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Talking Offensive Line with Dagger from Post Game Heroes

Allow me to introduce Dagger, one of several who runs the excellent football blog Post Game Heroes. Though I must confess that I do not read nearly as much excellent work being written around the internet by guys like Dagger, I do distinctly remember an excellent post he made early last season, when it became evident that our kickoff coverage units were susceptible to breakdowns. More specifically, Dagger had some simple but clever and accurate diagrams of Ricardo Colclough's failure to stay in his lane.

Anyway, he typically devotes time after each game on the play of the offensive line, so I thought I'd send him a few questions about our offensive line, now that the final 53 has been set. Note: The final question was sent to Dagger before the news of the Mahan trade, but alas, did not make its way back to me until shortly after the news broke. Nevertheless, thanks to Dagger for taking the time.

 

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1) Why don't you start by telling us a little bit about your site and what you guys over at PostGame Heroes have been up to the past couple of years. I know that you are well versed in all things Pittsburgh Steelers, but your site is not limited to Steelers content exclusively. What else can readers expect to see at your site both during the offseason and during games?

PGH: PostGameHeroes.com is basically a group of close friends that decided that we wanted to add something new to the blogging game. There are a handful of us, and we all have different roles and specialties. We felt that there was a certain aspect of pre- and post-game coverage that was being neglected on the internet. We like to think we are somewhere in between the hardcore stats sites like footballousiders.com and traditional blogs and message boards that are more opinion based. We try to fill the void left by the traditional mainstream media/newspaper sites that (due to structural, time, and "space" issues) can't begin to tackle some of the things we get into when we start getting deep into our X's and O's Offensive Line Breakdowns, or Frame-by-Frame's features.

2) I mentioned it in my brief intro but I'll say it again: Dagger does great work when it comes to breaking down the play of the offensive line in a way that is both sophisticated yet accessible. So, can you give us your take on what you've seen out of Justin Hartwig this preseason and what we can expect from him in 2008? Are there any specifics you can provide as to why just a marginal improvement at the center position might have a domino effect on the play of the rest of the line, particularly the two guards?

PGH: Some numbers to chew on real quick…..In 2007, the Steelers were 28th in the NFL in rushing yards gained up the middle and 19th in the NFL in converting short-yardage runs. A Hall of Fame Center he isn't, but Justin Hartwig is going to do wonders for the Steelers offensive line. We have talked about it at length on our site here and here. I think Sean Mahan's lack of push in short-yardage situations, his inability to hold  or spearhead the point of attack, his shortcomings in pass protection, and his issues dealing with big DT/NTs was the biggest problem on the line last year.

Insert Hartwig into the lineup and no longer will you see our starting center pushed into the backfield on every other snap. No longer will short-yardage and goalline play-calling be dictated by Mahan's inability to move the man in front of him. No longer will you see our two guards Kendall Simmons and Chris Kemoeatu helping the Center on almost every offensive play. Teams were keying on this last year and were blitzing up the middle like crazy….trying to exploit the fact that we often had 2 or 3 interior linemen tied up with one or two big, space eating DTs because Mahan couldn't do his job on his own. Hartwig solidifies the center of our line and his presence will have a domino effect on the other guys.

If Marvel Smith is healthy, I'll go out on a limb and say that you won't see a real noticeable difference between 2008 Kemoeatu and 2007 Faneca at LG, and Hartwig will hold down the middle of the line. The right side of our OL with Simmons and Colon will obviously be the big question mark all year long and might hold the key to our season.

3) Kendall Simmons. What happened a year ago in your estimation? Can he reclaim some of the old form that led the Rooneys and Kevin Colbert to open up their checkbooks just several short years ago?

PGH: In the weeks leading up to the 2002 draft, Kendall was proclaimed the #1 G in the entire draft. He got early playing time for the Steelers, looked good for the first few years, hasn't missed many games over his career outside of the 2004 season, but his performance has been noticeably slipping of late. With a 4 year $6 mil per year contract in his back pocket, Simmons isn't going anywhere, so get used to him as a mainstay at RG.  Starting LG Chris Kemoeatu actually pushed Simmons to the sideline for 2 games in 2006 but Simmons quickly won his job back and hasn't given it up since then. 

Personally, I think Simmons has been subpar for the last 2 years and the "camp battles" between him and Kemoeatu have been for show.  Simmons' job was never on the line last year in camp, just like Willie Colon's job was never on the line at RT this offseason. It's a shame, because I think that the Steelers could possibly work out a few better OL combinations if they were to tinker with the line more during training camp.  Mahan has all the tools necessary to be a decent Guard, but he's an awful Center.  Why not let him get some work at RG?  Willie Colon was drafted as a Guard and during the draft was said to have "the perfect Guard's body".  Why not move Colon to RG and insert Starks into the lineup at RT?  What about giving Essex a shot?  I think I'm not the only one that gets frustrated watching guys that underperform continue to nail down starting spots without competition.

Having said that, Kendall Simmons will be your starting Guard all season long, so get used to it.  With Sean Mahan now riding the pine, Simmons (it's between him and Colon) is the worst Lineman in the starting lineup. Remember, the Steelers gave up 53 sacks last year and by our count at PGH, he was responsible for anywhere between 10-12 of those sacks. That is an extremely high number for a guard, who is not facing edge rushers or "sackmasters" like a Left Tackle or Right Tackle is. He also struggled in "close-quarters-combat" against large DLinemen. Steeler Nation is stuck with him for the next few years, so hopefully he can find his game again or the right side of our line is going to get Roethlisberger killed.

4) You think there's any legs to the story that the team may be looking to deal one of their offensive lineman? The names that have come up are Essex and Mahan I believe. Can you tell us what kind of value offensive linemen of that caliber might get in return if there was a trade?

PGH: I don't see any moves coming but, the Steelers are believed to be looking to add another TE, young DL, or maybe even a veteran CB before they open up vs Houston week 1. In order for a move of any magnitude to take place they need to open up some cap space, and getting Starks/Mahan/Essex off the books would be a nice start. Having said that, nobody in their right mind is going to bite at Starks and his $7 million dollar contract. I actually think Starks is a solid Tackle, so if not for the contract albatross around his neck, there would be a decent market for him out there. Mahan and Essex would make decent depth acquisitions for another team and the going rate for non-starters these days on the OL is a 5th or 6th round draft choice. A few days ago, the Cowboys acquired a depth guard from Denver for a 5th, and last year, the Redskins acquired starting G Pete Kendall for a 4th. I don't see the Steelers making any trades, but I'm not against the idea.

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I think all of us hear the frustration sounded off in the answer to #3. I never heard any reports of them shifting positions (mahan→guard, colon→guard) in training camp. I’ve never heard of anyone bringing it up with the coaches in a chat or at a press conference. We know the coaches aren’t oblivious, they must have thought about some changes.

Giving the coaches the benefit of the doubt, what I’d really like to know is…why wasn’t Mahan or Colon tried at guard? Why didn’t they try Starks and Colon or Essex and Colon? I’m sure no one here has the answers and everyone wants them. And again, going with the benefit of the doubt, I’m sure the coaches have answers. So what the hell are they?

BTW, pgh is a hell of a site.

by steelguy99 on Sep 3, 2008 2:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PGH is a really good site

They’re frame by frame breakdowns are really good and I make it a point to check their offensive line grades each week. They’re also really man-crushing on Chris K and I certainly hope that they’re right on his ability.

by cgolden on Sep 3, 2008 9:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This Analysis

cements my belief that Zierlein is in over his head.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 3, 2008 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see how you can back that up. What evidence do you have that this goes back to the coach and isn’t the result of sub-par play?

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 3, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blind trust

After 1 preseason game he said the line was set other than center. After a performance like last year I think a coach should be willing to shake things up in the preseason. Max was a good starter for us at least for one year. And he’s got a huge price tag. Simmons under-performed. Are we sure that Stapleton/Mahan/Colon aren’t better options? No because they never had a chance to prove it one way or the other. While it is entirely possible that in practice it became obvious it wouldn’t work, practice is not live games. I would have loved to see the starters switch up the first 2 preseason games to see what combo worked best.

Lot’s of eggs. One basket.

by Chicago Steeler on Sep 3, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Evidence

is above wahoo! Read PGH. Don’t you see it?
1) Why do you pay 7 million to Starks (who started on the XL team) and give him no shot to start? He really appears a better player and in better shape to me than Colon. Coaches call.
2) Why was Simmons (who is said to be weakest link by PGH above) not challenged in preseason by anyone? Colon and Mahan (a starting G with TB) were given no shot at the weak links job? Coaches call.
3) Last year the Steelers were 28th in rush yards up the middle and 19th on short yardage runs. Line coach has some responsibility for that don’t you think?
4) As Chi Steeler so eloquently states “lots of eggs and one basket.”

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 3, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. See my post below. What a player does should affect his pay, for certain, but affecting your game-day lineup based on player salary is the worst kind of wrong. Put the best players on the field. Max Starks is not one of them.

2. Should Simmons have been challenged? Yes. Zierlein’s call? None of us here know if it was his or Tomlin’s or Colbert’s or whomever. But when it comes to evaluating players, I’ll defer to the people who get paid to do so.

3. Coaches coach. They don’t play. Their responsibility ends when the play clock starts. If there was no push up the middle, maybe we needed a new center. Lo-and-behold, we have a new center. I don’t see your point here.

4. Non sequiter, and not relevant to the discussion. But what would you have them do, run a first-team A and a first-team B line and see which is better? After a certain amount of time in the preseason, you need to pick the 5 best guys and go with them. Do you know when our lines have been the best, over the last 15 years? The years after all 5 players are on the line for a whole season together. You can’t buy that kind of communication. You need to build it through play. Probably the single area of the game where playing in the preseason matters most. You need to build trust and nonverbal communication, and that doesn’t come in a book.

Aside from some of the issues in the Simmons discussion in PGH’s original piece, regarding the sham camp battles, I don’t see anything that indicts Coach Z as a bad line coach. He’s been in place for one year. It was a bad year, for sure, but you can’t pin it squarely on him. I doubt our scheme has changed, since our plays haven’t done more than take one more step towards pass. So what’s the problem then? Shitty linemen. We need a right tackle. We need a right guard. We need a center to prove himself worthy, and pretty soon, we’ll need a new left tackle, because Marvel is just about dead. Do we really need a new coach too?

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 3, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zierlein

is in his 50’s. He should already be a good coach. See Russ Grimm.
I respect your opinion on Z. I suppose you like Arians too? I am a fan of Tomlin but not of his OC or Line Coach. Difference of opinion wahoo. That’s what makes America great!
God Bless America and The Pittsburgh Steelers!

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 3, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not even defending the man. I’m just saying that you’ve got thin-to-no evidence that points him out as the flaw. We need better players, plain and simple.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 3, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You Are Johnny Cochran!

You are definitely defending the man! Look at our back and forth? Are you not reading what you are writing? I have stated several reasons why I don’t like Z. My opinions aren’t thin. They are my opinions. Am I not entitled? Isn’t that what a blog site is about? You should show a little more acceptance to other views.
I agree we need better players but what shred of evidence do you have to support the fact that Z is a good coach? He was lost in Cleveland for years and now he is lost in Pittsburgh. Players play but coaches put them in position to succeed. We were the best short yardage team in football in 04/05 under Grimm and now we are 19th? Coach has NO responsibility for that? It’s ALL the players? Bettis just ran over people with no blocking? Hartings was HOF? Our line is currently putrid. Other than Hartings it is the same players that won XL. The difference is the coaches lost the C and benched the RT. Thin huh? thin like Casey Hampton. Hope they give Benny some time this year.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 3, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I want is evidence, my friend. I haven’t called you out because of your opinion. And never did I say you weren’t entitled to it. You can read that for yourself. All I’m saying is that you don’t have evidence to support your claim. Zero proof.

How many lineman remain since 04/05? Marvel Smith, who is now over 30 and has chronic back problems. Kendall Simmons who has declined consistently since 05. Max Staks wasn’t a starter until 05, and was NEVER as good as you’re giving him credit for. Do you think that has something to do with the decreasing effectiveness of our line? Hartings was HoF caliber, Faneca will probably be one of the few modern lineman who DO actually make it into the Hall and they were coached by a guy who is ALREADY in the Hall.

If you don’t think losing those guys has everything to do with the situation we find ourselves in today, I’m sorry but you’re just wrong. Russ Grimm is not going to come walking through that door. Jeff Hartings is not going to come walking through that door.

And need i remind you, Bill Belichick had a losing record in Cleveland, just like every other loser to roll through there, so a poor performance for that team has little to do with winning and losing elsewhere.

And by the way, I don’t have to accept your views. You have absolutely every right to share with us, but if you don’t want to be challenged, don’t go spouting off without clear evidence to back yourself up. To wit, you have not provided any.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 3, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no proof in your opinion.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 3, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS

Faneca was a great player but he was here last year as we were 19th in short yardage. Maybe something to do with teh blocking schemes?
Hartings was All Pro but will not sniff the HOF except with a visitors pass.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 3, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Were you not around for any of the discussion about Faneca holding back the rest of the guys on the line? Undermining Coach Z’s schemes and play calls?

Have you looked at the schemes? Do you know for a fact that they were wrong?

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 3, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I’m actually missing from you is a discussion about what schemes were called that were failed, or what the coach actually could have done, in a tangible way, to make Sean Mahan not need help from both sides, playing out of position as a C.

What could Larry Zierlein have done to fix that?

What could Coach Z have done to make Kendall Simmons go back to being his 2003 self?

What could Coach Z have done to make Max Starks not suck?

Spouting off about schemes that you don’t want to talk about does not point the finger at the coach.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 3, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

quit being a freaking internet bully and blow hard. I don’t want to fight with you. I am truly sorry that I wrote one line above about my belief that “Zeirlien is over his head.” It is what I believe. I am sorry my evidence is inadequate for you Mr. Lombardi. My one line has incited you to call me out repeatedly. Why do you not attack any of the others on this site that do not like Zierlein? You have now succeeded in making an enemy of 50. From now on any opinion you present better be backed by truck loads of evidence since you seem to demand that of me.

You on the other hand deny defending Coach Z and have not put forth one stitch of evidence (thin or not) backing up your assessment of Z. Hypocrite! Crawl back under your rock and go have some chowder and “get off of my cloud”

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 3, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am terribly sorry I asked you to back up your nonsense. You don’t have to worry about me asking again, I swear.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 3, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But thats the problem with the line, they only get better together. You need as much time as possible with all 5 guys taking all the snaps to get the communication right. Mahan stinks, and that should be obvious. Starks got beat (repeatedly, badly) in pass protection in 05/06, hence the demotion. Pass protection of course being the area where we need to get better, not worse. Colon could have been worked out at guard, sure, I’ll grant you that one, and I believe that if the coaches think that Stapleton was more than a backup, they would have let him audition. Personally, I’ve never seen the man run a single play, so I can’t say.

Do not conflate Max Startks’ price tag with whether he should start or not. The money is spent. Its gone. We need to put the best 5 players on the line, and he is (definitely!) not one of them. If there is a problem with that, talk to Colbert and the Rooneys, but I don’t see them telling Tomlin where to play his players, just like he doesn’t tell them how much to pay.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 3, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Starks played great in 05. Steelers won the SB. 06 was an off year for everyone. They were all out partying too long after their SB win. Ben was horrible after the accident throwing pick after pick and holding the ball. Starks has great attitude last year taking his demotion like a man and not complaining. Team player. The Steelers will lose Starks after this year and he will be a starting T somewhere else. Write it down.

Stapleton was an undrafted FA last year (like FWP) who got hurt during the second preseason game but kept his spot because in those games he was knocking people around. In his second preseason he made the team as a backup C/G and allowed them to ditch Mahan. The fact that he is not starting is because of his youth and lack of experience not lack of heart and talent.

Agree with you that the cohesiveness of the line will get better as they play together. I just don’t think after watching Zierein at Cleveland and now Pittsburgh that he is in the same class as Russ Grimm. The article above cements my belief. It’s all good that you have a different opinion and I hope Coach Z is the HOF coach you seem to think he can be. Remember the guy is already into his 50’s and should be a great coach already.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 3, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Starks was easily the worst player on that line in 05. Because the line did well does not mean he did well. He still got beat over a dozen times for sacks, he has no counter for a bull rush, and is incredibly lost on inside moves. That we will lose him this year is a plus, not a minus.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 3, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Just mentioning his name anymore puts me to ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Sorry about that! Its going to take nothing short of a Lombardi Trophy for me to give coach ( ) an “atta boy.” He can’t evaluate talent. He’s stubborn. He can’t make adjustments. He can’t even properly send an email. Thats my short list.

by steelersrock08 on Sep 3, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, all of that is valid criticism.

And I never wanted to praise him, I just don’t believe that the blame for the line is his. You can’t teach a dog to fly, and you can’t teach shitty linemen to block.

Ok, maybe Russ could have, but he’s gone now.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 3, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could have

if you acknowledge that Russ could have, that means that coaches can impact this. And maybe Z should too? I think 50 and I have offered some valid points that you’re ignoring. Just cause Max wasn’t awesome (and by the way you haven’t offered any ‘proof’ that he sucks) doesn’t mean he might not be better than Colon at tackle. When Smith was out last year and Starks started at LT he played really well. Better than Smith (who’s back was bothering him I get that). He showed enough there to merit starting consideration. I agree, I don’t give a hoot who’s making more money, they should start the best 5. But you have to give players an opportunity to show that they’re better than their competition.

When you have a weak spot you look to improve. I’m glad they ditched Mahan, that’s a good call. But they had two other big weak spots in Colon and Simmons. Neither was challenged for their jobs. That to me is poor management-aka coaching. That’s part of a coaches job. To evaluate the talent available. What 50 and I are saying that the there seemed to be no evaluation process. Z and Tomlin came in with their minds set.

if that’s not enough ‘proof’ then I don’t know how to discuss things on a blog. We’re not coaches, we’re not all-access press, we just look at situations with what we know. With what we know I think Coach Z has done a poor job. Best I can do.

by Chicago Steeler on Sep 3, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mahalo!

You sir are a stud. Peace be with you and Go Steelers!

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 3, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Wahoo

I don’t know why everybody is piling on you – I think you made the best point in this whole, silly argument: Russ Grimm is not going to come walking through that door!

It is incredibly hard for the average fan to properly evaluate offensive line play – that is why I applaud the work Dagger and the boys at PGH are doing – it is incredibly easy to blame the coach. Maybe Z sucks; maybe Grimm is God. I think neither is likely.

If you ask my opinion, which of course nobody has and it seems a little hazardous to do so with this much anger and emotion flying around, the weakness our offensive line is proportional to the growth in talent at our skill positions. Look at out last five first-round drafts: RB, LB (not particularly relavent to this discusion), WR, TE, QB. You can’t have it all, all of the time. Clearly the key to all of this is the pick 5 years ago. Once we had a known talent a QB, it became plausible to win games by getting the ball into the hand of skilled players at skill positions – a methodology which is currently rewarded by the current NFL, provided you have a talented QB and we do.

We can wax poetic about the good ole’ days when men were men; they wore mustaches, looked you in the eye and said: “We are going to run the ball down your throats. You know it; I know it; the whole world knows it, including grown men who get their panties in a bunch arguing about the relative merits of OL coaches,” but those days have gone they way of the insurance-sales-man-qua-QB (Touchdown Tommy Maddox). Like it or not , that’s the way it is, and we will live and die by our weakest link (the offensive line).

And maybe by the end of the season I too will call for Z’s head – he is not exculpable. But let’s be fair: he wasn’t given much more than some tin cans and string to build with and it didn’t help that a holier-than-thou Alan Faneca was undermining his authority all of last year. (It also didn’t help that he sent pornographic email to the Commish either, but that doesn’t make him a bad coach, and certainly doesn’t count as evidence to that effect).

Now before everybody gets all nostalgic about the way things used to be, I offer one analogy: Back in the Steel Curtain glory days, the Steelers ran a “you know it; I know it…4-3 defense” that just overpowered the opposition. It wasn’t until later that the 3-4, that we all know and love, was installed, and it was even much later that the zone-blitz (ie blitzburgh) defense came into effect. We eventually became content and cofident in that paradigm shift; I hope/expect that we can all eventual become equally satisfied with the shift in offensive mentality.

BTW, I still contend that super bowl XL was the direct result of cashing in on our smash-mouth-football mentality earned through years of repetition. It was a classic bait and switch; everybody expected us to come out pounding the football and we did exactly the opposite. We don’t win, let alone even smell Detroit, if we 1) played smash-mouth-football, or 2) came out throwning the ball when/while everyone expected us to. Just my opinion – feel free to wail on me if you feel so inclined – being a Steeler fan in Baltimore I’ve learned to take my lumps.

by Rougue_Behaviorist on Sep 3, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually stole that line

from a Rick Pitino rant about the Boston media and the Celtics around the turn of the Millenium

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_11_224/ai_60498918

But it applies. I wholeheartedly agree about the bait-and-switch in the run up to XL. Maybe we could have beat Denver the old fashioned way, but certainly not Indy. It took seven consecutive miracles for us to even win that game, even though we were dominant at times.

I’m afraid of getting too fancy on the line. If we start zone blocking (not saying we have, but if you change too much, we might), that will be the end of the power run game, and that, like strong linebackers, is what Steelers Football means to me.

Thanks for having my back.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 3, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

your joking right

z did not send porn to the rog

by 86_STRONGER_THAN_STEEL on Sep 4, 2008 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07143/788231-66.stm

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 4, 2008 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

big thanks to Dagger and the boys a PGH – great work. While you and your team construct veritable smart-bomb-arguments out of stats and video, we savages still beat each other over the head with emotional sticks and petty stones.

“Forgive them; they know not what they do”

by Rougue_Behaviorist on Sep 3, 2008 4:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ben remaining upright more this year?

So Dagger, if I read your post right, do I understand that I can expect to see Ben laid out on the turf less often this year? If C is stronger and can do his job, and other linemen aren’t covering for him, they can do their own jobs (except maybe SImmons, as outlined above) and keep those bloodthirsty savages off our quarterback? Do I read you right, or do I oversimplify?

Great post. Definitely will pay a visit over to PGH.

by DistrictSteelerFan on Sep 3, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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