Joe Flacco Gets His First Major Test Against The Steelers Next Monday
There's very little one can say about the early play of rookie Delaware QB Joe Flacco other than, 'not bad, kid'. Through two games, Flacco is perfect in the most meaningful of statistical columns: the win column.
When you look at how the offense has performed, however, in the Ravens' first two performances against the Cincinnati Bengals and the Cleveland Browns, you immediately scratch your head and wonder 'how are they 2-0 again?' Duh, it's the economy Browns and Bengals, stupid.
Here are Baltimore's league ranks in the primary three traditional statistical categories: rushing offense (30), passing offense (28), total offense (30)***. While total offense (total yards per game) may be an inefficient number with which to measure a team (because not all yards are created equal, damnit), looking at Baltimore's points per game is even less telling. At 22.5 pts per game, one might initially think that the Ravens offense is doing allright. Not great, but not terrible. But that's including the one INT return for a TD that actually accounts for 6 of their 45 total points, or roughly 13%. And through just two games, the Baltimore defense has created 5 takeaways for their offense. In other words, I suppose, the Ravens offense has taken advantage of the opportunities given to them by their defense, but have yet to really put together many impressive, sustained drives.
(*** Total skewed because of just two games being played by Baltimore. Their rushing yards per game is actually the 2nd best in the league. Passing? Still miserable).
How about how Baltimore's offense as measured by Football Outsiders' metrics. The Raven's Offensive DVOA is the 13th best in the league. So what does that mean? Well, in a nutshell it means they may not be piling up gobs of yards, but they're making the most of what they do accumulate, as well as performing better than can be expected if all teams were to be presented with similar situations.
It's worth noting for example, that Baltimore's sporting the 9th best 3rd Down % in the league. Oh, and wouldn't it be nice if our QB could say he's only been sacked once through two games?
Anyway, as we'll discuss soon enough, it's been all about the defense for Baltimore. They stymied Carson Palmer and his Bengals in Week 1, then frustrated a pressing Derek Anderson led Browns offense in Week 3, after an unexpected early BYE due to tempermental weather in the Gulf Coast that gave them an extra week to prepare and rest up.
Just for fun's sake, let's take a look at Joe Flacco's first two games compared to Ben Roethlisberger's first two.
Ben Roethlisberger:
Week 3 vs. Miami: 12 of 22 (54.5%), 163 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Week 4 vs. Cincinnati: 17 of 25 (68%), 174 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
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Odlly similar, really. Ben was able to throw one fewer interception than Flacco in his first two starts, but other than that, not much difference. That's not to try to prove anything, or to say Joe Flacco will be as good as Ben Roethlisberger. Simply that like 2004 in Pittsburgh, the Ravens in 2008 have been getting stready enough QB play out of their 1st round rookie to allow their defense to win them football games.
For us, that might be bad news. We may need to rely on a few turnovers to counteract what should be a ferocious and constantly blitzing Ravens defense. If Joe Flacco is able to protect the football in Heinz Field during his first Monday Night Football appearance, we may be in for a dog fight. Something tells me though that we'll confuse the rookie Blue Hen.
What do you think?
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An interesting comparison...
…and similar to my thoughts in my recent blogs as well. I see a lot of Big Ben in Flacco. Both have the size and come from what might have been considered lesser competitive college backgrounds. Both were “forced” into starting gigs due to injuries in their rookie seasons. Both had decent offensive lines to protect them and strong ground games so as not to have to win each game with his arm. Finally, both had great defenses to create turnovers and make it easier to put points on the board via the short field.
While I don’t expect Flacco to lead us to 15 wins like Roethlisberger did, it is looking much better than originally expected for my Ravens.
Rexx
by Rexx on Sep 25, 2008 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea
We’ll see how he handles adversity this week. Not going to be easy for him. Have yall played both ure games at home, Rexx?
by Blitzburgh on Sep 25, 2008 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
This game will tell us a lot more about our rookie QB. A lot of doubter’s have pointed to the fact that we played both games at home against two teams whose combined record is 0-6. At the same time, you guys have two wins, although one on the road, against two teams whose combined record is 0-5. Pretty even I say. You guys definitely have the advantage and will be favored and picked by everybody. However, that’s why they play the games. It could very easily go either way.
Rexx
by Rexx on Sep 25, 2008 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The ravens will still have a good record with a loss. The steelers will still have a decent one. These are the two teams left in the division though, and whoever loses is going to have a tough season.
by steelguy99 on Sep 25, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Fin Ravens
Man, I was really hoping the Browns would be our main competition for the division. I was looking forward to the easy glide to the finish line. Frickin Ravens.
If I were the Ravens, I’d tell Flacco to throw at Ike Taylor. This game could be really low scoring, so turnovers and especially defensive TD’s could determine the game. The left side of our secondary already has 5 picks on the year, and Woodey even has one over there. Taylor, on the other hand, can’t catch anything. If I were the Ravens, I’d keep the ball on the ground and go at him when I had to pass.
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by BadMaafala on Sep 25, 2008 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i am worried about
this game, but honestly, I have been worried about the Ravens all offseason. Great article and just so that you know, if we do lose the game, I will blame the economy.
by steelerark on Sep 25, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and by extension
I will blame Republicans and Sarah Palin.
by TheMostViolentTeam on Sep 25, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by extension
I will blame alaska which is close to Russia so the blame will then fall on russia. Russia use to be our enemy so that links them to the axis of evil. Iraq was a member of the axis of Evil and Saddam use to rule it…….therefore, my association, I will blame this game (should we lose) on Saddam Hussein
If we win, then God wills it..
by shleeve on Sep 26, 2008 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ravens D is Tough
but the Steelers D is better. Expect to see Flacco on his Backo, alot!

by buckthefrowns on Sep 25, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly their O-line and ours are not on similar levels.
by steelguy99 on Sep 25, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true.
Our O-line is playing at a very high level. They are very well-coached. However, Big Ben is way better at making plays under pressure.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
by BAL_Hawk on Sep 26, 2008 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, saying the Ravens are 30th in rushing offense
28th in passing offense and 30th in total offense is downright criminal. I have no idea where you even get these numbers.
We’ve played in one fewer game than 30 other teams in the NFL that’s 33% fewer yardage opportunities.
We’ve been rushing for 190 yards per game, which is good for second in the NFL.
We’ve been passing for 125.5 yards per game, which is 30th in the NFL (So I have literally no idea where the 28th number came from)
We’ve been putting up 315.5 yards of offense per game, which is 19th in the NFL.
One of the reasons the passing has been so low is simply there hasn’t been much of a need for it. Flacco was passing early, but in the beginning of the third quarter we got a big lead and were moving the ball on the ground well enough there was no point in asking him to pass.
Incidentally, one of Flacco’s interceptions was not his fault. It was on a bizarre flea flicker play which put him 20 yards behind the LOS and included only one receiver running a route. It’s pretty clear Flacco knew he had to make the throw and see what happens, which is exactly what he did. It was one of the strangest plays I’ve ever seen, but in the end was a glorified punt and I hope they never try that crap again.
This is a huge game given that there are essentially two competing teams in this division.
by math_geek on Sep 25, 2008 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was going to point that out.
The Ravens are 2nd in rushing offense. They have been pounding the ball since they’ve been ahead in both games. They haven’t had to pass yet.
by BAL_Hawk on Sep 25, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those numbers are a bit disingenuous, both Blitzes and math_geeks. 190 yards per game may be good for second in the NFL, but YPC is 4.2 (18th). The steelers YPC in running is 3.7 (24th). On an interesting note, the ravens yards per play is 4.5 which is equivalent to the steelers. Our numbers do involve a game where we were completely dominated though. If you took our first two games vs. the ravens two games I think our numbers would be pretty good.
We wanted to believe that the steelers would have a great offense but that hasn’t been proven. Basically, at this point both teams have okay offenses that will be dealing with great defenses. We’ll have to see how that plays out, I don’t have the statistics for it…
by steelguy99 on Sep 25, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I wasn't trying to argue that the Ravens had the second rushing attack in the NFL
(although it is a very good rushing attack).
In general Yards/Game is not a good measure of offenses, I was just posting the actual statistics for the categories above.
We wanted to believe that the steelers would have a great offense but that hasn’t been proven. Basically, at this point both teams have okay offenses that will be dealing with great defenses. We’ll have to see how that plays out, I don’t have the statistics for it…
Low-scoring game much?
by math_geek on Sep 25, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only stat that matters...
…other than wins and losses, is points allowed. Where you rank as far as running or passig=ng is only a factor of what the score is. Back in ‘99, when the Rams were the top team in theleague, they ranked #1 against the run. However, since they always had the lead, everyone had to pass against them to try to play catch up and therefore, the so-called great run stats. Look at points allowed, guys, as the onyl defensive stat that matter and even though we’ve played two pretty poor team, we only gave up 10 points a game. Even the Giants gave up 23 to the Bengals.
Rexx
by Rexx on Sep 25, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, we gave up 15 to the eagles, 6 to the browns, and if you watched the game, 3 to the texans. If you guys only want to talk about the ravens with other ravens fans I think there’s a blog for that somewhere…
by steelguy99 on Sep 25, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No question...
…that the Steelers defense is very good. You also have a decent offense, although the offensive line is now a big question mark. However, the Ravens are known for one thing and that is smash mouth defense. Your offense wins games for your team. Our defense wins games for our team. While both defenses are among the best in the league, the Ravens is much more widely known as a “game changing” defense. With your big nose tackle out, the gap is growing.
Rexx
by Rexx on Sep 27, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t you think that your defense is “game changing” due to the weakness of the offense? If over the years since your team’s creation you had a better ofense then perhaps the defense would not have stood out so much. The Steelers (usually) have a great defense and a decent to great offense – so in juxtaposition the two balance each other out.
by SCSteeler on Sep 27, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great word!
“Juxtaposition” is a great word and used correctly, makes a great point as well. The Ravens defense has carried the team for years, even to a Super Bowl title eight seasons ago. Once again, it appears they will carry the team as well, and who knows where it will lead us? I guess we’ll get a good idea come tomorrow night.
I CAN’T WAIT!!!
Rexx
by Rexx on Sep 28, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Confusing Flacco...
…will be the key to the game for the Steelers. I think that the Raven’s O-line will be able to get a better push than the Steeler’s line. This obviously equates to better protection for Flacco and a better running game.
Again, the game basically boils down to Flacco. If he can manage the game, I think that the Ravens have a chance to win.
by BAL_Hawk on Sep 25, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As Ben would say, “sometimes people forget that the other guys get paid to play too.”
IF ben can manage the game, it doesn’t even matter what flacco does. Last week he tried managing from the ground, that didn’t work too well.
by steelguy99 on Sep 25, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How has your new LT played?
With Hampton out, I would think the running game advantage goes to the Ravens, but we have 2 very capable OLB’s who could challenge your tackles, especially your young LT.
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by BadMaafala on Sep 26, 2008 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true.
That is a matchup that I’m looking forward too. I have been very impressed with our tackles so far, but they have been playing very bad defenses. I’m sure that the Steelers will test them.
Not that this means much, but LT Jared Gaither did go up against OLB John Abraham (the NFL’s current sack leader) in the preseason. He held Abraham without a sack.
by BAL_Hawk on Sep 26, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
B-Mac a starter for rest of the year, Tomlin says
Guys, Tomlin said today that Bryant McFadden will remain the starter at LCB even though Deshea will play on Monday. Now, we just have to get Timmons starting and possibly M. Starks and the Steelers will be vying for a ring again (at least I hope so).
Thoughts?
by datruth4life on Sep 25, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
B-Mac is putting up an outstanding 5.1 yards per attempt (according to KC Joyner), Ike on the other side is at a mediocre 8.5 (again, according to Joyner). Ike hasn’t seem to have been thrown on a ton the past two weeks, so this may just be the Houston game hurting him, I’m not sure. McFadden has earned it, what will be tough to swallow is if he keeps it up there will be no way we can afford to keep him. Typically we do keep our young good players but if he goes unrestricted that will be next to impossible. I’m fine with the rotation Foote & Timmons have been using, but definitely want Starks over Colon.
by TheMostViolentTeam on Sep 25, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
earned it indeed
And it’s worth remembering that Deshea’s a veteran. So that had to be considered by Tomlin, and he still came out on the right side on this decision, I think we all agree. Like you said truth, time for him to do the same elsewhere.
by Blitzburgh on Sep 25, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hot dog
I was expected him to get benched. Good move by Tomlin. I still can’t believe it took this long. McFadden’s lucky Townsend got hurt and that he played lights out when he got the chance.
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by BadMaafala on Sep 26, 2008 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of hotdogging
Anyone remeber seeing An Smith talk shit during the eagles game? I forget the context, but I could have swornd remembering him doing just that despite the assbeating we were beeing handed.
by Blitzburgh on Sep 26, 2008 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
flacco
I know the Ravens defense has been playing great and their running game has been very effective but as the stats above show Flacco has yet to throw a touchdown pass. Assuming our defense continues to play as well as they have been against the run I feel as if we should be able to force him into some mistakes and keep them out of the endzone. Then again thats assuming our OL will actually block someone so that the pass rush doesn’t lead to turnovers and good field position for the Ravens. I think if we can do that we should be alright…but after last week I suppose that is a big if.
by steelersfan4life on Sep 25, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Flacco will struggle
I think the Steeler defense is going to confuse the rookie. Historically rookie QB’s don’t do well against the Steeler defense and I don’t expect that to change Monday night. I think the game will end up being close do to our offensive line issues and the fact that they will be looking to strip the ball from Rashard Mendenhall all night.
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by rondogg on Sep 25, 2008 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More stats
Breaking down the ravens defensive statistics more:
The ravens have played against the Bengals and the browns. The bengals are rated 30th in offense by total yards and 13.3 pts/game, the browns are ranked 32nd at 8.7 pts/game. (these totals include penalties which the stats below do not). That needs to be deconstructed a bit more though to find out how the ravens did, because those numbers include the ravens defense against those defense which was pretty stout.
In Cincy’s second game they played the titans and got 215 yards total and just 7 points. In game 3 they scored 347 total yards and 23 points. The average of the two non-ravens games is somewhere around 260 yards and 15 points, so the ravens did very well against them.
The browns first game gained them 205 yards and 10 points, and against the steelers 208 yards and 6 points. The ravens gave them 273 and 10 points.
Basically it’s hard to say where the ravens stand. Clearly their D is good but I don’t know that it is as good as it seems given that the teams that they have played have failed to garner significant yardage elsewhere (besides the bengals v. giants, a notable exception). When you take a look at pittsburgh’s 2nd ranked defense, it’s against a much more offensively stout (when ranked) texans and the eagles. The texans rank 25th in offense and the eagles rank 6th in total offense. The texans took the titans for 317 yards vs. the 210 we allowed in the 4th quarter (I kid!). I won’t even bore anyone with the eagles insane totals.
I think it’s safe to say that based on quality of opposition the pittsburgh D is in a better place (without injuries). We really needed game 2 to take place for the ravens so we could how that worked out.
by steelguy99 on Sep 26, 2008 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Eagles are a very good team, but...
…don’t forget you guys lost to them. Your two wins are pretty much the same as our two wins, so any negative comments must be shared. If we lose a close game to you in your crib, then it’s pretty much a wash as far as an even comparison. However, if we win Monday night, then we’re way up on top. On the other hand, if you guys blow us out like you did last year, then I guess, the more we change, the more things stay the same.
Rexx
by Rexx on Sep 27, 2008 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whichever team wins is in the driver’s seat for the division and the playoffs. We’re at home and coming off an embarrassment last week, the Steelers will be up big time for this one.
Division game, 2 stout defenses, should be a classic.
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