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Steelers and Browns to Renew Storied Rivalry

There are many rivalries in sports, from the Yankees-Red Sox to Harvard-Yale and everything else in between.  It's all a matter of where you are from.  It is pointless to argue which is the greatest rivalry.  The answer lies in the eye of the beholder.  What is undisputable is that the Pittsburgh Steelers-Cleveland Browns rivalry is as good as it gets.  Since World War II, each of these storied franchises has won five NFL championships.

I was born in Pittsburgh and will always be a die-hard Steelers' fan.  I also spent 22 years working in Cleveland and 32 years living in Youngstown, a city exactly halfway in between.  I am uniquely qualified to experience this this great rivalry from all perspectives.

From Bigelow Square to Public Square, Pittsburgh and Cleveland are separated by 134 miles of neighborhood taverns and, during its heyday, various factories in the steel industry.  What makes these two cities so unique is that the people who live there, for the most part, are from there.  So too are their parents and their parents' parents.  Most other cities have a higher percentage of transplants.

The bond between a community and its football team is directly proportionate to the roots of the people who live there.  Loving the Steelers, Browns, Packers and maybe a couple other teams is not generally an acquired taste, like so many other cities where people have relocated from elsewhere.  It is passed through the umbilical cord from generation to generation.  It is both nature and nurture and not just the latter.  Of course, I am not talking about any individual situation, but the general psyche of a poplulation. Without mentioning names (to be sure there are die-hard fans in every city), I have been to most NFL stadiums across the country.  The seats may be filled with team colors, but the pain of losing and euphoria of winning is just not the same.  Our roots are deeper.

When the Steelers play on the road, Steeler Nation is proudly recognized by the television commentators as being the best in the NFL.  When the Browns were in their productive years in the late 1980s, the Browns Backers Clubs throughout the country were unmatched.  It is natural that whichever team is on top in a given era will have more exposure, but you don't hear the same kudos for most other national fan bases as Pittsburgh and Cleveland.

The rivalry itself has had very little consistency through the years.  It began in 1950 with the Browns winning 16 of the first 18 games.  There was very little hatred in those days.  The Browns were delighted to play the Steelers twice a year to improve their record.  The Steelers couldn't muster much animosity toward Cleveland since all the other NFL teams were beating them also.  This continued through the 1960s, though the Steelers at least began to win occasionally.  The 1964 Saturday night game at Cleveland in which John Henry Johnson ran wild (200 yards) in a 23-7 Steelers upset was a milestone moment between the two teams.  The Browns eventually won the NFL title that year.

By 1970 the two franchises were joined together at the hip.  The NFL and AFL were merging into one league, but sensitivities were high since three NFL teams needed to move over the American Conference to balance the league.  No one wanted to jump.  Art Rooney and Art Modell got together and decided that as long as they were together, it didn't matter where.  They also surmised that in a few years no one would know the difference, and they were exactly right.  They each took $3 million and along with the Baltimore Colts merged into the American Conference.  But they never would have jumped without each other.

The rivalry took a spike in the 1970s when the tables were turned.  Pittsburgh finally had reason to gloat and Cleveland took offense to that.  The roots of Cleveland's animosity clearly took hold during the Steelers' Super Bowl dynasty years.  The intensity jacked again when Bernie Kosar left the Youngstown demarcation line and went 67 miles northwest instead of southeast.  Both teams needed a quarterback badly and Kosar was clearly the difference.  Now it was the Browns who were gloating and Pittsburgh took offense.

The rivalry peaked from 1989 through 1993 when, finally, neither team dominated.  In fact, they played 10 consecutive games without either team winning twice in a row.  Moreover, in 1989 and 1994 both teams made the playoffs.  Just when it was an even battle, Art Modell took his team to the eastern seaboard after the 1995 season.  Ironically, no one worked harder than Dan Rooney to ensure the return of football to Cleveland.  Arguably the most respected and influential owner in the NFL, Rooney helped broker an unprecedented guarantee that the Cleveland Browns would return, complete with name and colors.

Since then the rivalry has become lopsided again, in part because the Browns had to start over from scratch.  However, as we stand today, Pittsburgh has won 57 times and Cleveland has won 55 times.  If you just look at regular season, the teams are dead even at 55 wins apiece.  So the two teams square off again in prime time this Sunday.  If you think that pointspreads and how a team plays a week ago mean anything you are badly mistaken.  Not in the NFL.  Cleveland proved that a year ago.  Come Sunday we can resume hating each other, but just for the moment, let's stop and salute one of the greatest rivalries in all of sports.  It is far better to hate each other than for one of us to not have the other to hate.  Like fire and ice, we need each other to make a fine brew.

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I’m actually from Youngstown, and it is pretty evenly divided between Browns and Steelers fans. FWIW, I’m the only Steelers fan in my family and among my circle of friends, so it’s been a pretty fun since the beginning of the Cowher era until now.

by Cols714 on Sep 9, 2008 12:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m from Warren. My dad’s whole family is from Ashtabula, and I’m a Tribe fan because of that, but my mom’s side of the family is from Dubois, and I have Black and Gold in my blood.

But now I live in Boston, in perpetual agony.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people.

by BostonWahoo on Sep 9, 2008 1:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 2nd game last year against the browns was an excruciating experience and shows what they can bring.

by steelguy99 on Sep 9, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Browns will be tough

I know we are all still in glow of the smackdown we gave to Houston. And we should be. I don’t think any one of us could have written a better scenario (unless we had Sweed catching a 70 yard bomb from dixon in garbage time – but honestly there is no need to be greedy). Our tools are sharp. Our game plan looks good. And our players look hungry. That’s a real good way to start the season.

But the main thing is for this team to keep its focus. The Browns got some new weapons and should be improved in theory, although its hard to tell after their first game. They are a team with a lot to prove and they really don’t want to go 0-2. But I think this is the Steelers game to lose. Our second victory against Cleveland last year showed just how it could be done. Poor special teams play, giving up four sacks, throwing an interception basically allowed the Steelers to almost lose a game in which they out gained the browns 401 yards to 163 yards and held on to the ball for almost twice as much time.
The game against Cleveland came after our best game of the year, the complete destruction of Baltimore.

My point is, that with all due respect to the Browns, and I do think that they have the potential to be a good (not great) team. They haven’t yet shown that they can beat Pittsburgh unless Pittsburgh really beats itself. I don’t expect that to change on Sunday, but I do think this Browns team is better than last year and will be much more capable of capitalizing on any big mistakes we make.

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 9, 2008 2:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In a related note

As many people noted the panic is beginning to build in Cleveland. This is the nature of sports, but its kind of sad to see fans get so down on a team. The post below is from one fan on the Bronws site. In all fairness there were a lot of Browns fans, including our buddy kwoog, who are not ready to hit the panic button. But I think a loss to the Steelers will really unnerve the Browns.


You look at the Steelers, who we all can’t stand, they win year after year. They treat the draft like life and death, and they don’t bring in overpriced overated players. They are consistent and good.
 Thats fine if you want to sit back and cheer for them when they go 2-14 or 9-7. I choose not to. I see this franchise one of the gems in the NFL, being run poorly from top to bottom, and it is tough to take.

 If you think this team the way this roster is consituted, is going to make the playoffs or even go 8-8 then you are watching this team with blinders on.
 My biggest beef with this team is Romeo. He is a coordinator not a head coach. The day Bill Cowher left Pittsburgh, was the day the Browns should of made him the highest paid coach in NFL history.

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 9, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

woops

messed up the quote. It all belongs to the same guy and reads:

“You look at the Steelers, who we all can’t stand, they win year after year. They treat the draft like life and death, and they don’t bring in overpriced overated players. They are consistent and good.
 Thats fine if you want to sit back and cheer for them when they go 2-14 or 9-7. I choose not to. I see this franchise one of the gems in the NFL, being run poorly from top to bottom, and it is tough to take.
 If you think this team the way this roster is consituted, is going to make the playoffs or even go 8-8 then you are watching this team with blinders on.
 My biggest beef with this team is Romeo. He is a coordinator not a head coach. The day Bill Cowher left Pittsburgh, was the day the Browns should of made him the highest paid coach in NFL history.”

by SteelerBuddha on Sep 9, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome post, maryrose. I love the rivalry, and extend my gratitude to all the great Steelers fans on here that allow me to join in the conversation.

by kwoog on Sep 9, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love that Clevland is decent looking this year

I have a lot of friends who are Browns fans, and it is so much easier to rub wins in thier faces when the team is good. For the past few years it has been like picking on the fat kid with glasses and a pocket protector, fun, but not really fulfilling.

Crennel says that he has been building his team to beat the Steelers, that by doing so is the only way to really win. Has he done it this year? I guess we’ll find out on Sunday.

I can’t hardly wait. I love the rivalry.

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Sep 9, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In case you can't tell,

My avatar is Silverback body slamming a Browns fan who ran onto the field!

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Sep 9, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go Steelers

I’m from Pittsburgh (munhall) now living in DC. I’m the guy that will yell at a browns fan all game, then be at the bar doing shots with them after. I love to hate the browns.

I’m looking forward to see Willie put up some big numbers this sunday.

by PGHviaDC on Sep 9, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep…looking forward to being ahead in the standings come Week 3 ;)

Dawgs By Nature - Find out why Pittsburgh still sucks.

by ChrisPokorny on Sep 9, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it is true

This rivalry losses its luster when the Steelers stomp on the browns every year. I hate the Brownies and always will but until they put up a challenge I am not going to have the animosity that ChrisPokorny has. If they beat us once, and only once again, I will be right back to my Brown hating self. However, until then there is only one team who has stolen our chances in the past decade and thats the Pats. Until Cleveland steals the division off us I will still hate them, second most in the league!!!

by black&goldtilldead&cold on Sep 9, 2008 4:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do hate

That their fans come on BTSC but at dawgs by nature they won’t let any Steeler fans on there. Pussies!!

by black&goldtilldead&cold on Sep 9, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s mainly kwoog though, and he’s coo’

by steelguy99 on Sep 9, 2008 4:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think it’s great having kwoog here. Are there any other Browns fans that frequent BTSC?

Brandona

by PrimantisStillersNAt on Sep 9, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have you even been to Dawgs By Nature? If you’re referring to the initial registration message I have up, that’s nothing more than a joke. And the only Steeler fans I’ve ever banned have posted nothing more than “haha Browns blow, 0-16 here you go”.

I welcome all Steeler fans to come over and exchange some jabs, as long as they’re beyond “we’re gonna woop your ass!”

And, when did I show animosity here?

Dawgs By Nature - Find out why Pittsburgh still sucks.

by ChrisPokorny on Sep 9, 2008 10:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chris

I don’t think anyone said you’ve ever shown any animosity here. This is the first few times I’ve seen you post, seems good contributions so far. Kwoog is usually fine as well. I might take you up on your offer to post occasionally on your site.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Sep 9, 2008 11:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

’twas referring to what black&goldtilldead&cold said above:

“I am not going to have the animosity that ChrisPokorny has.”

I don’t post nearly as much as I should over here, but I do read.

Dawgs By Nature - Find out why Pittsburgh still sucks.

by ChrisPokorny on Sep 10, 2008 12:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

gotcha

would like to get your thoughts on the matchup breakdown I just posted for Woodley vs. Shaffer, and more importantly, Shaffer’s strengths/weaknesses, did I hit home on ’em, etc..

by TheMostViolentTeam on Sep 10, 2008 12:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'll get their best shot on Sunday

Unfortunately for them I think they’ll get ours as well. I think the Steelers understand the opportunity of this game and seals the deal.

by RickVa on Sep 9, 2008 6:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice post again :)

Hmm, I think this will be a good game. I would love another romp to quiet the preseason Brown loving press, but I doubt it will be that easy. Their off season moves was to rebuild the D-line to stop the run. Why? If we beat the Steelers we go to the post season. This is going to be Ben’s game. I am not worried about that as much as the play calling, so we will see.

Plus, other than last years game at Cleveland we played like crap on the road. Here is our chance to change that.

This game will test the mettle of the Cleveland players. Personally I think they have a bunch of “me” players. If they are a good team they will give their best game. A win or a close lose, and they will be there all year. If we can blow them out, they will fold. Local TV and radio is stating the players may already be questioning their coach.

by SteelBuckeye on Sep 9, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hehe

Perfect storm’s a brewin along Lake Erie.

You make a good point about the Steelers and their road performances. We were pretty awful last year on the road. Sunday’s a good first test, particularly for the offensive line, to see how much we may have improved fro last year.

by Blitzburgh on Sep 9, 2008 6:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One At A Time

To 50 this is the biggest game of the year. Of course I say that every week. Totally agree that the Brownies will be tough next week looking for blood. The environment will be quite hostile. The Steelers will need their A game and can’t come out unfocused and mistake prone or they will get an L.

Last years annual pilgrimage from Cali to Mecca (Heinz) was a crisp October day against the Brownies. Ben looked horrible early and then led us to victory. It was a great day and family and friends from around the country made the trek and obtained tix. We even got our group picture posted in 8/31/08 Steelers Digest Fan Post!

I hate the Cleve Browns but missed them greatly and hated Modell with the passion of a man from Berea when he took them to Balt. I still refer to the team in Baltimore as the BrownRavens. You can dress them in purple but a Brown is a Brown. My 2 favorite Steelers Browns moments; 1) PA’s avatar of Deebo slamming the drunken Dawg and 2) the double reverse TD pass in OT from Bradshaw to Bennie Cunningham in week 1 of 78 or 79. Thanks for another great read maryrose. you are THE BTSC keeper of history.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Sep 9, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From A Browns Fan...Best Article...

Have to tell you I believe that is the best article I have ever read on the subject. I really do love my Browns and really do hate the Steelers but will tell anyone that wants to listen anywhere that Browns – Steelers Football is what football is all about. Love them or hate them (either one), that is what football should be. Hard hitting and personal…in the mud, the cold, snowing, blowing…it doesn’t matter. Steelers AND Browns fans should feel priveledged as football fans to be part of such a rivalry. And yes, I know it’s been a while…but the Browns have fielded some of the greatest players and teams ever to play the game…as have the Steelers in more recent times. Hoping that it continues. PS…as a Browns fan the Rooney stand on the team (Browns) leaving and then returning did not go without notice so even though I do not like his team…I have considerable respect for him and his organization. Now Go Browns!

by Latagain on Sep 10, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It'll be a good game.....

It always is. The lights. The rivalry. The two storied teams. Can’t say i don’t think the Steelers will run away with it, but it will still be a good game.

Parker isn’t as mean as Marion Barber, but he should run well against that D.

Hines isn’t as tall or fast as TO, but he should get free against that weak secondary.

Miller isn’t quite Witten but if he is anywhere near as open as Witten was against the Browns, he’ll have 7 or 8 catches and plenty of space to get some YAK.

I also like the total smack talking that goes on between these two cities (knowing that Cleveland isn’t half of what Pittsburgh is).

So i give you some smack talk.

Fugly Browns Poll

by WeezerB on Sep 10, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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