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Steelers Awaken In 2nd Half Against Ravens, Hold Off Rivals Late

I'm way too tired to thouroughly address all the myriad developments of this game right now (some fantastic, others unfortunate, and others still, frustrating). For now, I'll just throw out a few things to start, then we'll systematically get to it all this week and next. Because as I think we'll see, we've got some substantial roster decisions to make moving forward. Before we get to it, a quick shout out to all who joined me during the game. Our 1300+ comments covered the full gamut of emotions from low low lows to jubilant highs. It was entertaining to to read and navigate throughthem all while we watched an ugly, but emotionally rewarding sporting contest. That was fun and just another reason why we all collectively are able to make BTSC the most interactive, social, and diverse Steelers haven on the web. Cheers.

* Injuries: With Willie Parker already out, the Steelers entered the game with Rashard Mendenhall, Carey Davis and Mewelde Moore on the depth chart at RB. By game's end, just Moore remained unscated. In fact, Mendenhall (fractured shoulder) and G Kendall Simmons (Achilles) are gone for the year. That's right. No typo if you missed the game. Our #1 pick is gone for the year. On an even more somber note, our thoughts and prayers go out to ST ace Andre Frazier, who was carted off the field on the very first play of the game, the opening kickoff. I don't think this is career or life threatening, but I have yet to read any report on Frazier's status. Fill us in if/when you see something.

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* Much, much more on this to come, but the Steelers gave up just three sacks to the Ravens. That's not a figure you'd necessarily brag about, as of course, three a game would lead to an unimpressive 48 sack season. But all three sacks came in the first half when we were doing many of the same things that led to disaster last week in Philadelphia.  However, even though I was as disappointed as anybody about the first half, it really wasn't entirely a protection problem by our offensive line. JUST like last week, it was partly Ben's fault, partly the WRs, partly Arians' (ok, fine, mostly his fault) and partly our line's fault. We actually did look much improved in the first half. That said...

* Bruce Arians figured it out, at least partially, just in the nick of time. The decision to go to the no-huddle brought instant dividends for our offense, and though the Ravens were able to flush Big Ben on plenty of snaps in the second half, it was evident that they weren't able to just tee off like they were in the first half. Now don't get me wrong, it's head scratching and impossible to understand why it took us a half to mix things up, but better late than never I suppose. Again, this is something we'll go into more this week, but wasn't it great to see us utilize Mewelde Moore in the passing game when we absolutely had to have yards? It seemed like all of our passing plays in the second half were designed to be more quick hitting.  In addition to keeping Big Ben in one piece, it also allows guys like Santonio Holmes to make things happen in the open field. 

* Before anybody thinks that we've busted out the annointing oil, as Bill Parcells once famously said, let's be clear that not all has been fixed. The first half our offense turned in following what happened in Philly was inexcusable and as bad to witness as the most gruesome of train wrecks. At halftime, I actually though to myself, 'this is boring. I'm not at all entertained and I tuned into this game largely for entertainment purposes'. Or at least my thoughts were something along those lines. The gist was that we were playing so bad, and showing so little signs of being able to identify and correct the problem that I felt I might be flushing away three hours of my time for the second week in the row.  Finally, It should be noted though that Roethlisberger was able to elude several would-be sacks in the second half, something he's had less success at this year than last. If he doesn't escape a defender's grasp in one or two of those situations, we may be singing a different tune here.

* Did any of you guys catch Mike Tomlin's celebratory reaction to Jeff Reed's game-winner? You think that man's not doing his damndest to try to win football games for the Rooneys and Steelers fans far and wide? Plenty left to learn as a coach? Yes. Doubts about his desire to be great and help lead this organization to another championship? Absolutely not.

* While we're on the subject of Tomlin, and you can file this one under the 'second-guess' category, but I don't think I liked the decision to kick the FG from the 2 yard line with a four point lead. Apparently I'm in the minority here, as the MNF broadcast crew made it seem as if it were a no-brainer. Of course, the Ravens did get the TD to tie it after our FG, and that TD would have theoretically given them the lead had we gone for it on 4th and goal from the 2, but I'm not sure at all that they embark oin a 98 yard scoring drive if we failed to punch it in. We'll never know, but I think I'm become convinced that this team is going to have to take some opportunistic chances on offense if they're to win close games against the league's better teams.

* However, the decision would never had to have been made if we fared better in the red zone. I didn't like the middle runs to Mewelde Moore on 2nd and 3rd downs. We haven't been in the red zone much lately the past two weeks so perhaps we just need more practice :)

* And one final thing on Tomlin. For all the perpetual haters, who will never warm up to the man, what can I say? Sucks to be you, I guess. Because he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

* Let me just throw out the disclaimer now that we're not going to go into the defense's play extensively in this post. Things will just get too long. That said, it'd be criminal to not at least throw the names James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley out there for congratulations. 4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 1 defensive TD between the two of them. Both were indefatigable monsters all night long. Our defense was pretty darn good last year with Clark Haggans in Woodley's place. Swap those two and you're already improving upon an already very good unit.

* Those two get the headlines but what a job by our defensive line tonight. Aaron Smith, perhaps the most irreplacable player on our D, anchored it all, but even though we went with just 5 DL this week (Smith, Eason, Kirschke, Hoke, and Roye?), we more than held our own. We gave up a few more rushing yards than we're accustomed to when Casey Hampton's in there, but considering how much and how succesfully Baltimore runs the ball, I think we did a fine job limiting the Ravens to just 103 yards on the ground.

* Anybody else not clinging to their seat when we're covering kicks in special teams like last year? I don't think we win if our special teams were as sloppy as they were last year. Ravens KR Yamon Figurs is no joke, yet we kept him under 24 yards per return on kickoffs and less than 2 yards per punt return. Not bad, huh?

* Somewhere in one of our game threads, I casually and half-jokingly stated that Roethlisberger should just QB sneak it for 3 yards or so if teams are going to continue blitzing like that. That's kinda sad and pathetic, and I made the comment somewhat out of jest because of how poorly things were going. But lo and behold, Big Ben did just that in the second half. And yes, it did only pick up a handful of yards. But you know what? Those yards told me that perhaps in fact we were actually going to try something....ANYTHING...new to get things on track offensively. There should be no ego and pride involved in this. Just constant, unrelenting tinkering and experimenting with new ways to keep teams off balanced in an effort to curb their pass rush. If Arians won't do it, then hopefully Roethlisberger will at the line of scrimmage or in his no-huddle package.

* Following our preseason game against the Bills, in which I thought I observed Ben looking comfortable throwing to Mewelde Moore, I wrote:

4) Big Ben and Santonio are really clicking. Another impressive TD connection between the two of them. I also noticed that Ben and Mewelde Moore seem to have a good rapport on the field. Roethlisberger gave him an enthused high-five when Moore helped keep a scoring drive alive with a tough run after the catch on 3rd and long. I think Ben is going to become very comfortable checking down to him in the future.

I guess I still think that. I just now hope that Bruce Arians realizes that he has a viable pass-catching threat in the backfield to utilize. This guy isn't going to be the answer for us as a ball-carrier, but he still should be one of our more valuable offensive weapons moving forward in my opinion. Think about it. We don't throw to the tight end very much, and we have trouble running consistently against stout defenses. What does that leave you with? Hoping Santonio Holmes and HInes Ward, and to a lesser extent Nate Washington, shred a defense all by themselves? Not likely whatsoever, especially when plays have to materialize quickly due to the lack of sustained pass protection. So, instead, we need to deploy another option in our passing game - either quick stuff to Heath Miller (like maybe just a short curl or stop route to Heath instead of all these drag and crossing patterns) or more dumpoffs and/or screens to Moore.

Lots of folks deserve credit for this great win, but Mewelde Moore is near or at the top of the list. The stats don't tell the whole story. He even did a great job in pass protection, taking on guys 100 pounds heavier than him simply because he had no other choice - we were down to our last RB. Major, major props to him for protecting the ball, making plays, and doing whatever it took to help this offense do -just- enough to squeak by.

* Bryant McFadden better be inking that extension soon. It's really becoming a treat to watch him play football.

* Goodness, Jeff Reed's so automatic. There's nothing else to write about him. The guy just wakes up, (usually) puts his pants on one leg at a time, goes to work, and makes FGs. Rinse, repeat.  We have to deal with plenty of peaks and valleys cheering for the team the past couple of years. Think about if we had to live with the highs and lows associated with inconsistent FG kicking in big moments.

* Darnell Stapleton, baby! Welcome to the starting lineup! It's tough for me to be overly joyous because Kendall Simmoons suffered a serious injury that's tough to come back from. We may not appreciate the finer points of Simmons' play the past two years, but he's a draftee of ours, a good family man and teamate, and he just had a serious bump in the road of his career. Simmons is going to have to make the decision to rehab 110% and come back better than ever, or he'll essentially fall off the radar, at least as a Pittsburgh Steeler. Sometimes setbacks can lead poeple to really push themselves to unchartered heighths. Best of luck to Mr. Simmons in his recovery. 

Anyway, this isn't Simmons anymore. He isn't coming back this year (he's on IR and out for the season) so let's instead keep the focus on 2nd year man Darnell Stapleton, who I wrote about just Friday, asking why we didn't put him in just to see what might happen. I had no idea his extensive playing time Monday would be the result of an injury, but once inserted, the Steelers proceeded to yield no more sacks.  It would be disingenous to say the running game suddenly started to click, but I think we can all agree that the offense had better flow in the second half and that started with more stable play along the line. It should be noted that we went to the no-huddle in the second half when Stapleton was playing. What's that mean? He's familiar with the ins and outs of our various offensive packages, that's what, and that we won't have to alter our game plan one bit to account for his inexperience with the system. 

All eyes will be on him this coming week against Jacksonville. Like we've said before, you never know how one minor change can alter everything. It's not likely this will be the case with Stapleton in the lineup, but it's a possibility, and for that reason alone, we can be excited.

That's it for now. What an exhausting game to watch. From the frustratoin laden first half to the exuberance at the end, that was one of the reasons it's fun to follow the NFL. The game and your team will knock you down, kick you in the mouth, then pick you back up triumphantly just when you think things couldn't get any worse. A rare treat for us fans, even if it was ugly.

Bottom line? 3-1. 1st place, AFC North.

GO Steelers.

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Frazier OK!

Andre Frazier is fine. The tests came back neg. and he was walking on his own.

Thanks to Blitz and everyone for being here during the game. I felt like I was watching the game with 100+ Steeler friends.

by woody71 on Sep 30, 2008 8:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A few observations

The Steelers D is solid. We have the 2nd highest sack total in the NFL, tied with the Titans and behind Philly (thanks the 9 sack-fest against our offense).

D should get BETTER with a healthy Diesel and Snack.

The game was basically taken out of Arian’s hands after the half. The play where they ran a QB sneak was an audible by Ben in the no huddle. The Ravens were lining up with a bunch 3 wide of the line to confuse the O-Line blocking call. They had been doing that all night and BB would just drop back and get a free rusher from his blind side. After he ran that sneak, you see that the Ravens did not go back to that alignment. THIS IS SOMETHING ARIANS SHOULD HAVE CALLED IN THE FIRST HALF.

I am not a fan of Arians. We have lost our identity under his play calling.

I guess it is just a matter of habit, but I STILL hold my breath on kick-offs and punts :(

AND finally, WHERE ARE YOU B’MORE????

by vin2k on Sep 30, 2008 9:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

D looked good but...

I am worried about giving up some long pass plays on third down. Hopefully that won’t come back to bite us in Dec. and Jan.

by woody71 on Sep 30, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arians is the biggest problem

I know the offensive line struggles, but the playcalling does NOTHING to help them out. How do you slow down a pass-rush?? This is football 101:

1) invite the rush and throw screens or run a few draws – ONE screen in the past two weeks (mendenhall at the END of the philly game, which technically wasn’t a screen)

2) run quick-hitting routes such as bubble screens, quick slants, and 3-5 yard hitches, this way the defense is out of position and you let your playmakers…. MAKE PLAYS!!. – The TD pass was a slant to Santonio, but Arians wasn’t calling the plays anymore.

I hate the Patriots as much as any Steeler fan, but imagine if the Patriots (with Brady) were playing the Eagles last week. What would have happened? Kevin Faulk and Wes Welker would have had career days catching quick passes and bubble screens and running with the ball, and the Eagles would have had to adjust.

3) GO NO-HUDDLE and confuse and tire out the D. – this worked, but it was Ben’s idea, not Arians’

So I ask the question… What is Bruce Arians doing to help the team win games?

Play-action passes intended to get santonio deep? Intermediate and deep routes on ALL pass plays?

Some want to argue that the receivers should read the blitz and run their hot routes to help Ben. This is true, but only to a certain point. Why continue to call pass plays that are designed to get the ball deep when a team is obviously pinning its ears back and blitzing?

Sorry Bruce, you’re game plan is not going to work in the NFL, and neither should you

by FireAriansNow on Sep 30, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im with you

Very poor play calling on offense, totally different in our defense

by rhinomike on Sep 30, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

You stole my idea for my new website name with your online identity.

Maybe my new website will have to be MercilesslyMockandthenFireAriansandZierlien.com

Got 5? ... We do! Check the RINGS!!!

by warftr5 on Sep 30, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who will start fireariansnow.com...?

It worked for the lions in firing matt millen… years later. I can’t watch another game of not utilizing the personnel the steelers have. Coaches are supposed to make the game easier, not harder.

by FireAriansNow on Oct 1, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Dookie coming back?

What about tatum bell he is sitting around on his arse?

by frankrmineo on Sep 30, 2008 9:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Arians did NOT figure anything out

As vin2k mentioned, the sneak was an audible in the no-huddle. What he didn’t mention is that ARIANS DOES NOT CALL ANY PLAYS IN THE NO-HUDDLE, BEN CALLS THEM ALL.

Did you notice certain times when our offense stalled again, for example at the goal line and at the end after the big Moore catch-and-run? Well, that’s when we went back to our base offense with Arians making the calls. And we stunk.

Arians did not figure out anything in the nick of time. What happened is Ben started screaming at halftime and the head coach let him drive the car. So maybe Tomlin gets a bit of credit for doing in desperation what he should have done long before it became such a problem.

arians is teh suck

by Alegre on Sep 30, 2008 9:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Want to Blame Arians Last Week, But. . .

This looks like two weeks of failing to adjust in-game. Isn’t this “Ben’s Guy?” Where’s the wrinkles? A few suggestions Brucey:

— Spell it with me now, S-C-R-E-E-N. To MM, to 86, to 10. Get the ball out of Ben’s hands and get the D moving laterally. Isn’t this one of the best blocking WR cores in the NFL? Supposedly?
— Have we seen anything other than off T, off G, Dive runs? 3&1 and we’re in the shotgun? Okay, but how about a direct snap to the RB? How bout letting the D penetrate and delay run past the pressure?
— Roll Ben out. Maybe I’ve been watching too much college football this year, but roll him out, get him moving. I thought he liked that.
— Santonio in the carriage in shotgun, shuffle pass, Hines throwing the ball, etc. I’m no football genius, but lets open this up some!

There’s so much more. The only adjustment I’ve seen in the past two weeks is 3-step drops in the 2nd half yesterday vs. 5, and it was so glaring that the idiot announcers picked up on it. Go figure!

by The IC Lion on Sep 30, 2008 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more

With all of the comments above.

I would also add:
-Run outside the tackles
-Reverses – every once in a while

Look I don’t think you can blame EVERYTHING on Arians, but I do think that failure on the level that we saw in the past two weeks, starts and ends with the ability to adjust. We did adjust, but as many people pointed out, it seems like that adjustment happened because Ben took over the play calling. I think that’s a really bad sign for Arians.

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 30, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how about a few pitches when willie comes back

he can beat everyone to the outside so lets pitch it…..I do not understand why we don’t do this…

by shleeve on Sep 30, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baltimore in the house

That was a nail biter and yes, you guys pulled it out in the ned. Over on my blog a lot of Ravens fans said the Steelers were lucky. I say that the good teams always get lucky and that is part of the reason the Steelers are still a better team than the Ravens. We always find a stupid way to lose, be it a dumb penalty or a few poor plays to doom us when we definitely had the chance to pull this one out. However, it shows that there’s not a huge a gap between these two teams as there was last season, and if you guys think that the AFC North title is firmly in the graps of the Steelers, take a look at your hellacious schedule, beginning next week in Jacksonville. You guys deserve props for your win last night dammit!), but we’ll be waiting in Baltimore for you later this season.

Great to see so many posts on your Open Thread. This was my first attempt at an Open Thread and we had 370 comments, which was huge for us, being new to this. Once again, you have a great blog going over here and pretty sharp fans compared to most of the other tems’ blogs. Good luck to you guys, but not so much for your team. Feel bad about the injuries and hope everyone gets healthy asap. Peace.

Rexx

by Rexx on Sep 30, 2008 9:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It was a good game

Cameron and Flacco have something going. I can’t believe we let up that TD drive late in the game. I was very disappointed in the defense on that drive, but I have to give a lot of credit to the QB and the OC. Even though you guys lost this one, I think you should be more encouraged by your QB than after the first 2 wins.

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by BadMaafala on Sep 30, 2008 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one more

I wouldn’t be as encouraged by the play of Gaither, though. Harrison was in the backfield all day (not that Ogden did much better last year), and he’s the first real pass rusher the Ravens have faced this year.

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by BadMaafala on Sep 30, 2008 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It all comes back to the offense

Sorry, we will see more of those late defensive breakdowns. Our D is solid, but it is also prone to getting winded. When your offense goes 3 and out most of the night, that means your defense is out on the field longer.

Steeler football is about grinding it out, giving our D a break so when they are on the field, they are attacking. The play calling is not only wrong for our linemen, but wrong for our defense. I think that is Arians biggest flaw. His play calling does not fit the mold of the team or the personell. That and the absolute failure to game plan or make in game adjustment is what will ultimately be our downfall.

by vin2k on Sep 30, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I think the duo of Flacco and Cameron are going to be really good in a year or two. Baltimore def. has an upside on the offensive side of the ball.

by woody71 on Sep 30, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kept telling myself that that could have been our OC this year if we had fired Arians.

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by BadMaafala on Sep 30, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly

Especially in the first half, I was thinking “We could have had Cameron as our OC!” Now who knows how long we’ll have to face him.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 1, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a Difference a Couple Games Make. . .

Before the season started, the division had 3 teams led by Pro Bowl QBs and the Ravens, who I thought may be better offensively if they lined up without a quarterback. Now Palmer is “hurt?” , Anderson is beginning to embrace what being a Brown is all about, and Big Ben spends more time on his ass than on his feet. Makes things much more even accross the board. . . going to be an interesting next couple of months in the AFC North.

by The IC Lion on Sep 30, 2008 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our schedule sure does suck, but it’s not like the ravens get off on a coaster. You guys get to play the ravens and the dolphins instead of the chargers and patriots. I don’t think anyone knows how those 4 teams (besides the raiders) are going to pan out.

I’m glad joey porter won’t be killing ben this year, he looked pumped against NE. Good luck with that.

by steelguy99 on Sep 30, 2008 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And they have no bye week here on out

come the end of the season that is going to hurt them, IMO.
Especially with the guys on the D who a getting a little long in the tooth.

But damn if they didn’t bring it last night.

by 703Steeler on Sep 30, 2008 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

luck?

See, I don’t get this at all. How were the steelers lucky when flacco fumbled? Our two best rushers decimated him and the ball came loose. That’s not luck, that’s a good defense, a damn good defense. If you guys recovered it from #7 there would be absolutely nothing on the ravens board about how you guys were “lucky” to recover the fumble.

Feel free to go through all the steelers postings about the game against the eagles last week. No one ever mentioned that the eagles stripping the ball from #7 had anything to do with luck. Their D swarmed the QB and that is what happened, it had nothing to do with luck.

The closest thing to luck was the ref missing that call on your guy on the endzone, that was a touchdown. That’s why the challenge flag was invented though, there was a remedy to this and the ravens failed to cure it. It’s just silly to say that with that the ravens win the game though. One change in score at that point can completely change how the game goes (in either direction), you can’t just say “add those 4 points and we win”. That’s not how football rolls…

by steelguy99 on Sep 30, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

was not

a touchdown. GRR, slow-motion pisses me off. Yes, in slow-mo both his hands were touching the ball while he still had two feet down, but he was not IN POSSESSION of the ball at that time. By the time he did have possession he only had one foot down. Not a TD, no way, no how, nowhere.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Sep 30, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rexx

Boy that was a tough hard fought game. I was impressed by Flacco. I think you guys have finally found your QB, and if anyone say Ray Lewis still can’t bring it, just watch that game. That being said, please have your team trade or release Troy Smith. It makes me sick to see one of my favorite college QBs on your team. :)

by SteelBuckeye on Sep 30, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cary Davis and other rushers...

What is the status of the Steelers’ number 3 rusher? Who else is available that is big and can compliment Moore? How long is FWP out?

by ec on Sep 30, 2008 9:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations...

…on a hard-fought win. Last night, I was saying that the Steelers “got lucky” and the Ravens “deserved” to win. In all honesty, the Steelers earned it. That’s why we watch football. We can say what we want about big plays, but one big play can negate an entire game of disciplined, solid football.

I think that even Steelers fans have to give the Ravens credit. At the beginning of the season, no one would have thought that the Ravens could challenge the Steelers. Now, I’m just looking forward to our next game. The Ravens played an incredibly solid game, but in the end, the Steelers made the big plays. Again, that’s the reason that I love football and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

by BAL_Hawk on Sep 30, 2008 10:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Deserves got nothing to do with it”
- Clint Eastwood, The Unforgiven

Anyways. Actually, if you look at the fan post from the pre-season titled “Steelers biggest competition in the AFC North” you will see that I actually said you guys would be our biggest competitors and that Cincy and the Clowns would be fighting for last place.

The Ravens do have something going, but it is a long season, let’s see how that Defense holds up.

by vin2k on Sep 30, 2008 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’ve always been worried about the ravens here at BSTC. We’ve never really been able to talk about the browns seriously.

by steelguy99 on Sep 30, 2008 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

i thought going into this year it would be:
Steelers
Ravens
Bengals
Clowns

by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Sep 30, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gave the Ravens Plenty of Credit Already

Don’t be too quick to annoint the Ravens as the cinderella story of ’08 that some how shocked the world by hanging in with the Steelers on MNF in week 4. Consider:

— Four of Eight ESPN “experts” picked the Ravens before the game
— The Ravens beat the Steelers 9 short months ago without Heap or Magahee (to be fair, no Ben, Willie, or Hines for the Steelers)

And remember, challenging the Steelers means making sure that the December game means something (if the Steelers are lucky enough to still be in the playoff picture), not the September game. The Ravens started last year off 2-1 as well.

by The IC Lion on Sep 30, 2008 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when the ravens D is healthy they are able to stay in any game.

Like jaws and the other retards on the broadcast said last night, when and if the Raven’s offensive becomes competent they will be able to keep the D of the field and they can be a VERY dominant D.

The only issue is the Raven’s Defense is almost as old as ours, and injuries pile up..

by frankrmineo on Sep 30, 2008 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting strategy by Tony K

I found it funny when Tony K suggested that who ever won the coin toss in OT should defer. Both analyst laughed at that suggestion, but I thought to myself that it was a sound strategy.

You are giving the ball to a rookie QB. You have home field advantage. Your defense is dominating except for a few minor gaffes, and if you are able to stop them, you have great field position.

Well, look what happened at the end. Balitmore got the ball, lost yards, gave the Steelers great field position, and we wound up making just enough plays to get in field goal range. I think Tony’s call, was correct.

by vin2k on Sep 30, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought about that too, but it was the penalties that screwed them. If you told the Ravens they’d be starting from the 15, I’ll bet they would have kicked.

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by BadMaafala on Sep 30, 2008 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except it was Jaws

Tony was giving him a hard time for suggesting it

by The IC Lion on Sep 30, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not our linebackers!

there’s some good young blood there

by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Sep 30, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or our backs, only our D-line is getting geriatric.

by steelguy99 on Sep 30, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys were definitely in it to win it. For as much as we were blitzing, I’m surprised there weren’t more checkdowns to Heap. He is still your second best receiving threat (behind Mason).

by Hines Ward on Sep 30, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Extra Special Props to...

the Special Teams Unit. Those guys have turned a weakness into a strength! It’s easy for some teams to overlook special teams but the Steelers have been so shaky for so long that I truly appreciate the improvement we’ve seen this year. Particularly when field position played such an important part in last night’s game.

I also give Props to the Ravens who finally appear to have a quarterback and a head coach. By next year these guys are going to be serious contenders for the division title and maybe even a conference title. My general dislike for the Ravens makes it hard to say that, but the truth is that our teams are more similar in mentality than we’d like to admit. Hopefully we’ll have many more years of competitive football while the Ohio contingent in the division continues to implode!

by Steev1705 on Sep 30, 2008 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m seriously hoping that while their offense gets better their defense gets worse and they settle into a more evenly balanced team. If their offense continues to improve and their defense stays as it is now, they are going to be hard as well.

Of course, I’m hoping our offense gets better and our defense stays about the same.

by steelguy99 on Sep 30, 2008 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still getting over last night

What can I say, that game was the worst and the best. the first half had me feeling physically sick. When we got going in the second with the no-huddle (thanks BEN!) I started to breath again and when Harrison caused the fumble and Woodley ran it in I jumped out of the chair so high I popped the button on my shorts half way across the damn room. Congrats to the Steelers for pulling that one out and hope the best for all of our fallen players.

Random thoughts:

Congrats to the Ravens on having a valid offense – damnit!
Congrats to Ben for taking the game in his hands.
Thanks to Jeff Reed for being the man!
Worried about defense against screens and the pass. Some of those drives we let get in there just looked too easy for the Ravens, but I’m sure they’ll work on that.

One day I hope to be in a situation where I can get online with yall and watch the game – but it’s Still great to read the comments after.

This wek is going to be interesting to see the roster moves made – I’m guessing we’ll see Russell back on the active and who on the line?

by SCSteeler on Sep 30, 2008 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There Seems To Be A Pattern Here

Gongrats to the Steelers on a hard fought win!! Talk about a bruiser. Great Job by the Ravens and their Rookie quarterback. Although, I’m still calling him Joey Flaco.

So much to cheer about, so much to lament. How about that Defense? My game ball is unstiched and split between them and M&M (Maweldy More) who came off the bench and performed like a hero. I think we will see some good things out of him as FWP heals.

I agree with a couple of the coments about Bruce Arians. I’m not a fan of his, or coach Z for that matter, in the first place. There we were in overtime trying to establish the run with our last running back. Run-run-pass, rinse and repeat (As Blitz put it). It would sure help the ulcer to have a second and one. You don’t suppose that Arians still works for the Brownies do you? Kind of supplimenting his income? To put Bruce’s performance in perspective, you only had to look across the field last night and see what a great offensive coordinator was doing with a rookie quarterback. Enough said.

Our injuries are mounting men. And you know the game with the Jags is going to be as physical as last night if not more. We need to do some extra stretching for that game and maybe go back to the old days when the players wore giant pads everywhere they could fit them.

Hmmm…..Coach Tomlin. What to think. I used to be a big fan. But listening to the comentators babel about his command of the English language last night I was left wondering if this guy is all talk. Just before the Steelers went to the no huddle, there was a camera shot of our bench and we could see Ben going to Tomlin and talking to him. Later, after the game, in his interview, Ben said he asked for the no huddle. I’m left feeling that Tomlin had no answers himself. I’m wondering if he isn’t freezing up? Just standing there on the sidelines praying for a miricle. I’m seriously in doubt about his ability to diagnose, adjust, adapt, teach and inspire.

I thought I saw Stapleton’s jersey last night. Got sidetracked and forgot to look for him again though. Did he look good? Anyone?

Last shout out goes to Big Ben for getting fed up and stepping in and proposing the no huddle. There was a shot of the bench around then and Big Ben and his offense were talking about the next series. Great leadership. Great save. I guess being a leader doesn’t just mean for the men on the field. I have the feeling that Ben lead his coaches to a win too.

by WyoFan on Sep 30, 2008 11:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My only concern about putting the blame on Tomlin for not adapting is that he is not an offensive mind. Asking him to take over calling offensive plays during the middle of the game is probably not his strong suite. I will say that if he cannot do that he will need to find someone on his staff, or on someone elses staff to bring in that can do that.
Tomlin is not someone who makes knee jerk reactions which is why I think he kept Arians and Coach Z on the staff. He felt like they took them to a division title and were close to winning a playoff game against the Jags, we weren’t that far off. Now come this year if we don’t start making improvments I fully expect to see a new OC, and a new Oline coach on staff.
Hopefully somebody that kicks some ass…

by frankrmineo on Sep 30, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Tomlin

will be on sat NFL radio @ 12:45pm if anyone is interested.

by woody71 on Sep 30, 2008 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Moore & The Defense

Mewelde Moore will be our starting RB this week. If you look at his career (he’s basically a career backup), he has been outstanding when called upon to be a starter. He’s probably not the kind of guy who can be a starter for a whole season, but he can definitely string together 3-5 solid games. He is very underrated, and very solid, our run game will be OK. Whoever called the offensive adjustments in the 2nd half, props to them. We used the no-huddle, and even when we weren’t in the no-huddle we used a couple more slants and check-down type passes from Ben. Stapleton looked excellent (at least as good as Simmons). Kemo and Davis got blown up by Ray Lewis (great play by Ray) on that goal-line play, but if that was Mendy or Parker thats a TD, Davis didn’t set up the block, he was right next to Kemo, making it easy for Ray to make that play.

Defense was fantastic as usual. Late game TD was tough, but they were on the field a ton, hard to blame them. Troy Polamalu is the DPOY so far, it’s not close. Ryan Clark came on a FS blitz last night, first time I’ve ever seen him blitz, I saw Ike Taylor blitz a couple times too. We did a good job bringing the heat. As great as James Harrison is, my film eye says that LaMarr Woodley is a better pass-rusher, seriously. The Ravens respected him more, gave him more double teams, etc. Woodley also blew up a double team on more than one occasion – not always getting a sack – but getting pressure nonetheless.

The Ravens D is also excellent. Bothered me though they kept running the same corner blitz off of Ward (in the slot) and Ward never did what he should do, which is break off his route soon as he sees his man blitzing and slant in to the middle for an easy 10 yards. Yes, you can’t diagnose the corner blitz before the snap, but they (Ben & Ward) should know, if they see that corner coming, that Ward will just break his route and go to the middle of the field.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Sep 30, 2008 11:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thought that Moore looked great

Sadly, it sometimes takes an injury to shake things up. I wish we could have FWP back soon and that delicious wasn’t done for the season, but the truth is, having Moore out there forced us to get creative about how we use our backs. Those two HUGE overtime catches by Moore have not been part of Steelers play calling repitorie in resent memory.

Same goes for BMac replacing Towensend. Suddenly our corner is attacking and making huge plays, not just laying back and keeping the other team for making big plays.

Stapelton, remains a question mark, but you cannot argue with the improvement of the o-Line in the second half. It seems that these three back-ups are all playing with the “fierce urgency of now”
Nice to see.

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 30, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Devnport...

…is coming back.

by zacharai on Sep 30, 2008 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ben & Leadership

if the stories are true about Ben yelling at the offense at halftime, then I see that as a GREAT sign. one, that’s probably the first time he’s done something like that, but that’s a big step for a QB to make, where they really become the leader of the team, in that they feel responsible to get the guys in shape to win the game. like most of you I don’t like Tom Brady, but one of his best traits is he has no problem yelling at players on his offense; and there is nothing wrong with that, the QB is supposed to lead. and it’s not like Ben didn’t take responsibility for not playing well in the first half (he did), but noone else played well either, so he stepped up.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Sep 30, 2008 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

attended the game last night

What a great experience, the starting lineups and the fireworks were amazing. After Holmes and Woodleys touchdown i actually thought the stadium was gonna collapse because the whole building was shaking. Now on to the game. Watching Ben run for his life in person is even more frustrating then watching on tv. It is sad indeed to see Simmons go down but we did seem to protect better after his injury. Neither his injury nor Mendenhalls looked very serious at the time so to hear this morning that they were both out for the year was surprising and very upsetting. Mewelde Moore…what else can you say. Played a great game and came up with multiple crucial first downs. Seems as though he will be starting next week so hopefully he is prepared to carry the load. The defense as we all agree looked great. I feel as if the other team must hold James Harrison every play or else he would have 10 sacks a game haha. The man is just a beast. Woodley seemed to be in on every play all night. As for Jeff Reed…think its time for fans to start wearing his jersey which you rarely if ever see. I know most of these thoughts were similar to things that have been said but it was just a great experience and hopefully we can get some type of momentum and get some revenge back on Jacksonville this weekend.

Side note…went back into stadium after game to check out the store and ran into Franco Harris and got a picture with him. Seemed like a great guy and it was a great way to end the night.

by steelersfan4life on Sep 30, 2008 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts

I couldn’t join the fun because I don’t have espn, and I had to conserve bandwidth on my DSL to watch the game. Crazy game all around. So how do you counter the blitz? You play no huddle, get 3 step passes to your backs and other recievers, you run draws, reverses and screens. I think I saw all of that other than screens last night. I can’t say it all worked, but at least the coaching staff showed that they knew what to do. I’ll give Arians a C- on the game, but only because he’s currently in the special ed class where effort counts more than execution.

We have a lot of drama this season, and it actually makes for good football. I can’t believe how many injuries we’re having as a team this early. Hopefully a we’ll survive a softer Jacksonville next week and get more healthy (esp Hampton and FWP) from the bye. I’m actually excited to see Gary Russell next week, and we might see a different, but still good 1-2 punch with him and Parker. I’d love to hear Jacksonville’s reaction to a fresh Russell slamming into them when they’re thinking they’re getting a banged up Steelers team. I want to see us run the ball down their throats 35 times.

I’m not sure who will replace Simmons on the roster. We only have 8 linemen now, and one of them is the worthlessly green Hills. In particular, we need some help on the interior, where we have don’t have any backups (unless you count noodle-limbed Essex). We could solve this by moving Colon inside and starting our 6th (or 4th) best OL, Starks, at RT either this week or during the bye, in which case we’d pick up Parquet from the the PS. Since that probably won’t happen, I wouldn’t be opposed anymore to giving Bentley a look, or for giving Tampa their pick back for Mahan, lol. The good news is that we had 7 quality (if not outstanding) linemen, so there really shouldn’t be a big dropoff losing Simmons, and we saw that.

Our running game was surprising consistent. No it wasn’t great, but it wasn’t 12 runs for 20 yards, either. We gained positive yards on most plays, even if it was just 2. 3rd and 6 is much better than 3rd and 11, which we’ve seen a lot in previous games against the Ravens. You can say what you want about the pass protection, but there is no doubt that the line is tougher this year than last.

I like Tomlin, even if he’s still learning. I see his fingerprints on the defense: setting the tone and giving LeBeau general points of emphasis like playing the pass better and limiting the big plays. I also give a lot of credit to him for the special teams. He tried something last year and it didn’t work. He figured something out this year, though, because he took what was a huge glaring weakness and made it a strength. Our return game still sucks, but our coverage has been fanstastic. We stopped them inside the 20 several times, and the only good return they had was sprung by multiple penalties. And Reed, man. He hasn’t missed a makeable FG since 2006. Tomlin needs to work out the offense, but I’ve seen enough so far to be patient.

Did Troy Polamalu play this well in ‘04 and ’05? He may be our best coverage DB. He made 2 really good plays on deep balls that showed his range and his ball skills, although I guess he bit on the PA on that TD. I’ve thought he was overrated at times, but he might be underrated now. He’s playing great against the run and the pass, something very few safeties can say. On the other hand, it was vintage Ike Taylor to stand and watch Mason make a spectacular catch and wave his arms incomplete. That was his best play on the ball all night. I don’t care how fast he is, or how well he can run with WR’s, he gives up on plays and doesn’t play the ball. That’s why he’s not a pro-bowler, not because of his hands.

It’s such an advantage to have 2 great pass rushers in Harrison and Woodley. They really complement each other. They are defeating blocks, not just fooling people with the scheme to come in unblocked. That opens up other opportunities when we do give a fancy blitz, like on Timmons’ sack. Harrison is really benefitting from the matchups though – he’s gotten 2 overmatched green OT’s while Woodley has to fight solid vets like Adam Terry and Eric Winston. Still, both are well on the their way to double digits sacks. I think we can lay the “not getting enough pressure” argument to rest for the next few years.

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by BadMaafala on Sep 30, 2008 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts Of 50

1) Arians has figured nothing out. The no huddle was lobbied for by Ben. He calls the plays not BA. BA and Z are lost in the Cleveland wilderness.
2) What’s with the time out calls by the bench with the Steelers lined up and running a play? In the first half they had a good running play negated by a bench time out call. In the second half Moore scored an apparent TD on a toss to the RB that was negated because the bench called a TO. We ended without a TD and an OT game because of that!
3) I didn’t hear Stapletons name called all night long. I used to hear Simmons once a quarter.While the OL still looked horrible in the second half, no sacks with Stapleton in the game. Been telling you guys about him since preseason last year!
4) Jury is in on 94. Timmons is a player. Disappointed he got run over at the goal line but redeemed himself with a HUGE sack late in game. Jury is out on Mendenhall. Hope he is man enough to play in the NFL.
5) Punting almost killed them in this game as Berger was consistently out kicked. Hurts the Steelers that as thin as we are on both lines that we wasted a draft pick (actually 2 because we traded up) on a punter that tore an mcl. Not a stellar move by the FO at this point in time.
6) Very nervous about this line and the rest of the schedule. Jax, NE, NYG, SD, Balt, and others are licking their chops. BA and Z need to fix it NOW.

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by 5020 on Sep 30, 2008 12:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tomlin

has me so conditioned to not worry about injuries and that my ‘standard of expectation doesn’t change’ that literally, I am not worried about this team collapsing due to injuries. If he can sell that message to a fan, not in the locker room, it must be sold in the locker room very well. Sign of a coach who has a good hold on his team is when the players start talking like the coaches, and you’ve seen alot of our guys say the ‘standard of expectation doesn’t change’ thing this year. Don’t expect the players to panic or use the injuries as an excuse. We will go into Jacksonville and get a win. This team is tough.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Sep 30, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Another team that our running game likes to be impotent against. Same story, but lets just come out of the gates and kick some ass next week huh?

by steelguy99 on Sep 30, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a violent game

I’m drinking that koolaid too MVT. At this point, I can say that I’m pleased with the roster adjustments Tomlin’s made in his short tenure. Much is revealed about a coach and associated personnel as the injuries pile up and you plug ‘em in. Coaches have to know where the numbers are thin and make the moves. As you know, It’’s a violent game. Tomlin is asked to do a number of things as head coach. Managing the stable and keeping them horses fresh is a big part of the deal. To get a win without your #1RB while losing a #2RB and a starter along the O-line is a good indication that Tomlin knows what he is doing.

by feworker on Oct 1, 2008 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

screen passes/draws/ect.

As stated above, I would like to see more of these types of plays to combat the relentless pass rush on big ben. BUT, is there an underlying reason we are staying away from these types of plays or is Arians that big of a moron? Maybe the offensive line is terrible at open field blocking? Maybe they dont want ben to absorb all the pressure on a screen pass and risk an additional injury?

/just throwing it out there

by bradyquinnsclipboard on Sep 30, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no

He’s an idiot. We can try to rationize stuff, but case and point: we’ve all been yelling for the no huddle offense for 3 years now. The offense is stagmant, then Ben asks tells the staff he’s using no huddle, and all the sudden we’re moving the ball. Marvel, Simmons, and Colon have all shown they can block in space, and Kemo isn’t too bad either. Arians is just an idiot.

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by BadMaafala on Sep 30, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BA and Z

Please, can someone call Mr. Rooney and ask him to fired those two no brainers. The Steelers looks great in 2nd half, when Big Ben was calling the plays. that means a 25 year old QB is a lot better OC that a guy that hve been working in the offense for 2 decades at least. Its pathetic. The D play great again, and keep up in the game. Lamarr and James are like Velociraptors (remember Jurasic park). quik, strong and with killer instincs. Ward is such a great mental player that 15 yds. was entirely him messing with the Ravens heads. No RB’s depth, that a tuff one. with the games ahead.

by simbiom on Sep 30, 2008 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Loved Ward

That guy lives under the skin of the Ravens. What a HUGE, game changing play, created purely, by guts, brain and effort. Ward defines Steeler football – he is a WR with an OL mentality.

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 30, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice write up, Blitzzzzz

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by ASUBoyd on Sep 30, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we "Tomlin haters" think he will be going anywhere soon...

…unfortunately, but you can’t get around the fact that hiring Larry Zeirlien and promoting Bruce Ariens were his first two significant decisions as head coach, and remain so to this point.

I don’t even blame Tomlin for his own deficiencies, he wasn’t the one who hired himself. It was those family feuding trust fund babies with the Coke bottle glasses. Better for everyone if they give up ownership of the team to someone whose main concern is football and not trying to airbrush a family legacy born in the gambling dens and at the racetracks of the city among the lowlifes and crooks.

by robert ethan on Sep 30, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tomlin is young and will continue to grow and luckily the Steelers organization will allow him to do so.

Why be a Steelers fan if you are soo bitter…

Go root for the Cowboys

by frankrmineo on Sep 30, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But a lot of the fans aren't "young" and won't "continue to grow"..

..except sideways. Why should they have to sit through a few years of “growing pains” on the part of some unqualified guy that the owners hired to make a social or political statement on their behalf?

by robert ethan on Sep 30, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If “growing pains” equals a divisional title and a close playoff game, I’m perfectly willing to endure that to see what he can grow into. I wasn’t thrilled with everything the Steelers did last year, and I’m not satisfied with 10-6 record against that schedule, but it’s not like they went 6-10 either. If they’re this good and still have a lot of potential to get better, how good could we be?

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by BadMaafala on Sep 30, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

10-6 and getting bounced out in the first playoff round is pointless.

They may as well have gone 0-12 and gotten some higher draft picks.

by robert ethan on Sep 30, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way. Ask a Lions or Browns fan if they’ve been having any fun doing this for years. Success is not just measured by a Super Bowl, if it was then only 1 team a year is successful.

by Cols714 on Sep 30, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm

By your math the Raiders, Rams and Dolphins should be competing for coach of the year honors and we should not play our final four games.

Seriously though, people will always see things through different lenses. Its hard to understand though what makes Tomlin, a young and successful coach in this league, by your estimation “an unqualified guy that the owners hire to make a social and political statement on their behalf.”

It reminds me a little of when Rush Limbaugh said that Donavan McNabb was overrated and people only liked him because he was black. Huh? Of all the dumb things to say. Why not just say you think the guy is overrated. You don’t like him, fine. But what in the world does race have to do with it.

It seems to me the same thing is true of criticism of Tomlin. You think the guy is a bum. That’s your right. 10-6 not good enough for you. Fine. We all have high standards. But really to insinuate that the only reason he got his job is that he’s black seems to be a lame argument without any real basis.

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 30, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it was his long and successful career as an NFL player...

..followed by many years of high level coaching experience on championship teams.

Or not.

by robert ethan on Sep 30, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean like Chuck Noll or Bill Cowher?

by Cols714 on Sep 30, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Emperor Chaz

Had an NFL playing career under coaching legend Paul Brown as an OG. He then was on a coaching staff assembled by the great Sid Gillman in SD which I believe included Shula and maybe Shottenheimer. Noll then traveled with Shula and I think he was the D coordinator for the Colt team that lost in the SB to the Jets.
I don’t classify Tomlin as a failure like RE but to me the jury is definitely still out. To me the thing is colt, you just don’t lump the greatest living coach in the NFL into the accomplishments of Tomlin and Cowher and into this argument. Noll is the measurement to which the bar is set.

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by 5020 on Sep 30, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If "growing pains" equals a divisional title and a close playoff game, I’m perfectly willing to endure that to see what he can grow into. I wasn’t thrilled with everything the Steelers did last year, and I’m not satisfied with 10-6 record against that schedule, but it’s not like they went 6-10 either. If they’re this good and still have a lot of potential to get better, how good could we be?

Just in case you didn’t see my post, I quoted the whole text for you. Here’s the recap: The Steelers are still a work in progress, but as far as works in progress go, 10-6 isn’t bad.

Contrary to certain interpretations, the author is not saying 10-6 and an early playoff exit is the goal, or acceptable on a consistent basis. What I believe the author is saying is that the Steelers have a good chance of getting better in the next few years as Tomlin grows into his job. While the future is looking up, the present hasn’t exactly been depressing either. It could have been a lot worse.

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by BadMaafala on Sep 30, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Tomlin was a better long-term option than Whis or Grimm. I’ll admit that Tomlin made some mistakes last year and has stuck with Arians too long (this almost shook my faith in him), but seeing what he’s done to certain aspects of the team make me think that he sees the problems and is figuring things out. Last year he tried something radical on special teams and it didn’t work. This year he tried something equally radical and it did work. I still attribute the consistency of the defense against the pass to Tomlin’s influence, because it just wasn’t this way under Cowher. We either sacked the QB or got shredded. Obviously offense isn’t Tomlin’s speciality, which is why he needs a cordinator he can entrust it to. He didn’t make the right decision the first time there, although I can hardly blame him for wanting someone familiar to the team in his first year, and he stuck with that decision too long, but I suspect we’re well on our way to a new OC in 2009. If he goes through with that and can make a good decision in that search, I think we’ll be on track to be a damn good team.

Meanwhile, the Whis/Grimm thing isn’t going that poorly, but it’s hardly been a huge success. Warner had 6 turnovers and 5 sacks against the Jets. Everyone keeps saying how much talent the Cardinals have, but they still have yet to live up to their potential.

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by BadMaafala on Sep 30, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I can understand why he kept Arians for a 2nd year, follows with the Rooney ideals to give people time to work it out. Tomlin definitely is a guy who understands when he could be better at something or when a mistake has been made and doesn’t try to say “oh it wasn’t my fault” and pretend it doesn’t happen. That is huge. If he cans Arians at the end of this season (although if we have a deep playoff or SB run, it’d be hard to do that no matter what) we can be even greater.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Sep 30, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we go to the Super Bowl, I highly doubt people will still want to fire BA. Let’s hope for that. That being said, I am completely done defending him. I defended him after last week’s debacle, and then to lay that egg in the 1st half is completely indefensible.

by Cols714 on Sep 30, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just A Hater

Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone who hates the Rooneys. Man…you are going to have a bad year. Cheer up, the basketball season is starting soon. I don’t think football is your sport. LOLOLOL

by WyoFan on Sep 30, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope to see Gary Russell get a shot...

They have been carrying the guy for two years now, time to either see if he can play or let him go elsewhere. But Davenport was fine last season. Better ypc average than Parker and more touchdowns.

by robert ethan on Sep 30, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dookie, Russell to the rescue?

Well, Dookie is back in the fold and G. Russell will be before the next game. Dale Lolley said in his blog he expects Trai Essex to start at RG with the $7.9M million man continuing to ride the bench in Max Starks. Some quick thoughts:

— Did anyone notice those crunching blocks that TE Sean McHugh was throwing from the H-back position? We haven’t seen blocks like that out of the backfield since Dan Kreider was in his prime. Maybe we should ask Bart Scott what he thinks of McHugh.

— Ray Lewis is an animal. That hit where he blew up Mendenhall in the hole and fractured his shoulder made me cringe, and I was at home watching it on television. Ray-Ray laid the wood on the kid. I knew he was hurt as soon as he hit him. He also put Carey Davis out of the game too. Whether or not you like him, you have to love his last words when ESPN filmed him talking to his guys. Ray Ray said “Someone is getting knocked out tonight!” I hate the birds but I love that attitude.

— Like it or not, the jury is still out on Mendenhall. He is young and came out after his junior year, but it just didn’t seem like he was ready for the big stage just yet. Hopefully, he’ll make the same strides in his second year that Timmons and Polamula did.

— Speaking of Timmons, I forgive him for getting dump-trucked because the guy he was trying to tackle was 265-lbs. He made up for it with that sack at the end. He, Harrison and Woodley make up a pretty dynamic LB corps, and Farrior and Foote are playing good ball, too.

— I think we’re going to see Holmes back there for good on punt returns, at least until we get healthy at RB. Too bad I don’t think that is going to happen this year. It will be nice to get Kiesel and Big Snack, though. Once that happens and the team can afford further injuries, I think you could legitimately be looking at the top D in the league.

— Keep Ben Upright, we win a lot of games this year. Ben on the ground, we lose a lot of games. Simple as that.

— Why does Ben get rid of the ball quickly in the no-huddle spread offense, but can’t seem to do the same thing in the regular offense? What’s the difference?

— No one on this board mentioned Chris Mortensen’s report on ESPN how Tomlin told Bruce Arians after the Eagles game that he better fix the offensive breakdowns or he won’t continue to be his offensive coordinator for long. When your boss calls you out like that, it is only a matter of time before the hook comes. Let’s hope the next OC and line coach will take us back to real Steeler football so that Ben won’t get murdered.

— Why can’t we have a 265-lb. RB like McClain from B-more? Also, why can’t Gary Russell get on the field? It’s not good coaching when injuries have to force your hand to do something that everyone else and their mother sees that you should be doing but don’t (aka starting B. McFadden, sitting Kendall Simmons, giving G. Russell some burn moving Colon to G and not having $8M on the bench).

Thoughts?

by datruth4life on Sep 30, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That game was the Steelers in microcosm...

Eking out ugly wins IN SPITE OF management and coaching staff.

In my opinion.

by robert ethan on Sep 30, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

It’s funny that it’s gotten to the point that after Mendy got injured and I saw Cary Davis playing I thought to myself, “DaTruth is gonna be pissed that they didn’t sign Russel from the practice squad!”

I didn’t hear the Mortensen report. That’s very interesting, and is perhaps what sparked B.A’s admission of fault.

As a secondary note… Did ya’ll notice Ben’s post-game comments about him calling the plays having sparked the comeback? I think for all his “I love Bruce” comments from last year, he’s starting to see the cracks in the system. He likes the system, but not the play calling. We may start seeing him freed up more and more like Brady and Manning to make his own calls at the line.

by Chicago Steeler on Sep 30, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

on everything. the reason he gets the ball out quicker in a no-huddle is because the no-huddle is usually designed around 3-step drops and shorter pass routes. our biggest problem against Philly and against Baltimore in the first half was even when we got decent pass pro, our receivers were running 20-yard routes (like they are on a Mike Martz team or something) and it takes alot of time to get downfield running a big route like that.

— Thought Mendenhall looked decent against a great run D, in limited action (due to injury). Broke a couple nice runs, had 9 carries, 30 yards. Didn’t shy away from contact, ran hard, ran over a couple people on his runs, again, very limited sample size but still.

— As I posted in another thread, what evidence is there besides Colon’s body type/arm length/foot speed, say that Colon is a better guard than Simmons or Stapleton? I agree Colon might be a better guard than tackle, but that doesn’t mean he’s better than who we have. Starks should be over Colon though, I agree.

— Where did you see the Chris Mortensen report, do you have a link or was it on TV, just interested to see it.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Sep 30, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Agree about keeping 7 upright and McHugh.
I totally echoed your thoughts in my post above regarding Mendenhall & Timmons.

Hadn’t heard about the Mortenson report. What I found frustrating was that the fellow on the other sideline (Cam Cameron) was available to the Steelers had we pulled the trigger on BA after Jax II last year. I even mentioned him on this site as well as Sarkisian (USC) as possible BA replacements at the time.

Need to run Moore, Dookie and Russell ’til the wheels come off against Jax Sunday eve. The less Ben throws the healthier he stays.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 30, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's with the coin toss?

Did anyone notice the horrilbe coin flip going into overtime. The referee heard the
Ravens call “tails”. He took his oversized coin and basically dropped it with the “tails side” face up. It landed flatly and they Ravens won the toss. If you recorded the game go back and listen to James Farrior. You can hear him cussing at the referee that it wasn’t even a “F*ckin” flip.

I don’t think there was any maliciousness on the Ref’s part but there certainly was a failure to keep the coin toss random.

by Steev1705 on Sep 30, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Totally!

I noticed that too. All of the Steelers were looking on in confusion. it was very odd. I was wondering how hard it is to flip that coin.

by Chicago Steeler on Sep 30, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it worked out for us anyway thanks to a couple holding penalties on the kickoff. If you don’t have great offenses or horrible defenses, getting the ball first isn’t much of an advantage.

charity standing orders

by BadMaafala on Sep 30, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we really struggled when we had poor field position on the offense. Generally I’m a fan of getting the ball first, but I can’t say I would have been unhappy had we called it the other way.

Of course, if the ravens go down the field and kick a field goal I’m singing a different tune. Relying on the defense in OT to step up against Flacco would have been a good call, and relying on special teams the way they have been playing to give the ravens bad field position would also have been a good bet.

You could argue it either way, but the only time the coach would have looked good was if they won. The ravens march down the field and score, great call coach! The ravens get stopped 3-out and give the steelers the ball with great position, you suck coach!

by steelguy99 on Sep 30, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yah

I noticed he somehow threw the coin straight up without any extra force on either side, and it just landed how he had thrown it. I started to cringe thinking of a previous coin-toss mishap against the Steelers.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Sep 30, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

defer

The fact that we deferred meant that at the end of the game we were kicking at the closed end of the stadium which is much easier than kicking at the open end. I’m guessing that’s why we did it.

by schnifin on Sep 30, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give the ref a break...

He has to keep those kneecappers from Vegas off his back.

by robert ethan on Sep 30, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce Arians

Once again……., he is the worse stinken’ OC in the league. He needs to be canned and we need to air the ball out a little more. Why have all those talented receivers if you are not going to use them?

Every day brings future to past, every breath leaves me one less to my last. DT

by usmcsdi69 on Sep 30, 2008 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lets try a few deep passes!

by steelguy99 on Sep 30, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mort Report

You guys know how ESPN does a rewind of events that they talked about on Sunday morning during the pregame show on Monday Night? That is when I saw Mort’s comments about Tomlin telling Arians that either he fix this stuff or prepare to be out of a job. I’m glad that he told him that. It’s still not all Arians. Ben has to get rid of the ball quicker. The OL needs to be upgraded. The WR’s and RB’s need to be looking for the ball on their hot releases.

Maybe the 2nd half was a start. I do know if Big Ben has the time, he can be dangerous. This team also needs to find either the will, the personnel, the offensive coordinator or whatever to get back to pounding the ball. I want an offense just as physical as this defense.

Thoughts?

by datruth4life on Sep 30, 2008 5:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for this port

I had not heard that about Tomlin talking to Arians. I know it is not all Arians fault, but he does have a big hand in it. I know I am old fashion. I like a good D with a power running game, but I was hopefully for this possible high flying 50/50 offense after seeing Ben’s numbers last year, but it is just not working. The thing that kills me is the Giants won the Super Bowl last year with our old offense.

by SteelBuckeye on Sep 30, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

problem

is we are stacked with offensive talent. when teams load up to stop the power run, we have to pass, when we start to pass, teams blitz a ton, which is when we run into problems not adjusting. when they blitz a ton, then you throw the screens/slants etc we’ve all talked about, this spreads the defense out, then you can power run again.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Sep 30, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we have

enough balanced talent on offense to deploy any system really.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Sep 30, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True true

which puts its back on Arians and the o-line, but personally I don’t believe we have had a true power running game since it was Duce and Bettis. I was hoping that adding Mendy this year would re-add that feature to or offense. Now he is hurt, and now I am rooting for Russell.

by SteelBuckeye on Sep 30, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chicago Steeler -- Stop Reading My Mind

Chicago Steeler, hey man, get out of my head (ha-ha). I was thinking that G. Russell should have been activated, especially when you didn’t know what you had with Mendenhall and whether or not he was going to put the ball on the ground. Russell is a grinder, the type of back that you need for a game like this. B-More had theirs in McClain.

Let’s hope the kid gets a fair shot. I’ve been saying this for 2 years, but I think he is the best short yardage person on the team. Only the people here at BTSC believe me.

Did anybody else cringe at that hit that Ray Lewis gave Mendenhall up in the hole? I will give it to our rookie, he wasn’t creeping into the line when he got the ball on that carry. He hit it full throttle and Ray-Ray met him full-throttle. That is the NFL right there in a nutshell. McHugh’s block on Bart Scott in the hole was a thing of beauty, too.

Thoughts?

by datruth4life on Sep 30, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t mind seeing Gary Russell myself. However, there is a reason he was on the PS, and it can’t be a good one.

Mendenhall was really running it up there, wasn’t he? Looks like we may have something with him, too bad about the injury.

by Cols714 on Sep 30, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No fault of his own

Russel was just too far down a good depth chart. He didn’t really play full back, or 3rd down back. You really couldn’t put him above FWP or Mendenhall. But I think the guy showed real fire in the pre-season. He looked like a baller. I am excited to have him back on the team.

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 30, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depth at RB

is the reason Russel was on PS. We had FWP and Mendy ( I refuse to call him delicious). Then MM is third down/PR/KR. Davis a fullback. Russel gets placed on PS to save a roster spot. Good news is we have him to activate.

by woody71 on Sep 30, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GREAT WIN

Blitzburgh wrote:

"…QB sneak it for 3 yards or so if teams are going to continue blitzing like that…Those yards told me that perhaps in fact we were actually going to try something….ANYTHING…new to get things on track offensively. "

And on the very next play – 38 yard TD pass from Big Ben to Santono.

Good call Blitz, and Big Ben. Give him all the credit in the world. After turning it over in the first half with that awful INT trying to tuck the ball, which gave all the momentum and field position to the Ravens for quite a while, Big Ben comes back big time.

Ben reads the riot act to the offense at halftime, demands the no-huddle, and the result is a TD. Way to go Big Ben Roethlisberger showing leadership!

Great defense especially the front 7, and Troy, against a very competitive Ravens team with a solid performance from Flacco. All the time while the Steelers offense was sputtering. What can you say about Harrison and Woodley other than their combined stat line for the night:

18 tackles, 4 sacks, 4 quarterback hurries, 2 forced Flacco fumbles, 1 TD. WOWSERS

Also: JEFF REED = MONEY

2 TDs in 15 seconds. Rallying from 10 down with 20 minutes left in the game. No sacks against in the 2nd half. All against a tough and fiercely competitive defense.

Great teams find a way to win, they win ugly, they overcome adversity and win. All the credit in the world to this team. Should be a heck of a season.

All ready is.

by herewegosteelers on Sep 30, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s not like we came right out of the gates after half and dominated though…

by steelguy99 on Sep 30, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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