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leftwich
The Post Gazette reported that Brian Leftwich is being flown to Pittsburgh this morning for a physical.
Not sure how I feel about that.
"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"
at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.
by PA ARMY OFFICER on Aug 9, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
QB
I thought Dixon did a good job under alot of pressure. Almost every time he dropped back the pocket was collapsing. Given that he’s an extremely gifted athlete with (dare I say it) Kordell Stewart elusiveness, and only a rookie I wasn’t surprised to see him scrambling. The good thing was that his passes were on target (mostly) and he managed to throw out of bounds to avoid a sack (good decision making). I think he’s going to be a good player as he develops.
As for Leftwich…If he was still a player he would already be in somebody’s camp. I saw Brian St. Pierre playing for Arizona two days ago. With Matt Leinart and Kurt Warner already locked up at number 1 and 2, maybe they can work something out with AZ. Doubtful, but worh a try. He’s familiar with the team and would get a chance to be #2. Considering that he’s never been much more than a #3 its a step up.
by Steev1705 on Aug 9, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i would be
willing to bet that he doesn’t want anything to do with pit, I seem to remember him several times dissatisfied with his position on the depth chart.
by steelerark on Aug 9, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
...seem to remember he got cut and signed and cut and so forth a few times – which really rubbed him the wrong way.
by SCSteeler on Aug 9, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do not
want leftwich anywhere near our team. I’d rather have limparm Pennington than Leftwich.
That first drive was a thing of beauty. And Philly’s defense is no slouch. The line looked great and willie looked completely back to 100%. Its tough to temper your enthusiasm when your team does such a great job against a defense like that.
I think Dixon was just a little nervous. The guy has the skillset to make it in this league, he was awesome in college, and would have been the Heisman barring that injury.
Mundy and Sweed did well, but I couldn’t find Bruce Davis much, anyone else see how well he did? I think we have a good shot at the majority of our draft picks making the team, something that did not happen often in the Cowher years.
Bloom sucks.
The live thread is pretty sweet, last year, my comp was in a different room than the TV, this year i have a laptop(apple of course) so I am looking forward to live game threads.
It felt verrrrrry good to be watching a Steelers game again.
by steelerark on Aug 9, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Davis
He was in on a few plays – someone else commented that he was having trouble turning the corner trying to get to the QB. I saw make a pretty nice tackle and get a mention…
by acrollet on Aug 9, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis Got Feeley's arm
on the last drive. It was a nice effort play on his part. Granted it was against a third string tackle (rookie from Aubrun, I think) but he came all the way around the corner, and got a hand on the ball from behind. Never gave up on the play.
by SteelerBuddha on Aug 9, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis
Was also in a few plays running off at the mouth, nice to see since porter has been gone, i was at the game and caught a few glimpse of him talking smack, Prince also i watched a couple times and he was giving a good effort on few plays and then would not make any kind of penetration.
by 92SteelersFan4Life07 on Aug 9, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bloom
I’m in California and had to watch the game at a bar that was playing Philadelphia’s satellite feed. I had to suffer through their commentators fawning over their team every time they made a tackle (Mendenhall and Sweed tackles). Nonetheless, I was thoroughly enjoying watching my Steelers play.
My observation of Bloom was that he didn’t really have much of an opportunity to showcase himself. Almost every punt he received was either high and short or in the end zone. I’m not a fan of his and could care less if he makes the team but I don’t think he’s had a real chance yet. I’d like to see him return a kick off and then we’ll know what he’s capable of.
by Steev1705 on Aug 9, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunate thing about preseason
...is that you might be right, but that still won’t help him if there are others that had better chances and did something with them. I wonder about this sometimes, in terms of how bubble players get judged with limited exposure, but that’s the way it is. Kind of like a surfing contest in a way – those who get the best waves and do something with them stand out. I dunno. I suppose you have to think that the coaches take all this into consideration, but it must be hard to justify someone who doesn’t have a clip vs someone that does.
by SCSteeler on Aug 9, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bloom
Didn’t he get in at WR in the 4th quarter? I thought he did, and he still didn’t really do anything there either.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 11, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dixon, Davis, Madison Etc
Missed the first half (I’ll catch the replay on NFL Network Sunday morning) but caught the second. I thought Dixon had potential. I think his arm was lacking on the long completion that was called back because of holding on a G to be cut. I don’t think we want to go into the season with Dix as #2 and am actually rooting for Leftwich to be in shape and signed as #2 QB until Batch returns. Leftwich might know something about the Jax offense that will help the Steelers beat them this year.
I was impressed with Bruce Davis. I saw him rattle Feely a couple times and he seemed to be playing with intensity. I also have always liked Anthony Madison. Aside from when 20 was in the game he looked like the best DB on the field in the second half. He is a keeper. Bloom didn’t impress but didn’t have a chance. Punter worries me in a HUGE way.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Aug 9, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
greetings and comments
Hello to some old friends and lots of newcomers to BTSC since I last posted. Cheers to the start of a new season and the pursuit of a sixth SB. It’s certainly within reach.
So much has happened since my last posting prior to the draft that I won’t bore you all with too many comments. I did like the drafting of Dixon. He was one of the top NCAA QBs and is a superior athlete with a good mind. I’m optimistic he will be an excellent backup QB with a special skill set for many years. However, he won’t be ready to contribute much this year. I would be fine with the addition of Leftwich. He’s strong in the pocket, hard to bring down, and is a more accurate passer than his stats would indicate. Jax didn’t have a great receiving corps when he was there and he had to learn on the job as a rookie starter, but in Year 2 and Year 3 he had a combined 30 TDs and 15 Ints. He has few other options at this point and should welcome a backup role. He or someone with similar experience needs to be brought in right away. Batch’s age makes his recovery from injury somewhat problematic and we can’t be unprepared should anything catastrophic happen to Ben, which considering our yet unproven O-line is a distinct possibility. We can deal with an over-abundance of QBs should that day arise.
Thanks to everyone for contributions on training camp and what they’ve seen on the field. Keep up the good work!! Special congrats to Blitz on his move to the PNW. The new site is excellent.
by steeler.lifer on Aug 9, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
whoooooooooa
Holy Shit. I’m really really happy to see you back.
by Blitzburgh on Aug 12, 2008 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
I too am glad to see the Lifer back with us. Missed the wisdom and all the rest. Just another reason to be excited for the season.
by Chicago Steeler on Aug 12, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whos Better C'paper or Leftwitch?I would go with C'paper..
I would say this with no disrespect to Batch who was an able backup for us for last 3/4 years and gave us vital wins in 05 at GB and vs Cle but still Both C’paper and Leftwitch are upgrades over Batch at this stage, who last I saw vs ravens in 07 last game was below average.
C’paper is more atheletic than Leftwitch, who is similar to Batch in terms of movement outsside pocket but Byron does rely heavily on rocket fast throws from pocket with better offensive line protection. Considering OL can be a concern I think we use some help from a QB who can scramble a bit…Advantage C’paper for me. Again whoever comes has to realize that shot at moving to starting is virtually zero unless Ben goes down.
Can we afford to have Dixon as a backup at this year?may be not considering the defenses we are playing. He can learn this year and may be next as well to become a solid backup for Ben when we can cut ties with C’paper.
by Wardthesmartestoffensiveplayer on Aug 9, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
problem is...
Idk that Culpepper’s ego would be welcomed to the team. I take him for the kind of guy who thinks he is entitled to a starting role because of what he has accomplished in past. The NFL is all about “what have you done for me lately?”. Therefore if we would pursue Culpepper, I think he would charge a high price, and after 5-6 games of extremely limited to no time time at all in the games, he would start to complain and raise internal problems with the team. I think Leftwich has accepted he is a #2 in this league and let’s face it, he had absolutly no help at WR with the Jags. He could be more effective with all of our weapons around him. Besides we would be running the ball an awful lot if he was in the game anyways…
I know there are alternatives, this is just my opinion on why Leftwich wouldn’t be a terrible terrible mistake on our part.
By the way, hasn’t Leftwich beaten the Steelers at least once? How crummy can he possibly be?
by iBleedBlack&Gold on Aug 10, 2008 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda disagree
Think Daunte knows that he’ll have to play second fiddle for the rest of his career. Theres a reason he doesnt have a job on August 12th. But I agree with Wardthesmartest, Culpepper is more skilled. I think he’d do a better job ‘managing’ the game and satying out of the spotlight than Leftwich, but thats’ just my 2 cents.
I do however, really believe that Culpepper wou;d not be a locker room distraction at this pt in his career.
by Blitzburgh on Aug 12, 2008 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
saw somebody mention kelley holcomb
on the idea that he and Arians know each other. I thought he was with Minnesota, but he isn’t listed. He could be a decent stop gap.
by SteelerBuddha on Aug 9, 2008 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
New players
The team looked good out there to kick off the ‘08 campaign.
Among the rookies and newer players on the team I thought Mendenhall looked like a stud out there, what an addition to the team he will be if he can produce big time while spelling Parker. The opposition will not want to tackle Mendehall late in games, or try to chase a fresh FWP. If the Steelers can wind out the clock to end games in ‘08 – look out.
Sweed made a couple great grabs, he is a player and looks to be completely healthy. Dixon may be a player too.
Timmons blew my mind defending that pass in the corner of the endzone, as did Mundy with his big hit. Woodley’s starting ‘08 where he left off last year rushing the quarterback with that spin move on his way to drawing a penalty. Fox looked good as well.
I thought Drummond made something happen with his punt return without making me hold my breath fearing a muff. Ernster did well imo including his double duty kickoff into the endzone.
Hopefully Mundy’s leg is okay, you hate to lose Batch for any period of time but love the way we went down – making a play, something out of nothing.
Those are the new players I noticed the most, they look to be huge contributors to our team. I am pumped about this year – schedule notwithstanding.
Here we go Steelers, Here we go
by herewegosteelers on Aug 10, 2008 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rookies show promise
Based on what I’ve seen, it looks to me like pretty much the whole rookie class of 2008 has a chance to stick with the team this year. The least productive rookie was Tony Hills, but fortunately for him the Steelers are short handed at tackle. I’m betting he makes the practice squad because no other team will try to sign him to their active roster.
Bruce Davis, Mike Humpal and Ryan Mundy are all gamers and should contribute on either special teams or the practice squad (I’m betting special teams for all of them). Sweed and Mendenhall are bonafide future stars and will contribute immediately. I’ve got to hand it to GM Kevin Colbert, he didn’t draft strictly for need and went with the best available player. So far I’ve got to say the young talent pool is promising and the future is bright.
by Steev1705 on Aug 10, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Good, The Bad & The Ugy & that's DaTruth
Guys, a breakdown of the game from Datruth Clint Eastwood Style:
The Good:
—The 1st and 2nd team offensive line looked good. Hartwig will start for Mahan the next game, and that competition should be curtains. However, I think something would really smell fishy (as in dead fish) if Starks doesn’t get a chance to start at right tackle this next game for his “wink-wink” competition with W. Colon. Datruth isn’t always right, but he’d bet a six-pack of your favorite Brew that Starks is a better tackle than Colon and that Colon is a better guard than K. Simmons. Any takers?
—Ben is ready to go. Move aside & let the Big Dawg eat!
—Larry Foote, that ticking sound is Lawrence Timmons clicking his heels for the next 10 years at the inside linebacker spot. With Keyaron Fox and Mike Humpal looking like they can play, this position isn’t much of a worry going forward.
—When most of you had tuned out during the game, Datruth was still tuned in to the play of Kyle Clement and J. Reffett. Both pushed the pocket, showed some quickness and made some plays. Somthing I haven’t seen from a backup DL since the Super Bowl year. McBean is athletic, but he doesn’t make plays. Eason can’t hold the point of attack or get off blocks (& he wasn’t blocked on his sack or his pressure). Kirschke is OK in spot duty, but he’s on his last legs. DaTruth thinks its time for Clement & Reffett to enroll in Aaron Smith’s school of how to kick Aaarrrsseee as a DE in a 3-4 & move on from there. Both can make this squad.
The Bad
—How many of you still wanna bad mouth Casey now? DaTruth likes Hoke, but he ain’t no Casey Hampton. That middle was a little soft in there, but it gave K. Fox plenty of chances to introduce himself to the Steelers faithful. Once again, it’s time to get Timmons in the game from the start. This defense needs his playmaking skills.
—The punter looked good on that one kick-off, but too bad that the job description that this time needs filled is a PUNTER and not kick-off specialist. You cannot afford to shank a punt 30-yards in the 4th quarter when you are playing to try to keep a lead. DaTruth doesn’t know anything about Mitch Berger, but if he can be a serviceable NFL punter, he could be cashing Rooney’s checks this year.
—The injury to Mundy was unfortunate. Datruth likes the way he came up to lay some lumber. Let’s hope its not serious. It is time for Carter to be led out to pasture. However, both R. Lewis and T. Williams played well last night. And we all now A. Smith ain’t no free safety.
—Datruth ain’t bashing this year’s 1st round bonus baby (Mendenhall), but he sure looks like he’s turning down some contact some times while G. Russell looks like he’s searching for some, especially on short yardage. If it was Cowher running the competition of who would be his short yardage and goal-line back with this stable, it would be Russell. However, with this coaching staff, it seems they are bending over backwards to give it to Mendenhall, when it is clear that he isn’t ready for it at this point. Which leads Datruth to this:
- Anyone get the feeling that this staff is dealing from the bottom of the deck when it comes to evaluating talent and who should start versus who should sit? Woodley sat last year because he, ahem, didn’t know the D? And yet, Haggans played over him and the next play he made would’ve been his first. Now, fast forward to this year -—Timmons should be playing over Foote this year, Starks should be playing over Colon, Colon should be playing over K. Simmons, Clement and Reffett should see the field before McBean and Eason and any other DL on this team who isn’t a starter or last name is Hoke. Is there really a competition between Deshea and B. McFadden, who looked like he’s playing for a new contract last night.
The Ugly
—Tony Hills is a ways away. The good news for him is that he looked like Starks and Essex at LT in last year’s camp, and both got significant raises this year. Only in America.
— Either Santonio Holmes is a speed demon ready for a big year or B. Dawkins has lost 3 steps since the last time he went to the Pro Bowl. He had it in high gear while Santonio jogged, and B. Dawk couldn’t make up any ground. So sad. Definitely not the B. Dawk of old.
—The Steelers can do a lot worse than B. Leftwich as a backup QB. It could be Dennis Dixon or Potsy or Potts or whomever else that guy from William & Mary is. If C. Batch’s collar bone isn’t healed by the start of the season (and it won’t be), look for the Steelers to place Batch on the PUP list, which will mean he will miss the first 6 games of the season, but it will allow them keep an experience backup like Leftwich for Ben on game day as well as D. Dixon as the third.
—Pardon DaTruth, but is it such a bad thing if this Steelers team is owned by a billionaire who wants this team to win rather than a divided Rooney family that only pays big money for a player coming off his first contract. You can’t argue with the Rooney’s record, but wouldn’t it be nice to have someone in place who won’t blink at writing a big check if the players show they’re worth it? And with this team now, if B. McFadden and M. Smith leave, it will open up two huge holes that won’t be easily plugged in one offseason. Maybe Druckenmiller’s wallet can help lock them up as well as a couple of others. I know, I know, I know. Just saying.
—Not more ugly, but just a coment: Did anyone else notice how this team seemingly committed to the run game yesterday without getting too cute or going to the pass? Let’s hope Tomlin will try to keep this identity. No finesse stuff need apply here. BTSC is hard-core & demands a football team that’ll follow in its footsteps.
B, how’d Datruth do? Be blessed one and all.
by datruth4life on Aug 10, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alot of good points here.
Especially agree with your Druckenmiller being the owner. I want us to have a chance at signing those big free agents or resignings.
by iBleedBlack&Gold on Aug 10, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome stuff as usual, truth
I really like your last comment about committing to the run game – I noticed that too, and it was actually working for us, unlike a lot of last year that looked like:
W. Parker to left for 1 yard
W. Parker straight up for -1 yard
B. Roethlisberger to H. Ward for 9 yards
D. Sepulveda punts 40 yards
Adding Mendenhall and Moore may end up making Arian’s play calling look like genius.
by acrollet on Aug 10, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
Datruth never swings and misses.
We just need to be blessed with his presence more.
More is less though sometimes, and it’s certainly always worth the wait for your commentary.
Def agree about the internal competitions. That worries me too. Bigtime.
INteresting point about Clement and Reffet. Surely one will make the squad at least.
Interesting that you think Batch’s destined for PUP list. If he’s out 1/3 of season, then I’d agree with bringing in one of these high profile, one-time starters. If it’s going to be 2-4 games, I’m a little more torn. Have to wait and see on this one.
More, Datruth!
by Blitzburgh on Aug 12, 2008 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tackle, et al
I’ll take that bet that Colon is a better tackle. The coaches won’t play him with the first team in the preseason. He’s a decent swing tackle, but not a starter. I want him to be good, but the reporters in camp have said on a couple occasions that Colon has looked better. The fishy business is that he was give that much money.
Agreed about Dawkins. He got owned. He either wasn’t trying very hard or has really dropped off. I might be worried if I was an iggles fan. Also agreed about Hampton. The d looked soft, but if he’s in decent shape, he should give them a boost. I don’t think anyone will argue about who is the better pass rusher, though.
by BadMaafala on Aug 10, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A few thoughts
Here are the things that stuck out to me from the game. Some of these will parallel what many of you have already said:
—The first thing I was most interested in was the OL. As I see many have already said, the OL was surprisingly good in this game. I watched Mahan pretty intently, and he seemed to be doing a real good job of holding the center of the pocket. Also, he and the guards (Kemo and Simmons?) worked well together on double teams. Also, later in the game, Hartwig also did a good job of holding the center of the pocket. I don’t remember a single time that either of them allowed the DTs to get a big push up the middle in the QB’s face.
—Second half OL – I have seen a few comments about the pocket collapsing on Dixon in the second half, but I distinctly remember two times that he seemed to be under pressure. Both of those times, I thought that the pocket was actually pretty good, but Dixon dropped way back and then ran around (sort of toward) the pressure. His athleticism allowed him to escape, but I thought he kind of moved into the pressure because he didn’t step up into the pocket. I may have missed something there, though.
—The next thing I wanted to see was our punt and KR coverage. I was hoping to see Humpal, Davis and Fox really show up in this, but I don’t think any of them had any STs tackles. Regardless the coverage seemed solid except for the KR where the returner muffed it, then picked it up and ran to his right for a good 35-40 yard return, IIRC. Other than that, I thought our STs looked good. I also thought Ernster looked pretty good. I must have missed the 30 yard shank in the 4th, but I remember Sepulveda doing that some last year, too, so I don’t know what to make of that.
—I loved seeing Timmons’ speed; he was actually cover a WR stride for stride on more than one occasion, IIRC. And, that tackle that he made where it looked like the player was in the open was great. I wanted to see a little more disruptiveness from him Woodley, but overall, both looked good. From the camp reports, I was hoping to see Woodley get to the QB at at least once or twice.
—Sweed looked great; he caught at least two really tough passes, the one where he had to jump for a 3 yard gain, and the other where he was falling down, but got his body turned around so his back was toward the ground and he caught it with his hands.
—The running game was really impressive for the first team offense. I really liked what I saw from Mendenhall. He made a few people people miss, broke a couple of tackles, and just looked good with the first team.
Overall, it’s hard not to be pleased with this game. Our first team offense scored a TD, our first team defense held their offense to a FG. After giving up the TD, our first team defense really stiffened. Especially, it seemed to me that the second team D did a better job of stopping the run up the middle than the first team D. And, Travis Williams redeemed his earlier mistake by making the game ending pass defence.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 11, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
New member, first post
How’s it goin everyone?
Good observations Blitzburgh. I tend to agree with most of them.
One thing I noticed about Mendenhall. He needs to learn to lower the pads when a hit his coming before anything else or he won’t be playing very long. Had that been against a team like the Ravens during the regular season he would have had his head taken off by Ed Reed. yet I digress, he looked good otherwise. As a few of you have stated already more instinct, less analysis. It was his first game. Let’s cut him some slack.
Limas Sweed looked fearless to me. That’s great! But not need to go up top and fall on your face in the pre-season though… either way, that guy looks solid. As someone already said he had great positioning on some tough catches.
I think Leftwich will be fine as a backup. Remember… backup. He’s better than most backups in the league. Put it this way… we could be the Bears. And yeah he did beat us once or twice. Remember the wonderful display of Tommygun’s (HAHAHA!!! I just remembered that nickname… oh man…) wonderful display of ball handling prowess in the game against Jacksonville in 2005? I do. It was my birthday that weekend. Penn State lost to Michigan in the last second. I went to my first Pens game and they were beaten by Tampa Bay. The next day Maddox made it so that I am now banned by friends from watching sporting events on my Bday (last year the Steelers had a bye that week… thank god).
A side comment on the battle to snap to Ben: If Hartwig seems to be doing at least as good as (and if not better than) Mahan I believe he should get the job. For this reason alone…he’s bigger. In life, as in football, bigger is not always better. This time I say it is. Some of the most toughest/biggest games of the year come against teams with massive nose tackles/Dtackles men. Titans, Chargers, Patriots, Giants. I could be wrong on this, and even mentioning it really means nothing until we see him start Thursday. I’ll still go along with Blitz though, and say that give him a shot.
That’s about it for now.
UP THE IRONS!!!
by TomBradyPaste on Aug 11, 2008 11:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey hey
Welcome! Thanks for the words of encouragement.
Good thoughts as well from you. Heckuva first post.
Haha, funny sh&^ about your birthday and sports by the way.
by Blitzburgh on Aug 12, 2008 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ughhh… most toughest. sorry. My fingers apparently aren’t adept at proper English.
UP THE IRONS!!!
by TomBradyPaste on Aug 11, 2008 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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