Steelers vs. Eagles - Who's Got the Edge?
I don't think there's much doubt that the Steelers defense has played better through two games than the Eagles. And I think a careful analysis of the personnel on both defenses would lend support to the claim that the Steelers defense has better athletes and is a more complete unit than the Eagles. On offense, the picture is not as clear. Let's break it down by position:
Quarterback:
Sheesh. This is actually a tough one right out of the gate. When he's healthy, there's not many better in the league than Donovan McNabb. McNabb, who is undeniably off to a torrid start to 2008, actually had a very respectable 2007. In the 14 games he started last year, the Eagles were 8-6. His TD:INT ratio was nearly 3:1 (19:7), and his yards per attempt, arguably the most important stat, was an even 7.0, one of the better rates of his very productive career. Here's the deal. When you go 4-5 and then 5-5 in the games you start as the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles, you're going to get plenty of criticism. Especially if those records come in the wake of falling short year after year in either the NFC Championship Game or the Super Bowl. Throw in a knee injury and everyone's ready to write him off for good. As Lee Corso might say, 'not so fast.'
At just 31 years of age, McNabb is in that murky area of a career. He's past his physical prime, which Big Ben is entering. But he's not yet a statue or overly fragile. In the case of QBs, the extra years of experience can be a good thing. In other words, McNabb's not done. His knee's just fine for now and so too are the Eagles.
What I am interested in seeing is how McNabb deals with a Steelers defense that is likely to get after him on Sunday. Will Andy Reid help McNabb by calling plays that get the ball out of his hands quickly? If so, will McNabb be accurate? This is going to be a great chess game between Dick LeBeau and Andy Reid. Not sure who to give the edge to here. Over the long haul, I'd take Roethlisberger, but for one game, at Lincoln Financial Field in early fall weather, I'm not so sure. EDGE: Push
Running Backs:
Another tough call. All fans of the game know who Brian Westbrook is and what he brings to the table in terms of versatility. He's a dynamic pass-catching threat, return man, and ball carrier. The Eagles have phased Westbrook out of the return game in 2008, but he's as integral to the team's offensive gameplan as ever. Through two games, he's carried the ball 37 times, caught 8 passes, and his 5 combined TDs have fantasy owners round the country delighted.
With the accolades out of the way, I don't think Mr. Westbrook is going to enjoy the same type of success against this coming Sunday. I expect our CBs to do a tremendous job in run support, and I think we might see Lawrence Timmons spying Westbrook at times. Regardless of how LeBeau plays his hand, I think he'll ultimately keep Westbrook in front of our defense, and rely on our excellent blend of players who take savvy angles to the ball, are sound tacklers (Ryan Clarke, James Farrior) and raw athleticism (Polamalu and Timmons) to slow the little man from Villanova down.
If we can keep Westbrook under 150 combined yards receiving and rushing, I think we'll have done a fantastic job. And conversely, if Willie Parker can have some of the same kind of consistent success that he had in the first two games, our offense should be in fine position to mix in some play-action and other tough to defend wrinkles in the passing game. It should be noted that the Eagles have only surrendered 104 total rushing yards through the first two games, but of course, in their opener, the Rams were behind by so many so quickly, that the running game all but disappeared as an option. And against Dallas, why run if you're Jason Garret, when your offense isn't being slowed down one iota in the passing game? SInce this is not a fantasy draft, I'm going with Parker here. EDGE: Steelers
UPDATE:
Several have already called me out in the comments section for giving FWP and the Steelers the edge here. Totally legitimate qualm, as there may not be a more versatile RB in the league than Westbrook. However, let me direct you to the last time these two teams played. The year was 2004, it was Week 8 I believe, and the Eagles had won 7 straight, including knocking off undefeated New England. McNabb was the QB, Terrell Owens was doing his thing, and the Eagles were essentially at the heighth of their powers. Westbrook's line that day?
6 carries, 17 yards, 0 TDs. 3 receptions, 4 yards, 0 TDs.
New day, new year, new teams. But the infrastructure of both our defense and their offense is largely the same. And on that day, when the Eagles were a well-oiled machine and Brian Westbrook was in his physical prime, we made him a total non-factor.
TIGHT ENDS:
As Jim Wexell pointed out in our most recent interview with him, there just may not be enough plays to get Heath Miller the ball as some might like. But that still doesn't diminish what he brings to the Steelers offense as a run-blocker, decoy, and occassional pass-catching threat. Miller's huge catch late in the 4th quarter against Cleveland all but iced the game for us, and I hope that play was indicative of how Bruce Arians plans to use him moving forward: i.e. in big moments.
LJ Smith is no slouch either for Philly. He's got 6 catches so far and 1 TD. McNabb will often look his way in the redzone, as evidenced by his healthy 13 TD catches over the three year span from 2004-2006. But I don't think he's as complete a player as Miller. And the guys below him on the depth chart aren't as versatile as Matt Spaeth is either. I think we may need to look Miller and Spaeth's way a few more times this week to contend with all the kamikaze blitz looks that Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Johnson. EDGE: Steelers
WIDE RECEIVERS
The Eagles are battling the injury bug at WR early in 2008. Kevin Curtis is scratched from this week's game with a hernia. And his running mate on the other side, Reggie Brown, might make his first appearance in 2008 after posting a commendable 61 catch for 12+ ypa season in 2007. Browns' hamstring injury has opened the door for rookie DeSean Jackson and boy has he ever stormed through it. He has back-to-back 100+ yard games to start his career, with 6 catches in each. His 18 yards per catch are outstanding and exactly the type of big-play threat that McNabb has been looking for all these years.
The question on Sunday will be whether our corners, safetys, and even LBs, can wrap up the pint-sized Jackson in open space. At just 5'9" and with blazing speed, we'll sure be tested. Oh, and he's also average 10+ yards per punt return, including a 60 yarder, so consider special teams on call as well.
Regardless of Jackson's explosiveness, the Steelers collection of WRs outmatches what Philly brings to the table. Hines Ward, despite catching a case of Ike Taylor-itis last week, looks healthy and great. Santonio emerged last week after a quiet week 1, and Nate Washington still looms as a deep threat. The Eagles' secondary had a tough time slowing down Tony Romo & Co. I don't suspect they'll be able to correct everything in time to slow down a Pittsburgh offense that is likely licking its chops to get to work, after the gusting winds and rain limited some of their capacities last week in Cleveland. EDGE: Steelers
OFFENSIVE LINE:
Time to wrap this up, but the edge goes to the Eagles in this department, despite Pittsburgh's very promisng play in the trenches through two games. Shawn Andrews, John Runyan, Jamaal Jackson, Todd Heremans and William Thomas are all mainstays on the line, having all been in Philadelphia for their entire careers. That's continuity. Another week, another chance for the big eaters up front to prove that last year is long over for Pittsburgh. EDGE: Philadelphia
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nice eval
I think what worries me the most is how many screens that the Iggles like to use. Its seems to me that the screen has perennially killed us. I am pleased to say that D. Jakson was my sleeper in fantasy(idiot dropped the ball before he went in the endzone monday, and I lost). I am really looking forward to this matchup, I think it’ll be a blast to watch. I am cautiously optimistic of our chances.
by steelerark on Sep 19, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks
Going to go back and look to see how Westbrook fared against us the last time we played. I know that was the past, but LeBeau’s defense hasnt changed much nor has the Eagles offense.
by Blitzburgh on Sep 19, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
Steelers RB’s better than Eagles? Yikes. Westbrook averages 4.7 ypa on his career, and catches the ball as well as anyone. He had over 2000 yards from scrimage last year. I like FWP, but he’s no Westbrook. He’s older, so he may start declining as FWP is developing more moves, but for this game, I don’t see how you could give us the advantage. Westbrook on Foote is a huge mismatch, and that’s going to happen at some point. The Eagles defense is also very good, holding 3 very good RB’s to 2.7 ypc. They were good last year too. FWP may be able to break a few longer runs, but the holes will not be there consstently.
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by BadMaafala on Sep 19, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Blitzburgh I think Brian Westbrook’s talent alone pushes the RB edge to the Eagles. Nobody doubts FWP’s heart and work ethic,….but he simply is not NEARLY as talented as Westbrook,…whether as a runner, as a catcher, in the open field. And this is from a Steelers fan.
by ismail on Sep 19, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I wanted to make it a push but thought that might be lame after declaring the QB battle a push.
It’s not that I think Parker is more ‘talented’ than Westbrook. I just htink in this matchup, we have the scheme and players to limit some of his usual effectiveness. A healthy Troy Polamalu and Ryan Clark should make a huge difference in this one. Clark can spy and limit the big play. Polamalu can disrupt and wrap him up (hopefully) in the flat.
By day’s end, I think BW will have some numbers, but I think Parker will play a bigger role (fingers crossed).
Fiar points by you guys though. Just my opinion.
by Blitzburgh on Sep 19, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be a homer.
It’s bad journalism to be straight up homer. As an Eagles fan, I recognize Willie Parker’s talent…but come on now, ask other NFL fan who they rather have starting on their team: Westbrook or Parker? Either that you don’t watch a lot of football.
by Joe_D on Sep 20, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with the Illiad and the Odyssey?
The comparison is a hard one to gauge really as the Eagles don’t seem to run all that much – as others have posted – using Westbrook as a receiver a lot of the time. I agree that Westbrook is a better receiver than Willie Parker. If the comparison is between running – well… I don’t know. People always doubt on FWP, but the guy is an engine – just need to get him the space to roll. I’m not saying your guy is subpar or anything, but (and admittedly not knowing the stats) what are Westbrooks yearly yardage stats for the last few years? Yards per carry? I just think the two are used differently. I’d rather have Willie in our offense, and that’s no joke.
by SCSteeler on Sep 20, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with the Maafala on this one
Our D will be game planning for Westbrook all week. Willie’s a good back and getting better, but I don’t think Jim Johnson’s losing sleep over him. He’s probably cooking up ways to peel Big Ben like an onion. For how much work it’ll take to contain him I give the edge to Westbrook.
by Chicago Steeler on Sep 19, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
read the update on the post
That i just added. You still may disagree, but it’s worth considering.
by Blitzburgh on Sep 19, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be a dick but
The Eagles didn’t beat the Patriots that year. We did. We ended their undefeated run. Then we ended the Eagles run.
by zeke5123 on Sep 20, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also think that Westbrook is the better overall back. Give this one to the Eagles.
by Cols714 on Sep 19, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Give some credit to FWP
I know Brian Westbrook is a great player, but fot the type of offense he plays in, he plays more as a reciever than a RB, so I give the push to Willie, he is like water drop over a rock, he will have 5 or 6 or 10 runs for 1 yd. but then he brakes the line and have a 20 or TD run, and if you take in count that the Steelers offense has a lot more weapons to theat the Philly D, well you will see on sunday another 100+ game from Willie. In the other side, Donovan don’t have as many weapons, you easly make Woodley or Polamalu to play man coverage over BW and he will have a very painfull game. If you remember the Steelers do tis last week with Troy and Edwards, and see what Edwards did, nothing.
by simbiom on Sep 19, 2008 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our O-line will push their D-Line
in the run game better than their O-line will push our D-line.
That and as Blitz has said about our playmakers, will give the edge to FWP, but please allow me to go further:
Ike Taylor, McFadden, and Clark are better in run support, tackling, and hitting you in the face than are the corners for Philly. Those guys are more likely to jump a route and take an INT to the house than they are to wrap up FWP or beat his stiff arm. All Steelers defenders can bring down anyone. I’d take that over Ike and his inability to catch a ball.
Edge still FWP, even if Westbrook is more talented.
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by PA ARMY OFFICER on Sep 20, 2008 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ike Taylor, McFadden, and Clark are better in run support, tackling, and hitting you in the face than are the corners for Philly.
What does that prove? If we are trying to compare their running game to ours, the issue is how will our DBs compare to those of the Eagles previous competition – such as Dallas.
by bigmaq on Sep 20, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Willie vs Westbrook
I see a lot of grumbling over the FWP/Westbrook matchup. There is no denying that Brian Westbrook is one of the best running backs in the game in terms of versatility and production. Andy Reid utilizes him perfectly in their offense, creating mismatches and putting him in open space (like Marshall Faulk in St. Louis).
Willie Parker isn’t the receiving threat that Westbrook is but he is a play-maker. Every year he improves and this year he looks better than ever. Keep in mind that we have an offensive line that is lacking in experience. The Eagles have one of the best lines in football.
With all that being said the bottom line is who is going to have a better game. Both teams are excellent at stopping the run so it’s going to be tough sledding at first. Westbrook will probably have more receiving yards than rushing yards while FWP will try to wear on the Philly D to create big plays in the fourth quarter.
Prediction:
Westbrook- (rushing) 15 – 45 – 0 (receiving) 7 – 65 – 1
Parker- (rushing) 25 – 95 – 1 (receiving) 4 – 35 – 0
PUSH
by UNCsteeler on Sep 20, 2008 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lets not forget
that it is running backs, emphasize the plural part. He may have been talking a lot about Willie vs Westbrook but lets not forget about the #2 guys and the Fullbacks. Buckhalter vs Mendenhall is fairly tough but I’d take Mendenhall. Then there’s Davis vs Hunt. Davis can be a threat in the receiving or rushing game to some degree, while Hunt is virtually (as far as I can tell) seldom used, I could be wrong.
Putting all that aside and just battling Westbrook vs Willie can be tough. Personally, I think Willie might be the better runner but Westbrook certainly is overall a better player. But lets not forget, the Eagles have a far better O-line then the Steelers. Take that into account when considering Westbrook’s vs Willie’s numbers.
by shleeve on Sep 20, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
another great observation by a steeler fan!!!
compare mendy and buck? Mendy has ten total carries for 28 yards. How can you say you rather have mendy? you can’t even ask the question!!!
Maybe this year the Eagles have the superior line but I can’t remember years where the Steelers had a bad line.
I just dislike when everyone says “Westbrook isn’t a great pure runner” but he consistently averages 4.7-5.0 ypc year in year out.
I have to disagree big time. I really dont think FWP could hold a candle to Westbrook. The Steelers have a good defense and I don’t see Westbrook tearing it up on the ground. I really think we’re going to try and test the corners and safeties in the vertical game 65% of the time.
by Joe_D on Sep 21, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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