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Lolley and "interesting" game plan speculation

I started reading Dale Lolley's blog when it was mentioned on this site in the preseason, and I'm sure many others here check it as well.  Lolley posted something pretty interesting today:

The Steelers look to have an interesting game plan from what I saw at practice today. Because we agree not to report what we see in terms of plays and such, I can't share it with you, but suffice it to say, it will be interesting if they do some of the stuff they were working on.

So what do you guys think?  More reminisces of the SB run (flea flickers and other gadget plays)?  If so, what do you think of this possibility, and/or what should our offensive plan be for Baltimore?

Considering that Hines was a QB in college, I've wondered why I haven't seen him try a WR pass since Randle El left.  Perhaps Ward can add at TD pass to his stats for the year.  

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I cringed ...

when I read Lolley’s comment. I hold my breath whenever Pittsburgh runs one of those WR reverses or trick plays. No matter what the statistics support, my mind tells me they are always disasters.

by tenthmtnman on Jan 15, 2009 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

in my mind

i’m still holding out for dennis dixon to get in on some plays

by schnifin on Jan 15, 2009 8:17 AM EST reply actions  

check that
No, you won’t see Dixon in action on Sunday unless Roethlisberger and Leftwich are injured. Maybe next year.
Dan Rooney really likes Dixon a lot.

per Lolley

by schnifin on Jan 15, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Ideas

Maybe the game plan is to run a successful screen? Or not run out of 2 TE formations? Maybe we’ll run reverses on every play? Punt on first down and let our defense do it’s work?

If this is something more than a smokescreen, my best guess is we’ll use a spread offense to exploit their lack of CB health and depth. I don’t know if it’d be a good idea to change things up now and with the weather, but it sounds like something Arians would do. Remember when he started the job, he talked about the Browns-Steelers playoff game, opening things because he thought their WR depth was better than our CB depth? It won’t hurt that they’re not very good at rushing the passer and that they’re best pass rusher is playing hurt. Still, I’d rather see us pound the ball for 3 ypc.

I just had another thought – Lolley didn’t say the twist was on offense. I hope they do gameplan for that ridiculous “unbalanced line” gimmick the Ravens do. If they bring out another OT, I want to see Hoke out there too. The main reason they ran the ball on us last time is that they had more big guys up the middle than us. We need to match that.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 15, 2009 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

I really don’t expect any trick plays. When I hear the term “game plan” I tend to highlight the word plan. Will they have a slightly different philosophy on offense or defense? Will they go about their business in a different way than normal? Is Dale reporting this because he knows the opposition is paying attention and the steelers aren’t doing anything different?

by steelguy99 on Jan 15, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

What's a screen?

When I say who dey, you say we dey.

by sn0wballz on Jan 15, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

2-5 Defense?

                                                                      
                                                  Hampton Smith
                        Woodley Timmons Farrior Keisel Harrison
Taylor B-Mac
                                    Clark Polamalu

"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)

by PixburghArn on Jan 15, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

That didn't come out the way I meant it to

B-Mac is supposed to be on the right and the spacing was right when I made it.

"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)

by PixburghArn on Jan 15, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

What about 3-5-3??

This is a very popular defense in HS and colleges right now. It fits their personnel and front structure really nicely. How about Timmons being put in there with the 4 starting LBs? Talk about havoc!! Timmons is fast and could drop out into coverage in numerous zone schemes, be used in a man under role or rush from the outside.

The 3-5-3 is a zone blitz defense. Some guys run man schemes but most colleges are running zone dog stuff. I ran this defense when I had the right personnel and it was a lot of fun and very effective against the run and has great pass rush possibilities. Would love to see it by the Steelers.

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Jan 15, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Shhhhh

U r absolutely right. I knew someone would pick up on that.

"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)

by PixburghArn on Jan 15, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting

Bmac, Ike, and Troy in the secondary sounds good to me. I’m still not sure I like the idea of Harrison getting pounded with 2 OT’s every play, though. I’d rather match their 6OL formation with a jumbo 4-3 and still blitz one of the LB’s. If they line an extra OT on the left, move Harrison with Woodley to the offensive right and put Hoke out on the left side.

I think they will try to do something like this, though.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 15, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, saw this idea mentioned around game 14 and really like it. Not to mention all the false starts Deebo and the Wood would generate.

by steelguy99 on Jan 15, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh my....

Putting Harrison and Woodley on the same side just doesn’t seem fair. Send ‘em both to Flacco’s blind side and he’ll spend more time looking over his shoulder than down the field. Even if they don’t get through, they’ll cause enough trouble to allow penetration by Smith and the Diesel.

I think Farrior, Foote, and Timmons could pick up the checkdowns, as well as provide decent coverage for short routes.

by Varmint on Jan 15, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Lebeau has shifted Deebo over to woodley’s side a few times this season, though obviously not when we had a 4 d-linemen. I don’t remember what the results have been, other than the one game where there was a false start by the right tackle – classic.

by steelguy99 on Jan 15, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Lots of run blitzes.

Lolley set this up personally – give steelers fans something to do for three days.

by steelguy99 on Jan 15, 2009 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

Reverse to Ward… Ward throws to FWP. TD. We win.

by Danto85 on Jan 15, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

Run the ball, baby, run the ball!!!

by WETSU on Jan 15, 2009 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

I would be interested to see what he says after the game about the game plan, or if he is just blowing smoke out his arse.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Jan 15, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

heath miller

i think he is the key, we have to keep him active in our play selection, it seems to me that when he is getting the ball and picking up first downs, our whole offense clicks better

i dont think reverses are gonna work, especially against Baltimore, they move to the ball so fast you are much more likely to lose yards than catch them off guard for a big gain.

question: if Hines is lined up in the slot where he catches those screens a lot, can he go from that position and catch a pass behind the line of scrimmage and then maybe throw a pass- i dont know if something about that would be illegal or not

also agree with WETSU Run it, Run it, Run it- maybe willie can break their no 100 yd rrusher streak

by indianasteelers on Jan 15, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

I think it would be legal, but almost impossible to pull of. Unless the DB was 15 yards deep he wouldn’t have time to get the pass off or for a reciever to get open.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Jan 15, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Hines pass

Hines can line up in the slot and then step back or motion further off the ball and throw a forward pass. NFL rules only allow a “double pass” if the first pass is backward ie: a lateral. You may have multiple laterals but only one forward pass, regardless whether it crosses the line of scrimmage.

I believe NCAA rules are now the same, NFHS rules allow multiple forward passes as long as only one is beyond the LOS.

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Jan 15, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks

i wasnt for sure if it mattered where he was lined up originally ,if that would have an effect on whether he could catch a backwards pass

by indianasteelers on Jan 15, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we are going to come out

with the “Surprise On-side” kickoff. In any event, it sounds like they are practicing some kind of trick play. I like the aggressive play calling so far. When you have a defense like ours (or the Ravens) the tendency is to play it conservative or to let the defense keep you in the game, like the Ravens have been playing this post season.

    I, for one, like Coach T’s approach. Open it up. Sure, every play call won’t work, but with our defense we can limit failure to either 3 points or no points in most instances. The dedense is like a safety ney for us. This agressive play-calling also keeps opposing defenses on their heels.

    Now that the reverse worked last game, look for the steelers to try a trick play off of a reverse. I just hope there is good protection or the play is “really” tricky as they are usually slow to develop.

by Jonny B. on Jan 15, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

We don’t have a good answer to the unbalanced line.
+
Lebeau is a god.
=
Unbalanced line is destroyed.

by steelguy99 on Jan 15, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

trick plays

It sounds like Lolley is talking about trick plays. I think that we may see a lot of running early, but it seems that the new game plan is hit them hard and take occasional gambles down field. My sense is that will come with long bombs to Nate or Tone (especially if Frank “Loose Lips” Walker is out in coverage) but also with the possible trick play. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some sort of flee-flicker or something cute. We do have to be careful though. That stuff can blow up on you in a hurry. The only good news is that its less likely that someone is taping our practices this year.

by SteelerBuddha on Jan 15, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

Perhaps Unbalanced?

Maybe Arians will use our own unbalanced line and try to run the ball with it. It does make sense because they are tough to run against anyway and play a 3-4 structure. If they can stretch the 3 man front with an extra lineman and 2 TEs, that puts a lot of stress on your normal gap responsibilities – it forces a DB to play as a LB. If your 7th or 8th man is big and his is small, you can get a good push advantage.

Our Heavy package could include McHugh and Davis/Russell plus 6 OL, Miller and Hines. That would make an interesting personnel group. I’d imagine they will have a gadget or reverse type play paired up with any odd ball formation to take advantage of an over-reaction. Wouldn’t it be great to see Ray Lewis getting knocked around?!!

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Jan 15, 2009 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

This was my initial thought, but I really think this is the worst team to run it against if we are just experimenting with it. The ravens defense has been practicing against it all year, and I have the feeling that they would crush a pittsburgh offense using it given that experience.

by steelguy99 on Jan 15, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe so

I agree Bmore is tough and running it would have some chance of failure. However, throwing it in the vicinity of Ed Reed scares me more than anything. Interceptions and fumbles lost will be critical to avoid. Coming out and going in to the red zones this may be a good wrinkle. Also, may help out in the “4 minute offense” if we are up and running out the clock.

I really can’t see the Ravens beating the Steelers if turnovers are equal, providing our recoveries and their’s produce similar results. The Ravens need a defensive score or multiple recoveries in our end to outscore us. Don’t give the game away – take a sack, throw it out of bounds, throw the check down route. Ravens need help to win – look at Tennesee, God – they are kicking themselves.

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Jan 15, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I really like the idea of adding that to the 4 minute offense, especially against a team like this. Good call.

by steelguy99 on Jan 15, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Air it out!

 Maybe the Chargers game was the smokescreen, make them think we intend to run through the playoffs. Maybe they come out no-huddle right from the jump, and try to put up quick scores and make the rat-birds play from behind just like we did in indy and denver in ’06 SB run!

Let's Go!

by jacksteel on Jan 15, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

Wing T

I thing they are working on the old wing t formation, and ae going to run the ball 99 times in the game and bludgeon the Rat Birds to death.LOL.

"Whaddya' mean all the beer is gone..?

by OhioYinzer on Jan 15, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

we’re overlooking direct snaps to ryan clarke in the backfield

by HereWeGo on Jan 15, 2009 3:44 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

More Tricky Dick stuff

Obvious passing downs – Wood, Deebo, Smith, Keisel and Timmons rush. Farrior and Foote underneath looking screen/draw, 4 DBs. Nickel situation – take out Keisel and sub in extra DB – 4 man rush with remaining guys listed.

Offense – FB out, Dixon in, BB at slot w/ Holmes at X, Miller at Y. Shotgun with Dixon at QB and Parker at HB, with Moore at wing on Millers side. A couple run plays, then Moore motions to BB side and blocks, Dixon gives playaction to Parker, throws to BB, BB either throws it to Holmes, Miller or throws back to Dixon on wheel route or screen back to other side of the field!!! TD for either team but would be exciting…. we only do this when up 2 scores in 2nd half…. fun to dream as a playcaller – harder to actually call it.

Watching RayRay explode in a fit of rage afterwards would be great. Even better would be Hines smiling and laughing at him as he jogs onto the field when we go for the 2 pt conversion to rub it in….. Priceless!!

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Jan 15, 2009 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t like bringing in an extra DB and taking Keisel out on obvious passing downs. The ravens have been notorious at running the ball in obvious passing downs, because they would rather punt than have flacco throw it.

McClain: Do you expect me to get a first down?

Steelers: No, Mr McClain, we expect you to die.

I wouldn’t like the substantial dropoff in body mass for a DB vs. our linemen against the ravens.

by steelguy99 on Jan 15, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Copy

They do tend to play it close to the vest but in the 2nd half, down by 6 or more points they will probably throw more often. If we aren’t up by 6 or more in the 4th quarter I may not survive to watch the SuperBowl!!

Playing nickel personnel with 4 rushers still leaves an overload blitz possibility on one side – depending on formation and blocking scheme.

I really don’t like the 2 down, 2 up, four man rush they are playing a lot lately. It looks right on Paper but is often 4 vs 6, sometimes even 7. Harrison gets chipped and held while Woodley gets at least the RT grabbing his shirt plus maybe a shot by the TE.

I want to see 5 or 6 on the blitz if they are going to send guys with the intent of forcing a quick throw or getting a sack.

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Jan 15, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

liked this:
If we aren’t up by 6 or more in the 4th quarter I may not survive to watch the SuperBowl!!

amen, brother

by acrollet on Jan 15, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

for James Bond quote. LOL

by Steelin on Jan 15, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget Heath was an All-State QB in High School

and threw a beautiful TD in College – 20-30 yds. Doubt that is what Lolley is talking about but sure would be fun.

by 703Steeler on Jan 15, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

Would everyone still go

HEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATH!!!!!!!

?

by steelguy99 on Jan 15, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Hokie

Hokie at fullback in short yardage situations. He,s built perfect for it.

by dermonti09 on Jan 15, 2009 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

Love that Guy !!

He is a really good TE. Just needs to add a little wiggle when near the goalline. I almost had a heart attack when he lowered his shoulder at the 2 on the TD pass last week…. had visions of a fumble ala Tenn Titans… Make one little cut and you glance right off the guy into the endzone….

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Jan 15, 2009 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

Any change to the gameplan on offense

would have to be implemented by Tomlin at this point in the season. If you think about it, there was a change in our gameplan last week, as we ran the ball to set up the pass, which is relatively new for this season.

I think that we’ll run the ball to setup the pass, then try to stretch the Ravens out by throwing downfield. I think the key to our offense last week was Ben throwing the ball deep. That kept the safeties back when the ball was snapped, and allowed us to focus our blocking on just the front line of defenders. Also, throwing the ball deep allows for more underneath passing options because the safeties will have to stay honest and not cheat up. I know that Ed Reed is the best deep coverage safety in the league, but with Jim Leonhard blitzing as much as he has been, I think looking downfield will force him to stay back, and open up more room to run, and throw underneath.

by NoCal-SteelCity on Jan 15, 2009 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

Deep pass

I like the deep pass vs their corners but away from Reed’s side. They need to formation to get Reed well outside the hash mark and throw opposite fade, stop & go or skinny post.

Did you see Reed pick the ball on an In or Post from the opposite hash vs Miami? That was friggin ridiculous… the guy obviously watches lots of tape and has great instinct. Absolute ball hawk and comfortable returning it. We don’t have anybody close to him except for a healthy Troy – but his hands aren’t as good.

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Jan 15, 2009 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

Compare that to Ike last week trying to catch the long bomb late in the game (that’s about as much as I remember), he just stuck his hands out there and missed it by about two yards. It made me chuckle, but it would have been great to see Ike at least try to hunt down an interception.

Brandona

by PrimantisStillersNAt on Jan 16, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Game plan

1. Have a fullback (McHugh)
2. 50% of the time, run counters opposite of where the fullback blocks. Will take advantage of the over aggressive nature of Ray Ray and make him a step slow during traditional lead plays.
3. HEATH! Run down the seam and dare Ray Ray to cover. If Reed comes to help this will free up the deep ball, if not, Heath has his best day as a pro in the playoffs.
4. FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY……DO NOT THROW WHERE EVER REED IS PLAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we do not turn it over on our side of the field we should be in Tampa in two weeks. Go Steelers!

I wasn't hired for my disposition!

by Burgernazi on Jan 16, 2009 8:25 AM EST reply actions  

#2

Not always by design though. That’s one of the advantages of a lead back. The linebackers start to commit before the RB gets to the hole. This allows for natural cutbacks. I saw this many times against the chargers. McHugh would hit the hole and willie would be right behind, see the linebackers commit and Willie would cut it back for 5 yards. But if McHugh hits the hole and the linebackers are holding their ground then Willie follows right behind gaining yards yet again.

Man I love the I formation.

by Chicago Steeler on Jan 16, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

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