The Sky Is Not Falling In Pittsburgh, But For A Day, The Steelers Offense Was As Bad As It Gets
When was the last time you were embarassed as a Steelers fan? Seriously, try to remember. The Steelers-Raiders game in '06 was pretty awful, as was the second Ravens game in Week 16 of that year, in a game actually that would have put us in the playoffs (assuming we still would have beaten Cincy in Week 17). There's others, obviously, both in recent memory, intermittently in the Cowher years when our offense was painfully one-dimensional and ineffective, and of course during various times in the 1980s, during the final years of the previously pristine and glorious Chuck Noll era.
But what we saw today from our offense was shocking. I believe one of you guys or gals said today that it was like the Eagles had found some secret button on a video game that was unstoppable. So true. Another commentor, Steeler Ric, said:
Yeah our Oline is average at best, and definitely stunk it up today, but they are professionals. The Eagles made us look like a poor college team. I dont recall too many NFL Offenses ever getting dominated like we did today. I’m embarassed.
It got so bad that fellow Steelers fans and I at the neighborhood bar were laughing, almost uncontrollably even, knowing that the next wave of pressure was just a few seconds away from the Eagles defenders. I even remember saying late in the game, when we got the ball back inside the ten yard line again (after the first safety and the score just 12-6), that 'well, another safety would still make it just a one score game.'
For those of you who have read for years, you know that I'm very optimistic, perhaps too much at times, while of course still trying to be analytical and reasonable about what my eyes are seeing. Hell, re-read the comments in the open-thread and you'll notice that I thought we might still have a chance at half time. But by day's end, I was calling for the worst, before it happened, knowing that nothing was changing on this day for the Steelers.
Anyway, enough about that and on to why today was one of the darkest days in Steelers history, as far as I'm concerned. Coaching. First, before I sully your name Mr. Dick LeBeau, you're excused sir from the room. You were amazing, again, today, inspiring your players and finding new and clever ways to confuse McNabb and Andy Reid in the second half, after the Eagles had done what'er they pleased in the air in the first half, even if the scoreboard didn't prove it.
Now, on to the culprits.
I have no idea exactly how offensive line coaches teach their craft, but at this point, I think it's clear that Larry Zeirlein has to go. We may not have the biggest and best horses in the stables, but the sack numbers are out of hand. Sorry. No time at the moment to check the historical presedence of whether OLine coaches have been fired mid-season in the past before, but if so, and if we can get someone in immediately without totally disrupting the flow of the season, then by all means, let's pull the trigger. Enough is enough in his case.
Bruce Arians. I'm actually going to hold off and have a post later today or tomorrow about some thoughts on what might have worked better. For now though, I think it's safe to say that Arians just got embarassed by Jim Johnson today. I will go into this more later, but the put Heath Miller back there to block with a RB thing was a joke. That shit didn't work one lick. Instead, what we needed to do was simply flare a RB into the flat, let Ben dump it over the outside blitzer's head, then let FWP hopefully make a guy miss. Ever seen New Orleans play? Ever seen that Drew Brees doesn't get sacked? Believe me, their O Line isn't THAT much better than ours, yet each week, Brees puts up huge numbers without taking many hits. Why? Because he just dumps it off to Bush when the blitz is on. And because they do that so much, teams can't blitz quite the same! Novel! I know.
For all of you who have been clamoring that we didn't try any screens. WE DID try many screens. Problem is, the screens we run are these chicken shit slow developing WR screens, not simple, easily executable screens to our RBs. Those WR screens towards the middle of the field rarely work. Maybe in a Toledo vs. Fresno State game. But not in the National Football League where defensive lineman can detonate a pocket in 3 seconds or fewer. Just terrible stuff from Bruce today. The worst offensive performance I've maybe ever seen as an NFL fan. Perhaps only a mid 90s Bengals team or a Stoney Case led Ravens team back in 1999. That bad.
That said, it's on Mike Tomlin to make Bruce figure it the f*&k out. Sure, Tomlin's pedigree may be as a defensive guy, but that matters not. Some things are visible to even us, just fans. Surely, as a head coach in the NFL, he can pick up on some things to suggest to his struggling OC. Maybe not in game, but there needs to be some serious time spent this week (a long week, mind you, since we play on MNF next week) between Tomlin and Arians.
We'll get into that subject more, but what about the decision to go for it on 4th and long late in the game, when we needed two scores to win? Not that it mattered, since clearly we weren't going to win this game. But that doesn't absolve a coach from making the practical decision there. You kick the FG, extend, the game, hope the opponent tightens up a bit, then see what transpires. Going for it on 4th and 10 just doesnt; make much sense.
One final thought before sigining off. This too will be a subject for discussion throughout the week (and year, most likely). What I hope we see is simply some changes along the line. Max Starks, grab your helmet. Darnell Stapleton, you ready? Let me be real clear about one thing. If we're willing to burn $7 mil watching Starks ride the pine, why aren't we willing to burn big bucks benching other more highly paid players in favor of younger (potentially more motivated and better) guys. Like, for example, what if we had Starks at T, Essex at T, Stapleton at G, Chris K at G, and Hartwig at C. Or something similar (perhaps Colon at G, Stapleton at C). Point is, we're burning money as is. Why not burn money while trying other combinations? Above all else, I was sick of sticking with what was not working last year for continuity's sake. That's the definiton of insanity, no? Repeating over and over what's not working?
The sky ain't falling. No team looks great each week in this league. The internals looked good through two weeks, so we're not quite in a fixed pattern yet. That's the good news. The bad news is we just got enough evidence to last a lifetime that this team has serious, serious flaws on offense in two very critical areas: the line and the coaching department.
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Z & A
You’re never as good as you look when you are at your best. You are never as bad as you look when you are at your worst. The Steelers looked pretty bad on the offensive line yesterday. They can’t be this bad…can they? Baltimore smells the blood in the water. I fear for Ben’s life next week.
My questioning of Zeirlien and Arians teaching, game planning and talent evaluation last year (and preseason) was met with some real negative feedback on this site. Heck I even resorted to giving Z & A some props the last couple weeks because we beat the Texans and Browns and came away unscathed. Yesterday we faced a real playoff team with a real playoff defense. Where are the Z & A fan club this morning?
I don’t know if they can make a move with the staff now. The time was during the off season. I agree with one of my antagonists (wahoo) that the talent on the O line is thin but I state again that I don’t see the young guys improving. (lack of teaching) I don’t see them protecting Ben any better except when they throw 10 times a game instead of 30. (lack of a viable blocking scheme) I don’t see where Kemo, Colon or Simmons is better than Starks. (talent evaluation) I am really disappointed that Tomlin effectively ended the game a minute early with the 4th and 10 gamble. A lot can happen in 60 seconds.
Tomlin is young and will hopefully learn to extend the game like Shanahan or Belicheat* would. I think at this point in their careers Z & A are developed. They are older guys that should be at the top of their game. I will never forget Arians blowing a HUGE playoff lead with Cleve against the Steelers in 02. I will never forget his play calling last year against NE, Den and Jax. Hope Tomlin see’s what I see and pulls the plug on this 3 ring circus.
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by 5020 on
Sep 22, 2008 9:43 AM EDT
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+100
Spot on brother. Their ship has sailed. No reason to hope for any better. Arians is a bit tougher than Z because of the offensive production (for most part, save a few snafus) and Ben’s development as decision maker.
But Z? No excuse. No improvement. Just regression to absolutely terrifying lows.
by Blitzburgh on
Sep 22, 2008 9:48 AM EDT
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oh
and I was more embarrassed by that Raider game, where we held them under a hundred yards total offense and still managed to lose the game to a team that ended up winning 4 games total. At least this loss was to a team that was very good, small consolation I know, but still. This one comes close though.
by steelerark on
Sep 22, 2008 10:49 AM EDT
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Not to make it worse
But I think they won 2 games.
by Romain El 82 on
Sep 22, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
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I couldn
agree more. I have never been a big fan of Zeirlien, and last night just showed how bad he and Arians can be. I don’t really have anything against Arians, but how do you not adjust??? That was insane. It really was like Madden. A buddy of mine figured out a way to play defense where you literally have zero time to do anything at all, he gets like 20 sacks a game. This was exactly like it. It was terrible to watch and by the end of the game, I just wanted them to stop throwing. I knew that Ben couldn’t survive that game. Ben had absolutely no time to do anything at all. There were even a couple running plays that Ben nearly got killed on, with the Defense almost breaking up the handoff.
by steelerark on
Sep 22, 2008 10:42 AM EDT
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What about this
…so Willie keeps getting stuffed at the line on most runs…keep at it…no matter what. Eventually they stop pass protecting and then you pass.
by SCSteeler on
Sep 22, 2008 11:46 AM EDT
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FULLBACK
Whenever FWP had a fullback in front of him we gained positive yards. Go ahead and watch the game again ( if you can stomach it). It may have only been 3 yards here two yards there, but Ben isn’t getting driven staright to hell by a salivating blitzer.
60 minute men
by I.W.H.F.M.D.95 on
Sep 22, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
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i noticed that too
When Davis was leading the way Parker got some yards, not much mind you but at least he wasn’t caught in the backfield.
by shleeve on
Sep 23, 2008 12:54 AM EDT
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Agree (with comments)
Good post Blitz.
1- The sky isnt falling. Hats off to a great scheme well executed by the damn Eagles.
2- Now, WTF? I agree completely with Blitz on firing Z. I have said it among my circle of fellow Steelers fans for most of last season and continued throughout the off season and up to now. I have little to no use for A either, particularly when he continues to call for down field bombs, just to watch Ben get pummeled waiting for the play to develop.
3- How does our coach (HC included) justify leaving the same 5 criminals (they each stole a game check yesterday) on the field when the opposing team is KILLING our $100M quarterback? At some point, after maybe sack number 5 or 6, you’d think they would go “Hey, Darnell and Max CANT BE ANY WORSE THAN THIS!!!!!!” I actually advocated Ben shooting Kendall in the huddle. I would volunteer to be Ben’s lawyer. My sole piece of evidence would be to show any of the 941 hits he was taking and then my line to the jury would be “Self Defense. Ben had to shoot this one, to get the others to wake up.” Case closed.
4- Did the organization let the Offense ride the same plane back to the ’Burgh? They should have made the Offense ride a single bus (Blue Bird) and let the OFFENSIVE (double meaning) LINE push it up hills.
5- I proudly stood with my fellow Steelers fans as we took much crap during this beat down. I will continue to bleed Black and Gold and cheer for our team, but you can record it hear FOREVER, I will never forgive Z for the beating he let Ben absorb in this game. He is banished to the Neal Odonnell room in the circle of hell. A is up next if he doenst get his s#@t together…
GO STEELERS!!!!
by warftr5 on
Sep 22, 2008 9:50 AM EDT
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ahaha
neil o’donnell….the horrible things i would do to that man……
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on
Sep 22, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
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Big Ben.....
on one play looked like he wanted to throw the ball at the back of the o-lines head (on purpose this time). I would have felt alot better if, after one of the many times he got driven in to the ground, he got up threw his helmet and started cursing every one of those fat slow footed…………..!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, had to calm down a bit. Seriously, they better do something soon, BAL, JAX, NE, TEN, DAL, NYG and I’m sure I’m forgetting some team, but they all blitz and get after QB’s. Poor poor Ben. HOU and CLE aren’t in the same breath defensively with these teams. If this is the best we got I’m kidnapping Faneca to bring him back.
60 minute men
by I.W.H.F.M.D.95 on
Sep 22, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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WTH
was A thinking. How does a professional football oc not know how to call plays to negate the blitz. I mean, your QB is getting murdered, you know they’re gonna blitz. Call a running back screen or a quick pass in the middle. I don’t play football and I know that. Where were Ben’s hot reads, did he not have any because of the plays being called?Horrible, horrible play calling.
Defense played incredible. What a second half by this group. Keep up the good work D. Looks like you may be carrying us this year.
by woody71 on
Sep 22, 2008 10:23 AM EDT
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slow down there
The defense won’t need to carry us. I guarantee that SOMEONE in the Steelers organization will make sure Arians knows what a f*ck nut he was yesterday and show him some game film from OCs that know how to handle blitzes. This will be fixed. I think it might be a blessing in disguise. Wake Bruce up and make him realize he needs a gameplan that he didn’t steal from a 12 year-old kid playing Madden (throw the ball down field! 4th and 10?? F*ck special teams let’s go for it!). If not, maybe Mike will be the badass we all know he is and put Arians in check with a well placed backhand.
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on
Sep 22, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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You might be on to something.
How about Mike Tomlin makes a change to the quarterback position this week in practice? For the first hour send the defense blitzing like mad. During this time Ben can sit on the sidelines and study plays or something. In his place we put in Arians and Z. How do you like your schemes now assholes?
by steelguy99 on
Sep 22, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
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LOVE THAT IDEA, SIMPLY LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!
60 minute men
by I.W.H.F.M.D.95 on
Sep 22, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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Is the arrow pointing up?
Blitz, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you this perturbed on here, but you have good reasons. Zeirlien, Arians & Tomlin got their aarrsss handed to them today by Reid and Jim Johnson. Just a few quick thoughts:
- If Max Starks is the answer, then what is the question? Can you have $7 million on the bench & still look this bad as an OL? They should look at anything and everything to get this fixed, but I don’t think they will do that. They’ll be stubborn and still send that same five out there to get Ben decapitated.
- Bruce Arians has to be about a dumb shh#$$%ttttt. The Eagles got 6 sacks in the 2nd quarter off of the same blitz. The Eagles would blitz a safety off the edge right when the ball was snapped and all the lineman were engaged. If the RB lined up to the left of Ben, he would come from the right and vice versa. In the 3rd Q, he finally started putting Heath in there to help block. That still didn’t do much. More disturbing than getting physically beat is when you are beat schematically as well and you don’t make changes.
- If Ben needs a week off, give it to him. He got pummeled this game. By the way, I give Donovan props for coming back into that game. I knew he was hurt in the first half and that he wouldn’t play all of that game. Our D played a heck of a game against a pretty good offense. The Steelers cannot let B-Mac walk.
- Our O-Line made people like Broderick Bunkley & Jacqua Parker look like M. Strahan and Osi of the giants this past year. They just kicked the Steelers OL behind.
- I wouldn’t be surprised if Big Snack is down a couple of weeks. he definitely pulled his groin at the end. This D can’t take another hit on the D-Line.
- What’s worse, our O-Line getting pummeled our your hopes that this year’s OL and team will be different? Our team could be better but the OL might still be the same.
Thoughts?
by datruth4life on
Sep 22, 2008 10:40 AM EDT
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couldn't agree more man,
The D looked great after the first couple series. Hmm, I guess the DC must have been able to, oh I don’t know, adjust to Philly’s game plan?? Something our offense was unable to do.
by steelerark on
Sep 22, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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lebeau
that’s why he’s a hof’er. one of the greatest d coordinators of all time. let’s hope he lives to be 100 bcuz he still gets shit done both personnel and scheme wise.
by NoCal-SteelCity on
Sep 22, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
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We really need hampton against the jags and ravens. If he’s out though it can’t be helped.
by steelguy99 on
Sep 22, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
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absolutely
I remember going in to the half, I felt GOOD! Ha, don’t I look like an idiot. I told my roommates sitting there (stupid Bears fans, yay for living in Chicago) that Pittsburgh was gonna come back and smoke the Eagles in the second half. Our defense was obviously getting their job done and I reasoned that all it would take is a few simple half-time adjustments to this ridiculous blitz the Eagles kept sending and our offense would make them pay…..ha…..ha……..ha
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on
Sep 22, 2008 12:47 PM EDT
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At least the
#@?!ing Patriots got blown out by the lowly Dolphins. That helped.
by steelerark on
Sep 22, 2008 10:56 AM EDT
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whoooooo
that made me sticky in the pants
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on
Sep 22, 2008 12:48 PM EDT
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Offensive Play Calling
What I don’t understand is why did B.A. continue to pound Willie Parker a 210lb back smack in the middle of the defense and then bring in Carrie Davis a power bavk and run him whyon a outside sweep.If Parker was not going anywhere inside why not utilize his skill which is speed and try running him outside make the defense run lateral back and forth possibly slomewhat tire them and slow down that rush they had
by Babymaker on
Sep 22, 2008 10:57 AM EDT
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Maybe Blitz can compile a list of questions to ask arians, about 100 long, and we can get it sent to his office, and cc tomlin.
by steelguy99 on
Sep 22, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
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!!!!!
Please tell me you’re talking about the run to Davis when we were backed up on our goalline. I remember watching that play develop, seeing some decent outside blocking and room for maneuvering for our ball carrier and getting excited. The second thought that went through my mind was, “Wow…Willie’s runnin pretty slow here.” Immediately followed by my desire for Bruce Arians to die in a fire when I realized that ‘39’ was inexplicably missing from the front of that jersey. !$^$&#%&#*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on
Sep 22, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
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I thought the same
I was screaming at the tv..“willie, what the heck are you doing” when I realized it was Davis. Too bad FWP wasn’t in on that run. Could’ve been pretty.
by woody71 on
Sep 22, 2008 2:15 PM EDT
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Ah come on....
Arians clearly almost had them fooled on that one….see he CAN make adjustments…they just suck too.
by SCSteeler on
Sep 22, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
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great point
I almost left the room when I saw that crap.
by cgolden on
Sep 22, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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1 More Thought On Arians
Serious question for the knowlegable at BTSC. I forgot to post this but it seems indicative of the creativity of the OC. It is why I wonder about him and his staff. The Steelers are getting hammered in the second half. They get the ball at the shadow of their goal inside the 6 yard line. Arians brings in his slowest player (Carey Davis) and runs a slow developing pitch play for 2 yards.
What was he trying to accomplish there aside from spare Ben one more hit? I might be ok with that play if they pitched it to 34 but what was best case scenario there? Two yards…
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by 5020 on
Sep 22, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
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well
I kinda understand what he was doing. FWP was getting now where so he figured it couldn’t hurt to try someone else. And perhaps Davis, being the slowest, wasn’t all that bad cause there is less of a chance that he would get ahead of his blockers.
That being said, however, Mendenhall would have been a better option.
by shleeve on
Sep 23, 2008 12:57 AM EDT
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there's a guy on the team
named reshard mende…something. i believe he was our first round pick this year…23rd overall. anyone heard of this guy? cuz arians apparently hasn’t.
if i were kevin colbert or dan rooney, i would call arians and zierlin into my office this morning, and have them bring their playbooks.
also, since it appears batch’s career is over, and chance the FO is grooming him for some kind of coaching/coordinator position. the guy knows the game of football inside and out and he has been HUGE, detrimental to the development of ben. i would love to see batch retained next year as a part of the coaching staff. hell, i’d love it if the steelers announced today that he was our new o coordinator…he certainly would be an upgrade over the incompetent bruce arians
by NoCal-SteelCity on
Sep 22, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
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oh god
i could not believe that. i was wondering if rashard was hurt/inactive. i wanted to throw the remote at my friend’s tv when he finally got a touch with like 4 minutes left
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on
Sep 22, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
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you played at chabot?
i played (briefly) at sac city. fall ’01/spring ’02 but i was injured the whole season
by NoCal-SteelCity on
Sep 22, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
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small point but
they need to get the plays in faster, it makes it much easier to blitz when you are forced to snap because the play clock is down to 2 or 1. One of the easiest defenses against those blitzes is a hard count but of course you need some time on the play clock for that.
by schnifin on
Sep 22, 2008 1:14 PM EDT
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With any luck.....
Z*******n and A******s will be gone before anyone learns how to spell their names properly. Steelers have some of the best offensive talent in the league at the moment at most positions. There is no excuse other than coaching for the MANIC/DEPRESSIVE nature of the unit, and a debacle like yesterday’s.
The rest of the world seems to be waking up to the fact that Tomlin isn’t the brightest bulb on the tree as well.
by robert ethan on
Sep 22, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
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From JJ Cooper:
“Roethlisberger either got rid of the ball or was dodging his first pass rusher less than three seconds after the snap on 31 of his 37 pass plays. Four of Roethlisberger’s sacks came on plays where the first rusher was on him in less than two seconds.”
Ouch.
by steelguy99 on
Sep 22, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
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Yeah, I saw that too.
Today on the bus I had to listen to two yinzer jackasses talking about how “Big Ben holds onto the ball too long.” Well, Christ, fellas. Do you want him to just hot-potato the snap?
by Desroko on
Sep 22, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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Two good safeties
We all already talked about the great plays by Troy, the interception (WOW) and the backwards tackle, what a warrior. But how about the strip by Brian Dawkins in the second half. That was one hell of an athletic play by a 13yr. vet. As much as it made me sick to my stomach, it was still one hell of a play. Anyone else feel the same?
by woody71 on
Sep 22, 2008 2:27 PM EDT
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that was amazing
It looked like he left his feet with the intent of blowing up Ben then saw the ball and completely changed his intent in mid-air. That’s not only the sign of a guy with a really good football IQ, but also an athlete with great control over his body.
by cgolden on
Sep 22, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
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And watching the Pats-Jets
game last week, I was amazed at how often even Matt Cassel was able to execute a quick-hitting pass to a receiver or a quick screen. Arians favors slow screens and long pass plays, however. Dallas and Philly seemed to be in a competition to see who could throw the ball to their RBs more. I think we may have passed to the RBs twice (and Mendy gained a first down on one of them). No draw plays. Play-action on third down during the two-minute offense. Ugh.
by Desroko on
Sep 22, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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I’m pretty sure we have an RB that is noted for catching the ball out of the backfield…
by steelguy99 on
Sep 22, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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Two, actually.
I hear they, Max Starks, and Limas Sweed have started a bridge club.
by Desroko on
Sep 22, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
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they also play pinochle
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on
Sep 22, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
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we do?
i didn’t see much of that yesterday…
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on
Sep 22, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
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i know
just wanted to celebrate it a little bit. ugh.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on
Sep 22, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
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Sorry, my sarcasm coaches name starts with a Z something. I think I’ll catch on in a few years, at least he won’t give up on me.
by steelguy99 on
Sep 22, 2008 3:51 PM EDT
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it's okay
as long as you show you can let eight of those go by, he’ll still have a job ;)
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on
Sep 22, 2008 3:55 PM EDT
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there is a shortage of skilled offensive linemen, and it’s nfl-wide. A lot of other teams besides the Steelers are dealing with average linemen facing better defensive players. Perhaps you can coach up average players, or find the right chemistry to get them performing as an above average group. You also can get a qb who can help the line by not moving around in the pocket (romo seems to hurt his line by doing this sometimes).
Not enough talent at offensive line isn’t a unique problem here, the draft gave a strong indication that many teams are unhappy with their line and want better players there. The problem, as others have said, is playcalling. The OC needs to have bread and butter plays to neutralize the blitz. Last year’s Pats killed blitzes by throwing the quick slant to Welker. I’ve even seen the lowly Rams with their dismal line throw the quick slant to Holt to beat the blitz.
Perhaps the coaches were lulled into a false belief that the line was fixed after the first two games, and it that regard, it’s good this beatdown happened now, when most of the season is there to fix things. And it is good that Baltimore is up, because it levels urgency on this unit and the team. It’s not enough to put bodies on the field, watch them fail, and then bring tight ends in. Max protect can work, but not as it was setup yesterday.
The final sack count hides what could have been a dozen sacks, and was even more hits on Ben. The league has all these mandates to protect the qb, but it’s really the line’s job, and when they can’t do that, it’s the coaches job to figure out how to protect the qb. Both the line and the coaches failed on Sunday.
by vherub on
Sep 22, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
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Most Violent Thoughts
1) The Defense was incredible, even after Hamp went down. Early in the game we were dropping into coverage and letting the Eagles get completions, then we brought pressure and the Eagles didn’t do ANYTHING after that point. The two teams may have set a record for 3 and out punts in the 2nd half. Woodley, while only had one sack, abused Pro Bowler Jon Runyan on many occasions and forced McNabb to step up in the pocket or throw an incompletion.
2) The Eagles blitzed 7 guys alot because Johnson knew Arians wouldn’t go to any RB screens or dump-offs. Also, the Eagles were called for encroachment on a few occasions and should’ve been called on a bunch of occasions, we let the play clock get so low though that it was easy for them to time our snap. I remember hearing that Arians likes to script his first 30!! plays. That is way to many. 15 is ok, because that is one or two drives, maybe three if they stall somewhat. We had so many 3 & outs that we probably weren’t thru 30 plays by the 2nd half, and also, would explain why we don’t make adjustments from series to series. Yes I believe you should run your stuff and just have your players beat the other guys, but when that isn’t happening, or they aren’t executing like they should, you have to adjust to something else. GRR.
3) I hate losing maybe more than any single person I’ve ever met, I can’t write or talk about this game anymore, I was going to post some Scouts style play breakdowns today but I can’t without feeling like I’ve been stabbed in the stomach while simultaneously being kicked in the balls and having uncooked goat testicles force-fed to me. Plus, I don’t think anyone needs me to break down the 10 or so plays where I saw Kendall Simmons simply tap a pass-rusher on the shoulder and then let him by. I’m not kidding I saw him give someone a shoulder pat and then just stood there. His head was not in that game, I understand he’s having a baby, but jesus christ, Simmons is jeopardizing Ben’s ability to ever have kids with his play. Simmons will be cut at the end of this year, I guarantee it. That’s Stapleton’s job to take.
TMVT is feeling very violent after writing about this game for a few minutes, thus, needs to stop. All that said, I can’t wait to play Baltimore and see how we respond. I want another “Most Violent Team” approach to this game, I want to BURY them in the trenches.
by TheMostViolentTeam on
Sep 22, 2008 5:11 PM EDT
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I’m just about done with the game too. It’s time to see some reaction.
Last thought. I couldn’t believe when the eagles only rushed 3 and Simmons walked away from one of 3 rushers letting him get a hit on Ben. Sweet lord, I understand when they’re sending 6+ it’s damn hard to block but when you’ve only got the one, just do something!
by Chicago Steeler on
Sep 22, 2008 5:45 PM EDT
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point 3)
uncooked? That is rough. Smart move, leave it alone for a couple or three. Then come back to it.
I gotta rant for a minute for ya if I may. No way you leave your QB in that spot. You make the adjustments, especially at halftime, you max protect, and you run the ball. Take it to philthy a bit, doesn’t matter how productive the run game is. You just run it to inflict some pain and slow down the D a bit. Just an old technique used once or twice around these parts with some degree of success. LOL (hey its better than cryin’)
Our D was the best on the field yesterday, let ‘em hold philthy, knock some more people out, pick some more balls, sack McNabb a few more times, etc. When we came out in the second half we went 3 and out: a 5 yd run by Willie, and quick slant dropped y Hines, and three penalties in a row due to the pressure on the o-line caused by our play call – a deep throw. BAD PLAY CALL, just run it on third or dink it, because on philthy’s first play after we punted we picked it. Our ball in philthy territory.
No way do you continue to look downfield and let Ben run for his life out there. No way. Arians could easily loose his job over such numbnut hardheadedness.
How about no huddle, draws, delays, circle routes, swing passes, missdirections, quick dump offs to wide outs in 4 wide sets, quick slants (automatic throw – either caught or incomplete only), direct snap to Mendenhall w/FWP (Ben on the bench for a couple), etc, etc, etc.
ANYTHING to get the ball out of Roethlisberger’s hands and into running backs and receivers in space and let them make some plays and take some hits. Just 1 quick hit slant for 60 and a TD SURE WOULD HAVE SLOWED DOWN THAT PHILTHY RUSH AND FURTHER STRESSED THEIR OFFENSE.
Protection is everyone’s responsibility on O, the coaches, the o-line of course, but also the running backs, TE’s, the QB, and the wideouts. The backs and TE’s need to pick up pressure in concert with the linemen.
On Roethisberger’s fumble (that led to 3 points) Heath Miller actually turned around to see what was going on and lost his man who ultimately sacked Ben and forced the fumble. Come on Heath, how bout you block until your man is on his back or the whistle blows, whichever comes last!?!?! And FWP blew an assignment and let a man come clean when the 0-line had their guys.
The coaches need to o a better job getting everyone working together to handle pressure, including the wideouts breaking underneath across the field – NOT DOWNFIELD. Arians needs to have his head examined not to shorten the passing game to 3 step drops and quick slants and crossing routes that are easier for the QB to pickup and see while under pressure.
3-0 after 1, 10-6 at the half and start of the 4th qtr, these are Steelers scores not philthy blow outs. We had a chance late in the second half in this one to win, believe it or not. And winning IS what this game was all about.
Bottom line: BRUCE ARIANS YOU MUST ADJUST YOUR GAME PLAN TO THE SITUATION AND GIVE YOUR TEAM A CHANCE TO WIN. He did’n’t which is why we lost. Yes, everyone on offense is to responsible for protection, but when it ain’t workin YOU BRUCE ARIANS have to adjust your play calling.
Okay my brain is frying now too. Arghhhhhhh.
by herewegosteelers on
Sep 22, 2008 8:20 PM EDT
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Coaching
I agree with the posts here….the O-line stole paychecks yesterday for that pitiful performance, but I also have to argue that the ultimate blame falls to Tomlin and the coaching staff. I sat there just KNOWING that they’d make the adjustments at halftime and then to sit there in the sports bar watching them do the same thing again and again. The coaching staff needs a good afternoon of electroshock. I got the impression that they were simply confused and didn’t know what to do to stop the pounding. HInes Ward said after the game that the 11 men of the O-line “…weren’t on the same page.”
Coach Tomlin, you and the staff had better figure out how to fix this because you know the Ravens are licking their chops while watching highlights of the game. Every team on our schedule are already brushing up those blitzes. It’s time to step it up.
by steelerfan1 on
Sep 22, 2008 8:20 PM EDT
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hey good timing.
All this being said, Steelers will bounce back from this one. They have to do better with protection and play calling on offense, and they will.
No way the coaches and players can avoid dealing with this. They’ll get it going, learn from it, and get better because of this adversity.
I’m all ready looking forward to Monday night.
by herewegosteelers on
Sep 22, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
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Faneca told you so
Should we have listened to the hot headed A-whole? Was the whiney bastard also right? Was he resisting the new O-Line order for a damn good reason?
I really don’t know much about Faneca and less about Oline play, but I think he might have been stressed about the line falling apart through injury. The decline of Hartings and Smith made him and the line look bad. We dropped Faneca because he is on the decline, but look what we’re left with. Our whole D-line is on the decline by that same philosophy!
—A question from the devil, “So who, out of curiosity, would trade Sweed or next year’s #1 or #2 for something like Faneca’s ‘declining’ ability?”
My own answer is a vague-assed cop out. I don’t know how to swiftly correct these issues. Let’s hope Tomlin doesn’t hold on to the same excuse for long!
by betelgeuse on
Sep 23, 2008 3:10 AM EDT
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I don’t like this fat phuck a little bit. I think his play calling is miserable and at what point do you ABANDON THE RUN AND JUST START PASSING THE STINKEN’ BALL? Arians couldn’t be fired fast enough as far as I am concerned!
Every day brings future to past, every breath leaves me one less to my last. DT
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Sep 23, 2008 8:24 AM EDT
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